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Alistair Fairweather

You're killing us Bill

2009-07-03 09:35

Remember the '90s? Those heady days of Grunge rock, Quentin Tarantino films, bad hair and body piercing, when Bill Gates was the richest man in the world? Oh, wait, he still is. Perhaps that explains Microsoft's latest move - it can only be the product of decades of extreme arrogance.

What's made me so angry? At the end of June Microsoft announced that they would not be using web standards in their new version of Outlook, their market leading e-mail program.

If that doesn't sound too bad, think of it this way: Microsoft have effectively said "we only care about how e-mails look when they are sent from one Outlook user to another Outlook user".

So if you use any other program, a webmail system like Gmail or (heaven help you) a Mac then e-mails from Outlook users are quite likely to look jumbled up and awful.

And the reverse is even more likely. Since Outlook uses Microsoft Word's "engine" to display e-mail, its users will not be able to see many "foreign" emails in the format they were intended to be read.

Ok, so this doesn't affect plain old text e-mails - only the fancier ones with nice formatting that use HTML (the language of the web). That doesn't excuse this high-handed and lazy decision.

But when a group of concerned e-mail-centric businesses started a Twitter-based petition to ask Microsoft to change their mind, and over 20 000 people around the world responded, did they see the error of their ways?

Nope. They "responded" on their blog by saying, effectively, "Word makes e-mails so pretty. Ooh - charts! Ooh tables with colours! We like pretty. You like pretty. Let's be friends. (Brought to you by Microsoft Corporation - prolonged use may lead to extreme stress)"

Never mind that anyone without Outlook probably won't be able to see those stinkin' charts and tables properly. Never mind that e-mails sent from Outlook are bloated to twice the size they should be by Word's awful HTML engine. Let's all just be friends.

It's this kind of myopic attitude that has seen Microsoft's share of the e-mail market shrink by 50% in the last decade. And yet they really seem to think it's still the '90s and they still rule the world of software.

Guess what guys, you're not that good anymore. In fact, you were never really that good - you were just that lucky, that rich and that unscrupulous. But now you're in third place on the internet behind Google and Yahoo, and mean old Linux and Firefox are stealing more of your customers every day.

Maybe you could just try listening a bit better? It's worked for everyone from Adobe to Salesforce.com to Facebook. Let's give it a try, shall we? What do you think guys? Hello?

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Ralph Kujawa 7/3/2009 10:07:35 AM
The arrogance of microsoft is nothing new. Consider Word, for example, every time they "upgrade" it older versions become useless as they cannot convert the new format. So because a few start buying the "upgraded" product everyone ends up being compelled to. The same applies to windows. Not even 3 years after Vista is launched we have news of a new OS. Microsoft are con-artists. Constantly creating new versions of old software to milk the consumer!

Interesting 7/3/2009 10:20:43 AM
Thanks for the informative column/article! I tend to agree with what you're saying about MS losing ground to more open minded competition

Carsten 7/3/2009 10:24:52 AM
Jeepers, you really got out on the wrong side of the bed this morning. Get a life. If you don't like it, stop using it. Spare us the bitching please.

Andre 7/3/2009 10:56:18 AM
Go Alistair.... I've moved from Microsoft to Ubuntu Linux with Thunderbird as my mail client. Guess what it never freezes, it's FREE, constant updates, no viruses, and the list continues. Microsoft is slowly killing itself very slowly. Go Mac and Linux, listening to your clients works, Microsoft haven't learnt that yet. Little things like iPhones, Android and others will move people into other operating systems like Mac and Linux - sit back and enjoy the show!

Div 7/3/2009 10:57:29 AM
Microsoft has a monopoly in the market, so that means they don't have to listen - everybody else must just comply... Until there is a viable alternative! Let's hope that will be soon!

Francois 7/3/2009 11:00:56 AM
Why do people always try to make it sound worse than it actually is when it comes to all things Microsoft? Go Google (or Bing) a bit more and you'll realise that you're overreacting. You'll still be able to read mail from other email programs. And they will still be able to read mail sent from Outlook. Here and there you might find a little glitch with something that's incompatible, but you'll still be able to read the email. Do a little research before writing an article next time...

Tiaan 7/3/2009 11:01:51 AM
Microsoft responding to user demands? Right, like that's ever going to happen. As an developer myself, I can't express my hatred for MS's policy of not complying to web standards. These days I mostly work on web apps with lots of javascript doing client side work. This means I usually end up writing two sets of code. One for MS, one for everything else! For a company with all their resources you'd think they would hire competent people. Guess not.

Gareth de Vaux 7/3/2009 11:05:45 AM
Maybe I'm just a purist but if you want to talk about standards then HTML shouldn't be part of your emails in the first place. I can't read your pretty mails properly just as you won't be able to read outlook's properly.

Bernadine Best 7/3/2009 11:07:41 AM
Much ado about nothing!

Nick 7/3/2009 11:11:47 AM
Microsoft stinks! Period, susch a pity I am forced to use it but I will be rethinking that one on my next PC purchase.

Hmmm 7/3/2009 11:11:49 AM
Maybe I should just WRITE a letter on PAPER and POST it with a STAMP...

Lee 7/3/2009 11:12:08 AM
Brilliant Alistair. Well said. I agree with you. Long live Thunderbird! (and Firefox)!! I found that even Outlook 2007 was less useful that its predecessor and have therefore converted to Thunderbird - forever. Not only is "Bill killings us" but possibly MS is killing itself ... oh goody.

Dale 7/3/2009 11:12:36 AM
What is the web standard anyways. The W3C doesn't seem to apply to all these other browsers neither. Seems like everyone just goes for their own standard. IE being around for as long as it has most proberly would be the leader in standards anyways.

CTheB 7/3/2009 11:19:24 AM
Microsoft, care about customers? That'll be the day. This is the same company that has specialists employed just to deal with selection of licencing options on the company's products because they're carefully obfuscated to make sure that as few people as possible can understand them and know what they're paying and what they're getting for that money.

turbo_superboss 7/3/2009 11:20:31 AM
if this makes you angry then I don't want to know how you react to a blue screen.

Steve 7/3/2009 11:21:26 AM
Alistair, whay are you angry, if you don't like it, don't use it. And if their share drops enough they will be forced to change, that is the way of the world isn't it? Or do I sense a touch of jealousy here.

Rean 7/3/2009 11:22:28 AM
Amen brother

Stryder 7/3/2009 11:37:05 AM
Oh Microsoft is sooooo evil. If that is the case then why are they ontop. Why did they get into a position to controll the market. I run "wintel" machines and never look back. Also realistically, if microsft were to make an email client that is completely incompatible with any other email clients then no one would use it. Or would get a scenario, like Open Office, where the other email clients will make theirs compatible with Microsoft. Now stop being so hysterical and calm down.

Andre 7/3/2009 11:37:49 AM
Doesn't anyone check these articles for accuracy?

According to you:
"when a group of concerned e-mail-centric businesses started a Twitter-based petition..."

Fact:
"Campaign Monitor made a stand and created FixOutlook.org"
Campaign Monitor (www.campaignmonitor.com) is a company who does email marketing and sells email templates. Obviously they have a problem if Microsoft doesn't use the "standard" that they've been using. That doesn't mean that their html version is the standard for everyone else. There are no current stardard for html, MS even said they'll change if something like that get's agreed on.

The difference in formatting isn't even that big, have a look yourself.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3322/3637814200_a2aa59bc89_o.jpg

A bit different, but hardly an issue to get excited over.

Their share in the email market also didn't shrink because of things like this, but rather because of the increase in home users who use personal email like Gmail. A decade ago most email user only used company email (Microsoft), so obviously that would've changed.

Maybe just reasearch a little better? What do you think? Will you give it a try? Hello???




Houston 7/3/2009 11:38:47 AM
Shame, leave Uncle Bill alone, I'm sure you're not so scathing of the billions of dollars he gives to charity each year. Besides that, formatting of email for business users is actually quite important, if not, most organisation would be using webmail.

JHB 7/3/2009 11:48:26 AM
The thing I hate the most is that it is so difficult to buy a computer without Windows installed.
Microsoft used to only give discounts if a company sells all their computers with Windows on - not sure how it works these days, but still difficult to find a computer without an OS.

I switched to OpenSuSE and OpenOffice about 4 years ago, but must say I am in two minds if I want many users to switch, because I like the fact that there is no viruses at this stage.

cside 7/3/2009 11:54:13 AM
Well said. I support open software and free software. Mozilla is an amazing product, and over the last two years I have switched to almost exclusive use of Ubuntu, so much so that my wife now runs her business from only using Ubuntu software. Some of it may be clunky but the best is it is all FREE. There is nothing like paying for software that could turn out to be clunky like Win95, Win ME etc.... I dream one day that we will get good software at reasonable prices, that talk to other software.

afzal 7/3/2009 11:58:05 AM
I think that the MS Word document is in ODF so that would allow other clients to inter operate with Outlook mails, unfortunately appointments will continue to be a major dissapointment.

Robert 7/3/2009 12:17:24 PM
Okay... I'm officially pissed. Not at Microsoft, but at those blasting them - You the author. Why have Microsoft moved Outlook from HTML to Word... well, they didn't really have a choice. By being forced by standards (in this case the EU anti-trust issues). MS have been forced to remove IE (yes, their HTML application) from Windows 7 (Ask.com it!). So they just moved over to something that was already part of their Office package. Sadly this was their best option.

Maybe we should stick to voting for protocol with our hard earned pennies. Oh, wait we have and MS is still tops.

Sadly, because I am a Linux user but just keeping it real.

money-moan-i 7/3/2009 12:22:24 PM
oh pls, sounds like coca-cola vs pepsi, atari vs nintendo, VHS vs Betamax.....MS vs Linux and open source...get a life !

John 7/3/2009 12:25:58 PM
I moved over to Apple Mac's and their software 3 years ago - and I have never looked back. I now own two iMac's and a MacBook Pro. Damn....Apple's hardware and software are light years ahead of MS. I should have switched years ago. One thing is for sure, I won't go back to MS. You can still run MS office and other Microsoft software on it if you really need to. I say vote with your wallet - MS will soon catch a wake up if they lose market share.

007boer 7/3/2009 12:26:32 PM
I must say that I've never had a problem with viewing Microsoft Office files in Open Office or Outlook emails in Mozilla Thunderbird. Gmail in all fairness tends to mangle any HTML formatted email, not just Outlook's.

Bridget 7/3/2009 12:33:30 PM
friends don't let friends buy microsoft

Open Source Lover 7/3/2009 12:49:54 PM
i laugh at people using and backing any microsoft products...one...you don't gain any respect from doing that...two...you need to pay a lot for a hoax of a product and then lastly open source is there for the community...that includes you.

Henry 7/3/2009 1:03:43 PM
Another prime example includes the time when Service Pack 1 for Windows 2000 fixed exactly the same glithes as Service Pack 1 on Windows NT4 ... you have to give it to these guys, they sell the same s#$t over and over, obviously with a little facelift, and we all buy it !!! That is now those of us who believe in paying for Microsoft products, which thankfully, is a nearly extinct breed.

KimPossible 7/3/2009 1:11:45 PM
I think you will find that MS were in fact "that good" at ONE STAGE. I think that should be fairly obvious!

frikkie 7/3/2009 1:13:50 PM
and the little box said 'this program will only run on windows XP or better.' so i installed linux

Trumpi 7/3/2009 1:15:28 PM
Hey bro: Bill Gates has retired. Please direct your frustrations to Steve Ballmer from now on.

Jason 7/3/2009 1:23:39 PM
This is precisely why I'm moving to Opensource software. IMO Thunderbird is just as good as Outlook and Firefox better than IE. Slowly but surely companies are bringing out replacements of Uncle Bill's products.

Micro$oft have unfortunately become too big for their boots....

C# 7/3/2009 1:39:43 PM
Do you honestly believe MS would take all those anti-trust law suits lying down? Its payback time me thinks.

Confucious 7/3/2009 1:39:54 PM
Jealousy makes you nasty.... By the way, Bill Gates is not involved with Microsoft anymore.

Eben Terblanche 7/3/2009 1:40:06 PM
Get over it. Use OpenOffice or something of the like.

pattata 7/3/2009 1:40:31 PM
Damn Straight! I swear at Windows every day. What makes it worse is that I'm used to the superior performance (and functionality) of my Linux box at home, while I have to endure slow response, memory problems, occasional freezes etc just because we have to use pretty Vista at work.

Chris 7/3/2009 1:49:36 PM
Saying "Bill is killing us" is rather fallacious. Bill Gates does not run M$ and hasn't done for quite some time, he does not make the decisions for the company any more.I do agree that the practices of M$ is wrong but you have to remember that things such as conforming to web standards is not their strong suite. IE6, still the most used web browser, was never standards compliant which has been hindering the proper development of the nice work of W3. As for Windows 7 coming out so soon after Vista, it's directly linked to how terrible Vista was and if you look at the Kernel versions it hasn't gone from 6 -> 7 but from 6 -> 6.1 which is another thing they've shafted themselves with. Their insistence to charge full upgrade price for Vista Ultimate to 7 Ultimate is beyond stupid when they are giving up to 50% 'upgrading' to Home Premium or Professional leaving some poor people to do clean installs instead of upgrading straight.Doesn't bother me in the least, at least I can do "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade && apt-get dist-upgrade" and receive the latest versions of every piece of software I have installed. The life of freedom :)

kwk 7/3/2009 2:06:03 PM
Microsoft won't change.Maybe we should. But we are not bold enough.Which sizable company will be the first realise that Open Office and gmail can achieve the same as MS Office? We need to put our money...(O wait, Open Office is free)..err our savings, where our mouths are.

Joe 7/3/2009 2:07:17 PM
Francois:
Almost sounds like you just work in Windows. If not then you are clueless. There are numerous email clients out there none of them will support the 'new standard' (GMail Yahoo mail, KMail, Thunderbird, Evolution - to name a few)
It all depends on what the default is, and I'm sure it will be said Word format. So everyone that doesn't have the new Outlook will not be able to read those emails.

Rus 7/3/2009 2:09:28 PM
Storm in a teacup actually, like many others posted already. You dont like it dont use it. Simple.

Thats funny considering that in SA everything is under a monopoly of sorts and I think its more important to discuss those topics than the email you open. Please stop bickering about trivial stuff.

Richard 7/3/2009 2:13:36 PM
Bill Gates - Microsoft - FANTASTIC; BRILLIANT. MS would have 99% market share, but for the jealous "competition" who had to get court orders to break up their brilliance! GO MS GO.

TB 7/3/2009 2:15:01 PM
@ Ralph Kujawa: I agree with you. People who are using the upgraded version constantly send you Word files that you can't open. Very irritating. (Then you have to request a resend in the Word 97 - 2003 version.) Very annoying!!!

nick 7/3/2009 2:15:08 PM
@ Div 7/3/2009 10:57:29 AM
I cant believe people still think there is no viable alternative. I have not used Outlook/MS for the last 5 years - and NEVER will again. I just laugh at everyone else still battling on...

Ian 7/3/2009 2:23:57 PM
Fact is that your comments only affect business users. Home gamers will not use Linux or Mac because they don't support games. (Or if they do, it is at a price).
Windows forever!

Hennie 7/3/2009 2:35:24 PM
You just proofed that you do not know anything. Bill stepped down from MS long time ago.

xp 7/3/2009 2:39:51 PM
I use Thunderbird for email and Firefox for a web browser and NEVER looked back! Please support these other options. Now to begin using Open Office!

IE is NOT standards-based and has never been! It is clunky, pathetic and "ready for bed"

Stryder@TB 7/3/2009 2:50:12 PM
TB, software generations move along. If you had bothered to type a little google search, or ask your IT guy for help , you would know that MICROSOFT released a patch that enables users of older versions to open Office 2007 files.

dunc 7/3/2009 2:57:25 PM
The irony being... that had MS not grown as they have and expanded the pc market as they did... there is a very good chance none of us would be sitting here reading this article on a "pc". Sure there are alternatives NOW, but these are only spurred on by the conception of flaws or shortcomings in the MS products, the market probably would not have been as big as it is today. As for no viruses on linux.. just wait for the day, if it ever happens, that linux is the predominant desktop OS and watch how the holes in linux are exposed. its purely the nature of the beast.. go after the biggest target and ignore the little ones.

roynec 7/3/2009 3:00:28 PM
This comment is sent via Ubuntu (Linux) and goes to show that there is a viable alternative to the MS c@#p that we have allowed ourselves to be manipulated into buying....viva opensource, viva!!!!

Karen 7/3/2009 3:37:01 PM
Bill Gates isn't even in charge anymore, you arrogant twat.

FD 7/3/2009 3:45:08 PM
If you do not like Microsoft you can always follow the advice of a few of the comments and install Linux. At least you will get what you pay for....

Vims 7/3/2009 3:46:57 PM
@nick. Most people are not very computer literate and are forced to use Outlook by the organisations they work in. The IT guys generally don't allow people to use other email clients and getting anything else to work with MS Exchange is like trying to fit an elephant through a pinhole.

CTheB 7/3/2009 3:47:33 PM
@Andre - I find it odd that you consider two vastly different renderings of the same content to be almost the same (yes, it's about rendering standards, not html standards). They barely look anything alike. If that were my content getting mangled like that I'd be pissed off.
I'm curious to know why it's not possible to use the standard that browsers are supposed to use (that MS famously generally hasn't and that led to many pages not rendering properly in any browser other than IE until the authors updated the pages to cater for different browsers' rendering peculiarities).
It's true that this author, like others, ignores the fact that other clients also don't support the browser rendering standard or acknowledge that the email standard isn't finalised yet. That doesn't change the fact that MS has a long history of trying to lock people into their propietary "standards" to the point of refusing to let anyone see how the office files are rendered. OpenOffice (horrible as it is) still has regular problems with files I create in MS Office. That's now more to do with problems in OpenOffice, but previously it was because MS didn't want people able to use it's files in anything other than Office (or software to which it licenced the technology).
While the home user market using products like GMail will have made an impact, actions like this definitely do drive people away from MS. After all, it means people are choosing those over use of Outlook Express as well. I also know numerous people who've moved away from MS because of practices like this.
MS has done some good things. Office works exceptionally well and blows offerings like OpenOffice away (I've tried to use it, but the rendering is just awful to look at and it's just nowhere near as easy to use except for the most basic things). C# is a great language to develop in (though it was MS's response to being told to bugger off by Sun when they wanted to impose their own stuff on Java). But there are numerous major blemishes on what they've done and their behaviour has often been directed at stomping on competition and often at the expense of the customer (who's locked into using MS tech through legacy or the environment in which they operate or whatever).

JJ 7/3/2009 3:47:34 PM
I think there are better things to complain about. Let Bill Gates do woteva the hell he wants, besides did he not do enuff for pc users in the past. The man is a legend and he'll die a legend. He became the richest man in the world because of the way he ran his business, so who the hell are we to tell him any different. Now get on with it!

Nicksten 7/3/2009 3:54:37 PM
I have recently installed Kubuntu - I will never ever buy any microsoft product again. Linux rule -> WINDOWS SUCK!

@MS Lovers 7/3/2009 3:58:08 PM
Microsoft does not have a clue what standards are.
Majority of applications written on any other platform are able to be ported to microsoft how come the majority of software written on microsoft can't be ported to Linux. I'll tell you why there is the logical way and then there is the Microsoft way.
Personally bad enough schools having to find funds to pay for a PC, worse are having them to pay for the software on it.

Bazza 7/3/2009 4:12:35 PM
Seriously people... what corporation of any significant size runs on anything other than Windows and Office. It's the way of the world, and it will stay that way a long time from now. Sure there are things that MS could and should change, but I'll stick with them for the shear usablilty of the systems. They work.. on any computer I've ever made... MS installs... and runs. there may be a glitch here and there, but atleast I dont need to have some computer geek in the middle on nowhere write an linux driver for an outdated or updated soundcard.

@ TB seriously... Office 2007 when coming out with the .***x (ie .docx and .xlsx) file type came out with an update for the older ms office 2003 so that they could read the newer file systems. Just search it in google or bing. IT's A FREE DOWNLOAD.... oh look at that something free! Yes they do that! Like it or not.. MS is here to stay.

dave 7/3/2009 4:33:13 PM
i have used the internet since 2e (apple for u under 18) and one thing that hits me is that windows is the most brilliant and backed up piece of tech than a person can buy. It is never ending in its depth..with free updates.. come off guys its america at its best

Bruce Button 7/3/2009 4:48:03 PM
It's easy - just switch to Thunderbird!

edward 7/3/2009 5:46:24 PM
microsoft has flown high & far. not far enough from me for my taste. iam being forced to upgrade to vista because some of my clients send .docx files. argh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

whites4zuma.co.za 7/3/2009 5:57:11 PM
Its funny to hear people complain about Microsoft, when they have no chance of being able to do their computing in the very basic versions of Dos, before Bill Gates came and revolutionised the world. If you dont like it, dont use it.

mickey 7/3/2009 5:58:20 PM
gmail and google chrome are so much better anyway so who cares...

whites4zuma.co.za 7/3/2009 6:02:37 PM
Just use Open Office for ALL your office requirement and Mozilla Thunderbird for email....sorted. I am a software developer, trust me.

retief 7/3/2009 6:45:09 PM
This could just be the move that helps to hasten Micro$oft's demise. I moved to Ubuntu Linux about 2 years ago with Open Office, Thunderbird, Firefox, etc., and have never looked back. There is another option: a wonderful, effective, real standards based world of computing that exists outside Micro$oft's bug- and virus-ridden arrogant control. Go Linux!

kal 7/3/2009 6:50:28 PM
Free Thunderbird/Yahoo for e-mail and Open Office for word editing
- very happy

Postcolonialist 7/3/2009 7:06:00 PM
@Robert 7/3/2009 12:17:24 PM - if you're not in IT then STAY OUT! If you are, you need a T-shirt reading "I*m with STUPID". Requiring IE to be an optional component has ZERO to do with supporting HTML or not in a mail client. I have been coding and generally getting my hands dirty in IT for over 25 years ... including some deep web work. Please O Please DO NOT make slightly informed comments. The likelihood of embarassing error is HIGH. You struck gold.

Neil 7/3/2009 7:16:45 PM
Not being a coffee shop yuppie whose life revolves around emails, facebook, etc. I can only laugh at this article. There are actually companies and people out there who use computers to do real work - not just geeking around trying to imitate MS products on Linux or Macs. Bring me top line CAD Software that can run on anything other than windows and still be as versatile and able to talk to other programs without the user needing an IT qualification, then we can talk again.

Who really cares if the other person can see some bells and whistles on my e-mail - as long as they get the message and my attachments, I'm happy - business goes on.

Thanks MS for making computers usable for everybody and not just nerds and yuppies!

Deon 7/3/2009 7:23:49 PM
Please get your facts straight. Microsoft IS listening to their customers, you guys just don't notice it. BTW Windows 7 is better than Vista, so stop dishing the launch of the new O/S, it is very very welcome. As for the MAC comment, use Entourage boet...

Pietie 7/3/2009 7:54:12 PM
ALL email will be readable. Do some research before posting (*&(*)_!!!

Robert 7/3/2009 7:55:11 PM
haaaha, most of you are jus jelous, MS is the most proffessional company doing real work and real business. If you want free things then go for them.i gues u are the same ppl who will drive in a 120y and still ask why its not as fast as mercE320. for you to get out of the 120y you need to get more money then ugrade to a merc ummm makes sense to me

Asok 7/3/2009 9:16:17 PM
Outlook is intended for business use between Outlook users. For private/home use you can use live mail etc. If you have old versions of Ms Office, you can download (for free) an update that allows you to open Office 2007 docs.
Nothing here to see, moving along...

Emil 7/3/2009 9:17:49 PM
COmparing the 2 layouts, Outlook 2010 looks pathetic. They will need to fix that fast, else they will have a vista scenario for office 2010.

No MS fan 7/3/2009 9:19:34 PM
KimPossible: "I think you will find that MS were in fact "that good" at ONE STAGE. I think that should be fairly obvious!"

You're quite right! That was when DOS was still around.

Emil 7/3/2009 9:19:57 PM
@TB - There is a free converter for office 2007 files, that alloows you to open them on older office packages, and yes, it is free. Check on the web for office 2007 document converter or so.

ouklip 7/3/2009 9:43:22 PM
In the 70's and 80's IBM was the bullyboy, now its Nicrosoft. Whatchout what you wish for it might come true. Bill has nothing to to with the day to day running since 2008. Find the new bully boy.

Ben 7/3/2009 10:09:47 PM
This article is ill informed propaganda. Using a full blown HTML engine in your e-mail client is a very bad idea from a security point of view. Using word gives you the HTML required to share the information from the rest of the office system in the same easy manner as when using word. So what if the formatting is a little off in certain other mail clients. Re-using existing components makes business sense and is not some evil conspiracy. Stop re-hashing internet fanboi propaganda and try writing a real unbiased article.

Gerhard 7/3/2009 11:03:59 PM
For the more security aware I would like to point out that the usage of HTML (the language of the web... mmmm...) is a security weakness and allows massive amounts of exploits. The pretty image that just came into your mailbox actually delivered something malicious and already installed it while you were viewing it.

The reality is therefore that taking a stance that Outlook will not be HTML compliant means more secure communication.

Most HTML format emails that has been forwarded through a couple of mail servers look like garbage anyway (Exchange to Domino and back for instance) so I don't think we're going to see anything different.

Big noise about nothing

Elkart 7/4/2009 3:24:10 AM
You need Microsoft office at all. Outlook is replaced by Mozilla Thunderbird and Openoffice does the job same Microsoft office. It's free...

Brutis Slaboslakowitz 7/4/2009 3:31:12 AM
Wow!! stop using it pal, no need to get pissed off here..I hope u did not pay for ur copy lol

GROW UP! 7/4/2009 4:51:27 AM
Uhm ... I'm no major fan of Microsoft myself, but I think people need to grow up a bit. Microsoft's business ethic may stink to high heaven, but they're not stupid. They know all too well that they're losing market share, and whatever the new version of Oulook may or may not lack, it won't make it unusable. No two products made by different groups of people work PERFECTLY with NO glitches any way. OpenOffice does NOT open MS Office files flawlessly, nor does it convert its own files to MS Office format flawlessly. I know because I've tested these conversions thoroughly. And it is NOT impossible to open Office 2007 files with Office 2003 - all you need is a patch which you can download FREE from Microsoft's web site. I take care of software and systems for one of the KZN govt. departments. We don't have sufficient budget to convert all 1000 of our computer users from Office 2003 to Office 2007 just to be able to open files coming into the department in Office 2007 format. So I deployed the patch across the department and guess what - we didn't spend a cent (of taxpayers money) in the process and we don't have ANY difficulties opening Office 2007 files any more. It's NOT necessary to ask for the file to be resent in Office 97-2003 format as TB says - all it takes is a LITTLE effort to download and install a patch to Office 2003. And I've had nothing but ecstatic comments from the few users we HAVE moved to Office 2007 (+- 20 in all, our deputy director-general included) - same goes for Windows Vista. I can certainly understand people who use opensource at home - private individuals do not have the money to buy Microsoft products, and free-of-charge alternatives can do what a home user needs done just as well as Microsoft. But the situation changes in a corporate environment. You pay Microsoft a once-off licensing fee and you've got life-time support from Microsoft free of charge. You download and install opensource products for free BUT, when you need support on those products, you need to take out support contracts that cost you a heap of money EVERY YEAR. Within a few years you've paid more than you would have paid Microsoft once-off, AND YOU JUST GO ON PAYING. Both approaches have their strengths and weaknesses, and sound business decisions are based on careful research to understand the facts, careful analysis of the options and a thorough investigation into the total cost of ownership over a system's lifetime - not just its purchase price. Sound business decisions are NOT made based on hysterical, emotional responses like the ones I'm reading here. And last of all, for heaven's sake, if you don't like something DON'T USE IT!!! No-one is forcing anyone to use anything they don't like. If you don't like Microsoft, use something else, but base your decision on what will work for YOU and YOUR pocket, and stop "laughing at" and chiding others whose decisions don't happen to be the same as yours. In short - GROW UP!

LOL@MAC 7/4/2009 6:35:36 AM
I personally enjoy the Mac fanboy comments here. Wake up people, Apple is by FAR the worst when it comes to proprietary BS and trust-forming policies. The hardware was crap before and is slowly getting better as Mac's hardware is swapped for mainstream PC hardware (only more expensive, the little Apple decal isn't free you know...).
The shear minuscule proportion of their market share shields their despicable practices from the public eye--along the same lines as Mac's security from obscurity.
Linux trumps all, and with distributions like Ubuntu seeing unheard of popularity, stability and support, even Mac-tards have no excuse to keep plunking away at their idiot-proof glorified art tables.
Can't buy a PC without Winblows? Build your own, reputable on-line vendors will do all the assembly work, install a Linux distribution du jour and you'll get a better PC and free software for life.

Frankc 7/4/2009 8:12:12 AM
Amen Nick. I bet all those pro-windows people never tried any other software program, any other shoes, dress, suit, underwear, route, vacation destination and anything different ever.

maclover 7/4/2009 8:37:02 AM
see the light... GET A MAC!!! you pc's don't know what you're missing :)

Frankc 7/4/2009 8:44:50 AM
You misunderstood Alistair. Charging R1138.86 per support request the "problems" is deliberate in order to boost support income. http://support.microsoft.com/oas/default.aspx?&gprid=11737&

Nina 7/4/2009 8:49:25 AM
Interesting article - my husband, who is a programmer, would definitely agree with you. Just a quick note on the facts of your article... as far as I remember (from statistics that I read recently) Bill Gates isn't the richest man in the world. If I'm not mistaken, Warren Buffet is the richest man in the world, and Bill Gates comes in at Number 4 on the list. Might be worth checking out and correcting your article if necessary. Good writing though!

CYBERNERD 7/4/2009 9:17:58 AM
what a joke. all the half wits with their insipid little opinions. how have you changed the world. what have you done for me. nothing ad infinitum. all you have is your mouth to try and sound important. you are just the usual run of the mill of ingrates.

Azi 7/4/2009 9:20:32 AM
What about innovation in your world of standards? And FYI, Microsoft does listen to its customers. All those millions and millions of customers. Who are mostly business users. Who want better communication. With more capability. That isn't limited to standards derived from CHUI-based thinking 20 years ago.

William 7/4/2009 9:29:46 AM
Linux!!! It's free and getting better and better. Jaunty Jackalope is the latest distribution of Ubuntu. Get it and stop complaining about MS

Tjaart 7/4/2009 9:51:12 AM
Why did you not complain when Office 2007 was launched? see http://blogs.msdn.com/outlook/archive/2009/06/24/the-power-of-word-in-outlook.aspx

Mumbojumbo 7/4/2009 9:51:22 AM
shutup already! If it wasn't for Bill and Microsoft 95% of you wouldn't have owned a computer , let alone know how to send an email, find the calculator, have a groovy screensaver and all your holiday pics on pc.
Nobody forces you to use Windows or Outlook or mediaplayer. Windows and all its components are definately not flawless, but it is easy to use (or so you would think).
Next time install linux its just as free as windows :P

BASIE PIEK 7/4/2009 9:52:46 AM
Bill Gates has not been the richest man in the world for quite some time now doofus.

Simon 7/4/2009 10:07:56 AM
If you don't lke it, don't use it. My problem with microsoft is that they do force their crappy OS's down our throats. If Windows 7 is anythiing less than stellar, I'll be typing on a mac this time next year...

stranger 7/4/2009 10:31:12 AM
It's a very simple application of the golden rule: The one with the gold, makes the rules.

Interloper 7/4/2009 10:47:57 AM
You say: "Guess what guys, you're not that good anymore. In fact, you were never really that good - you were just that lucky, that rich and that unscrupulous". You have got to be kidding!!! Can you imagine where the world be today without MS??? I am a technologist run more than one IT company and we ALWAYS have issues with open source software; or rather significantly more than with MS products cause their stuff is tested properly. MS bashing is so last season sweetie ;) (Also I don't think you really have the background or knowledge to make comments such as there Alistair)

H 7/4/2009 11:05:14 AM
If you haven't figure it out yet, it's all about money, and not the users anymore. Look at Vista, look at Office 2007. Who cares about the normal user when they can make money all the time, because we are too into technology...
Windows 3.1 still works pretty well. LOL!

Juan 7/4/2009 12:15:27 PM
MS knows the writing is on the wall for them! Hence the draconian reaction to the Open Source World. As soon as South Africa can sort out its bandwidth issues, fat clients like MS Outlook & Office will be something of the past. Why buy Office if there is alternatives like Symphony from IBM that one can use. The whole MS licensing thing boarders on fraud! Viva Open Source! Viva Web Products!

Gavin 7/4/2009 12:40:18 PM
Gotta agree with Francois. This is overhyped myopic issue that really won't change much. I you don't like it use something else.

Mac User 7/4/2009 12:56:07 PM
Once you go Mac you never go back. You have the best of both worlds an OS based on Unix ie. real permissions, no viruses, stuff just work and really polished Windowing System. All the things MS has, have been copied and bastardized from Apple.

Jo 7/4/2009 1:33:10 PM
Alistair, what you have said is spot on. Outlook and IE make development an absolute nightmare for UI designers. They are eons behind other applications where it comes to web standards. Sadly applying fixes and hacks to IE and having to conform to MS words backwards html rendering takes time, therefore money. Which in turn I bill my client for if they would like this functionality. Its costing everyone money, time and definitely a few grey hairs.

To the few people who have said "If you don't like it don't use it." It's not as simple as that. Web standards are there for a reason for web developers to use as guidelines to make sure content renders correctly for 'you' the user. Web standards make sure content renders correctly from platforms, from your computer web browser, email application, mobile phone and even now your Television Browser. Without web standards the internet can not evolve.

A Fan 7/4/2009 2:37:36 PM
What are u nuts, you complain too much....Make your own and lets see how it works. These things involves a lot of micro programs meaning it's hard to spot a mistake. I guess you're a politian......talk talk talk......and you do nothing

Couldn't care less 7/4/2009 4:35:41 PM
So of all you whiners, who has contributed to OSS or at least donated to the thousands of developers out there making non-MS software? Put up or shut up

Zonk 7/4/2009 4:45:39 PM
I am proud to be associated with Microsoft and OUTLOOK is good.

El Diablo .Net 7/4/2009 7:50:08 PM
It's only email... what's all the fuss about? If you want fancy formatting, add a fancy formatted attachment.

Ken 7/4/2009 9:01:49 PM
Microsoft just need to learn a little bit of Ubuntu.

zelrik 7/4/2009 9:06:44 PM
I dont know what is Outlook...wait I know what it is!! Isnt it that mailing program on Windows that never worked??? I tried to use it a decade ago, it sucked so much I even forgot how it looks like.

Robert 7/4/2009 9:47:04 PM
I love Microsoft. They made me rich in the UK and I could live the life of Riley.

When a fund manager's pc had problems, I could phone Microsoft UK, with the knowledge that the person on the other side must attend to my problem, otherwise he/she gets fired.

Received the patch from Microsoft the very same day.

Can Linux do that for you?

Nicole 7/4/2009 10:36:22 PM
Alistair, you have a very amateur view of what market Microsoft is actually playing in. I agree... do your research properly.

OSS 7/4/2009 11:19:47 PM
I have one question for all you anti-Microsofters of the world, do you either add to the development of the Open Source Software you so vehemently support or at least donate towards it? This MS vs other debate is so quickly taken up by the overreactionary nature of society but as usual no support is given when an alternate solution is required. Just look at everyone up in arms against Eskom, is anyone offering a viable alternative or at least showing a solid stance by reducing power, going green or putting money into their own power generation? The same goes for the petrol price. STOP THE NOISE AND START SOME ACTION!! A petition group on twitter or facebook is as useless as posting anonymously to the comment section on a news site.

zaheer 7/4/2009 11:53:40 PM
plain text email ftw! get with the program, bill aint in charge no more!

zaheer 7/4/2009 11:55:16 PM
can anyone say F.U.D?!

Chad 7/5/2009 1:26:37 AM
HAHA.. Linux is starting to overtake Microsoft? Where do you get this stuff?

haha...

PGenes 7/5/2009 7:34:20 AM
Did this columnist actually read the blog at http://blogs.msdn.com/outlook/archive/2009/06/24/the-power-of-word-in-outlook.aspx?

It does not seem so. If you don't like Microsoft that's fine, but it's simply unprofessional to manufacture reasons for it.

Dirk Short 7/5/2009 7:35:28 AM
Note how over-sensitive certain some of the replies are. That is a typical trait of Microsoft Junkies. They've done the course, have the sweatshirt, and Bill walks on water – please don't criticize! Meanwhile life has passed them by and they haven't noticed that Linux courses are free, Apple T-shirt are pretier, and Steve Jobs has layers.

James 7/5/2009 7:57:26 AM
Complaining about Microsoft is like complaining about the government. Nobody hears you.

Michael Vella 7/5/2009 8:17:04 AM
Anyone accepts that Microsoft is the standard will get what they deserve. Microsoft does not care about the consumer, hell they do not care about their staff (they did not have to retrench, just take a cut in profits) just profit. Open source will become the standard.

Mozilla's Thunderbird is far superior to Outlook and allows you to control spam. My mantra is: Microsoft Sucks! Linux Rocks!

sTEF 7/5/2009 8:36:33 AM
I dont think you know anything in the IT world!!! grow up Alistair!!! Yes there is alternates but please do some homework on the subject before you make such idiotic statements!!!

Karin Steenkamp 7/5/2009 8:49:48 AM
Now that is why Open Source is the way forward. Microsoft is becoming obsolete.
Open Source is getting better everyday and soon everyone will be using it. Sorry MS Office, good bye Microsoft and its Corporate Monopoly.

Ma'aji 7/5/2009 8:50:38 AM
I am proud to be associated with Microsoft with their technological break throug especially OUTLOOK 2007. Only novice will comment badly if they are new to computer World or badly introduce to the communication world of email[ling].

boet 7/5/2009 10:20:11 AM
ie6 is the bane of my life. Why God why?

boet 7/5/2009 10:27:56 AM
@Dale 7/3/2009 11:12:36 AM, Bru, you need to give me some of the stuff your smoking

boet 7/5/2009 10:37:10 AM
IT manager: Our new app has to be cross browser compatible.
boet: nods.
It Manager: Including ie6.
boet: *starts crying like a 5 year old girl*

Anonymous 7/5/2009 10:46:08 AM
Who cares! Lets rather look at something else thats pretty...Alistair Fairweather ur such a hunk!

Andrew 7/5/2009 11:51:43 AM
@Ralph. The file format stayed the same from 1997 to 2006. Office 2007 brought a new open XML based file format which is a standard now and being ope and documented - there are backwards compatibility portions which are difficult - means that there are now numerous supported libraries for authoring Office XML documents programmatically. A blessing for someone like me who needs to be able to do this. Microsoft has released a plugin which allows Office 2003 to read and write the new format.

Microsoft has also releases a plugin so that Office 2007 can read and write the Open Office XML format.

But are you seriously saying that they should never make improvements?

Ryan 7/5/2009 11:59:23 AM
Having switched to Ubuntu Linux at home 3 years ago (have just upgraded to Jaunty) and being forced to use XP at work every day, I can honestly say there is NO competition, Linux wins hands down. why pay insane amounts for ms which doesn't even measure up?? Dont tell the author to do his research, do your own and you will discover which is the better OS

Andrew 7/5/2009 12:00:19 PM
I have often had to create templates for HTML email to be used in creating these email newsletters on the fly. Email is difficult because it was only intended to be plain text. There are hundreds of email clients out there with different support for HTML and CSS.

The Micorosft decision was very painful to me, but their argument is not that unsound. Previously Microsoft used the Internet Explorer rendering engine for displaying HTML emails, but the Word engine for authoring as the IE8 engine was not suitable for authoring. So if you received an email it would look fine, but click forward and the whole thing would break. By reverting to using the Word engine for viewing and authoring the inconsistencies disappear.

I my opinion they should not have regressed though. They should have brought it up to IE standard before releasing Office 2007.

Andrew 7/5/2009 12:08:24 PM
@Robert. You are correct in saying Internet Explorer is removed for the EU, but the rendering engine is still included. It has to be or it would break thousands of applications. Outlook could have continued to use the rendering engine as before.

Linux_user 7/5/2009 1:15:40 PM
What is Outlook again? What is M$? Ohh I see, that crappy OS and email client. It is so last decade!

Peter 7/5/2009 1:24:39 PM
Obviously there is a reason most people\corporations use the overpriced, restrictive software from Microsoft. It's easy to use... Adapt or die.

johann 7/5/2009 4:15:04 PM
Get a Mac, problem solved.

Jack 7/5/2009 4:35:53 PM
If MS's competitors was so blasted great, why don't they come up with the technology to assist their supporters? Seems they will have to rely on "Court Orders" again to break the "monopoly". They simply do not have the answers to help you "pissed-off-smart-asses". If you can't beat them, join them, man. We MS users are quite comfortable.

FitPeet 7/5/2009 4:46:47 PM
Well I am a full time online business man and I have NEVER Used outlook, NEVER!!! But the ones thing MS has going for them, they are big and whne they do a make a mistake they can easily fix it again next time round. Just look at Vista, ABSELUTE Rubbish, everyone hated it. But hey Windows 7 is coming out and they fixed everything and from what I read online it is the BEST windows EVER!!! So their they go, they messed up but realize it and will now bring out something that is amazing again. Me for one have never left XP. Never touched Vista , but will now be abelt o upgrade to something great again in Window 7. So the moral of the story. Don't like it, don't use it, wait till they fix it, then use it again! :)

D 7/5/2009 5:46:19 PM
No sure what bill's got to do with it...

i'd estimate 90% of the microsoft bashers are microsoft users :)

rbg 7/5/2009 7:57:55 PM
Stadards promote mediocre software

Jack 7/5/2009 8:04:29 PM
Microspft is doning not more than Google has done, yet instead of accepting that business is business, and get on with it. Some user prefer Gmail, smoe Outlook other Notes. I would rather each develope there own and we get the best value for money.

profmamba 7/5/2009 8:27:50 PM
Extremely misinformed article. I'm a pro software engineer that develop systems for some of SA's top companies and banks, so I need to stay ahead of the curve when it comes to new technologies, and I can personall say: There is no company equal to Microsoft when it comes to listening to clients and just in general making things work. People are not stupid, they have a choice. Why would people keep on using MS if it is so bad? And dont bring me monopoly BS, Google was able to break the market when everyone else was crying and sueing! Why? Because they were better! Now, using that same logic, why is MS number one in just about everything else? Because they are the best. Use your brain and stop bad mouthing a company that is actually able to make things work (which is a rarity).

Bob the builder 7/5/2009 11:10:25 PM
I think you are very short sighted!!! 1st win95 was evil then win98 was evil then xp was the devil himself..... and now vista is the devil??...... Progress is always halted by those who don't want change!! and are too immature to see the long term vision! Terrible article.... ALISTAIR

Chris 7/5/2009 11:38:19 PM
@ Ralph Kujawa & @ TB
Visit
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=941B3470-3AE9-4AEE-8F43-C6BB74CD1466&displaylang=en
to download the Compatability Pack and your 2003 / 2007 compatibility issues will be over.

And if it doesn't suit you move on!

HC 7/6/2009 5:42:45 AM
Come on, if you dont like it, move to your open source, everybody is using open source..hahahaha, MS has 93% market share, so, the other 7%, work it out for yourself...pretty easy for me to work out, go Microsoft or go home!!

Bortofish 7/6/2009 6:42:38 AM
The time is ripe to switch to more reliable software. Go Lotus products and you get products that look after themselves. Why not buy products from the biggest software manufacturer! It is high time that MS got some stick. Microsoft = Most intelligent customers realise our software only fools teenagers.

GO IBM!!!

timber 7/6/2009 6:59:39 AM
The problem with people today is they are all looking for a fight, your bitter tone takes away from the article, i think you should go and suck some more on your mothers breast and write the article again dude ;)

Chris 7/6/2009 7:11:50 AM
@TB @Ralph Kujawa - install the MS Office compatibility upgrade... problem solved.

Chris 7/6/2009 7:24:58 AM
Come on guys - Linux has improved a great deal and it is a brilliant alternative... but the fact is that it's still a huge learning curve for your average computer user - even Mark Shuttleworth has commented on this problem and is working towards change. So, for now, Linux is for those who have a "relationship" with their machine - for the rest of us (the vast majority) Windows works fine and that's all we care about.

ZiX 7/6/2009 7:40:01 AM
10 years ago people were bitching about there being no alternatives to Microsoft's stuff. Today, people are still bitching despite there beign ample alternatives, yet they still won't move. If you don't like what they are offering then stop complaining and change.

As a side note, the only people really kicking hard against these changes that MS are implementing are the "email marketing" people....read that how you want to. 20,000 people, regardless of whether they were indeed actual people and not vote bots also do not constitute a majority of the people that use Outlook by any degree.

Lee 7/6/2009 7:52:16 AM
Why anyone is still using Microsoft amazes me! I run the recent Sun Office equivalent of MS Office and Thunderbird as e-mail software. I have worked in Microsoft before, and find it to be much more limiting than the FREE Sun and Thunderbird products - and yes, you can open and edit MS Office files in Sun. You can even SAVE them as MS documents....go free software! It's come a long way!

Wayne 7/6/2009 7:56:44 AM
To TB - MS has a converter available for Office 2003 users to view Office 2007 doc's. What I don't get is why the converter is a 26Mb download.. Use OpenOffice, opens Office 2007 files out of the box.

KOBUS 7/6/2009 8:03:33 AM
I didn't even know about this. Will be sticking to the old Outlook (at work) and using third-party programs at home. Sorry, MS!

KOBUS 7/6/2009 8:07:41 AM
Rus, it's not as simple as that. E-mail is what it says, e-MAIL! You wouldn't say it's OK for people to send you a physical letter that's printed with ink you can only read if you pay Microsoft a certain amount of money, would you? This is just a way for MS to try to force people to use its software because gazillions of people who don't know any better will just continue using Outlook and you want to be able to read their mail. Hmmm, just thought of something, you really don't want to be able to, do you? As those people are twats! Aha, problem solved! (For personal emails at least, what about work?)

spaceman 7/6/2009 8:08:22 AM
er, ms outlook switched over to the word rendering engine ages ago (outlook 2007). and its not really that bad, it just sucks with web forms in an email. you want to bitch about lack of standards write an article about freaking Lotus notes. now that there is lack of compliance, a freaking standard table cannot render properly.

David 7/6/2009 8:15:36 AM
I couldn't agree more with the article. I'm also working in a different segment of the PC industry, and MS decided to "support" Mobile Broadband in Win7. Great news, we were all sooo happpy...until we realized they (MS) are now forcing their view on the marketplace on us (the marketplace). And guess what, they missed a few critical points in their thoughts and now were all screwed. We have to comply to their new set of standards, standards which missed the point and is forcing us to do things we never wanted to do. But we have to, just because Big Brother had a brain fart

Deputy 7/6/2009 8:19:09 AM
I laugh at all of you with your Microsoft comments. If you don't like it then don't use it. Besides Microsoft don't make their money from you they make it from organizations with big licensing agreements and Open Source cannot offer the service and support that Microsoft can.

Jack Straw 7/6/2009 8:22:02 AM
Hey! How long will everybody be blaming Bill Gates? He is retired and no longer work.

He is spending his personal billions for good causes.

BTW. Last time I saw, Microsoft is still a company and not a non-profit organisation.
If they own 99% of the market, THEY ARE THE STANDARD. So other products need to adapt and change if they want to survive

HTML developer 7/6/2009 8:27:23 AM
They've made my job more difficult

Bob 7/6/2009 8:44:40 AM
Evolution in Ubuntu Linux seems to handle Outlook emails ok. I don't send HTML, so that I can't comment on. It even works nicely when someone sends you an Outlook appointment.

Vallie 7/6/2009 8:45:55 AM
You know whats funny??MS POWERS 24.COM!FTW!!FTW!!

Ghost in the Machine 7/6/2009 8:46:15 AM
Thunderbird / Firefox - www.mozilla.com
Evolution - www.dipconsultants.com/evolution
Open Office - www.openoffice.org
Opera Mail - www.opera.com

Sod Microsoft.

Faistuss 7/6/2009 9:18:29 AM
Guys, You don't go an buy a BMW and then afterwards have an issue if BMW says that in 3 months there is a new M3 out but you have to pay for it.... At the end of the day it is their product and MS should be able to do with it whatever they want. Google & Yahoo did not invest any capital into the development of outlook - so why should they have a say in how it works? If you don't like it buy something else but for heaven's sake stop bitching....

Grame 7/6/2009 9:19:53 AM
For the Linux and Mac fanboys out there, MS is here to stay for a long long time because it is already so entrenched in corporations world wide and the cost to migrate to open source is too much of a learning curve for average office people. Mac and Linux are niche products. Just use whatever works for you.

shiznit 7/6/2009 9:22:57 AM
People who use Linux don't use it because it's any good, they use it because they hate microsoft. What lamo's. Linux is a useless client OS, incompatible with the rest of society. OpenOffice (disaSTAR OFFICE) is a java resource hog. Firefox is fine. Anything that's free in life is generally rubbish. I don't always like Microsofts attitude but nobody is remotely close to their products

Mr.Ryan 7/6/2009 9:23:32 AM
Lol all these comments are from it people right?

Personally I thing proprietary playstation games are much, MUCH better than proprietary XBOX games. Yet Xbox outperform PS in terms of sales and units. I guess it comes down to business hey.

Has anyone considered that it’s the dumb-ass-end-users that are supposed to use some form of software? Personally I think if it wasn’t for us as critic it people, these end users will never know the difference. They will simply carry on like they normally do :p

Postcolonialist 7/6/2009 9:56:49 AM
A few comments - to some dude called "rbg"(?) - where the **** do you come to the conclusion that software STANDARDS hobble software? Dude, wake up ...

Next - whole "MS is better" "No, OSS is better" argument is pointless. TCO calculations for MS / OSS differ depending on the target audiences. For some, MS is cheaper in TCO. For others, OSS. And referring back to standards, rbg, you twit ... STANDARDS allow us all to choose our best option and still TALK to each other on a document/messaging level.

I like OSS (and use it ... AND donate to the development thereof!). I acknowledge that MS is better for some ... and OSS for others.

Last quip on HTML - HTMl standards are supposedly formulated by W3C. Not by MS or Apple or the OSS movement or anyone else. They're supposed to be vendor-independent ... oh, and "Jack Straw" - there is a considerable difference between being an agreed standard and a de facto standard. But I suspect you may not be up to noting the difference.

Use what you like. That much is allowed!


PDR 7/6/2009 10:31:06 AM
Ubuntu is the answer until things go wrong, because if you don't have the knowledge to fix it yourself (and face it, its not an easy OS to fix with unless you're quite knowledgable), be prepared to get a Linux boffin out at three times the price of a MS techie. What grinds me is that these Linux boffins most common way of fixing a problem is 're-install'! Things rarely go wrong on a Mac, but its freakin' expensive to buy, so you're left with Microsoft, pricey to start of with, but the neighbours kid can solve your problems without having to re-install everything. So, choose the lesser of your three evils.

Postcolonialist 7/6/2009 11:14:47 AM
@Deputy - you are wrong about the "inability" of OSS users to get support. Things have changed dramatically over the past period. We're still comparing apples and oranges on this score (see previous TCO comments).

What you DO say, which is worth adding to, is that MS make money from the volume licence agreements and (may I add?) OEM installs of software on PCs. A small thought occurs - make the software either very low cost or free to private purchasers & simply sell support agreements on an annualised basis. Upsides? Huge market grip, Very likely a considerable drop in piracy (reasons are pretty much self-evident) ... and just think of the PR value. Downsides? Trying to think of some ...

In short, moving closer to the model of free (or nearly free) software, but with support having a fee attached. It does work ... hey! It's almost the OSS model ...

Ok, unlike some, I need to do some actual work now!

Later.

caractacus 7/6/2009 12:38:14 PM
Microsoft is (one of) the most successful business(es) this planet has ever seen.

They know how to protect their business.

Thank you, Microsoft, for reminding us that it's about profit, not about magnanimity.

Postcolonialist 7/6/2009 4:48:22 PM
@PDR - if your Linux "boffin" is priced at 3x what the M$ fella is priced at ... then you're being taken for a ride. Simple. And if their instant solutions are reinstalls, then they are no "boffins" either - just opportunists from the M$ world trying to make a buck. Agree with you on Mac - very nice, very expensive ... but then, it's worth it to some.

WTF 7/6/2009 5:59:26 PM
WOW Alistair, you are clearly not the smartest tool in the shed.
Get you facts straight before you try and make allegations on a product that have not even seen the light of day. Sure Microsoft will have Word as their email editor, as they have done in 2007 and 2003. It makes business sense, the whole idea of reusable components, not that you would know. Even if I apply a minute amount of business sense Microsoft would be stupid to not comply with currently used email “standards”. If they don't they will lose a lot of business a lot of money and damage their own reputation. All they are simply doing is to provide additional functionality and a better experience to their users. But hey with a cat named Boo what do I know.

Hugo 7/7/2009 6:36:50 AM
a world without standards? a standard allows you to communicate with someone or something. like english or french. sometimes you need an interface but so what, at least you can write one. don't be weird.

LAS 7/7/2009 9:55:22 AM
To PDR: The only time Ubuntu fails or go wrong is when you try to "Windownize" it (attempt at making it windows).

HowDareU 7/7/2009 12:42:33 PM
@Neil- Simple- switch on a mac- instal virtual pc- install xp- and install your crappy cad - then you will have a cad system on a mac platform running a virtual windows xp- read up before just giving coments!!

Erik 7/8/2009 1:32:33 PM
we must not forget. Its the package deal that counts the most. Sort of like choosing a girlfriend. If she is good looking, has a great family and but continues to lack honesty and manners, it won't last. Microsoft still has the best package by having a strong operating system, with outlook, word and excel that all work well together.
So until someone comes with a better package, we will have to overlook her dreadful manners.
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