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Libya rebels ask for extra arms

2011-07-21 08:58

Benghazi - Libya's rebels asked France for extra arms to help them overrun Tripoli within "days", as they ramped up a pre-Ramadan offensive that has Muammar Gaddafi’s troops on the run in the east.

The request was made in Paris on Wednesday to French President Nicolas Sarkozy by military leaders from the rebel-held city of Misrata, a member of their delegation said.

Sarkozy held talks at his Elysee presidential palace with rebel General Ramadan Zarmuh, Colonel Ahmed Hashem and Colonel Brahim Betal Mal, as well as Suleiman Fortia, a local representative of the rebel leadership in Misrata.

"With a little bit of help, we will be in Tripoli very soon. Very soon means days," Fortia told reporters after the meeting. "We are here in France to discuss how we can do the job."

France is taking part in Nato-co-ordinated strikes against Gaddafi’s military assets and was the first outside state to formally recognise the rebels' Transitional National Council.

It has already dropped arms to the rebels in the Nafusa Mountains, southwest of Tripoli, to help them defend themselves against Gaddafi’s forces. A rebel source said they were looking for similar deliveries of arms and munitions to Misrata.

"Insurgent commanders came to explain to the head of state that the keys to Tripoli are in Misrata," said a supporter of the rebels, French writer Bernard-Henri Levy, who attended the talks.

"Misrata's fighters are disciplined, battle hardened and they have a key asset: a military victory already won" against loyalist forces, Levy told AFP after the meeting.

Misrata, around 200km east of Tripoli, has been controlled by rebels since mid-May, after a two-month siege by Gaddafi forces.

Fresh offensive

French Defence Minister Gerard Longuet said Gaddafi is losing control of crucial energy supplies as the rebels advance in the key eastern oil town of Brega, in Misrata and in the Nafusa mountains.

White House spokesperson Jay Carney said the Libyan strongman was "cut off from fuel and cash".

Rebels claim to have chased the bulk of Gaddafi’s eastern army from Brega while encircling loyalists holed up among oil installations in the northwest of the town.

As part of what now appears to be a countrywide effort to tighten the noose on Gaddafi before the Muslim fasting month of Ramadan begins around August 01, insurgents in the west said they were awaiting orders to start a fresh offensive from the Nafusa Mountains southwest of the capital.

During Ramadan, the endurance of even the hardiest volunteers will be tested by desert battle without food and water during the daytime fast observed by the faithful.

But at Brega, rebel gains were stymied by vast quantities of anti-personnel mines planted by retreating loyalists and the difficulties in attacking an estimated 200 Gaddafi troops fighting from positions near vital petrochemical facilities.

That difficulty was laid bare late on Tuesday, when 24 rebel fighters died. It was by far the rebels' bloodiest day since the battle for Brega began almost a week ago.

A rebel military source said many of the casualties came when troops closing on isolated Gaddafi forces were hit by a line-guided rocket attack.

Outside the town, rebel troops cleared minefields holding up their advance, while trying to dislodge Gaddafi’s artillery to the west.

Libya's government has denied the rebels retook Brega. The rebels said Gaddafi troops inside the town were largely conscripts and volunteers who were surrounded.

A good time

On the front line of the western desert hamlet Gualish, the rebels waited patiently in the shade until the next battle as Ramadan approaches and the searing summer sun grows more intense.

"We are preparing for the battle. We hope [it will take place], God willing, before Ramadan," or just after, said rebel commander Mokhtar Lakhdar.

"If there is fighting during Ramadan, we will fight as usual. We will not stop until we have liberated Libya," he said in Gualish, where the mercury hit 45 degrees Celsius on Wednesday.

Lakhdar said the rebels were waiting for the green light from their headquarters in the eastern city of Benghazi.

Around him young rebels debated fighting during the fasting month.

"During Ramadan, it will be harder but, God willing, we will not be weakened but rather be stronger. Ramadan is a good time to be a martyr," said Shaban Aabor, 38.

The next rebel target is Asabah, 80km south of Tripoli and the last barrier between rebels and the garrison town of Gharyan.

France meanwhile accepted Wednesday that Gaddafi could stay in Libya if he quits politics under a ceasefire deal, but the United States said it was for Libyans to decide.

Gaddafi’s foreign minister, Abdelati al-Obeidi, said after talks in Moscow that the Libyan leader's "departure is not up for negotiation".

Comments
  • Muenda - 2011-07-21 09:15

    France: Thugs period. Over stepping what was agreed upon as usual. France alone can never defeat Libya.

      Gandalf - 2011-07-21 09:36

      And you know this just because you claim to have worked in Foreign Affairs?

      Anton - 2011-07-21 10:05

      Is it not great , that there are some countries in this world, that don't only have the means, but also the will, to help others to overthrow a murderes thug and his murderes and corrupt kids. But it won't be France who will get rid of this tyrant, It will be the people of Libya. For 41 years there has been resistance to this guy, and for 41 years, and for 41 years there had been a brutal crackdown on the ones who opposed Gaddafi and Sons. But these brave Libyans won't let go this time, untill they got what they demand; The end of terror by Gaddafi and Sons. And all these supporters of dictators/tyrants/war criminals, you can come up with the most dumb, stupid stories; The end of your hero is near!!!! So start looking for other means to show your racism, and hatred !!!!

      Morne Loubser - 2011-07-21 10:15

      Dude..France alone doesn't have to. It sounds like the 'rebels' are doing a good job of it as is

      Illuminated - 2011-07-21 10:21

      Anton you talk such rubbish... Libya is one of the most independent countries in the world... they dont need anything from anyone which makes them dangerous to Western interests who feed off the dispair of others.. in 40 years Gaddafi turn a completely bankrupt country into a debt free, prosperous country that offers free eduction, free healthcare, free farmland to farm, subsidized housing, interest free loans, almost zero unemployment where everyone looks after themselves.. Gaddafi didnt want to be paid in dollars anymore for oil and the currency is worthless and wouldnt be corrupted and bribed by western snakes.. everything i have said is fact and can be found on the internet but as usual everyone doesnt think or research anything for themselves, they just recite the propaganda and lies they see on CNN or BBC or any other American and British controlled media as if its their own fantastic knowledge of politics... and when all else fails pull the race card... free will is SO easy to manipulate when no-one can think for themselves...

      DeonL - 2011-07-21 12:31

      I agree with Anton. Gaddafi took over by force in 1969 and never held any elections. We need to get rid of all dictators in the world, even if they did good in theire countries. He was never supposed to be the leader, but stole it. We would also not accept Gatcha Buthelizi as our leader if he would take over the country by force, would we?

      Anton - 2011-07-21 19:45

      Any supporter of THUGS , getting bored with Libya ?? Hop over to Malawi, and you can start supporting Bingu !!

      slg - 2011-07-22 01:52

      The orders to harm civilians comes from Gadhafi and his sons. They should be given 48 hours to surrender.

      slg - 2011-08-01 05:12

      Muenda, do you not want Libyans to have the right to vote? Did you like not having this right under Apartheid?

      Bowhunter - 2011-08-01 08:45

      @illuminated - like the internet is free of misinformation and counter intelligence, being spread by those who want you to tell "the other side" of the story...

  • vince muller - 2011-07-21 09:56

    Go rebels go! Another government alliance r sinking. And Muenda, shame also previously brainless disadvantaged. You got no idee what is going on in the world. Most probably working for the government, who all think tey r so powerfull. South Africa like Libya is in world terms not even a military factor. Go and do some study on how far ahead France is military wise to our 3rd world countries. It's scary that a uninformed idiot like you can make such a statement. Like the rest of the world we're just laughing at you.

      Morne Loubser - 2011-07-21 10:16

      Agreed! The problem here is that people like Muenda see's black vs white! Get over it people! There is more to life than that!

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 10:30

      The only unintelligance person here is you. Give me an example that Western military intervention has turned out well and that country now is a democratic state and people are happy and prosperous. People need to understand that national military troops and national caches of weapons don't exist to protect the people. They exist to protect the assets of the wealthy and to attack people in other countries to loot their wealth. Only idiots believe the military attack on Libya is to support the uprising against Gaddafi. George Orwell perfectly described the future of the world: endless War waged by the superpowers.

      daaivark - 2011-07-21 10:30

      WELL SAID MORNE.

      DeonL - 2011-07-21 12:38

      Kunta-Kinte 1) France, Germany, Italy and Japan after 2nd world war 2) Equator Guinee 3) Iraq does not invade other countries anymore

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 20:39

      According to your pea brain, Iraq is a success? How about Kosovo, Afghanistan,etc. Are these also successes?

      slg - 2011-08-01 05:10

      Junta, but then you do not believe citizens of a country should have the right to vote.

  • spacecowboy - 2011-07-21 10:00

    WINNING!

      daaivark - 2011-07-21 12:39

      Learn a few more words, Cowboy.

  • Blaq - 2011-07-21 10:06

    bloody agents, what nexts South Africa

  • Bill - 2011-07-21 10:07

    Give them what they need! Lets get this saga over with!

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 10:34

      NATO's military intervention and subsequent refusal to agree a ceasefire is prolonging the conflict and causing more civilian deaths in contradiction to the stated aims of resolution 1973. In the end there will have to be a political settlement - by emerging as the military victor, NATO intends to shape the terms of that settlement to suit Western interests at the expense of Libyans. Solution to the murderous bombing by NATO: 1) ceasefire, 2) international monitoring of ceasefire, 3) transitional government, then 4) elections. Tripoli is more than ready for such. So why aren't the Benghazi vigilantes and their feudal flag-flying supporters not enthusiastic about such? Easy answer: They know they will lose. Tripoli and the Fezzan constitute some 75% of the population of Libya That's where the bulk of Gaddafi's support lies.

      slg - 2011-08-01 05:11

      Kunta, this is about the right of Libyans to vote. They're being denied this right under Gadhafi.

  • Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 10:22

    France is acting against the UN Charter, but as it is enforcing one mandate but possibly contradicting another, which arguably it supersedes, no country can act against France per Article 2.5; and even if they did, France could wield its veto... in short the law is an ass. Did France or NATO notify Ban Ki Moon? If not, this appears to be a clear breach. The Three Stooges...usa uk france leaders, whom are failing in their own countries to provide and protect their citizens are raping a number one country of Africa, all in the name of Freedom & Democracy, which no one in the usa uk or france have as most of their citizens would vote NO for war...

      Anton - 2011-07-21 11:41

      Kunte-Kinte, You mention the UN Charter ! Let me mention to you, a Charter closer to home; The AU Charter Objectives; 3) PROMOTE THE HOLDING OF FREE AND FAIR ELECTIONS, TO INSTITUTIONALIZE LEGITIMATE AUTHORITY OF REPRESENTATIVE GOVERNMENT , AS WELL AS DEMOCRATIC CHANGE OF GOVERNMENT But, as supporters of dictators are very good at; This does not apply to this thug in Tripoli!!!!!!!!!

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 12:02

      I support the right of the Libyan people to self-determine their own future and by Libyan people, I mean all Libyans, not just the rebels. Forcing Libyans to accept the rebels through bombs and embargos is not democracy. One cannot speed up historical democratization processes by bombs and intimidation. However NATO/EU wouldn't get their man elected if it was fair and free. Democracy can't be imposed from outside, it has to grow from within, you can support peoples efforts but you cannot create a democracy for them by boming the life out of them. The sad thing is that Iraq has lessened the wset's ability to support democratic aspirations.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 12:08

      Further more, so far, experiments in more advanced democracies, serving the interests of the poorer majority rather than the richer minority, have never been allowed to blossom. The people who run and apologise for this pseudo-democracy, whose main achievements are inequality and corporate propaganda, despise real democracy. Democracy cannot be evaluated without considering historical factors and events. The forces of darkness and sadistic killers in Iraq, Libya and Afghanistan cannot compromise with your politically correct solution. They embrace death while democracy embraces life and freedom. There are only two kinds of societies: - ones where money is abundant enough to buy political power, so the rich are the real elites - ones where money is scarce, and the "movers and shakers" need political power to be able to get it, so elites are the ones closest to the government. Governments sign up to, and always have to deliver some kind of social contract, namely justice and protection (e.g. from foreign invasion). Justice can go as far as attempting to provide social fairness (more socialist), while protection can go as far as protecting "the unalienable rights" to exploit others without limitations (unfettered capitalism), or to kill them at will ("freedom to bear arms).

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 12:12

      The more subtle question is whether one mode of democracy is suitable for all societies everywhere. On the one hand, it is right to tailor a democracy to reflect contexts such as gender relations, subnational entities, societal structures (the role of tribes and families), as well as ethnic make-up. One-person-one-vote happening once is not democracy. Nothing is good for everyone. As a negotiated human construction, democracy is no panacea. It is a system made within the context of history and the diversity of human identities. It is not one institutional form, or a single set of processes. There are, have been, and can be as many forms of democracy as people need to deliver the reality of human dignity and well-being to all. The most undemocratic thing is to assume you have the complete answer and insist everyone else does democracy your way. This neo-con conceit is inherently totalitarian. "World on Fire" by Amy Chua is a really good book.....with disturbing implications for the possibility of democracy in many countries.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 12:19

      Governing by majority creates minorities - whose interests are then more often than not underserved. And when you combine democracy with capitalism, the resulting governmental stew becomes an economy of haves and have-nots. Democracy cannot be the process of choosing a politician on the grounds that they are the least distasteful of the two (ANC or DA) major parties on offer. That is not democracy; that is the Coke-Pepsi challenge. Why does any form of governance have be compatible with some invented principles of the west, that have no connection to reality and can't be implemented to serve people, only to the elites, same as marxism.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 12:26

      The hegemonic ruling class has decided that democracy is just an electocratic system to be used as an alibi for this class to impose its rule. Democracy is a valued notion but fundamentally impossible in modern societies. I think that the sooner we rid ourselves of the democratic pretense, the better. In a representative democracy, people are theoretically sovereign. But once they elect representatives, the people retain their sovereignty only in a passive sense until the next election. Democracy in it's current format does not equate to freedom but merely majorityism. It will never work out and we don't even need it. People can only have a competent positive effect on things that are within their reality and everyday experience. 10-20 senior cabinet ministers Lording it over 60 million people is a nonsense.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 12:29

      Trust the people within regional manageable spheres to look after their own best interests. Central government should stick to manageable tasks like national defense, bit of tax collection to maintain motorways, some very basic legislation to ensure some level of minimum standards and little more than that. You don't need monolith corporate/political structures to further the evolution of humanity. People will together as and when needed in dynamic networks to complete any task we set ourselves. It happens all the time online. And that's because the internet is 'free' and reality isn't. Either that or make me world president for life and I promise I'll fix everything!

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 12:49

      What if Libya already has a kind of democracy, one which isn't based on the party system of Europe and allows only individual candidates to stand for election, not political parties? One, furthermore, that is based on tribal councils who are liable to support sharia law and political islam? Should the west force their own parliamentary-style (secular and pro-capitalist) so-called democracy on the Libyians; a system where corrupt political parties representing no-one but themeselves get to power and push through unpopular policies in complete disregard to what most of the electorate would want (if they weren't so misinformed)? Local culture and local justice doesn't mean that there's no social justice in Libya. Do you know what is the process of making decisions in Libya? If you don't, allow me to try to explain. Libyans are divided into tribes, every tribe have local councils, and every tribeman have right to speak and give proposals in that councils. After that, there is something like mutual commission between tribes, where heads of those tribes discuss and make final, their agreements (to accept something or not). Well, sound similar to something that is institutionalized in the developed countries, and called democracy? It may not fit the western view of what democracy should look like, and it may be far from perfect but western democracy is a mirage. The people have no power whatsoever.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 12:55

      In the Green Book, Muammar Qaddafi has this to say: “Political struggle which culminates in the victory of a candidate obtaining 51 percent of the total votes of the electorate, establishes a dictatorship in the seat of power garbed in the guise of democracy. It is in fact, a dictatorship because 49 percent of the electorate would then be governed by an instrument of government they did not vote for, and which has been imposed upon them. This is the essence of dictatorship…under such systems the people are the victims whose votes are vied for by exploitative competing factions, who dupe the people into political circuses that are outwardly noisy and frantic, but inwardly powerless and irrelevant.” I have read the Green Book to understand this brave leader. The west or Asians can have whatever political system they choose. The point is, so can we as Africans. This is what we are fighting for – our inalienable right to self-determination – to freely decide our own destiny. That is what it means to finally throw off the yoke of colonialism and imperialism, and that is what Libya dared to do under the leadership of Muammar Qaddafi. And Qaddafi dared to extend this vision to the entire African continent.

      Anton - 2011-07-21 16:28

      Kunte-Kinte, You are the lighter side of politics, as you are actually funny and entertaining!! I would not do this for free, but I would write some cheap political conspiracy novels, and make a bit of extra cash. There are enough gullible supporters of dictators in SA , to sell at the very least 20 to 30 of your books. If I may ask, do you read all this crap yourself, or do you just copy it ??? Someone got cross yesterday, and told me this was a constructive debate!!!!!!!! Yeaaaaaaaaa, go and tell this to a grade 6 pupil ! ps, I want at least 4 thumbs down from some racists, otherwise i will be soooo dissapointed.

      Anton - 2011-07-21 16:52

      Kunte-Kinte, When you say ,, the ANC and the DA,, are like the coke-pepsi challenge,, just between you and me, you are having us on, are you not ???????? You are playing silly little games with us ????? I wish I could call you a radical, now THAT would be a challenge. But you are just mocking us, and not only the ones that support freedom for Africans, but even the supporters of this terrorist. You make fun of us. And you just play ,,radical,, But in any case, radicalism has no place in SA. Just to remind you, we do have free and fair elections in SA. The PAC and Azapo, and a few more parties on the left, made no impact in all the elections we have had. They, in most wards/seats they contested, lost their deposits. I had actually wondered where these few radicals had ended up. Now I know........ here at News24.com. What they could not achieve through democratic ways, they will now try to shove their dumb stu[id believes down our throats with endless comments that are full of crap and totally useless info.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 17:14

      Can we stick to the point at debate here, rather than throwing pointless obstacles in the way to obscure it. If you don't like my facts, put up your own. If you don't like my arguments, dazzle us with your counterarguments. Please answer this: Should the west force their own parliamentary-style (secular and pro-capitalist) so-called democracy on the Libyians; a system where corrupt political parties representing no-one but themeselves get to power and push through unpopular policies in complete disregard to what most of the electorate would want (if they weren't so misinformed)? Why does any form of governance have be compatible with some invented principles of the west, that have no connection to reality and can't be implemented to serve people, only to the elites, same as marxism. So Anton, do entertain us, instead of calling names, argue some FACTS, and try to convince us that Western "tutelage" is somehow good for Africa, and why the Africans should continue to say "how high" when told by their Western ex-masters to jump. If that's the best you can do you better go and crawl back under the neo cons skirts where you belong, you are clueless.

      Anton - 2011-07-21 18:40

      Kunte-Kinte, No, I have no intention to read all those comments, as they are more than likely the same old claptrap, as all those others you bore us with. With all these endless comments you make on this site, you must believe that you have an important contribution to make to a discussion re the development of Africa. But I am sorry to deflate your ego, there is not the slightest doubt in my mind, that by far the majority of Africans, right throughout this continent, are not radical at all, and have no interest at all in your views. Your views are on a par with those of Azapo and to an extend of the PAC. Well , we have seen in South Africa, what kind of support they have managed to get. In a country with over 21 million eligible voters, their support is measured , only in thousands............. So, go ahead, entertain a few others , with simular views as you, with this crap. But your views are on this continent, Totally Irrelevant !!!

      slg - 2011-08-01 05:14

      Kunta, that's all very well except the new generation of Libyans are demanding the right to vote for their leaders. It's a basic human right.

  • Bernhard Rohrbeck - 2011-07-21 10:57

    No wonder the Us is bankrupt. Spending each and every year at least 700.000.000.000 for war, is way too much. Similar bankrupt is the Eu, financially and morally with it's imbecile "leaders". Plus the CIA of the Us has to pay thousands of warmongering jobless people to tell CIA "truths" all around the place.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 11:16

      It's a crazy state of affairs indeed. And yet these people can't seem to bring down their incumbent elected rulers who engage in illegal wars, kill over a million people, cause trillions to be lost in financial meltdowns due to wrong economic theories and unethical conduct, transfer 100s of billions in wealth to a tiny elite, reinstate and publicly support torture and assasination of individuals based on secret intel, curtail basic legal rights for millions for security reasons. What is it about dictators that they don't like?

      Illuminated - 2011-07-21 12:10

      the west creates the dictators to have a reason to invade in the future. like they created Al Queda... Bin Laden was trained by the CIA, like the guys who bombed the world trade centre in the 90's...

      slg - 2011-07-22 01:56

      The Al-Quaeda operatives are robots controlled by the so-called West. They do not make any choices of their own.

  • vdwjasper - 2011-07-21 11:10

    Someday, those weapons will have found a way to SA... or they will have ended up in the hands of some or other African terror lord. Death, fear, horror.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 11:23

      That is what happens when the civilised world's economy is dependant on the manufacturing of weapons, perpetual wars. Warmongering nations like America, Britain, France, etc, have armament industries that need to be working flat out! Warmongering nations need to gain control of scarce resources so as to stop competitors like China and India becoming a military threat. Warmongering nations need armies to keep their own citizens in line and expand their imperialism. Nato have long been a gang of warmongers continually on the lookout for places to explode their toys. The organisation is completely out of control as can be witnessed in its behaviour in Libya and should have been disbanded years ago, preferably with most of the people at the helm sent to a remote island where they'd be able to blow each other up without affecting innocent bystanders. The rules of Empire have never changed, if wealth is not handed over on demand, then brute force will be employed to take it.

      Illuminated - 2011-07-21 12:17

      Kunta have you read confessions of an economic hitman... the author was on carte blanche too... very eye opening as to how corporations and the military are in bed with each other...

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 13:01

      @Illuminati I have, and that is the guy that opened up my eyes. I always had this Eurocentric outlook about life until someone recommended John Perkins to me. Today I read Chomsky, Finkelstein, Craig Robetrs, Roger Cohen, John Pilger and some of the old material by Walter Rodney, etc.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 13:11

      @Illuminati You can google some titles also about the war racket. Gen. Smedley Butler had this figured out LONG ago, His book is: War is a Racket http://www.lexrex.com/enlightened/articles/warisa... Pass the word, each one teach one... There are titles also about banking cartels and how they control governments, see: Walter Rodney in 'How Europe Underdeveloped Africa' (available for free online) R.H. Tawney, in his “Religion and the Rise of Capitalism, Creature from Jekyll Island, G. Edward Griffin (The Federal Reserve Bank and who formed it) Mathew Josephson, the robber barrons In The Profits of War, Richard Lewinsohn Richard Peet: Unholy Trinity: The IMF, World Bank and WTO. The globalisers, Ngaire woods

      slg - 2011-08-01 05:15

      Again, Kunta, we in South Africa went through a lot to secure the right of all South Africans to vote. It doesn't go down well here that Libyans are being denied this right by Gadhafi and his sons.

  • juliusedwa - 2011-07-21 12:13

    WETHER WE LIKE IT OR NOT AFRICA WILL ALWAYS DEFEAT THE WESTERN AND THEIR PUPPY SO CALLED NTC, AFRICA WILL BE FREE ONE DAY, USA AND OTHERS MUST REMEMBER THAT WHAT GOES AROUND IS WHAT COMES AROUND!

      DeonL - 2011-07-21 12:43

      No african state has ever won a war against any western country. Let sleeping dogs lie.

      Kunta-Kinte - 2011-07-21 13:13

      Mussolini was beaten in Ethiopia during the WWII, go learn your history, you western agent.

      vdwjasper - 2011-07-21 13:28

      DeonL: The first Anglo-Boer-War?

      vdwjasper - 2011-07-21 13:37

      @Kunta-Kinte. "Mussolini was beaten in Ethiopia during the WWII..." What does that even mean? I can venture a fair guess. You do tend to see a fair share of Ethiopians in Rome. I recall an old saying. I think it goes something like this: "The Ethiopians are at the gate..."

      slg - 2011-08-01 05:17

      Julius, does this mean you support that Gadhafi is denying Libyans the right to vote? That can't be right, surely. I imagine you know what that feels like.

  • mokgadiathole - 2011-07-21 16:11

    for alternative media read here mathaba.net/news/?x=626791

  • mokgadiathole - 2011-07-21 16:13

    The Queen must step down as well if the want Gadaffi step down, this is about African and the Libyians, the criminals must just give up, their game is in the final stage, the people of libya are united compared to those drug addicted rebels read here for more info http://mathaba.net/news/?x=626791

      Anton - 2011-07-21 19:26

      mokgadiathole, I have spoken to my friend the Queen, and told her to stop taking drugs, that she is not a Libyan, and for this reason, can't marry Gaddafi, also told her she is a criminal and her game is up!! I hope I did it right !!

      slg - 2011-08-01 05:18

      After Libyans have the right to vote. They don't under Gadhafi.

  • Datbrotherfromthestates - 2011-07-22 03:13

    MORE WEAPONS! SO THE RESOLUTIONS MENS NOTHING TO THESE AL-QAEDA TERRORIST REBELS NEITHER CORRECT? what an ungrateful lot of terrorist these so called rebels are. try to take over a country and legitimate govt by force with a pocket knife then expect your enemies from europe to help you all the way? rumor has it that the nato countries are trying to work out a deal just to save their face now! seems like russia china and south africa have given the bigots from nato the "BIZZNESS" and have told them that they would defend gadaffi if they try to invade. doesnt matter now what lies you whites tell from here on out! regime change in Libya has FAILED just as I told you bigots it would! now england and france are about to suffer through economic sanctions of their own once gadaffi shuts them off and turns off his oil spickets in those countries! I can hear the cry's coming from england now regarding david cameron, how do the brits say it Anton 'OFF WITH HIS HEAD"

      slg - 2011-08-01 05:19

      Well, you do not believe in the right of citizens of a country to vote for their leaders. This is something we fought hard or in South Africa.

  • jackson williams - 2011-07-30 18:33

    France: Are the European thugs in Libya,NATO cant win this fight.....they most go and leave it for AU sort out

      slg - 2011-08-01 05:20

      Jackson, do you also like the idea of Libyans not having the right to vote? Do you want to go back to Apartheid?

      Barr. Fazal KUILA - 2011-08-01 05:40

      @slg - who told you Libyans were denied to VOTE? in case your brain is no more working, let me remind you that earlier this nonsense uprising, AU proposed Emperor Gaddafi for democracy reform which he accepted but those Al-Qaeda group called themselves rebels completely turned it down that Emperor Gaddafi and his family must leave their own fatherland to exile before they will accept any democracy reform. Now tell me, is Emperor Gaddafi not an Libyan? is Emperor Gaddafi's children not Libyans that Al-Qaeda group denying their right to contest for presidency? Is only stupid African lady that will accept to married western idiot like you, please stay out of African affair for we don't need you...

      slg - 2011-08-01 06:36

      That was long after the UN passed Resolution 1973 and the Nato bombing started. He has denied Libyans the right to vote for 40 years, about the same as the Apartheid government, and turned on those Libyans who were demanding that right. It's all on record. I am a South African, Barr. I went through Apartheid and was part of overthrowing it. I know how important the right to vote is.

      slg - 2011-08-01 07:07

      To emphasize, Barr, that was long after the UN passed Resolution 1973 and long after the Nato bombing started.

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