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Alistair Fairweather

A black hole in our backyard

2008-08-08 09:06

Alistair Fairweather

As I write this, a group of scientists are trying to create a black hole on earth. Yes, a black hole - one of those giant black vacuum cleaners in space which people in sci-fi movies use to travel between dimensions. The ones that swallow up the light around them, and crush entire solar systems.

In a closely guarded underground facility that sprawls between France and Switzerland, the scientists are already testing the largest machine ever built - a giant, ring-shaped atom smasher called (in typical scientific understatement) the "Large Hadron Collider" (LHC). The thing is 27 kilometres around - Bloody Enormous Hadron Collider would be a better name.

So are they a bunch of white-coated doctor evils intent on obliterating us all with their Doomsday device? Hardly. They are physicists from around the planet, trying to prove the existence of a few missing particles that would tie up all their theories once and for all.

How will they do this? They will start by accelerating tiny amounts of matter to close to light speed in opposite directions around the rings of the LHC. Then, when they're at full gallop, they will cross the beams and smash the matter together inside four giant detectors. It's a bit like little boys gleefully running their toy trains into each other at full speed to see which bits fly off. Except this train set cost $15bn to build.

Theory

Currently they're looking for a particle that only exists in theory - the Higgs Boson, which the media insist on calling the "God Particle" (a name that makes most scientists wince). Describing this particle tends to make us non-physicists frown or fall asleep, but essentially it's one of the vital missing components in a neat description of the universe called the Standard Model.

Think of Higgs Boson as a piece of a jigsaw puzzle for which we've lost the solution picture. Scientists can see the gap, and they just need to find a piece that is the right shape. If they don't find it with the LHC, then their whole conception of the puzzle may be wrong. What they think is a picture of a pony may in fact be something else entirely. An octopus perhaps. And that "grass" may in fact be seaweed.

If they do find Higgs Bosoun, then there are a whole range of other puzzle pieces they want to find - mysterious beasts like gravitons (that would help explain gravity) and neutralinos (trust me - you don't want to know).

But hang on, what about this black hole business? It is a possibility, though a distant one. The conditions within the LHC approximate those present when dead stars collapse in on themselves and give birth to black holes. Not to worry, the scientists tell us, even if a black does form it will be microscopic and should quickly dissipate.

Don't Panic

If that doesn't comfort you, remember that the scientists at the Manhattan Project warned the US army that testing the first atomic bomb might set off a chain reaction that would vaporise the entire atmosphere. The generals went ahead anyway (America, heck yeah!) - and we're all still breathing. So if the white-coats aren't even worried this time, we should all be fine.

At least one person is hoping fervently that they do make a tiny black hole or two. If it happens, the radiation that they give off when they evaporate will win Stephen Hawking an instant Nobel prize.

He theorised its existence back in 1974 (hence its modest name, "Hawking radiation") but has obviously found it quite hard to prove. Black holes are difficult to observe up close - being billions of light years away and prone to crushing everything around them. But these bite-sized holes are just the trick.

So is all of this just more science for the sake of science, with no practical application? In the short term, yes, but properly understanding the fundamental laws that govern the universe is bound to open the door to all manner of technologies and tools.

I'm thinking time travelling jet-packs.

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  • You suck 8/8/2008 9:18:13 AM
    The balck hole isn't want they want it's the lworst case scenario. and sorry to say mate, if that happens... BOOM!! Buh-Bye...

    lol n00b 8/8/2008 9:19:45 AM
    Time travel? Impossible.

    Jonathan 8/8/2008 9:28:10 AM
    I read an article on this the National Geographic a few months ago, does this mean that the LHC is now operational? Interested to see what they come up with, explaining how the universe was formed is going to be a touchy subject!

    The Truth 8/8/2008 9:31:33 AM
    that the supposedly brilliant brains behind this endeavour are correct about there being no danger at all,because if it is it could be quite a nifty new weapon for someone like Al-Qaeda to lay their blood soaked hands on (it would only require their kidnapping of a few key scientists).

    The Truth 8/8/2008 9:31:48 AM
    that the supposedly brilliant brains behind this endeavour are correct about there being no danger at all,because if it is it could be quite a nifty new weapon for someone like Al-Qaeda to lay their blood soaked hands on (it would only require their kidnapping of a few key scientists).

    biobot 8/8/2008 9:32:04 AM
    Great piece, Al. I'd just like to add that what the scientists are trying to 'save' here is the theory of atomic structure that you and I learned about at school. The one with the nucleus in the middle and the electrons going round and round it ? ie. as you so rightly pointed out, the 'Standard' model. Basically what's happening is that at a quantum (sub-atomic) level, the Standard model breaks down EXCEPT if they find the Higgs Boson.

    Murray 8/8/2008 9:33:50 AM
    Wow..this whole experiment seems rather pointless...is it going to cure AIDS,stop famine or bring about world peace.I do not disagree that I am totally naive when it comes to experiments as mentioned above but why put all this effort toward something that wont cure the worlds problems.Man I should have been a hippie rather than a white collar

    MJ 8/8/2008 9:33:51 AM
    "Not to worry, the scientists tell us, even if a black does form it will be microscopic and should quickly dissipate". Surely if it is a genuine black hole, regardless of the size, it will not dissipate, but grow and grow sucking everything in?

    lolcat 8/8/2008 9:42:52 AM
    line up mugabe, zuma, the other zuma and that doofus from the ancyl and point this defice at them. then everyone will wish it creates a black hole and suck them in. mmmm....is black hole politicaly correct? we have a couple black holes here in the heads of some of our leaders. enjoy the weekend!

    Mark R. 8/8/2008 9:44:28 AM
    It was called a Higgs Boson (not Bosun) when I last looked. But perhaps it's also fallen victim to the most recent name-changing frenzy. Anyway, if they fail to make a black hole at CERN, I suggest they just look a few thousand km further to the South. Here in good old SA, we already have a perfect black hole. It's called Government.

    biobot 8/8/2008 9:45:32 AM
    One of the great things about science is that it never claims to have all the answers. If they DON'T find the Higgs boson, then everything we thought we knew about matter could very well be wrong - at an extreme, quantum level, at least. And it's back to the drawing board. There is something reassuringly humble and scrupulous about this attitude, which exposes the hysterical attacks of the Creationists as merely the throes of a defensive arcane world view that claims to have all the answers.

    Win 8/8/2008 9:45:40 AM
    I'll buy the "Hitch hikers Guide to The Galaxy" if this damn thing goes bust! Just hope there are little green men out there willing to pick me up!

    Win 8/8/2008 9:45:41 AM
    I'll buy the "Hitch hikers Guide to The Galaxy" if this damn thing goes bust! Just hope there are little green men out there willing to pick me up!

    BigBang 8/8/2008 9:51:58 AM
    At least if it goes wrong, no-one will know, what a way to go! Hope they find what they were looking for.

    Johann 8/8/2008 9:57:32 AM
    I can't believe that the powers that be are allowing this to go ahead! I find this insane. Some things should not be played with...

    E 8/8/2008 9:58:48 AM
    I appreciated the read.

    Morne 8/8/2008 10:01:31 AM
    I can think of a couple of politicians I would like to see close to this black hole...

    Steven 8/8/2008 10:03:05 AM
    The end will be quick and you might end up in an alternate universe.

    The Truth 8/8/2008 10:03:36 AM
    about the most dangerous phenomena found in the universe,and black holes were right up there.I seriously hope these guys know wtf they are playing around with,because that is power way beyond our mere mortal comprehension,even for top scientists (they can pull in light for Heaven's sake!).

    Riaan 8/8/2008 10:04:47 AM
    I liked your column. It makes it more understandable for we common folk ... ;) .. But it is sill a little bit of a stress point that if it should create a black hole and it is unstoppable, we will have a problem, but luckily not for long since we'll be squeezed into tiny little dots and nothing would then matter anyway. I big problems will then be small problems .. lol

    Concerned 8/8/2008 10:06:03 AM
    "What about this black hole business? It is a possibility, though a distant one" Couldn't they just lie to us and tells us there is no possibility that the black hole can form and destroy the world?

    theDriver 8/8/2008 10:07:59 AM
    The spin offs of this experiment could benefit mankind in many ways. Just like experiments conducted at NASA for space explorations have helped in many aspects of our daily lives, in medicine, athletics and technology in general. The possibilities are endless as long as there are no religious zealots to stifle progress...

    Ed 8/8/2008 10:08:18 AM
    I have the same concern as MJ. What is the balckhole doesn't dissipate and just grow? My understanding is that scientists don't have much knowledge of black holes. Create one? Here on earth? Seems like a not so smart move from people who are supposed to be smart.

    Flip 8/8/2008 10:08:19 AM
    Testing will only start on the 10th of September 2008. Accelerator is currently in a cool down phase.

    The Truth 8/8/2008 10:09:08 AM
    What a load of High English pseudo-scientific gibberish! If you have a problem with God and Christianity then rather keep it to yourself.Let us assume that there was a "Big Bang" (which I as a Christian funnily enough believe there was),what or who caused it? Fate? Coincidence? Two or more atoms splitting in space? Or was it God merely snapping his fingers? Nobody really knows,do they?

    Liam 8/8/2008 10:09:11 AM
    It's not science's job to lie to make you feel better. That's religions job.

    The Truth 8/8/2008 10:09:21 AM
    What a load of High English pseudo-scientific gibberish! If you have a problem with God and Christianity then rather keep it to yourself.Let us assume that there was a "Big Bang" (which I as a Christian funnily enough believe there was),what or who caused it? Fate? Coincidence? Two or more atoms splitting in space? Or was it God merely snapping his fingers? Nobody really knows,do they?

    CTheB 8/8/2008 10:15:26 AM
    Actually, large hadron collider is not an understatement, it's a good description of what the device is. The neutralino is a candidate constituent of dark matter, which I'm sure most people have heard of. The details are complex, but the basic description suffices. And it's a boson, not a bosun :-)

    Liam 8/8/2008 10:16:24 AM
    Murray - Acquiring knowledge for knowledge' sake is about the only worthwhile thing humans do. Sure you could take the 15bn Euro and feed a few hungry folks, but they'd just be hungry again next year anyway. (Anyway this entire affair is costing the equivalent of about 1 weeks Iraq war - there is a waste of resources.) MJ - black holes evaporate, losing mass until they disappear; it's called Hawking radiation. The smaller they are the faster they dissipate.

    Wayne 8/8/2008 10:17:51 AM
    Anyone seen or played Doom (Movie/Game) Lately?? Can't help but get images of some particles going through hell and back to earth disformed... Have a look at the movie, it was quite good... maybe the scientists could comment on it sometime later with items that were incorrectly represented in the movie/game

    Confused 8/8/2008 10:18:06 AM
    What does a particle of light look like? If you chase a light particle (or is it a wave) and even if you can travel at the speed of light, you will observe the light you are chasing will still be travelling away from you at the original speed of light. So how is it possible? Probably time will slow down to zero and nobody knows how to create that experiment. Even if we can we will only observe the results we measure for. Our light particle is both wave and particle depending on how we set up the experiment. Figure that out first and once you can explain that you can save Schrodinger's cat.

    J.O 8/8/2008 10:19:16 AM
    With all these experiments going on at CERN, it might actually all fall into place and provide cures for AIDS, Cancer etc. It's a HUGE experiment, of which black holes are but one (crucial) part. If all goes to plan, it'll also give us better understanding of anti-matter, which in turn will help us better understand nano-technology.....as mentioned they just need to put the pieces of the puzzle together.

    Jimmy 8/8/2008 10:22:48 AM
    When scientists say "Dont panic", we should run for our lives. Remember The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy with Arthur Dent and Ford Prefect and Betelgeuse?. "Dont panic" are the famous last words for more scientists than we should care to remember. Don't scratch where it doesn't itch! We should be scared, we should be very scared!!!

    Frank 8/8/2008 10:23:04 AM
    Going 30mph in a car in 1910 impossible??....look where we are now...

    Fouche 8/8/2008 10:24:45 AM
    Let me tell you something about science. There is no proof that the earth orbits the sun or that it rotates around it's own axis. Now don't attack me, do the research. It's all based on assumptions, not observations. The key to science used to be observation, now it's all about ego's, (unproven) assumptions and government funding, who by the way only funds those that tell and show them what they want to hear and see. Take for example the Copernicus Dilemma. Why hide a real scientific observation?

    biobot 8/8/2008 10:27:18 AM
    My point is that scientists don't know what caused the Big Bang. And they don't claim to. They have several hypotheses (an important word - one upon which the scientific method is based; look it up). But until they can prove one of these hypotheses by experimenting, they will continue to ask questions. Your attitude is: "No-one knows; perhaps no-one ever will; it's therefore best not to think about it." I abhor it.

    CTheB 8/8/2008 10:28:42 AM
    @YouSuck - Boom? Not necessarily (but for reasons that are difficult to explain). @Murray - Ignorance? Yes, you've displayed yours. These are physicists, not doctors or virologists, etc. Physicists and their 'inapplicable' experiments paved the way for a lot of modern tech that allows people to find cures for disease, etc. @Johann - Some things shouldn't be played with? Like what? And why not?

    rosemary 8/8/2008 10:30:47 AM
    Have we all forgotten....In the beginning God created heaven and earth.....

    wandile 8/8/2008 10:32:20 AM
    With limited knowledge I have about blackholes, is that they have infinite density, (greater than earth's). If that theory is true, so we 'll be eaten up by that black hole.

    meh 8/8/2008 10:36:51 AM
    I'm surprised the earth doesn't explode at the irony of your name and your belief system. But before i go off on an imaginary friends for grown ups rant -- good article Alistair.

    Spoegs 8/8/2008 10:40:19 AM
    How can anyone allow this to go ahead? It says in Fillubrians 20:3 - "Those that use vast amounts of energy to accelerate small things will bring doom to the earth", I see trouble here.

    QuintS 8/8/2008 10:40:57 AM
    You seem a bit confused mate. Creationist have been getting it right since ... well ... creation. Creation is constantly being proved through science, history, geography, et al and yet everyone is duped by the lie that we now read in almost every text book: "Millions and millions of years ago ..." - It sounds like what it is - a fairytale! (Long, long time ago ...) Science is great and should be constantly explored as described in this article as it exposes the great wonder that creation is.

    The Truth 8/8/2008 10:45:06 AM
    I have no problem with their experimenting.I do however have a problem with their doing it on this populated planet now,rather than say 100 years from now on a desolate planet like Mars,when they will hopefully be in a position to do so safely,from a distance.My initial problem was with your inference/attack that God had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the universe ("hysterical attacks of the Creationists"),or am I wrong?

    The Truth 8/8/2008 10:45:17 AM
    I have no problem with their experimenting.I do however have a problem with their doing it on this populated planet now,rather than say 100 years from now on a desolate planet like Mars,when they will hopefully be in a position to do so safely,from a distance.My initial problem was with your inference/attack that God had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the universe ("hysterical attacks of the Creationists"),or am I wrong?

    Joe 8/8/2008 10:45:30 AM
    That is probably how other black holes in the universe started. Smartass aliens who said "don't panic, it's going to be small". And then it sucked in everything. I should get a Nobel price for that...

    Morne 8/8/2008 10:47:03 AM
    Some of you okes are really funny. And I dont think you are actually trying to be!

    biobot 8/8/2008 10:47:28 AM
    Read my post below yours. A better word than 'assumption' is hypothesis. I 'assume' that there is an invisible pink unicorn in your bum. And I am right. You cannot disprove me. But I can NOT hypothesise that there is an invisible pink unicorn in your bum. Because I cannot prove it by experiment. Do you see the difference? Our hypotheses have landed us on the moon. Our assumptions have created gods.

    Richard 8/8/2008 10:51:08 AM
    You're right - and the Earth is actually flat with a giant waterfall at each edge. I don't understand what your definition of proof it, but I think centuries of observation and experimentation can lead to some fairly obvious conclusions. If the earth didn't spin around its axis, then we would all float off into space. FACT. I couldn't agree more with biobot - no-one knows how to cure aids - maybe its best not to think about it?

    The Truth 8/8/2008 10:51:44 AM
    The day the world ends? We shall have to wait and see.At least there is some comfort in that if something goes wrong we won't really have any time to feel it.Earth and everything else within a few hundred thousand kilometres of it should be history within a few seconds.

    Liam 8/8/2008 10:52:37 AM
    LOL. You are killing me. Personally though I think I prefer Fillubrians 27:4 - "I see a bad moon rising. I see trouble on the way. I see earthquakes and lightning." Seriously though, the ignorance of some of the posters is terrifying (no names mentioned Fouche). Go out there an get an education people.

    The Truth 8/8/2008 10:55:09 AM
    Can anyone tell us if this "momentous event" will be broadcast at all by SkyNews,CNN etc.,or is everything they are attempting to do there very "hush - hush"?

    Don't Panic 8/8/2008 10:58:10 AM
    This thing is 27 KILOMETERS in circumference, it needs to be cooled to -271 degrees Celsius (colder than space), has been under construction since 1994, costs $9.5bil to build and probably uses more power than Jo'burg or Cape Town put together. Even if they kidnapped the scientists, how would they build it? "The Truth SUCKS" There is an article in Sci-Fi, read it!

    Fouche 8/8/2008 10:59:18 AM
    You might have found the cause for my irritable bowel syndrome. I'll keep everybody posted.

    The Truth 8/8/2008 11:01:37 AM
    Just as your assumption that because you have never seen Him,there is therefore no God.I assume that you were born.You never saw it,but you do still believe that it happened,don't you? Your logic (the "invisible pink unicorn" thing) is therefore slightly flawed isn't it?

    BieLieHap 8/8/2008 11:01:43 AM
    http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html

    The Truth 8/8/2008 11:01:47 AM
    Just as your assumption that because you have never seen Him,there is therefore no God.I assume that you were born.You never saw it,but you do still believe that it happened,don't you? Your logic (the "invisible pink unicorn" thing) is therefore slightly flawed isn't it?

    Denim 8/8/2008 11:02:15 AM
    All the other news 24 columnists are very boring..Pls we need intersting atricles..I say bring Mr Jon Qwelane back

    MJ 8/8/2008 11:02:38 AM
    Black holes such matter in, and then, according to "Hawking radiation" it sends it back out, which is why they will dissipate. Great. BUT, like in the article, the "Hawking radiation" is a theory, and is yet to be proved. This will prove it, or disprove it. If they disprove it, we won't be around to record the results.

    Proctologist 8/8/2008 11:09:19 AM
    I have a patient that is convinced a invisible pink unicorn is causing his irritable bowel syndrome. Apparently he got the idea on this site. I'm doing research on the subject and I think we are on to something... It could be the breakthrough I have been looking for. Wish me and my patient good luck.

    Morne 8/8/2008 11:14:51 AM
    Sheez - numbers or sequences as used by all of us in the numerical system is also only based on a theory and cannot (still) be proven. But still we all use it - even as all of you type right now. Run to the hills! We base our lives on nothing but theory! Damn people, the world has been coming to an end for the last 1000 years and beyond! Damn some okes are funny.

    Some Bloke 8/8/2008 11:18:31 AM
    If you proofread your comment you might understand why I'll be taking these scientists opinions over yours.

    Joe 8/8/2008 11:18:37 AM
    You are confusing a black poepol with a black hole. Dude seriously we are all professionals here. Stop making jokes about serious stuff...Just joking carry on.

    J.O 8/8/2008 11:20:18 AM
    Don't keep all that good stuff to yourself. I too like smoking those greens from time to time. You gotta be zonked out of your mind to believe like you do - I swear even the pope will laugh at you. and no this isn't an attack on religion (I'm also religious, just not Christian) but it's guys like you that give religion a bad name.

    Liam 8/8/2008 11:20:40 AM
    "This will prove it, or disprove it. If they disprove it, we won't be around to record the results." - yeah well, you win some, you lose some. ;-) Just because something is a theory doesn't mean that it's completely untested and unsupported by substantial evidence. There are plenty of experiments that support the theories that predict Hawking radiation. Scientists at CERN are looking for more confirmation. This isn't some first-try, stab-in-the-dark experiment.

    theDriver 8/8/2008 11:22:12 AM
    it didnt take long for religious fundamentalists to crush yet nother scientific experiment that could be worthwhile to mankind. If it wasn't for such experiments we would still be stuck in a bronze age flat earth. Judging from the comments in here, it's amazing that some people still believe the earth is flat despite all the evidence to the contrary...

    Bob 8/8/2008 11:23:18 AM
    In the beginning God particles created heaven and earth.

    Matrix 8/8/2008 11:24:48 AM
    Called Africa. Refer Zim & financial situation. The more you put in, the less comes out. Just on more serious note. Read up on ome articles concerning black hole. It is capable of pulling in hundreds of thousands time its own mass according to scientists. If it does occur, what portion of earth will remain?

    MJ 8/8/2008 11:27:36 AM
    Fiar enough, and I hope your comment: "stab-in-the-dark experiment" was not an intended pun.

    Joe 8/8/2008 11:27:53 AM
    You are confusing a black poepol with a black hole. Dude seriously we are all professionals here. Stop making jokes about serious stuff...Just joking carry on.

    biobot 8/8/2008 11:28:46 AM
    There is a small but significant philosophical law that states that the burden of the proof lies with the one making the positive statement. "God exists" is a positive statement. therefore it is up to you to prove it. See my post to Fouche above. IF I posit that there is a pink unicorn up your bum or a teapot circling Mars, then it is up to me to prove it. I am not saying there is a God, you are. Prove it. you can't. Therefore, I reject your hypothesis as unscientific.

    The Truth 8/8/2008 11:34:57 AM
    And you have a problem with my name? It's not just my belief system? "Imaginery friends"?! Am I missing something here? Perhaps it is time for a stronger dose of whatever medication you are on,because you are completely missing the point of the discussion here.

    The Truth 8/8/2008 11:35:07 AM
    And you have a problem with my name? It's not just my belief system? "Imaginery friends"?! Am I missing something here? Perhaps it is time for a stronger dose of whatever medication you are on,because you are completely missing the point of the discussion here.

    Ed 8/8/2008 11:36:59 AM
    One thing I don't understand with this whole God/science debate, is why people couldn't agree on this: God created the universe. How? As the science theories suggest. We cannot deny the advancement in scicence in term of exploring the universe and everthing in it and "proving" some theories. One thing science will never tell you is why it all began. That is where "us religious fundamentalists" get the full picture. My faith in God's majesty has been made greater by seeing His work...thanks to science.

    kwk 8/8/2008 11:37:09 AM
    This is really exciting.Imagine if we can go back in time.We could settle a lot of debates once and for all.We could also check whether Elvis was really dead.We could hide in the tunnel to wait for the Di accident,and we could hide behind the furniture while the arms deal is concluded.Just before I return to the present,I would tell my naive younger self to buy Google shares.I'll tell a few poor people to stuff Fidentia.

    Fouche 8/8/2008 11:38:05 AM
    I can't see any mention of religion in my post. That says a lot of the agendas of the people attacking me. My point is to keep an open mind, on everything... Remember that once upon a time you could pay cash to have your sins forgiven.... And it was all BS in the end. But back then people were burned at the stake for not believing "the truth"...

    TF 8/8/2008 11:41:07 AM
    Earth is a flat disc mounted on four elephants standing on a giant turtle called A'Tuin

    MikeT 8/8/2008 11:41:16 AM
    the scare mongering ... the whole black whole debacle is totally being oversensationalized ... most people would probably be bored stiff if this point wasn't raised over and over again

    The Truth 8/8/2008 11:44:31 AM
    My friend,I don't have to prove it to you or any of your Popular Mechanics reading,science geek buddies who have tried to have a dig at me on this site.The proof is all around us.It is the very fact that you are alive and breathing now,along with a soul within you which gives you consciousness to ask these questions in the first place.

    The Truth 8/8/2008 11:44:43 AM
    My friend,I don't have to prove it to you or any of your Popular Mechanics reading,science geek buddies who have tried to have a dig at me on this site.The proof is all around us.It is the very fact that you are alive and breathing now,along with a soul within you which gives you consciousness to ask these questions in the first place.

    biobot 8/8/2008 11:45:12 AM
    And it's proven if you read all my posts.

    Liam 8/8/2008 11:49:00 AM
    biobot is spot on. He who asserts must prove - Philosophy 101. As I posted previously. Education dude. Education.

    Believer 8/8/2008 11:52:01 AM
    There is a lot of "Science VS God" bashing going on in here. For those of you whom are interested, go read "New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God" by Dr. Hugh Ross at http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm A bit technical but it made things very clear for me.

    zackmango 8/8/2008 11:52:10 AM
    Additional to J.O's response in which he points out "with all these experiments going on at CERN, it might actually all fall into place and provide cures for AIDS, Cancer etc": In the worst case, bad-science-fiction, scenario of a created black hole growing out of control, that should STILL solve AIDS, poverty, global warming and other problems too numerous to list. As Gomez Addams once said, "either way, what bliss!"

    Liam 8/8/2008 12:00:06 PM
    Thanks for the site. It was good for a laugh. So much misinformation. I'll pop it in my bookmarks along with www.ufosarereal.com and www.theholocaustwasfaked.com

    kwk 8/8/2008 12:00:39 PM
    If you say there is a teapot circling Mars,the best I can do is to be highly sceptical about it, since we don't have the means to disprove it.The difference between that and God,is that nothing will happen if I'm wrong and there is a teapot.If, however the consequence of denying the teapot was something unimaginably bad,I, as a rational person,would have considered the possibility of the teapot's existence,even if I ranked the probability very low.It's irrational to reject God outright

    The Truth 8/8/2008 12:03:18 PM
    for a miniscule result? Hardly seems worth the effort and money considering the starving millions in the world

    ofcorsa 8/8/2008 12:08:37 PM
    Everyone gets scared of things they dont understand, you have some on the brightest minds on the planet that are working on this... and shock horror this is not the first colider to be built ( just not so big) They have been experimenting on nuclear fission,nuclear weapons, biological weapons and the world had Bird flu, SARS , Aids , super bugs , climate change and even asteroids: All of which may kill this planet, stop being paranoid and sleep well

    Another proctologist 8/8/2008 12:09:14 PM
    Would your IPUE (Invisible Pink Unicorn Extractor) work on blue invisible unicorns too, or should a practitioner first throttle the unicorn until it turns pink prior to applying the extraction device? What are the contra-indications and risks of such a procedure? Often one finds, when extracting a large foreign object (usually a head) from this area in a patient, that a vacuum is created - any suggestions?

    Smee 8/8/2008 12:09:28 PM
    I'm guessing they'll find more than they bargained for. Let's hope it's of value.

    fouche 8/8/2008 12:12:29 PM
    Why does it take an airplane the same time to fly the same distance east and west, in windless weather? Shouldn't it reach it's destination quicker if flying against earth's rotation?

    fouche 8/8/2008 12:12:43 PM
    Why does it take an airplane the same time to fly the same distance east and west, in windless weather? Shouldn't it reach it's destination quicker if flying against earth's rotation?

    Jan 8/8/2008 12:13:06 PM
    Didn't John Titor mention that we will get this done in 2008?

    zackmango 8/8/2008 12:14:00 PM
    That's just what I was about to say. Are we the only two rational people reading this column?

    mad scientist 8/8/2008 12:17:21 PM
    @fouche - gotta love terry pratchett:-) and as a general comment: i don't see what all the fuss is about. the earth will not be wiped out by this machine. but knowledge will expand vastly and that's where the focus should lie. ps. time travel is possible. just not figured out yet - where humans can do it and not die.

    Proctologist 8/8/2008 12:18:29 PM
    This is not an answer to your question, but it made me wonder... What color does a smurf turn if you choke it?

    Plane 8/8/2008 12:22:54 PM
    No, the thime will be the same. The plane was already traveling at the same speen at which the earth is rotating. Therefore the flight time will be the same in either direction. Otherwise you should get more Km's per Liter if your car is traveling against the rotation of the earth.

    The other proctologist 8/8/2008 12:28:04 PM
    Erk - excellent question... Say, d'ya think we can get funding somewhere for a secret underground testing centre to pursue the answer?

    Mike 8/8/2008 12:31:03 PM
    Same reason a fly doesnt go splat against the back window of a moving car.

    ofcorsa 8/8/2008 12:35:26 PM
    You guys at least make fun of a crappy situation.

    biobot 8/8/2008 12:46:45 PM
    If by "unimaginably bad consequences" you mean my soul burning in a fiery hell for ever and ever then I shake my head in shame at the notion of a god who needs to assert his existence through fear and punishment. I can say to my kid, "Do as I say or else I will spank you." And he will do as I say. But will he be doing it for the right reasons?

    Godly yet worldly 8/8/2008 12:57:13 PM
    Well, this could resolve all problems... Maybe thru this a unlimited power supply is found and thru that a way to increase productivity... and destruction if you wanna be negative about it... i think its all good...

    Dizz 8/8/2008 1:01:50 PM
    I may be blowing this way out of proportion, but it is an interesting thought. If the scientists can create a black hole and controll it, we will have enough energy for the whole world, to run on 24/7. I can just imagine the amound of energy that tiny black will give off, and there we will tackle a few of the worlds problems. Polution and global warming will surely be a thing of the past. It might be a whack idea, but might the worlds greatest idea ever.

    Avatar 8/8/2008 1:05:48 PM
    For Time travel to be even possible you need to deal with another theoretical partical called Tachyons. Which according to Maverick Scientist has a negative energy value and travels faster than light. With our current understanding of physics you can, shadow experiments proved that. But don't know if it's possible in vacuum. The rest of you people are retards, if it was not for science we would still be stuck in the DarkAges, and if it was not for the DarkAges we would be a lot more advanced

    The Truth 8/8/2008 1:11:23 PM
    I refuse to bow to your's or anyone else's supposedly superior intellect in the matter of religion vs. science.The simple fact of the matter is that there exists sufficient proof to substantiate both arguments,without the one having to go all out to trash the other's beliefs in trying to prove a point.

    The Truth 8/8/2008 1:11:34 PM
    I refuse to bow to your's or anyone else's supposedly superior intellect in the matter of religion vs. science.The simple fact of the matter is that there exists sufficient proof to substantiate both arguments,without the one having to go all out to trash the other's beliefs in trying to prove a point.

    Al 8/8/2008 1:43:35 PM
    "One thing I don't understand with this whole God/science debate, is why people couldn't agree on this: God created the universe. How? As the science theories suggest." This is why: When Laplace gave Napoleon a copy of his great work, the Mecanique Celeste, Napoleon looked it over, and remarked that in this massive volume about the universe there was not a single mention of God, its creator. Laplace replied "Sire, I had no need of that hypothesis"

    BuckRogers 8/8/2008 2:41:10 PM
    Ive read all(most) of the posts above. It looks like, like allways , it has become a religion vs science thing. I have a question-statement to all.If we realy go and look at how much we realy know about either,science and God, I think anyones point of view holds as much truth as the other-only because we dont know enough about any of the above to make a comment that you can say, this is silly and this is fact.

    Eden 8/8/2008 2:49:47 PM
    I think it's good that we are advancing in science. I am a creationist but also believe in the human quest for knowledge and admire scientific search for knowledge whether they believe in God or not. Believing in God I know that this experiment will not destroy the world but will lead us further in pursuit of knowledge. I wish I was intelligent enough to comprehend all this.

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