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No one deserves to get raped

2011-08-26 09:25

Georgina Guedes

We’ve all seen her - that girl at the bar. The one who’s had too much to drink. Way too much. Her skirt is too short or her jeans are too tight and her shirt is low-cut and the straps are falling off her shoulders. Her make-up is smeared down her cheeks. And she’s throwing herself at every guy she encounters.

I haven’t been kind about that girl. I’ve pointed her out to my husband. Discussed her with my friends. Shaken my head at the way that she’s behaving. She’s not a pretty sight. But at no point have I ever looked at the trainwreck that her night has become and thought to myself, “That girl deserves to get raped.”

My husband takes it a step further. He thinks that anyone who responds to her advances is taking advantage, because she’s clearly not in the right frame of mind to be making decisions. He thinks that the only thing reasonable thing anyone should do with her is put her in a taxi and send her home.

It’s naïve to assume that the world is full of good men - it isn’t. But the fact remains that no matter how a woman dresses or behaves, she isn’t asking to be raped. Whatever she’s done, there’s nothing that justifies the behaviour of the man who responds by violating her.

This is the point of Slutwalk - a hotly debated series of marches around the world to protest the prevailing attitude summed up in one Canadian police officer’s comment that to remain safe “women should avoid dressing like sluts”.

Following global trends, the local protests have been a major talking point. Many people are upset or unsettled by the term “slut”, and feel that the protest should be titled differently to avoid alienating potential supporters. The watered down names “Rapewalk” or even “Liberation Walk” have been suggested.

This is missing the point somewhat, as the purpose of Slutwalk is not to protest rape - ostensibly we’re all against that - it’s to take people to that much darker point of acceptance that no matter how badly the girl is behaving, no matter how she dresses or who she flirts with, she’s not asking to be raped.

There is other subtext to the event’s stated intention. One point is to reclaim the word “slut” since flirtatiousness and overt sexuality are not bad things. Women who were raped in their own homes while wearing pyjamas have also added their voice to the cause, saying that they certainly weren’t “dressed to be raped” and that to put sexual assault down to what a person is wearing is to trivialise what any victim has gone through.

I also believe that to behave as though men are all barely restrained rapists, liable to be set off by a hint of cleavage or a flash of thigh is to disrespect the male of the species. Those men that attack women because they’re being overtly sexual have something wrong with them. It’s as simple as that.

And that’s why I support Slutwalk (even though I won’t be attending with a newborn baby strapped to my back). It’s for the bad girls, the drunk girls - the slutty girls even - who have been raped, assaulted and victimised for their behaviour, and have then been made out to be at least as much to blame as the inhuman men who raped them.

Slutwalk Joahnnesburg is taking place on September 24 2011. For more information visit the website, follow @slutwalkjhb on Twitter or check out their page on Facebook.

- Georgina Guedes is a freelance writer. You can follow @georginaguedes on Twitter.

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Comments
  • Temp - 2011-08-26 09:45

    Celebration of the lowest common denominator comes as no surprise in this day and age. Let me know when there's a walk for dignified women.

      david - 2011-08-26 12:06

      Any society is measured by it's treatment of the lowest among them. And yes, as the author puts it so well, not even sluts deserve RAPE. It's about the right to say NO, a completely non-negotiable right. Sadly the men in govt disagree with that principle. Hence the need for us to get off our asses and do something.

      Lauren - 2011-08-29 01:09

      Temp, open your eyes a bit. Step out of your perfect little box and acknowledge that life is not always a straight little formula from a to z for everybody. There is a lot of dignity to be had in that realisation. I am not sure if you intended it to come across that way, but you seem to suggest that only "dignified" women deserve to be exempt from rape. You are wrong. Nobody deserves that kind of treatment. Acknowledging that fact is the mark of a true dignified woman.

      Melanie Walsh - 2011-08-29 13:14

      Don't kid yourself. There are many dignified women who are or were or still will be sluts once in their lives.

  • Agent Bastad - 2011-08-26 09:56

    The world is as it is and after about 10 000 years, we've still not managed to change it. If you're going to act like an X, then you should be prepeared to be treated like an X. that's the way the world works and you ignore this at your peril. Fine, go ahead and walk like a slut, but don't cry if you get treated like one after admiting to being one. The choice is your's.

      Stirer - 2011-08-26 13:09

      You are obviously a person who can't keep his pecker in his pants. Perhaps you should go and live in a Muslim country, where all the women are covered head to toe, and even their eyes are veiled. that way, women in your company will be safe.

      Epicurius - 2011-08-27 10:53

      Once again, your lack of impulse control is women's problem why? You appear to identify on a deep level with those who cannot keep their urges in check. Therapy dude....therapy.

      Enigma - 2011-08-28 22:10

      one man's slut is another man's daughter. Your logic suggests that if you don't have the latest security technology then you deserve to be robbed.

      HelenLouiseW - 2011-12-28 13:41

      You are right, off course.....

  • Corne - 2011-08-26 09:58

    Before I am branded another male chauvinist please believe me that I wholeheartedly agree that nobody asks to be raped or deserves it. It is a horrible thing to have happen to you and I have seen the long term effects on girls that have been raped myself. However... If I drive through Soweto at 2 in the morning with a Mercedes I don't deserve to be hijacked, I didn't ask for it but common sense should tell me that I am looking for serious trouble. The world is unfortunately not perfect. It would have been lovely if I didn't have to lock my doors, have to install alarm systems in my house, be careful of where I drive at night. Everybody is ultimately responsible for their own safety, and that includes the way you conduct yourself when you go out after hours to a club. I dont go and chat up the biggest guy in the club's girlfriend because I know I will cause trouble for myself. Just like that, is it really that unreasonable to expect women to take their own safety into consideration when they go out at night? We are all adults after all. Do not get horribly plastered if you wear next to nothing without friends there to take care of you. I know it is unfair to have to behave responsibly but if you go out and look for trouble, is it really such a shock if it finds you?

      MBossenger - 2011-08-26 10:12

      You seem to be contradicting yourself here - you start by saying that nobody deserves to be raped and end off by saying don't be shocked if you wear revealing clothing and something happens to you! So in effect you are saying that the woman was "asking for it". So where do we draw the line? Is a dress above the knee too short? Thigh length? How about ankle length? Should we legislate on how long a dress needs to be to determine if the rape victim was asking for it or not?

      dranreb - 2011-08-26 11:23

      People is twisting the issue... NOBODY is saying a woman dressed like a slut deserves to get raped. Nobody is saying if a woman was dressed like a slut and got raped it is excusable. The point people are trying to make is that you can make yourself less of a target by not getting drunk alone at a bar wearing next to nothing. And if you do not want to get raped making yourself less of a target is a good idea. Use common sense. That's all.

      Trish Hamilton - 2011-08-26 12:16

      Except women who are wearing a full pant suit are raped. Women who are wearing fluffy winter pyjamas are raped. Women in workout gear are raped. There is NOTHING women can do to avoid being raped. NOTHING. Because women are raped by their husbands, their boyfriends, their cousins, their fathers, their brothers, their friends, their dates...and these men don't care what the women are wearing because IT IS NOT ABOUT THAT. So even if I dress in trousers and a polo neck and I don't drink and I never leave the house...I could still be raped. It is not the same thing as leaving your house unlocked.

      dranreb - 2011-08-26 13:11

      @Trish How do you know why rapists do what they do? So if girls in Polo necks and trousers who sit at home get raped all the time why does nobody organize a library girl walk? Or a granny panty walk? Sadly the people who believe in the slut walk is mostly the people who is taking part and has done the required metal gymnasts to have this walk be relevant to rape victims. To almost everybody else its just retarded.

      Trish Hamilton - 2011-08-26 14:11

      @dranreb I'll copy and paste for you since you clearly missed it the first time: "This is the point of Slutwalk - a hotly debated series of marches around the world to protest the prevailing attitude summed up in one Canadian police officer’s comment that to remain safe “women should avoid dressing like sluts”." If you think it is "retarded", don't participate. Don't worry, you won't be missed.

      dranreb - 2011-08-26 14:15

      @Trish OR Do participate, you won't be noticed

      Trish Hamilton - 2011-08-26 14:36

      @dranreb There's going to be media coverage of this event...unless you're implying something else?

      dranreb - 2011-08-26 15:47

      @Trish So after this event is done what will you have achieved? Maybe convinced some "insensitive" or "misguided" guys to not tell their friends or girlfriends to "not wear that slutty skirt cos you gonna get raped". Cool, so you stopped a fight. But by your reasoning it does not matter what the girl wears because you know... RAPISTS ARE GONNA RAPE. So with all your noise and heated debates how many rapes will you have stopped? Zero. That is my point. There are more constructive anti rape campaigns than demanding your right to dress like a slut. Seriously.

      Almaki - 2011-08-26 16:16

      @dranreb: Wow, did you ever miss the point. The point is to make people cognisant of the fact that no woman is ever to blame for being raped. Ever. Point blank. And if it helps one victim of rape to feel a little less that it was her fault, or silences one insensitive idiot who would make a raped woman feel that it was in any way her fault, it's done its job.

      dranreb - 2011-08-26 16:37

      @ Almaki So Trish says "This is the point of Slutwalk - a hotly debated series of marches around the world to protest the prevailing attitude summed up in one Canadian police officer’s comment that to remain safe “women should avoid dressing like sluts" And you say this "The point is to make people cognisant of the fact that no woman is ever to blame for being raped. Ever. Point blank. And if it helps one victim of rape to feel a little less that it was her fault, or silences one insensitive idiot who would make a raped woman feel that it was in any way her fault, it's done its job." I'm sorry for getting confused, maybe you guys should get together and decide why you are marching(other than the fact that's its fun to dress like a slut because you are "protesting") But let me leave you with this, anybody that tells someone being raped was in any way their fault is a dick. We all know that. A bunch of woman that thinks walking around the street in ridiculous outfits are gonna give people the message that its not your fault if you get raped.. that's taking it a bit far. The people that gets the point of your march already knows what you are saying... Anyway, good luck too all of you!

      Lauren - 2011-08-29 01:26

      Corne, common sense would dictate that a man would not have sex with a woman against her will. There's the rub. Do you wear shorts? Do you show your legs when you do that? Do you expect to be raped for showing that amount of skin? I love the tone of your message, but you HAVE to see that there is a total disconnect. It's as though a man should be excused in a way when a woman shows skin. Why? Are men that base? Surely not? Perhaps they are. Then why always swing it back to the woman? That is what you are doing. You are laying the onus of not being raped with the woman, where it should be with the man,.

      Lauren - 2011-08-29 01:30

      Dranreb, I am going to labour this point until somebody gets it. I will assume that men go out and get drunk and wear shorts and skimpy shirts. You do not see anybody raping them just because they look hot. Why THE HELL should women have to heed your warning when you guys are exempt? I will tell you why. A man who is going to rape, will rape regardless of what the girl looks like or how she is dressed. Defence and other factors have sought to put us on the back foot through out the years. Different standards have been set for women. Unfairly. So now we sit with a situation where it's ok to discuss clothing when it comes to the worst kind of assault. It's just insane.

      Lauren - 2011-08-29 01:34

      danreb, whose fault is being raped? Who decided to go out and rape a woman? Why the insistence to try and deflect? That is what you are doing and it is offensive.

      catherine williams - 2011-08-29 12:34

      So you are saying that women should go where to be safe? Off the streets? Out of clubs, restaurants? Not go to school? Maybe not be in their own homes unattended? Women have the right to walk, live, work where they like. They have the right to wear, think, enjoy what they want to. They even have the right to express their sexuality, to enjoy attention, to get drunk, to be sensual and sexy. They have the right to not have to monitor their environment for dangerous rapists ALL THE TIME. How do you feel living in a country in which you fear for your safety? Take it one step further to understand women's constant experience. Rapists act from their own interests but are empowered erroneously by a culture that first asks a woman "what where you wearing?", when she reports a rape. ie "What did you do to deserve this?" Next the police will ask the domestic violence victim "What did you do to "make" him hit/ shoot/ stab you?" Oh wait, they already do. Don't you think there is something WRONG with this picture.

      Melanie Walsh - 2011-08-29 13:25

      You are all missing the point. This is less about rape and more about being labeled with a derogatory term because women conform to fashion and men's ideals of the perfect woman. All women want is to be able to behave like a slut(equivalent word being stud) and not be called one.

  • Shivermetimb - 2011-08-26 10:00

    I simply cannot accept that a sluttily dressed woman that is raped has in someway diminished her rights not to be raped. Is it stupid to lurch around half-naked in a bar with drunks, sure, but does mean that if she is raped it is no longer a crime? Absolutely not. Taking this logic further, if you do not have sufficient protection around your home and you are murdered, then by the same token you were asking for it and it is also your own fault. I doubt that anyone who has knows someone who has been murdered would adopt that attitude. Yet we do to rape. Amazing.

      Agent Bastad - 2011-08-26 10:02

      Sure, it's a crime, but you were settign yourself up to be a victim.

      Shivermetimb - 2011-08-26 10:09

      AB, would you rape a woman dressed as a slut?

      Agent Bastad - 2011-08-26 10:26

      No. But I would try to get her to have sex with me because she seems to be available.

      Shivermetimb - 2011-08-26 10:32

      Willing concent is fine. Anything else is rape. I have spoken to women who have been raped. It is the most horrendous crime. They completely lose their sense of self-respect, in effect becoming the living dead. Some manage to overcome it, but for most their lives in the sense of normality are over. And all because some guy felt for whatever reason it was his to take. If slutwalk, virginwalk, rapewalk, or any other walk stops just one rapist it will all be worthwhile.

      anon...k - 2011-08-26 10:41

      Setting yourself up to be a victim? What? A woman NEVER asks to be raped! Let's get one thing clear here...it is not the women/victims fault that this happens...it is the sick twisted pervert who is at fault! No one deserves to be violated in that way...NO ONE! No one "asks" for it! And no one should ever feel that they have the "right" to violate a woman based on the way she is dressed or whatever the situation is - because they DON'T. It is not right...EVER...PERIOD! It cannot be justified.

      Agent Bastad - 2011-08-26 11:01

      You don't go to war dressed in shiny clothes. You don't skateboard without protective gear. You don't bring bacon to a muslim braai. But you dress like a prostitute when you go to a place filled with testosterone...?

      anon...k - 2011-08-26 11:38

      AB...so basically you're saying that if a woman dresses scantily and goes to a bar of men it's ok for them to violate her? So, women must change the way they dress but it's ok for the men to think like that and they don't have to change the way they think? Women are raped no matter how they dress. I feel like you are condoning it...you're justifying it. It does not matter how a person dresses...it does not give anyone the right to violate you.

      Trish Hamilton - 2011-08-26 12:17

      Wow, I didn't realise men were animals and incapable of controlling themselves. Good to know.

      Agent Bastad - 2011-08-26 13:11

      I'm saying that as adults,it is expected of you to think before you do something stupid. It's not a question of whether it is acceptable to make advances on a tart. It is a question of "I don't want to become a statistic, therefore I will use common sense". If you want to be treated like an adult, act like one.

      happycamper - 2011-08-26 13:27

      I cant help to agree: Is it still rape if you know that you are going to get drunk, no hell drunk and wear almost nothing?? It's the same with drinking and driving!? if you know that you are going to get sloth faced then don't drive or otherwise you are a criminal.

      Trish Hamilton - 2011-08-26 14:13

      So this expectation that people behave like "adults" is limited to women? Why don't men behave like adults and NOT rape women? As for comparing it to drunk driving...that's too ridiculous to warrant a response.

      Almaki - 2011-08-26 16:18

      @ Agent Bastad: To quote your own words back at you - "If you want to be treated like an adult, act like one." You should seriously reflect on the meaning of that, as I suspect the true intent has gone completely over your head.

      Epicurius - 2011-08-27 11:07

      @ Agent Bastad - You are a walking textbook on fallacious reasoning, aren't you? You have just used 3 analogies in which objects (army gear, dead pork, skateboard pads) are used inappropriately, or not used when appropriate, in a feeble minded attempt to justify women being 'used appropriately' when their clothes (in your mind) tell you they want to be 'used'. You feel the girls' clothes, if they are revealing or provocative, communicate the girls' blatant nymphomaniacal urge to submit to being dominated and violated by men, so such men will be 'giving them what they want' and therefore they should not complain. Come on!! You are seriously just a troll aren't you? Nobody could be this deluded, could they? I guess they can.

      Lauren - 2011-08-29 01:58

      Epicurius!!!! Wish I had said that!

      catherine williams - 2011-08-29 12:40

      at Agent Bastard: "seems to be available". Don't you ask women if they want to have sex with you? Its called consent. And unless its verbally, explicity given the sex act that follows is called RAPE. There is no "seems to be available" there is just you assuming without having the wits to find out.

  • Carl Muller - 2011-08-26 10:16

    The slutwalk is very good, but you are giving the gospel to the believers out there. When a girl does the the wrong place at the wrong time and mix with the wrong crown, she might just be seen by the wrong guy (and thank God, there are good men out there). and he will think, this girl wants it, look at her. Let me rape her....

      Lauren - 2011-08-29 01:54

      Carl,explain one thing to me: this girl wants it vs let me rape her....?????????????????????????? See? Do you see? Do you understand the problem?

      catherine williams - 2011-08-29 12:44

      dear Carl Muller, What is the "wrong place" for women? or the "wrong time" Is it similar to the previous "whites only" places that where access controlled? Or is it "after curfew" ? And the "wrong crowd"- would that be anywhere where men gather in numbers?

  • Amo Mpiriane - 2011-08-26 10:37

    I can't believe that in this day and age there are still people that think like this out there. It's true, certain things never hit home until they personally affect you. What is a slut? Is that not relative? So where then do the people who say "she deserved it" draw their line?? I've heard people being called out for dressing scantily when they're wearing leggings and a tank top. Do they fall into this category too? Do they deserve it? The only reason this mentality still persists is because we've made this mentality acceptable AB and it is up to us to change it. Rape is never justified and if we don't speak up about it I fear we'll raise children in a society where my 10 year old in shorts will be said to have been inappropriately dressed and therefor she deserved it too.

  • Everyman@24.com - 2011-08-26 10:44

    Nobody in their right mind believes that a woman deserves or asked to be raped. But the point has been made on this and other blogs on the subject: There are those out there who will look at the tight micromini skirt/cleavage/plastered on makeup and interpret it as "come and get it". Obviously they have no right to think or respond that way, but there are those who will. Do women have the right to dress as they please-absolutely (within the bounds of what the law considers acceptable!). Is it wise to exercise that right-in certain circumstances, perhaps not. Women need to take whatever precautions are necessary in the time we live in to protect themselves, and if "dressing down"a little, easing up on the booze in bars and clubs and always having reliable transport home arranged that seems to be a small price to pay. Obviously there are no guarantees but sometimes you can shift the odds a little in your favour. We have to deal with life as it is, not how we would like it to be.

      Trish Hamilton - 2011-08-26 12:18

      How far does "taking whatever precautions necessary" go? I was assaulted wearing a t-shirt and jeans. Was I supposed to be wearing a poloneck? We DON'T have to deal with the way life is, we have to CHANGE it.

      Georgina Guedes - 2011-08-26 13:47

      As I said, it would be naive to say that we live in a world where this kind of thing doesn't happen. The purpose of Slutwalk isn't to say that everyone should dress provocatively, but it's to drive home the point that no matter how a person dresses, they are not deserving. I guess the hope is that if it can shame one person who's ever thought "she was asking for it" into changing their minds, then that's the point.

      Lauren - 2011-08-29 01:51

      Everyman, with respect, take your views and shove them up your behind. Why do we have to take precautions? Again!! The focus is being shifted. How's about men take precautions to not assume things and stop raping women? Where does it end, my friend? You have to be savvy enough to know that women are raped all the time, regardless of what they are wearing. Don't go there. Don't do that to us. Unless you never ever want to wear a pair of shorts, or feel comfy, keep your counsel.

  • Thingamebob - 2011-08-26 11:39

    Rape is about power, nothing more, nothing less. I dress like i want and have power over you by saying yes or no to your advances. i will take the choice from you by my power. Its all about power.

  • Trish Hamilton - 2011-08-26 12:23

    Well said. It's about time we start telling men to stop raping women. I can watch my drink like a hawk everytime I'm at a club, I can go out with my friends and make sure I don't get separated from them, I can "arrange to go home at a decent hour" but that won't protect me from a man who believes he deserves access to my body, regardless of my thoughts on the matter.

  • Trish Hamilton - 2011-08-26 12:24

    "Rape culture is telling girls and women to be careful about what you wear, how you wear it, how you carry yourself, where you walk, when you walk there, with whom you walk, whom you trust, what you do, where you do it, with whom you do it, what you drink, how much you drink, whether you make eye contact, if you're alone, if you're with a stranger, if you're in a group, if you're in a group of strangers, if it's dark, if the area is unfamiliar, if you're carrying something, how you carry it, what kind of shoes you're wearing in case you have to run, what kind of purse you carry, what jewelry you wear, what time it is, what street it is, what environment it is, how many people you sleep with, what kind of people you sleep with, who your friends are, to whom you give your number, who's around when the delivery guy comes, to get an apartment where you can see who's at the door before they can see you, to check before you open the door to the delivery guy, to own a dog or a dog-sound-making machine, to get a roommate, to take self-defense, to always be alert always pay attention always watch your back always be aware of your surroundings and never let your guard down for a moment lest you be sexually assaulted and if you are and didn't follow all the rules it's your fault."

  • Trish Hamilton - 2011-08-26 12:25

    Sexual Assault Prevention Tips Guaranteed to Work! 1. Don’t put drugs in people’s drinks in order to control their behaviour. 2. When you see someone walking by themselves, leave them alone! 3. If you pull over to help someone with car problems, remember not to assault them! 4. NEVER open an unlocked door or window uninvited. 5. If you are in an elevator and someone else gets in, DON’T ASSAULT THEM! 6. Remember, people go to laundry to do their laundry, do not attempt to molest someone who is alone in a laundry room. 7. USE THE BUDDY SYSTEM! If you are not able to stop yourself from assaulting people, ask a friend to stay with you while you are in public. 8. Always be honest with people! Don’t pretend to be a caring friend in order to gain the trust of someone you want to assault. Consider telling them you plan to assault them. If you don’t communicate your intentions, the other person may take that as a sign that you do not plan to rape them. 9. Don’t forget: you can’t have sex with someone unless they are awake! 10. Carry a whistle! If you are worried you might assault someone “by accident” you can hand it to the person you are with, so they can blow it if you do.

      anon...k - 2011-08-26 12:47

      Trish...you are my hero for the day! I don't see why only women have to take "precautions" - it's ridiculous and unfair. My body is MY body - don't touch it unless I say you can! And I'm sorry to hear about your ordeal...happened to a close friend last week and she dresses like a true lady and knows how to handle herself - and this is something she is going to have to deal with for the rest of her life. It is too unfair and wrong for words.

  • Louis Cipher - 2011-08-26 14:48

    We all know that rape is wrong. We all know murder is wrong. We all know theft is wrong. Etc etc etc. HOWEVER there are people that rape, murder and steal. We live in a sick world. The point most people (apposing the "Slutwalk") are trying to make is "you know its out there, don't go looking for it". Unfortunately for women like Trish, who has personal experience with assault, it is difficult to debate on the topic as it is very close to home and hence emotional x 100. I could go on with examples like Corne but the harsh reality is "Prevention is better than cure."

  • Louis Cipher - 2011-08-26 14:48

    We all know that rape is wrong. We all know murder is wrong. We all know theft is wrong. Etc etc etc. HOWEVER there are people that rape, murder and steal. We live in a sick world. The point most people (apposing the "Slutwalk") are trying to make is "you know its out there, don't go looking for it". Unfortunately for women like Trish, who has personal experience with assault, it is difficult to debate on the topic as it is very close to home and hence emotional x 100. I could go on with examples like Corne but the harsh reality is "Prevention is better than cure."

  • Vince York - 2011-08-26 15:33

    Rerum Novarum >> Para 6 >> http://bit.ly/qab5z4 (without resorting to fanatiscism) is an indication of how crucial the core family values must always be maintained through a society and which any Justice & Peace group close to you is accomplishing steadily! This where apparently rape of women has become an ACCEPTABLE AGENDA let alone the scourge of national statistics

  • Nzuzonhle - 2011-08-26 16:30

    WELL PUT GEORGINA....VERY TOUCHING!

  • Bess - 2011-08-26 18:11

    Good luck to the Slutwalkers! ... though I doubt they can achieve much. The crime of Rape has nothing to do with women, what they wear, how they behave. Its a MAN problem. One in 4 men in this country admit to raping at least once. That is a shocking statistic. More effective would be a march for Castration of Rapists. I would love to see millions of women around the world marching, waving phallic symbols in one hand - preferably dripping with tomato sauce - and knives in the other.

  • tom.tom1307 - 2011-08-28 09:14

    I support the Slutwalk, but I dont think it does much in changing male perceptions, The slutwalk still in its symbolic ideology puts the cause of rape on woman. The people who should be the real activists of this anto campaign, are men. Because men are the real cause of rape, and women are the effects of male behaviour, values and sexual ideologies. There needs to be a campaign which re addresses male perceptions of females, there sexual ideologies and values and their paasage from boyhood to manhood. There is a campaign whihc is launching this year called the Man Up Campaign South Africa (MUCSA) which would be more effective in supporting than the slutwalk. MUCSA is apparently a initiative that works with young schoolboys in providing the right platforms in their passages to manhood and re addresses male behaviour through a pledge, one just like the virginity pledge in the states, of which these young male scholar have to commit to in terms of the values and practices associated with the pledge. Then there is Man Up Day on the 13th of October in association with International Suit Up day when all South African men suit up in the best suits or outfits in support of the fight against rape and woman abuse in South Africa where they also donate money for wearing there suits at school or at work to organizations that provide support and counselling services to victims of rape. It about time men man up in fighting the war against rape

      Antoinette - 2011-08-28 10:29

      I think this is the whole point here. It's not really women raping women.........although I'm sure same-sex rapes also happens. But, it's the same principal. The over-riding belief that it's the man's right to take what he wants.

  • Lauren - 2011-08-29 01:19

    Georgina, based on some of the comments by the guys, I think it would be appropriate to accept the fact that men be raped by virtue of the fact that they are drunk and wear shorts or t's or anything else revealing. I guess that is the benchmark for rape. You reveal skin, you are asking for it. Hey gues, feel like being raped for wearing shorts or a wife beater? Plenty of skin on the go there. Come on big boy....you are asking for it. Drunk in a pub. Fwoooaaahhh...let's have a go at you then. You are clearly begging for it. K, I'm labouring the point, but I hope I'm making a point.

      Kyjara - 2011-08-29 08:49

      From your comments its obvious that you are reacting with pure emotion to this issue. Which, as a woman, I can understand. But what annoys me is that at no time did any of the men say that any women deserves to be raped. And as a woman, I can see and grasp the concept of what they are saying. NO ONE SAID ANY FEMALE DESERVES TO BE RAPED AT ALL. If you can read that sentence and understand it then maybe you can think a little bit further about the point that people are trying to make. As a woman, I will take all the precautions that I can to prevent anything from happening to me. I do not dress in slutty clothes, I do not walk around alone at night and I do not get wasted and hit on random guys. SHOULD I have to do that? No! But DO I have to do it? Yes! So are you not going to take precautions just because you shouldn't have to? That would be quite stupid of you! And before you say it, NO - I am not saying that if you didn't take any precautions and you got raped then it is your fault. It is NEVER your fault. But as we all know, those evil men that do it are out there and so anything that could, maybe, possibly help, I will do and so should you.

      Lauren - 2011-08-31 22:12

      Hence the need for us to constantly have to make a point, march, protest, beg, plead.... That is my point. We are basically agreeing. If we do not stand up against the assumption that our clothing suggest that we want to be assaulted, where would we end up? Do you get that?

  • Redson - 2011-08-29 04:05

    I wish I could wrap myself in bloody meat and go for a swim in shark infested water without getting bitten. I don't deserve to get bitten.... I probably will though. I think woman should never ever get raped... Wether they are wearing head to toe coverings, skimpy sexy wear or nothing at all. My greatest fear is that this march is preaching to the Choir. It's some how hoping that it would get the message through to men who sadly are scum of the earth to start with. These men have no integrity at all.... Chances are that the people that need to be convinced by this march will never be convinced by these means. I'm more of an advocate for much tougher sentences.... Something along the lines of.... If you can't keep your pecker in your pants...you will be sentenced to have it removed in the most painful way possible. Fear is a fabulous deterrent... The greater the risk for these bastards and the tougher the sentences the better for woman everywhere.

      Lauren - 2011-08-29 05:09

      Redson, you are a sweetheart, but you are wrong. Fear of death has never ever deterred a psycopath (proven) and the other problem is that if you remove the winky, you do not remove the disrespect and utter hate for women. It makes it worse. You end up with a more violently determined person. Go read up on it. Rape is very rarely about the actual sex act and hardly ever involves gratification on a level that we perceive. It's about other things. Power, hurt, domination, humilitiation...take your pick....

      Redson - 2011-08-29 20:28

      For sure. I hear you Lauren. I've heard the argument before that rape is not about sex. And I agree it's not... for the offender. For the person having this forced on them it's the must humiliating disgusting "sex" that they will ever experience. For them it's about being robbed of power and choice. Sex is meant to be an incredibly beautiful thing that's given by choice. So while I agree that this may not solve the problem, I'm not going to lie that I wouldn't be extremely satisfied to see rapists having to live the rest of their days without their winkies. I think some other options would be: - A forced visible tattoo (think forhead) that identifies their crime (like the scarlet letter A, but for people who actually deserve it) -forced gps tracking --- preferably implanted somehow. I realize that this may not improve the problem - but justice is still a good thing and like child abuse, I don't think there is a sentence strong enough for these sub-humans.

      Styvies - 2011-08-30 14:34

      If it was cheap - how about a forced sex change operation?

  • Dean - 2011-09-06 09:27

    Now conducting yourself indecently in public is being rationalized . I feel badly for the woman who have been raped, but in the setting of the club scene the woman carries a lot of the control over being raped or not. I think anyone can wear just what they like , but how you conduct yourself in a public space and how liquor changes your personality should be taken into consideration . At the end of the day we live in a world filled with men willing to take advantage of a helpless 'lady' . Wake up, the day of chivalry is long gone. and these 'slut walk' woman are sending out such a dangerous message to young girls exploring the clubs,"slutty behavior is acceptable" I can just imagine the influx of rape cases to come.Think!!

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