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No gays please, we're Zambian

2012-03-01 21:02

Lusaka - Zambia has no plans to amend laws that outlaw homosexuality, a government spokesperson said in Lusaka on Thursday, following speculation of a change in response to a recent call from United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon.

"The laws of the land are very clear on this issue," Fackson Shamenda told a press briefing. He added that the government did not view gay rights as enshrined in international law.

During a visit to the country last month, Ban said: "Sexual orientation should not be a reason to discriminate any person." He added that "the rights of these [gay] people have been trampled upon".

Following a meeting with President Michael Sata, Ban was asked by a reporter about liberties for gays, particularly in Africa, where more than 33 countries have laws against homosexuality.

"There is need to respect the rights of everybody not only in Zambia but everywhere else in the world. I know that President Michael Sata supports the call for the respect of everybody's rights regardless of sexual orientation," said Ban.

The comment sparked criticism from the country's conservative Christian community.

"It is inconceivable that the UN Secretary General can come here and tell us about the need to respect gay rights. That will not be accepted. Zambia is a Christian nation and it will continue to be so," said outspoken Bishop Joshua Banda of the Assemblies of God Church in Zambia.

Zambia's laws, a leftover from British rule during the colonial era, ban all homosexual activity for both genders.

Comments
  • JohncarlosBiza - 2012-03-01 21:17

    "Zambia is a Christian nation and it will continue to be so" So pretending there are no gays in their country will make them go away?

      Gordon - 2012-03-01 22:33

      Marnus - that is a stretch. Religious people are always so worried about what other adults do in their own bedrooms... makes you wonder why...

      JohncarlosBiza - 2012-03-02 02:01

      @Marnus what harm does allowing homosexuals the same rights as heterosexuals do?

      deabreu - 2012-03-02 07:20

      Marnus Lamprecht - Discrimnation is wrong, even if we don't agree with it. Some countries don't allow Christianity because it corrupts their way of life. Could I then say in that country it is the same as rape? Discrimination of any form opens up the law for more discrimination. Look at Zim and see how it all started.

      J-Man - 2012-03-02 07:50

      Yes John...because 'pretending' is what they're best at.

  • elewies - 2012-03-01 21:51

    Well then Western countries should stop giving hand-outs to these countries that discriminate based on one's sexual orientation... I know the UK have stopped giving aid to African countries, who discriminate against people's sexual orientation and religious believes, since last year and other countries should follow their example

      Godfrey - 2012-03-02 06:08

      @SaintBruce There is no difference between you and the christian racist bigots who supported slavery 150 years ago and Apartheid more recently. Christian racists like you now wish to apply the same discrimination against homosexuals and other people who differ from them. The bigotry and cruelty is identical.

      John - 2012-03-02 07:28

      Ha ha ha!!! Europe and the rest of the west is just broke and they're looking for excuses to run away from aid pledges it has made

  • sibajenemoono - 2012-03-01 22:34

    The notion that being gay is "unchristian" should also be put to question. Doesn't the bible also prohibit planting different crops in the same area? Doesn't the bible also Approve of stoning adulterers? The irony of this is that the same people who are outlawing homosexuality, are the same people who are doing things much worse. So, a Homosexual can't be a christian? Isn't it that God loves every human being regardless? This "Christian Nation" is not a good argument for banning gay rights. People need to revise their thinking

      Phoenix - 2012-03-02 00:09

      Fine but many people do not believe in your god. You dont have to accept gay people. They certainly dont have to accept you either.

      Godfrey - 2012-03-02 05:22

      @SaintBruce The usual Christian selective bible reading bollocks. You guys just make up the religion as you go along to suit your own creepy and perverted world view. You typically use ancient texts to justify acting upon your prejudices. The book of Leviticus suits you just fine. On the other hand, when you want to indulge in practices prohibited by those same ancient texts, ignoring the bible suits you just fine. For example, Leviticus. Particularly the bit about no tattoos. It's amusing stuff. I frequently wonder why, among the many rules and prescriptions therein, Christians don't sacrifice oxen or go to the "priest" to be inspected for "white marks". It's all there, right next to the warning regarding the abomination of homosexuality. Hypocritical, right?

      Kim - 2012-05-19 07:58

      St Bruce I take you believe that everyone born with a birth defect should be shunned from society because that is exactly what you are expecting from people born with a genital defect. Do YOU have the right to judge someone just because they do NOT fit into your little box??? Did you know that there are 5 sexes, male, female, herm (hermaphrodite), sherm (female on the in inside, male on the outside), merm (male on the inside and female on the outside). Oh sorry, the bible does not teach you to think for yourself and the bible teaches you to judge one another!! If I do not fit into your little box then I am not allowed any rights and I am not allowed to be happy because the bible teaches that we are on earth to live an incredibly miserable life at the hands of the bigots and hypocrites - that is exactly what you are!!! Did you ever ask yourself, if homosexuality was an abomination to God then why did God make them???

  • Michael McN - 2012-03-02 00:24

    Love your brother as yourself, Jesus said. So Zambia must be cool with homosexuality, eh? Tolerance is a Christian virtue. Get with the times.

      Godfrey - 2012-03-02 09:52

      @Wendy Please quote the bible where it references Jesus saying anything about homosexuals. Waiting .......

      Kim - 2012-05-19 08:04

      Wendy which way will you steer me if I am born both male and female (hermaphrodite) or if I am born male inside with no genitals on the outside or if I am born female inside with male genitalia on the outside??? Or are these people not allowed a normal life because christians are not allowed to acknowledge genital birth defects???

  • Michael McN - 2012-03-02 00:38

    Love your brother as you love yourself, Jesus said. Nothing could be clearer. Tolerance is a Christian virtue. Intolerance is evil. Get with the times Zambia.

      Godfrey - 2012-03-02 04:33

      I am afraid you represent a small minority of the people who identify themselves as Christians. Here is another of the few - Just as apartheid discriminated against people based on something (the colour of their skin) which they couldn't change, gays are now being discriminated against based on something (their sexual orientation) they can't change, - Reverend Peter Storey, bishop of the Methodist church, South Africa Sad to say the vast majority are brainwashed into an opposite world view; to spew hatred and loathing for anyone who is different. At the end of the day, led by the pope and the creators of American versions of Jesus, they have perverted Christianity into ugly, petty, inhumane tripe.

      Godfrey - 2012-03-02 04:34

      BTW Michael. I see you have collected a few thumbs down. They could only have come from those fellow Christians I identified.

  • Irene - 2012-03-02 00:41

    Aaaah yet another backward African state.

  • Zoleka - 2012-03-02 09:31

    There is a simple solutions.....Our government should rescue the gay Zambians and place them in Cape Town where they will be welcomed with open arms, received as brothers and sisters. I would really like to see that. Since Capetonians do not discriminate against anyone. What a lovely City.

  • betsy.compaan - 2012-03-02 13:05

    Funny how nasty "religious" people are on this site, just goes to show that it doesn't mean anything as you certainly don't hold the values that would be expected from "good God fearing" people. You lot just like to think that you are without sin yet you are the worst out of everyone. You are the reason that your religion has such a bad name. You are nothing but Sunday Christians

      raphael.chipoma - 2012-03-03 06:39

      The opposition to this is more about being Zambian than being Christian so please stop bashing the Christians. Take away Christianity in Zambia and you'll get the same reaction on this topic, its a cultural thing.Read the title of the article again.

  • jean.p.katz - 2012-07-22 04:49

    Desmond Tutu, the former Anglican Archbishop of Cape Town and a Nobel Peace Prize winner, has described homophobia as a "crime against humanity" and "every bit as unjust" as apartheid:"We struggled against apartheid in South Africa, supported by people the world over, because black people were being blamed and made to suffer for something we could do nothing about; our very skins. It is the same with sexual orientation. It is a given. ... We treat them [gays and lesbians] as pariahs and push them outside our communities. We make them doubt that they too are children of God – and this must be nearly the ultimate blasphemy. We blame them for what they are."

  • Carl Heinrich Witte - 2013-04-08 21:06

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  • Lunghile Mbhokota - 2013-04-09 16:50

    If homosexuality was a matter of choice,maybe those laws could be made effective,but since its not a matter of choice,i think that homosexuals must be given a chance to express their sexuality

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