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Russia 'to swap gunships for Zim platinum'

2012-06-28 10:42

Cape Town - Zimbabwe is reportedly in talks with Russia for the supply of military helicopters in exchange for platinum deposits, according to reports.

Quoting a privately-owned Russian newspaper Kommersant business daily, various media reports said Russia was holding negotiations with Zimbabwe on an inter-governmental agreement on stimulating investment and defence.

"Russian Technologies has already secured preliminary support from Zimbabwe's official representatives during its visit to the country in April," a source within the Russian presidential administration reportedly said, adding the local authorities were interested in the supply of Russia arms, particularly military helicopters.

"The issue being discussed is the transfer to Russian Technologies of the rights to develop the deposit in exchange for the supply of helicopters," the source said.

A source close to Russian Technologies is said to have confirmed the state corporation's interest in Zimbabwe's Darwendale project.

Darwendale has proven platinum reserves of 19 tons and total resources of 755 tons taking into account other metals, such as palladium, gold, nickel, copper and others. Total capital investment in the deposit development from 2011-2055 is estimated at $2.8bn.

Comments
  • Bulls - 2012-06-28 10:49

    You are kidding me! what?

      kelly.reagan.90 - 2012-06-28 11:08

      They are not at war...they are starving - rather swop platinum for food. Why helicopter gunships ? crazy

      Henri - 2012-06-28 11:10

      sad part is that they giving something away that will grow in value for something they dont even know how to work it, Russia dont even bother giving them a manual, clearly they to cleva to read !!!!

      kelly.reagan.90 - 2012-06-28 11:10

      Better still....they should use the platinum money to pay us back what we have loaned them. Also use the money rather than beg for handouts from the west

      Rob.Trianglem - 2012-06-28 11:11

      Maybe there are RAT PACKS on the helicopters to feed the nation LOL.

      Henk - 2012-06-28 11:13

      Bob is going to invade us with two gunships!!!

      ryan.a.smith.3958 - 2012-06-28 11:15

      yea thats exactly what the country needs ... gunships and weaponry. how silly of me. bunch of corrupt, thieving, murderous, incompetent government thugs.

      AnthonyfromAfrica - 2012-06-28 11:18

      Looks like Russia is not satisfied with one Syria !!! These bastards only cause misery in the world !!!!

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-06-28 11:39

      The African Despot syndrome at it's best. Idi Amin?

      customdesign - 2012-06-28 11:41

      lol Alicia - they are helicopter gunships

      glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-06-28 11:52

      Mugabi is building a dacha (holiday retirement cottage) in Russia?

      Walter - 2012-06-28 11:54

      Sickening, to say the least. Zimbabwe needs cash to pay for food and infrastructures which have been seriously affected by the tyrant and his regime. The gunships will be used against its own people, to be sure.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-06-28 12:19

      Meanwhile in Zimbabwe........O_,o say what?

      james.bondiski - 2012-06-28 12:26

      Reminds me of a cartoon called tinky and the brain.hahaha

      Steven - 2012-06-28 13:40

      Hey Alicia. An attack helicopter is a military helicopter with the primary role of an attack aircraft, with the capability of engaging targets on the ground, such as enemy infantry and armored vehicles. Due to their heavy armament they are sometimes called helicopter gunships. And to answer your question "I just wonder who is going to fly the helicopters. All the Zimbabweans now live in South Africa". The ZNA is one of the best trained and well equipped armies in Africa. It has over 40000 troops. ZAF (Zimbabwe Air Force) is also very well drilled and Thornhill Air Base houses close to 2000 Air Force personnel. They are not people you should take lightly. My country has been destroyed by Mugabe and co but the one thing that has been kept ticking is the Army. I hate him as much as the next person but respect ZDF (Zimbabwe Defence Forces). They trained and still training most of Africa's armies.

      Juan - 2012-06-28 16:15

      Mugabe needs those for his next election sham. These damn Russians will get into bed with anyone at the right price

      Daniel Mpande614 - 2015-05-07 11:10

      Gunships... really. His people are starving and they order gunships.

  • marcus.daily3 - 2012-06-28 10:50

    WTF is this, The Delta Force???????

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-28 12:02

      Imagine Zim okes trying to fly these things... BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAAA

      Juan - 2012-06-28 16:20

      Well actually Zim has some good pilots, or so I read somewhere

      Jellyarse - 2012-06-28 17:33

      Why worry, they won't have money to pay for fuel for them and then when they break down, they won't be keeping any spares and then, if they do have spares, no-one in Zim will know where they are ( if they haven't been sold for scrap) and finally, if they find the spares, no one will know how to fix them! Trade for mielies Mad Bob, it'll win you more votes ( not that that really matters!)

      ruan.nielsen.3 - 2012-06-28 17:41

      He is negotiating arms for the Zanu pf and ancyl,the ancyl cannot legally get their hands on weapons in SA so xanu pf and ancyl are collectively going to arms themselves cross border and train and make themselves ready for the mass genocide in SA,,,,,time is coming we need to arm ourselves.

  • Jono - 2012-06-28 10:53

    First of all giving Zim fire power and more millitary stuff to play with isnt really such a good idea i think!

      Jono - 2012-06-28 10:54

      o ya and secondly $2.8bil over 44years doesnt sound like such a big investment either!

  • winston.mullany - 2012-06-28 10:54

    Going to crash those things....then again they can't even f*&^*n fly them!!

      buck.ofama.313 - 2012-06-28 11:12

      Really? they cant fly these things? Better check with the Rwanda army. I dont like these mofo's but if you are going to criticise, a bit of fact checking is in order!

      henry.bosman.5 - 2012-06-28 11:49

      Buck - Rwanda's military is a mean machine that will be kicking congo's a$$ one of these days. Zimbo's military is good at killing civilians

      Jack - 2012-06-28 12:13

      @Henry - Check you facts, and you will know there is a UN Report that points to Rwanda being accountable for 5 million civilian Congolese lives.. http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Rwanda-officals-backing-DRC-rebels-UN-20120622 http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/UN-Rwandans-trained-to-fight-in-DRC-20120528 And as regards military supremacy... here is a short report: Air force (Rwanda), Air force Assessment - Rwanda Rwanda paid a high price in the neighbouring Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) war, when few aviation assets were available to counter the formidable inventories of Kinshasa's Angolan and Zimbabwean allies.The Rwandan Air Force has minimal combat capability and would find it difficult to defend national airspace. In the absence of combat experience, the ability of pilots to respond to changing threats and opposing tactics cannot be assessed. Assessment - Zim A number of conclusions can be drawn from an analysis of the involvement of one third of the ZNA in the DRC between August 1998 and November 2002.Perhaps the greatest lesson of the DRC campaign is that the ZNA could deploy up to a third of its personnel strength to a frontline thousands of kilometres away in order to save a friendly government in the short notice period of one week.

      buzz.bar.16 - 2012-06-28 12:47

      2002 Jack.... 2002. that was a looooong time ago. It was a time when most Zimbabweans only thought of coming to SA....

      Jack - 2012-06-28 12:47

      Are the Zimbos not training some of your own Airforce pilots in their foundation level, right here in Pretoria?

      buck.ofama.313 - 2012-06-28 12:58

      Thanks @jack for that. Henry please read about the "battle of the Inga Falls" during the second Congo war. The Mean Machine (Rwandan Special Forces)were captured by infantry forces from Zim. Underestimate these bastards at your own peril, they are the only other Army with recent combat experince, the other being Angolan forces.

      lovemore.mutawu - 2012-06-28 13:08

      some whites are too blinded by their racism to see clear facts about the ZNA. Most SADC countries' military pilots hvng been receivng training in Zim for ages...check wit yo Defence Department!

      audrey.lang.10 - 2012-06-28 19:09

      Aaaah, and here comes the racecard. This one is courtesy of Lovemore. We were all waiting to see how long before someone plays it.

  • peek.poke.3 - 2012-06-28 10:58

    WTF ! You can't eat a helicopter !

      swavka - 2012-06-28 12:08

      Hey they are going to try.

      Vlad - 2012-06-28 12:15

      Tell this one to black people....they 'll tell you go to hell.No brain-it is permanent medical condition

      Juan - 2012-06-28 16:23

      They can sell it as scrap metal and use the money to buy food :-)

  • Ditantane - 2012-06-28 10:58

    getting ready for NATO, i like it.

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-06-28 13:51

      Zim vs NATO...Mmmmm them gunships would be downed in a glimpse of the eye.

  • Stille - 2012-06-28 10:59

    I see a lot of craters in the Zim area in the foreseeable future.....

      Rob.Trianglem - 2012-06-28 11:12

      LOL!

  • bernard.heritage - 2012-06-28 10:59

    What on earth are Zimbabwe going to do with Helicopter Gun Ships? Fend off the MDC at the next elections no doubt. An investment in infrasturcture development would have been much more beneficial, but then, whose palms are being greased? We all know the answer to that one now, Don`t we!!!!!!!!

      ThinkingChick - 2012-06-28 11:24

      Ah Bernard, those choppers will be non-sky-worthy within a week. Like every other thing they have ever had that flies.

  • Vicker - 2012-06-28 11:00

    Whats the problem? We all know poor old Bob needs some defences against the colonialist, capitalist western pigs. He will never even consider using these gunships against his own people noe would he? And of course the fact that he is after the platinum isnt about his own piggy bank either - Im sure he will be ensuring the revenue stream will be directed at the grass roots communities who need it most. So relax everyone, we all know how honourably things get done here in Africa...

      ThinkingChick - 2012-06-28 11:25

      He will take the choppers and tell Russia it's not getting any platinum. That is the Zanu PF way.

  • mizzo.mahlangu - 2012-06-28 11:00

    I guess Zimbabwe is declaring a war in disguise .

      john.bucknall.1 - 2012-06-28 11:53

      We are in deep dwang, Mogobwe and malemmer are going to attack the cANCer meetings. Just a conspiracy theory.

  • faerrab - 2012-06-28 11:06

    Middleast is the American,British and German Weapons depot - Africa is the weapons depot for the rest of the world

  • jack.oosthuysen - 2012-06-28 11:06

    Some citizens may look for alternative usage for this big fan blades.

  • jason.sole.92 - 2012-06-28 11:08

    this is not good. why would the zimbos need such fire power?

      Steven - 2012-06-28 11:35

      Its election season.

      BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-06-28 12:24

      To crush the opposition or at least scare the Cr^&p out of them.

  • adriaan.pieterse - 2012-06-28 11:09

    Ut oh, going back to I will trade you a peace of copper wire and mirror for that sheep system. I however think platinum would be a good investment because as soon as one of the worlds biggest platinum producers run their mines into the ground the price of platinum will soar and the Russians will have made their costs 100 times over.

      adriaan.pieterse - 2012-06-28 11:09

      Piece*

  • Thapelo - 2012-06-28 11:10

    Mugabe, Mugabe, Mugabe!!!!!!!! Please, we have so many Zims here in SA. You are not at war! Please, get companies to mine and use the money to call all Zims that are scattered all over the world. Mugabe, heish!!!!

      Henk - 2012-06-28 11:16

      Economic freedom to get some gunships! Buwahahahahahahaha!

  • Bulls - 2012-06-28 11:12

    I think the second transition should be centred aroung invading and colonising Zimbabwe, just to save those Zimbabweans and Africa. Someone stop the lunatic Mugabe.

      Henk - 2012-06-28 11:17

      If they have two gunships the SANDF is going to be is seriaaaas trouble! Lesotho only had a couple of snipers the last time we where in conflict! We know how that played out!

      ThinkingChick - 2012-06-28 11:27

      um, no.Zim, my home country, is already a mess. We do not want to inflict the cANCer on them now too.

      Steven - 2012-06-28 11:29

      I don't think SANDF has a chance against the ZNA. As much as I would like to see the back of Mugabe and his cronies, war is not what us Zimbo's want. If we were clamouring for war, we would have started one long ago. But war only brings more misery. War destroys lives and infrastructure. AS much as Bob has destroyed our lives, war will make it much much worse. And lets not forget the flood of refuges to neighbouring countries. I know we've already over stayed our welcome here, but if war broke out, many many more will come.

  • Marco - 2012-06-28 11:19

    zanu will know how to deal with illegal south african immigrants, and the locals wont forget their treatment here in a hurry either.vivaaaaa

  • Matthew - 2012-06-28 11:20

    Well they cant go to war with us or any of their neighbours,cause us being lets say the "super power" country of this continent,we will go to war with them to protect the neighbours. He should be using these resources to build his country let alone pay us back for everything we've LENT them. No no,this for use in Zim.Going to use these helicopters against his own people.In case like in Syria the people finally have had enough and try to overthrow him and his regime.this is for that,so that if the people try,he'll blwo them away.sad really sad

      ThinkingChick - 2012-06-28 11:28

      If the helicopters remain useable. And that is highly questionable.

      buck.ofama.313 - 2012-06-28 13:02

      Thinking Chick, the Zim army is quite efficient in the servicing of aircraft, heck they have 60's allouettes still flying.

  • warren.carne.9 - 2012-06-28 11:21

    Nothing wrong with the deal just as long as they are to shoot down Bobs presidential plane

  • ThinkingChick - 2012-06-28 11:21

    Settle down folk. Zim had a really good airforce at one point, I think it has one plane left now. These helicopters are just a way for Putin to zap his finger at the west. People in Zim have no clue how to fly.

  • Thebigguyjim - 2012-06-28 11:22

    The SANDF is in a total state of collapse, maybe old Mugabe has plans to move into the Union Buildings or TheTuinhuis.

  • Tommo - 2012-06-28 11:23

    Russia has never and will never worry about ethics. See what they do in syria

  • michael.moets - 2012-06-28 11:23

    Who needs food

  • Steven - 2012-06-28 11:25

    We don't need gunships Robert and Defence forces guys. We need real investment. Scrap that stupid indigenisation law or atleast rework it. $2,8billion over 44years is peanuts to say the least. Similar to the Zisco steel deal, where after signing the MoU, the ministry of mines discovered that they had mortgaged all the steel reserves for less than $1billion. ANd to the guys saying they can't fly them etc, im sure you are only saying that out of dislike for Mugabe and not actually meaning it in reality. Reality is, Zim has one of the best trained armies on the continent if not the world. They lack the technology but they have a lot of training. Trust me on this, I know first hand what I'm talking bout.

  • howard.komati - 2012-06-28 11:28

    Zimbabweans will never return home i wish i had a Titanic(ship) and send them to Russia if they buy such things it means one thing. We are prepared for a war this is a set back for me cos i would have loved to wake up one day wth headlines reading * AFTER SOME SERIOUS INTROSPECTION THE SA GOVERNMENT HAS FINALLY DECIDED TO DEPORT FOREIGNERS. THE STAR.

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-06-28 11:34

    Typical..Super D*os trades his country's natural resources for sh*t Ruski gunships.. to shoot at what ?? Long after Bob's gone & the gunships are vrot the Ruski's will still be into Zim's ribs!! Take note ANCYL you dumb sh*ts!! Nationalise and die!!

  • donald - 2012-06-28 11:34

    who cares they still need someone to fly them and if they do they should be crashed in a day or parts stolen cos who really needs a blade it still has 3.

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-06-28 11:36

    What the hell? Is food, education, training, housing etc etc not a bigger priority than damn war machines? I cannot believe this, they go from absolute stupidity into the absolute absurd. What a shining example of Africanism at it's best.

  • Hermann - 2012-06-28 11:38

    Crowd control (read opposition oppression) should be so much easier.

  • Provence - 2012-06-28 11:40

    Hahahaha...Zim has nothing to protect...who will fly the gunships??? hahahahah...I love it.

  • glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-06-28 11:43

    Politicians selling their country!

  • jason.marriott.75 - 2012-06-28 11:48

    I love to see Robert in one these seriously cool. Then for him to tossed out couple thousand feet up.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-28 12:06

      Hahahaha!

  • glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-06-28 11:49

    Why don't they swap South African attach helicopters for that platinum?

      buck.ofama.313 - 2012-06-28 14:05

      Which SA attack helicopter? the Rooivalk?

  • glyn.morgan.96 - 2012-06-28 11:51

    Mugabi is building a dacha (holiday retirement cottage) in Russia?

  • mike.j.smith.16 - 2012-06-28 11:55

    So who is going to fly them?

  • jamesallend - 2012-06-28 11:56

    Hate it o lyk it ds ez 4 us zimboz

  • mikesenhall - 2012-06-28 12:02

    Maybe mugabe/malema/zuma are plotting together to unite ZIM wit ZA.another national crisis in the making,watch this space

  • arthur.hugh - 2012-06-28 12:05

    I hope the Russians were clever enough not to include a warranty - doubt those choppers will be maintained properly. In a years time they'll be converted to shacks.

  • shiko.phoks - 2012-06-28 12:06

    Hahahahahahahahahahahaha....kwkwkwkwkwkw yoyoyo Mugabe wht de fu**k.No comment u r just a fu**ken joke.

  • Timothy - 2012-06-28 12:14

    LOL...they say how they don't want Europeans raping their resources... LMAO... how is this different to previous colonists swopping trinkets for treasure. Hilarious. While the people go hungry we will get them attack helicopters! South Africa should be worried... Zim knows how crap our army is.. they are going to come with their attack helicopters! lol!

      Sharon - 2012-06-28 19:43

      perhaps this is a scheme between malema and bob the knob to overthrow the zoomer and put malema in power,or they could just be scared of the witches flying around on their mats

  • BigChiefPlumbPudding - 2012-06-28 12:17

    I wonder how many gunships the ANC will order once they have their greedy paws on the SA mining industry.

  • mark.pieterse.96 - 2012-06-28 12:24

    WTF who will fly the things.

  • zionpercival.pay - 2012-06-28 12:37

    Zimbabwe has no friends so the neighbours probably shun Zim and no enemies either. As for helicopters from Russia, I would rather walk.

      buck.ofama.313 - 2012-06-28 13:04

      Zion, that in the pic is a Kamov KA-50 (the widow maker) read a bit about it.

  • Provence - 2012-06-28 12:57

    Maybe Mugabe just wants big ceiling fans in his office or he wants to start a fun ride park like Disney in the west. Eish, Mugabe wants to be like the west really but you are not allowed to mention this...check his Pierre Cardin suites!!! If he really wanted to go the African way, he would stay in a straw hut, eat pap and ride donkeys but he chooses what he wants...like his western name...Robert (somer call him robbie for short).

  • john.chebanga - 2012-06-28 14:27

    Cry our beloved nation. Mugabe's propaganda is always labelling MDC as sellouts but he is doing it in practice

  • gerhard.kress.3 - 2012-06-28 16:57

    What do they need helicopters for? Maybe that is the new Air Zimbabwe.

  • Bruce - 2012-06-28 18:09

    While everyone worries what Mad Bob could do with the choppers I get a feeling the overall arithmetic is bad. A 44 year project with 19 tons platinum reserves? The global production of Pt is about 200 tons (metric) a year, in 1998 the SA Bushveld Igneous Complex reserves of Pt were estimated at 6 323 tons with a lot of leeway depending on what mining technology is used and the Pt price, could be more. I hope Zim has a contract that gets them a fair share when Bob is long gone, there must be more than 19 tons.

  • gloria.bruno1 - 2012-06-28 22:11

    Seriously Zimbabwe your prioritiies are amiss! And Russia you are no better than China!

  • siliziwem - 2012-06-29 06:35

    do they have a sea for those ships?

  • Elvis Stuurman - 2014-09-16 19:43

    What a F#CK%NG IDIOT!!!!