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AU better without 'intimidating' Gaddafi - Zuma

2011-10-13 22:44

Pretoria - The African Union will work better without Libya's ousted leader Muammar Gaddafi, who repeatedly tried to convince members to form a pan-African government, President Jacob Zuma said on Thursday.

"The African Union will have more time to implement its programmes now, because Colonel Gaddafi spent a lot of time discussing a unity government for Africa that was impossible to implement now," Zuma said in a foreign policy speech.

"He was in a hurry for this, possibly because he wanted to head it up himself," Zuma added.

"I had arguments with him about it several times. The African Union will work better now without his delaying it and with some members no longer feeling as intimidated by him as they did."

The self-styled "king of kings" had campaigned aggressively for the continent's then 53 members to form a United States of Africa, and even built a sprawling complex in his hometown of Sirte where hoped the new government would be based.

Zuma's government had a complex relationship with Gaddafi and with his ousting.

The colonel had been an ally of Zuma's ANC when the party was still a liberation movement.

But South Africa voted for a UN resolution that imposed a no-fly zone over Libya when Gaddafi started bombing rebels who revolted against his 42-year-rule.

Later Zuma accused Nato of over-stepping its mandate with airstrikes aimed at protecting civilians and of blocking AU peace initiatives.

"As the AU, we felt our work was being undermined, especially in the case of Libya," he said in the speech. "The AU was not given space to implement its roadmap and to ensure an African solution to the Libyan question."

"The people of Libya must determine their own future, in a Libyan-led political solution, supported by the African Union and the United Nations."

On September 20, South Africa finally recognised the National Transitional Council (NTC) as Libya's legitimate representative and is urging it to form an all-inclusive government.

Comments
  • mpiyakhe.dhlamini - 2011-10-13 22:58

    gadhaffi no longer in power,zuma can finally feel free to speak.the bully is gone.

      Brenton007 - 2011-10-14 06:35

      As long as what he has to say does not offend the Chinese!

      Garth - 2011-10-14 07:11

      `And they all rejoiced at the passing of the `king', moving quickly to support the new; like fleas leaving a dying dog . . .'

      Dirk - 2011-10-14 07:59

      This is an excellent example of a political cameleon. JZ, you now belong to an exclusive "club" chaired by "Kortbroek" V Schalkwyk, and fellow conspiritors, Messrs Botha, Meyer and Wessels

      Fakmore - 2011-10-14 08:01

      This is the most cowardly thing ever said by Zuma. He forgets that a few years ago he (Zuma) was beiing hunted like a rat...escaped prison by a whisker...and now that he is President...he forgets what it is like to be persecuted. "Why are we entertainning this sex-crazed vile baffoon" - UK Daily Mail

      Ryan - 2011-10-14 12:22

      shows how weak and inept Zuma is that he would feel intimidated by another african president

      mpiyakhe.dhlamini - 2011-10-14 17:44

      @ryan,especially since he is the president of africa's supposed superpower.at least it explains a lot with respect to the dalai lama

  • Heinrich - 2011-10-13 23:03

    Interesting. I suppose Gaddafi also prevented the AU from sorting out Zimbabwe, Swaziland, Ivory Coast, Rwanda, Sudan, Somalia...what a wicked guy he was. Especially now that he stopped giving us money.

      zaatheist - 2011-10-14 05:11

      Great Comment

  • Francois - 2011-10-13 23:17

    Hey pres Zuma, how long did you have to implement the road map? Was is not 41 years? What is your road map for Zim? Do you also feel intimidated across the border or are the showers good and the taxis cheap? You are either stupid as can be derived from your comments, or you are without morals or you think we are stupid that we will believe this story you are spinning. Get your brain together and start working on democracy and basic human rights, for the learners in SA held hostage by Cosatu, for the Matabele in Zim, for the freedom fighters in Libya, for the election winners in other countries - you hypocrite.

      TheRock - 2011-10-14 06:55

      A few months ago Zuma was saying that the solution has to include Gaddafi and his family. His stance was hat there can be no solution without Gaddafi being a part of it. What happened to that? Zuma you cockroach, you should be ashamed of yourself. You're a thieving scmbag!!

      sean.redmond3 - 2011-10-14 07:44

      They could not implement a roadmap, they had no GPS. Zuma was poepbang of Gadaffi.

  • John - 2011-10-13 23:18

    Zoomer in full flight doing his back-stabbing shuffle like a pro. I spent a insightful evening in the presence of Wouter Basson where he told us that he was tasked to deliver money from Gaddafi to Zoomer while he was hiding his useless carcass in exile. The demands he had was nothing less than pathetic and Gaddafi always responded to his whining. Just shows us once again .... biting the hand that fed him is a run of the mill exercise for Zoomer and his cronies. And then there are still people willing to risk life and limb trying to do business with these idiots. I despise Gaddafi but I must imagine he has some choice words reserved for this snake!

      Francois - 2011-10-14 11:23

      Proof this.

  • marco.tomaso - 2011-10-13 23:56

    Intimidating was his thing no doubt about that.And here's why and how: Gaddafi financed the African Bank and the continent's wide telecommunications system,which allowed African Nations to bypass Western-controlled networks like the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.And to be at their,the Word Bank and IMF's tender mercies when it came to borrowing money and paying back their debts.Gaddafi wanted to be leader of a "United States of Africa",because he poured so many billions of Libyan funds into the African continent.Gaddafi at one time also wanted a new single currency for Africa which could be used instead of the US dollar or the Euro. Ellen Brown,an attorney and president of the Public Banking Institute,and writer of the book The Web of Debt once wrote:"Gaddafi initiated a movement to refuse the dollar and the euro,and called on Arab and African nations to use a new currency instead,the GOLD DINAR. Gaddafi suggested establishing a united African continent,with its 200 million people using this single currency.During the past year,the idea was approved by many Arab countries and most African countries.The only opponents to this were the Republic of South Africa and the head of the League of Arab States.The initiative was viewed negatively by the USA and the European Union,with French president Nicolas Sarkozy calling Libya a threat to the financial security of mankind." Thank goodness the lunatic is gone from power forever more!

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-10-14 08:48

      So shouldn't Africans be looking to have their own institution. Should Africa be always dependent on the whims of Europeans. Your whole post would have been a positive development for Africa and then you proceed to shoot it down in your last sentence. Should Africa be always dependent on the west and its institutions?

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-10-14 10:12

      Why a little bit, why not fool independence. Are with that hopeless that we will forever be dependent on the west. There can always be co-operation on our own terms. I am not advocating cutting off ties with the west. It is the dependence on the west's financial institutions that keep Africa in its current subservient position. Most African leaders cannot do anything beneficial for their countries without the fear of upsetting their western benefactors, whose objective is to keep Africa where it is, as this makes it easier for western countries to exploit her.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-10-14 10:22

      @Lacoste "Gaddafi financed the African Bank and the continent's wide telecommunications system,which allowed African Nations to bypass Western-controlled networks like the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund.And to be at their,the Word Bank and IMF's tender mercies when it came to borrowing money and paying back their debts." What does this say to you, should Africa be always at the mercy of Europeans.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-10-14 10:52

      I suggest you read "Unholy Trinity" by Prof. John Peet to see how these organisation(IMF, WorldBank, WTO) were formed and what their objectives are. Nothing to do helping developing countries. How about "Confessions Of an Economic Hit Man" by John Perkins to understand the history of aid organisation like the Peace Corps or USAID. Have a look at Stephen Brown's Authoritarian leaders and multiparty elections in Africa: how foreign donors help to keep Kenya’s Daniel arap Moi in power. Scroll down to the fun bit at p. 734, where he details how the UK helped Moi steal the 1997 election. Gaddafi's Libya was the only truelly independent country in Africa not tied to any of the western institutions, and that my friend is the reason western vampires had to get rid of him, he put many of their institutions out of business in this continent. Wise UP!!!!!!!!!

      Aijaman - 2011-10-14 12:35

      Marco I really wish u did not include your last sentence...

      Michael McN - 2011-10-14 17:17

      Now that Gadhafy is out of the picture, what is Africa's excuse for not achieving the many wise goals he articulated? The fact is neither the West nor the East could push you around if you could work together and combine your economic might for the common good. The fact is you could marshal your vast resources and plethora of experiences to be the continent that really matters if you so chose. Who knows? Perhaps an era of African hegemony would be good for the world! What is certain is it will not happen if you don't try. What is true is if you choose to remain divided and focus on your petty differences, your pettiness and divisiveness will come to define you and be used to defeat you. Just being honest. Greetings from America.

  • Michael - 2011-10-14 02:14

    yet they were opposed to the new government

  • mokgadiathole - 2011-10-14 05:04

    Zuma he is sick man, we know which agendas he is pushing for, but I know there is nothing bigger than the truth mugabe was righ when he said “The same President Zuma who voted for the bombardment of Libya is now speaking out against the use of military force by the United States, Britain, France and their allies. His ludicrous stance has left political scientists scratching their heads in puzzlement. Does South Africa have a foreign policy at all or has the ANC entered the era of Mickey Mouse posturing?” and today he is saying such things...shame on you puppet president.

  • Mart - 2011-10-14 05:23

    Zuma is contradicting his earlier foreign policy statements and his support for Gaddaffi. I trust anything that Zuma says as readily as I would try to pick up an angry black mamba ! He is a wanker!

      czovczov - 2011-10-14 06:28

      Zuma is a master of flip flop policy.

      Grant - 2011-10-14 08:32

      With 5 wives and counting, I doubt if Zuma has much time for wanking :-)

  • rlong1952 - 2011-10-14 05:50

    Change his tune, hasn't he? Ha ha what an idiot, one minute he is defending his criminal friend and the next he turns his back on him, typical. What an excuse we have for a President. Time for a replacement.

  • Andre - 2011-10-14 06:01

    First he backs Gaddafi, then he agrees to Nato intervention, then he complains about Nato intervention, then China recognises the NTC, then he recognises the NTC. Now he thinks Gaddafi is a bad guy. Spineless leadership, always trying to make the popular choice!

  • roets.nico - 2011-10-14 06:23

    "Itimidating"?? Ha ha ha.... Read "paying off and bribing the greedy bastards"

  • Bennie - 2011-10-14 06:33

    does this sub saharan velcro crested walletsnatcher not have a spine??

      Burtfred - 2011-10-14 06:52

      Last time I looked he had no velcro on his head, just a shower head.

  • TheRock - 2011-10-14 06:46

    Intimidated by Gaddafi? Jeez, are these idiots for real? Why would they feel intimiated? No balls perhaps? Looking for handouts? Lack of principles? I really hope the new Libya distances itself from the AU and it's member countries. These people like JZ, Mugabe aren't even a leader's ass!! The West must take note of what JZ really is about. Skelm two faced bastard!!

  • Mtizozo - 2011-10-14 07:08

    There is time to come and there is time to go,,

      John - 2011-10-14 07:19

      And if we are to survive in this country, the time for Zoomer and his merry band of thieves is NOW!

  • Jerhone - 2011-10-14 07:30

    what a two faced spineless snake,next he will be telling us that Mao does not have his hand up his (Zumas)arse operating him like a puppet

  • Koos - 2011-10-14 07:37

    Like jackals....the cowards (Zuma included) circle as their comrade lies on the ground.

  • Bulumko - 2011-10-14 07:42

    You have just been Zuma(ed)....LoL....Idiot of a President.Why couldn't you just have shut up and STOP singing in the shower !!!

  • Nxumalo - 2011-10-14 08:15

    A wise man always changes his mind! Zuma has seen something some of us are nor privvy to. Come on Zuma lead us wherever you want even to the shower or the dungeon and when we crash we shall bless you!lol!

  • cliff.slabbert - 2011-10-14 08:15

    Blah Blah Blah zooma!!!!!!!

  • Mthuthuzeli - 2011-10-14 08:34

    Shame on the lazy, greedy and corrupt African elites who see the ousting of Gaddafi as an opportunity to skim off more aid money from their foreign handlers and do nothing to help their people. A bunch of fools who fail to provide any part of their responsibilities to their people. Creating Pan African financial institutions is what it means to finally throw off the yoke of colonialism and imperialism, and that is what Libya dared to do under the leadership of Muammar Qaddafi. And Qaddafi dared to extend this vision to the entire African continent. In the words of the Afrocentric intellectual warrior, Dr Molefi Kete Asante: “The work of the Brother Leader, as he is sometimes called, has been to raise African consciousness to the point that some of the nations on the continent of Africa begin to reject the loyalty they hold for their colonial masters…Qaddafi has proposed that Africa do away with travel restrictions, create a common currency and ease trade tariffs and barriers. This African solidarity is not only a threat to the West – some who identify as Arabs have a difficult time accepting the Africanity promoted by Qaddafi.” But then the relationship between a master and a slave is never easy. It reminds me of the complex sexual relations between Romans and their slaves, which I'm tempted to reveal in marvelous detail, but I'll refrain.

      Aijaman - 2011-10-14 12:49

      Mthura mfethu u spot on ma brother...Abantu are soo sooo narrow minded. They think these donations do us good..We dnt want donations we want economic freedom...Economic freedom means hunger to the West. They will never ever allow Africa to be hence they manipulated Libyan people..West would rather donate than allowing africans to be free and ezizimuncu zamangamla got a total different African policy but they call themselfs Africans...Why their African policy favouring some-1 who has been opressing Africans?Why? Siphinde sibenoZuma...Waza lopresident eliya..All those who voted Zuma in Polokwane I guess they see why Mbeki never wanted this palooka to become president...

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-10-14 14:29

      I am not afraid to call our white counterparts in this country western agents, their loyalty is to their pay masters and their continent. Africa, even the anc will never achieve anything whilst still listen to these people. I wanted to say something more but eloquence and anger rarely meet. More later when i can be at least semi coherent.

  • Ephraim - 2011-10-14 08:44

    Zuma has a point nw,hope for the best for libyain people and we can nw start a cleaning process in zimbabwe!!!!!!!

  • Grant - 2011-10-14 08:56

    Zuma speaks of an 'African solution'. Tell me, what problem has the AU or its predecessor the OAU ever solved? Think of Rwanda, Congo, Sudan, Angola, Zimbabwe etc. If it had not been for Europe and the US southern Africa would still be ruled by whites.

      Mthuthuzeli - 2011-10-14 10:35

      Are you one of those working class racist Brits who emigrated in the 70s to South Africa to live the good life and surround themselves with badly paid servants? Are you nostalgic for Aparthied?

  • Sidima - 2011-10-14 08:57

    Oh please MR President. You were supporting the UN when in their presence and then support Gaddafi when chilling with him. You were pressured into voting againt the dictator (going with majority without vetting the facts behind the resolution). Everyone else knew there was doing to be bombings as Libya was going to violate the resolution. You're fel guilty now coz you didnt take your usual "on the fence" stance. You must be recalled. you've failled us...!!

  • Deon - 2011-10-14 09:14

    "Brother leader" is no more your pal since he was cut off from his money. You speak with a forked tongue.

  • Nxumalo - 2011-10-14 15:23

    I hate to say this but it is true that the AU is a circus and was doomed to fail from the beginning. I have some Arabic friends from Sudan and Egypt and they do not want to be called Aricans. Now the NTC in Libya is dealing harshly with black Africans calling all blacks mercenaries. Africans must rise up this AU thing will never work. It is a waste of resources and Zuma and co. are just being delusional. Anyway what can you expect from these leaders....sums up the African situation.

  • Astraea - 2011-10-14 16:14

    I have lost respect for Zuma. I am sorry that South Africa voted for that "no fly zone" because it has meant the destruction of another beautiful country. I thought Zuma was a wise man when he refused to meet that Michelle Obama - but I am disappointed in him. Lybia seems to have been doing very well indeed until NATO went in there. What did they want most? Lybia's gold or her oil or her water - or did they just want to destroy another flourishing happy country where the People each and every one an income from the oil paid into their banks accounts monthly, free and excellent medical care, free and excellent education home or abroad if necessary, a freehold house for each and every Lybian on their maturity. ???

  • awofaa - 2012-08-01 13:25

    Idiotic Africans leaders, Gadaffi wanted the unity of AFRICA, you guys are puppets, look at the AFRICAN COUNTRIES AND TELL ONE COUNTRY THAT THE WEST DOESN'T CONTROL..colonial mentality..

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