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Jon Qwelane

Too late to apologise?

2008-03-06 12:25

Georgina Guedes

Apologies have been flying these past two weeks, highlighting the fact that South Africa is still a hotbed of racist feeling, from both sides of the colour division.

But while tension is running high and sparks are flying, there are those speaking out who remind us that sanity prevails.

The first issue, of course, is the racist video that emerged at the University of the Free State.

Segregation of the dormitories, while not officially sanctioned, had become the status quo. A recent push to alter this led to a group of young students making a video in which they tricked dormitory cleaners into eating stew which appeared to be laced with urine.

Any question about the "all in good fun" nature of the video can be rapidly put to rest by the closing message, bearing the words, in Afrikaans, "That, at the end of the day, is what we think of integration."

For the students to try to paint the video as a satirical take on the issue of integration, but to apologise, as they have done, for any embarrassment "unintentionally" caused, is to undermine their apology.

They should apologise outright, not attempt to defend, as satire, their production. There is no satire contained in the bald statement made by the video. Sure, the workers were not actually drinking urine, but the message remains clear.

The dreaded K-word

After seeing the uproar over the video, Irvin Khosa, Chairman of the 2010 World Cup Local Organising Committee, felt compelled to apologise for having told a black journalist not to "think like a kaffir".

In an interesting reversal of the belief that one black person can call another black person whatever he likes, the SA Human Rights Commission got involved. Following the apology, the matter is now considered to be closed.

Khoza felt prompted to make the apology once he saw the UFS video. He stated that he thought that blatant racism in South Africa "was a thing of the past", and was concerned about providing anyone with ammunition for future battles.

Although, the events of the last couple of weeks have clearly proved that racism is alive and well, it is encouraging that Khoza had felt, however briefly, that blatant racism no longer existed. That this was proven as misguided is unfortunate, but it does show that in spite of everything, the turmoil of the past is not always foremost on everyone's minds.

"I'm not sorry"

And then, there's the man who won't apologise. Jon Qwelane is asserting his right to label as "coconuts" (black outside, white inside) the black journalists who spoke out in protest against white journalists being excluded from a Forum of Black Journalists (FBJ) meeting that Jacob Zuma attended.

This is perhaps the grayest area in the murk of the last two weeks' racism dramas. For every argument there's a counter-argument.

Yes, black professionals are entitled to the support of a network of their peers. There is still an alarming dearth of representation of previously disadvantaged groups at management level across the business spectrum, and these kinds of support networks are in place to provide a sense of community for those who have made it to the top against all odds.

No one objects to the existence of the Black Business Forum. But I wonder how people would feel about a White Business Forum? I certainly wouldn't want to be a member, but perhaps that's because of the negative weight of our past.

What's interesting is the thorny issue of what exactly constitutes "black". Indian and coloured people were still welcome at the FBJ. If a compelling speaker was to be present at the Forum for White Journalists, and Indian and coloured people were invited, but black people were excluded, what kind of an outcry would there be?

But the crucial point here is not the exclusion of white journalists in the first place, it's the attack on those black journalists who spoke out in defense of their lighter colleagues. Camaraderie within racial groups is one thing, but when you start limiting the movement and rights of the press, you are straying into very dangerous territory indeed.

I wholly support, admire, and would like to express my gratitude towards those journalists who left the event in protest. Jon Qwelane is entitled to his opinion, and I am entitled to mine. I believe those journalists did the right thing, and that Qwelane's dismissal of them served only to highlight the brave stance they were taking.

Still hopeful

While some people might be wringing their hands and bemoaning the unraveling of the fabric of South African society, I believe that these are all important discussions to be having.

It wasn't possible to wave a magic wand and do away with the imbalances of the past. It took a series of unfortunate events to show us that we still have a long way to go. But with support for every group coming from unlikely corners, I think that it still holds true that there is more that unites than divides us.

  • Georgina Guedes is a freelance journalist. She doesn't know whether she's rooting for Obama or Hilary.

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  • Juan 3/6/2008 12:43:51 PM
    Race is about your skin's pigment level, and I fail to see why that has got ANY bearing on anything. As long as we have race-based (racist) laws in South Africa, race will ALWAYS be an issue.

    2Jays 3/6/2008 12:47:37 PM
    the whites must apologies and regconise that apartheid gave them unfair advantage over black people who were exclude from economy and education for many years. without a formal apology, i do not see myself associating with white people ever.

    Mr.B 3/6/2008 12:52:18 PM
    I would like to know if Indians and Coloreds are considered black or are they called by their correct race.I admire Yusuf Abramjee for walking out,but he was referred to as black and not Indian,so who is the hypocrite.When it is election time then we are black,when we go for jobs etc,then we are indian and colored ???I am proudly not Herchelle Gibbs or Paul Adams who is not proud to be colored???

    Barry 3/6/2008 12:59:38 PM
    Qwelane's argument, both in his column and with the FBJ in their meeting with the SAHRC, was a well aimed shot to the foot. I had to laugh when the FBJ claimed, in defence of not asking Indian and coloured members to leave, was that "black" is a state of mind. The reply, that "why didn't they believe whites could engage that mindset", exposed the flaws in their argument. Nobody attacked the existence of the FBJ, but rather the racist overtones of their actions in evicting whites from a gathering.

    All for change 3/6/2008 1:04:55 PM
    Mr Qwelane has most too often been the voice of a bear with a sore A** and given his opinion regardless of considering the emotions he is flaring. All in all I agree with Georgia let all the emotions, anger and frustration get released or exposed because to deal with the emotion will help heal the wounds. Even Jon's sore A**.

    Benzo 3/6/2008 1:08:55 PM
    I only arrived in SA later in my life and not so long ago either. The events and discussions over the last few months form the script for a best selling book with the title: "10 quick steps to become a racist". Material provided by all members of the SA society. Integration? What's that?

    Mark 3/6/2008 1:09:56 PM
    Place has become more than a joke !Another failed african country.

    Sinudeity 3/6/2008 1:13:05 PM
    It has been a hectic month, with regards to racial issues in South Africa. I myself feel, that black folks cant understand the term 'racism', if its not white-on-black. As if, racism, is defensible, because of the apartheid past. Wasn't it Mandela himself who said, let the oppressed not become the oppressors. A quote from a news24 commenter: "We say, akulahlwa' mbeleko ngakufelwa and that idla izishiyele. That means don't lose hope and forgive." - Libembe

    Sameold 3/6/2008 1:14:21 PM
    Another Yawn, oops, and another!

    sarel 3/6/2008 1:16:18 PM
    I just would like to know whether Leon Schuster apologised to the blackman in his film Mr Bones? This person was degraded several times in the film,worse than the one that was made by the students of the Freestate University. Thousands of South Africans saw the film, and cried laughing and nothing was said about racialism. What about the other films he made about the coloured persons drinking that salty micture and looking and talking to the backside of the chickens. We said nothing.

    padkos 3/6/2008 1:16:22 PM
    Its like this "Racism is just like beauty, its all in the eye of the beholder". And remember also racism also sells newspapers, as also used by political parties for their benefit. So while this is all being constantly thrown into the peoples faces, can you blame them for making racist judgements. Its wrong, that we all know.

    A.D.D 3/6/2008 1:19:15 PM
    The best way to stop an angry and bitter child throwing a tantrum is to ignore him completely. Only in this case, the 'child' is a middle-aged journo with a whole lot of hatred and anger about a past that the rest of us are trying to fix. Stop giving JQ all this attention for crying out loud! His tantrums are nothing more than mindless, selfish rants. Let's focus on the future rather than on some bag of hot air with a bone to pick.

    Danny 3/6/2008 1:20:39 PM
    These discussions are giving me renewed hope in the objective way in which it is being handled. Everyone who behaved out of line has been brought to account. Previous conclusions where blame is portioned to white folks while singing "kill the boer, kill the farmer" was nothing more subjective than a witch hunt.

    stack 3/6/2008 1:21:40 PM
    Enjoyed that read ... and now we will sit back and wait for the attack to begin because it will come... no one can win at the moment

    terence 3/6/2008 1:25:05 PM
    it is well documented that people forced to do something against their will react negatively if not violently at times. So why force integration that is totally wrong. I do not blame anyone for standing up against forced integration. Secondly give us all equal rights and stop oppression against all races and our problems should go away.

    MikeT 3/6/2008 1:25:45 PM
    Healthy the discussions may be but the underlying racism that exists in ALL corners is most disconcerting. The Coconut comment pales insignificantly to those comments by Andile Mngxitama who said "there could be no such thing as racism against white people, because the term originated in the violence white people perpetrated against black slaves. If there is a new form of oppression where white people are oppressed, let's not call it racism, let's call it something else" Very worrying

    South african Citizen 3/6/2008 1:26:47 PM
    How True, wish many others would see this point.

    TC 3/6/2008 1:28:12 PM
    What about the FBJ's Andile Mngxitama saying that there 'could be no such thing as Black on white racism'? I thought that racism is simply 'discrimination against people because of the colour of their skin'. Am I wrong?

    Sinudeity 3/6/2008 1:29:10 PM
    On behalf of all white folks, I apologize for apartheid. Now, can we build a country already?

    Azonic 3/6/2008 1:35:35 PM
    Very good piece of writing. I enjoy calm, logical arguements. You don't accuse anyone of anything... you ask questions, which is the way to do it. Jon, on the other hand, has deep rooted anger against anything white, and even those who are black who don't have as big a grudge against the whites as he does. It is people like him who won't listen to reason, no matter what, the kind who just want to "stick it to the white man", no matter what the cost.

    Proud2Bwhite 3/6/2008 1:36:02 PM
    OMG!!! If this is the future of S.A then I don't want to be a part of it. Maybe all the "white" people should just leave the way some want us to... what will they have then??? NOTHING!!!!

    bongani 3/6/2008 1:37:39 PM
    Till the Old Elite group of ANC racists are gone,The feel they fought for freedom and now they have it its payback time !! Their attitude has made most whites more racist than before 1994 !!

    Jack 3/6/2008 1:38:58 PM
    I don't belive racism is based on the colour of a person's skin. It's based on how certain groups of people behave and their principles. If people behave like monkeys they should be treated like monkeys. It (racism) is a natural thing. It's not a bad thing.

    ElectroMan 3/6/2008 1:39:02 PM
    Exactly! In every aspect starting with religion which is the spirit of what you believe in as an individual and then leads to what your actions will be, there unfortunately is a sad truth that a labels divide people and leads to wars. Religion (Islam and Christendom), Culture (what you believe in and stand for), Skin colour, Economical status, General Social pressure... list goes on. Why humans love labeling so much, which I do in some ways myself really blows me over. Avert from any label!

    Bad Brad 3/6/2008 1:39:19 PM
    I tried to put this point across last week. If I am a coloured person but look white, would I be excluded from the FBJ. On the other hand, if I am white but look a bit coloured, would I get in to the FBJ to listen to all the 'non-white issues'. Why can't we look beyond the skin, and take people for whom they are.

    chris 3/6/2008 1:40:05 PM
    Georgina i think im gonna cry!!!!!!!! that is the most balanced piece of writing in this matter i have ever seen! U rock!

    Blake 3/6/2008 1:43:23 PM
    2Jays, what's there to apologise for? The generation that introduced apartheid is gone. No one around today had much to do with implementing it. Have some balls and move on!! Anyway, look at the balls up we have now. Who's apologising for that?

    marius 3/6/2008 1:44:49 PM
    Different consequences for different races and positions in society and this is what keeps racism alive in SA. Jon, Khosa and the students, they all did the same thing wrong..hate speech. But the students get crucified (they are of the hated race), Khoza gets away with a quick apology (his position) and Jon denies the truth (he works for the media).

    Majozi 3/6/2008 1:45:14 PM
    It took a long time for Blacks to be where they are now,a democratic SA.Many Blacks have died as a result of racism and most,if not all Whites never thought that this moment will come.Again,it will take some years,but not that many,before Blacks in this country become fed-up and do what Zimbabweans do to their White counterparts as long as these racism behaviours don`t dissappear.Blacks are forgiving by nature but one day,their patience will run dry.Lets push for peave and love 4 humanity...

    Juz 3/6/2008 1:45:15 PM
    Hey 2Jays, as a young,white male who hasn't a racist bone in my body, I would not want to associate with a backwards thinking fool like you anyway.Have a good day mate!!

    ElectroMan 3/6/2008 1:45:58 PM
    Thus far, with my humble experience and knowledge of cultures, religions and general social interaction. This world does not need those labellings going around. Many agree on some of the simpler ones like social & economical structures, but seriously consider the immediate wall being built by any label. Stand as a human being and accept that there is a greater spirit (God, Allah, Live) and build your morals from positive human interaction. LIVE and LOVE and you'll love living !

    Justin 3/6/2008 1:46:31 PM
    Im sorry to say it this way, but once the older generation is gone, only then can we think about true integration. It is instilled in their (black AND white) blood, their psyche, their speech, their thoughts. We will escape, and this country will finally let all its light shine, without this dark cloud called racism hindering us. I am white, and am ashamed of apartheid, but to dwell on it and throw it in our faces whenever a white ou says a black ou is being racist just seems too easy a cop-out.

    This for that 3/6/2008 1:54:24 PM
    ElectroMan - Ironic how people say labeling divides, yet there is a difference between a male and a female, and a difference between a leopard and a cheetah. Lables are the so we can distinguish between two things. Hence the label of black and white. Although we fall under the category of 'humans' and may have the same characteristics, there are still enough distinguishable differences for the label to exist. However, I am in thorough agreement with the article. Tit for tat, tit for tat.

    PAULA 3/6/2008 1:54:55 PM
    So its seems there will never be an end 2 these "racist"acts.But alas we have 2 "try" & forgive & "try" 2 carry on.There has always been some kind of racism if its not colour its about status & money.I worked 4 an overseas co where the cleaning staff were not greeted by other(s) white people bcause they were cleaners-so you tell me where does it stop?I was looked @ sideways when I greeted the so 'called' lower class-who & what makes people more or less than others(whatever colour) EDUCATION !

    nWo 3/6/2008 1:55:23 PM
    On the issue of the 2 ?neutral? race groups in South Africa, the Indians and Coloureds, I have to agree with Mr.B, Black enough when it comes to politics but not black enough when it comes to jobs.AA doesn?t not favour the Indians or coloureds, and to all the idiots who say I am wrong, got to let you know I am speaking from personal experience. P.S. Proud2Bwhite, Although 2Jays comment was silly, yours was worse, its arrogant/ignorant thoughts like yours that fuel hatred in this country.

    herman 3/6/2008 1:57:07 PM
    To all those complaining about the legacy of aprtheid, just remeber you got the best developed country in africa. Ever thought what went wrong in the other countries in africa that did not have apartheid

    Tired 3/6/2008 1:59:34 PM
    If i apologise for the sins of my fathers can i please get my stolen TV and dvd back?

    Azonic 3/6/2008 2:02:19 PM
    I ain't appologizing for anything. I have never done anything "apartheid" like to any black person, and today I'm being discriminated against because of something my grandad did or didn't do? Cool. One day I'll tell my grand kids that they must ask YOU for an appology for how you are opressing the white nation today. That fine?

    marius 3/6/2008 2:02:36 PM
    there was ever spoken.

    Sporo 3/6/2008 2:07:37 PM
    Who are the white people wo voted for the Nats during apartheid?, Not one, who committed attrocities against blacks? One racist Prime Evil, so white never ever harmed black people. Dahh, the sooner whites take ownership of the mess they caused and continue to cause with this denialism, the better...........own up.

    Bethuel 3/6/2008 2:12:15 PM
    all those apologies their crime was done intentionally so why ----why.

    Wanna b Ozzie 3/6/2008 2:14:15 PM
    I have nothing to apologise for, 2jays - the feeling is mutual you assume I want you to associate with me

    Glenn 3/6/2008 2:16:56 PM
    I don't usually respond to such comments but here it goes. Why do you say SA will do what Zimababwe does to it's whites? What did they do? Take the farms I hear you say, and a question to you sir, what happened once these farms were taken away? I will answer for you, the farmers (whites) left the country!!!Now what does Zimbabwe have and what did it help with? 100 000% inflation buddy! You can have that and all the joys that go with it! Be careful before you comment and weigh up the facts...

    Win 3/6/2008 2:20:26 PM
    You have the truth in your words! The current ANC are dwelling on the past, many blacks and whites have tolerance for each other and want to work together to build this country, including myself. Yet it is the current ANC fatcats that are using the apartheid race card to flare tempers amongst the people of this country. They use it to get what THEY want, not the masses of the people.

    Azonic 3/6/2008 2:20:36 PM
    "...that the moment will never come". It came 14 years ago. Has anything improved majorly for ANY colour? Nope. Yes! Lets do what Zim has done to the one group of people that kept the country afloat, the farmers. 100 000% inflation? Idiot. Arer you blind to black on white racism? Stop living in the past.

    Sinudeity 3/6/2008 2:23:11 PM
    I wasn't 18 yet. My folks were liberals, fighting against apartheid, but its funny how their struggle was forgotten. If you want to generalize, and say, all white folks were apartheid supporters, let me do the same, and say, all black folks are criminals and terrorist bombers. South Africa has no space for thinking like yours. So PLEASE, PACK YOUR BAGS, and move to Zimbabwe.

    Whiteguy 3/6/2008 2:25:30 PM
    What do you want from the whites, take everything they own and dish it out to blacks? Then what. If they start something new and make money etc. again, must they dish that out too? How many times? That is the problem. White people are fed up with this attitude. Do some work, earn what you get, stop this attitude all white people owes you. For #$%^cksake! Grow up, move on!

    Tim 3/6/2008 2:25:54 PM
    The great question is, how would the black journalists feel if the white journalists did the same... The nature of this country at the moment is that the more experienced people qualified for management positions are generally white. Place people without experience in top positions and you have a situation Eskom is experiencing.

    wanna b Ozzie 3/6/2008 2:28:54 PM
    Sporo can't look back because of the chip on his shoulder and see what is really to blame for his petty predicament - his government. So as always we reach for the race card big yawn...

    Win 3/6/2008 2:29:15 PM
    I'm white and don't apologise for apartheid! I did not come up with the ridiculous idea, nor have I benefited from it given my growing up. I was in a school with black and white kids. Why must I apologise for someone else's cock ups. I understand the black mans sentiments for it but blame the polictical idiots of that period. I really couldn't care less about apartheid, I'm living for the future, if you not on the same train as I am then piss off because everyone's living in the past!!

    Martin 3/6/2008 2:36:51 PM
    Is right, If I may ask are there blacks in SOLIDARY UNION?if the answer is yes I would then ask must they speak Afrikaans?Cause if that is the case then what about the right to their languages that are protected by the constitution?If answer is NO, then Why?

    Mike 3/6/2008 2:37:47 PM
    I was too young during apartheid to be held accountable for it in anyway.Yet because of the colour of my skin, I am being held accountable and must suffer because of it purely on the base that I received an unfair advantage. Must I now make God suffer for allowing smarter people with higher IQ's to be born creating an unfair advantage over me? I'm not implying anything by this, only that the arguments put forward to address the past seems utterly ridiculous to me.

    Anon 3/6/2008 2:38:26 PM
    Spora get over yourself, you guys are like scratched dvd s you just never move on. You use apartheid as an excuse to justify every stupid move you make!!!!How can we ever build a peaceful nation when you back track all the way. Me

    AfriMan 3/6/2008 2:40:20 PM
    Africans should start realising that majority is superiority. We need forums such as the FBJ and many other to rebuild ourselves and reclaim what was robbed of us. I wish such forums could be formed in the Engineering, Mining, and built sectors. Africans, you can do well without the so called white people. The fact that we still have young students(UFS) behaving like this should tell you something. As an African I was taught to respect ANY person older than me/old enough to be my parent.

    Shaun 3/6/2008 2:48:03 PM
    Khoza and Qwelane are a joke, and any apology for whatever reason cannot be taken seriously because it is insecure, just as my apology would be for something someone else did in the name of apartheid or racisim. I will apologise for what I did and never for anything anyone else did. This is my country and nobody will take it from me no matter my race, creed or colour

    mm 3/6/2008 2:49:59 PM
    it's the aliens. they want to devide us so that they can steal our superior potasium. it's been going on forever. they want our potasium because it's a key ingredient to producing argon.

    Sinudeity 3/6/2008 2:53:48 PM
    http://www.solidaritysa.co.za/ Open to English and Afrikaans registrars. Black or white. Your point is, because its afrikaans only, you cant join. You can LEARN to speak afrikaans. With regards to FBJ, I cant change my skin colour. Make sense now?

    Ivan 3/6/2008 2:55:46 PM
    I am white and will not apologise for being white. Accept it and move on, or remain a banana bender for ever.

    RustyRose 3/6/2008 2:56:27 PM
    If my dad was a rapist, and I was the result of the rape on my mother, should I apologise to her because I am where I am because of what my dad did?

    Sinudeity 3/6/2008 2:57:11 PM
    You are right. Africans can do well, without white people. But, you can do even better, if we all work together. Please dont generalise, the actions of 4 white varsity students on all whites. I was taught not to murder, yet, it happens every day here in SA. "behaving like this should tell you something."

    Honest 3/6/2008 2:57:32 PM
    How can you conclude that the workers didn't drink urine? You actually believe the very people that committed this evil, inhumane act of cruelty. It's an allegation yet to be . I'm surprised at your shallowness or are you just so forgiving because it was a white who's responsible for atrocious act.

    colin 3/6/2008 2:59:04 PM
    Whiteguy ? sorry man you have it wrong. We as Black people do not want any freebies from no one as we are used to hard work our fathers and grandfathers build this countries railway system and roads with their bare hands and received peanuts in return. This economy was not just build by the intellect of the white man but also by the cheap Manpower of blacks. I am a B.Com graduate which I obtained in 1999 and received no freebies from no white person. Loans made available by government ensure that I could obtain a University degree and I pay each little cent back with interest ? so keep your freebies to yourself. If you could think logical you would grasp the fact that you have benefited from apartheid finish en klaar ? don?t put all the blame PW and PIK

    wanna b Ozzie 3/6/2008 2:59:12 PM
    what about the other youths raping 76 year old woman (not the only case). A general disregard for sosial and moral law? taxis, urinating next to the road? Afriman in the bigger world blacks are the minority - so then don't come and complain about the West forcing their political agenda on poor innocent Africa again. this "African and proud of it" spiel is a bit lame now

    Azonic 3/6/2008 3:02:09 PM
    My grandfather is dead now, but if he was alive, would you respect him, being a white? Seeing you say you were taught to respect ANY person old enough to be your father, does that include him? If not, are you a racist then? Yeah, the UFS students did a stupid thing. What about the black that stole my bicycle helmet, or the two blacks that stole my sister's laptop? I'm sure that's probably OK in your eyes, no?

    Peter Kingsley 3/6/2008 3:02:55 PM
    Having worked in a number of African countries as a South African I have observed with interest the chaos and abject poverty that abounds in these countries. Ladies and gentlemen, racism, colonialism, etc etc is not the problem any more. The problem is with us as individuals and the people whom we "democratically" vote into power. All this hooha about racism is really about individuals who cannot drop the past and start living in the future.

    Anon 3/6/2008 3:05:56 PM
    Should a child, a product of a rape, apologise for the sins of his/her father? He surely owes his life to that sin, and therefore benefit from it.

    Glenn Rosslee 3/6/2008 3:06:12 PM
    So do you respect old "so called white people" then from what you learnt?

    Stormin 3/6/2008 3:07:11 PM
    If one reads the above comments, you can gather that not too many people are going to apologise to one another on the issue of past imbalances. The white people in this country are seriously concerned with the mass destruction of the infrastructure that is happening at present and people feel helpless because they cannot prevent this disaster. It is becoming clear that the current government is not capable of getting to grips with the obvious decay in all forms of the infrastructure.Quo Vadis?

    Concerned 3/6/2008 3:09:08 PM
    What do they think?? Is it really going to solve anything regarding the matter? They must start taking action and not just be words. Start acting maybe our Country will start pulling up their socks toward crimes like these! Why do you think people are immigrating? For the FUN. I don't think so!! In other countries if you did such a thing you would get punishment till the full extent. Stop pointing fingers and start doing. The people in higher places should be ashamed for doing B&@#!%*&$#.

    NM 3/6/2008 3:09:35 PM
    ...the reaon coloured and indian journalists were allowed to the FBJ is because they were also classified as black in apartheid and still are today..people are SO quick to forget that

    ElectroMan 3/6/2008 3:10:00 PM
    Sexual distinction and species are different issues in themselves. We are humans and have issues with our own kind. The thought of differentiating between people based on colour of skin will benefit only to have an understanding of dealing with a culture that was oppressed to begin with. Therefore throw out these labels and stand together to from one race... the human race!

    Haseena 3/6/2008 3:10:13 PM
    for putting into words what we all felt, for doing so in a mature manner without the highly emotional comments. And yes, JQ to me is the most blatant racist and hypocrite. He shuns other people's opinions but is adamant that he can have his. And Khoza, while apologising for a right reason, should apologise because it was wrong. But at least he apologised, which is a step in the right direction. I am still hopeful that we can be racist free and devoid of judgement based on skin colour...

    wanna be Ozzie 3/6/2008 3:10:21 PM
    the traditional view is that Jews normally bemoan their lot in life - I think it should be changed to Africans. Jewish people at the very least still try and better themselves from their unfortunate past.

    Neil van Vuuren 3/6/2008 3:10:40 PM
    I, Neil van Vuuren, a 25 year old white male, hereby apologise for being white and thus being more evolved than most(not all) blacks. I will NEVER apologise for Apartheid! You dumb blacks had the schools, given to you by the Apartheid regime and yet you chose to burn it down. The black man always needs a cause hey. A cause to hide the fact that he won't work for anything, he'd rather have it handed to him on a silver platter. Stop moaning and start working! Lazy buggers!

    Wanna B Ozzie As Well 3/6/2008 3:11:15 PM
    Take a long had look at the newspapers and make a decision. Sooner rather than later. Our energy is a mess (yet Eskom exec's get huge PERFORMANCE bonusses), the water supply is frequently poluted, we are getting murdered and raped by the 100's every day, we have the highest crime rate in the World. Our president can't even take a stance and tell our neighbouring country's ruler to get a grip. Our candidate president is under investigation for corruption... Not enoug space to tell the tale...

    Hattie van Jaarsveld 3/6/2008 3:11:27 PM
    I could be wrong? But if I understand the meaning of the word racicm correct it means "prefer the company of your own kind." This in itself is not wrong. Hatred for a certain group or person is wrong. There are individual white, black, Asian and Coloured people I do not like, but I know some dislike me as well. Are we now racist?

    TheOne 3/6/2008 3:13:34 PM
    There are actually many black people who hate Leon's movies for their stereotyping blacks. However, you seem to compare a 'movie' with a real incident. By the same token, those who kill will compare their deeds with the killings they see in the movies. Please, grow up and stop justifying the UFS racist DVD.

    Mark 3/6/2008 3:14:16 PM
    Justin, I completely agree. Its harsh but we need the angry of the older generation to go, because its them that either oppressed or were oppressed. Because of chips on their shoulders its us young people who are suffering. I'm 20 and apparently I masterminded Apartheid? The comment 'whites must apologise'???? That is so ignorant. I was 2 when Mandela was released and yet I must still apologise?? Think about it. News24!!! Fire Jon Qwelane, he's a racist and a narrow-minded and poor journalist

    Barry 3/6/2008 3:15:54 PM
    As an African I too was raised to respect ANY person older than me. More than that, I was raised to give EVERYONE my respect unless they did something to lose it. I agree with you that organisations such as the FBJ are important in order to eradicate the stigma of inferiority that apartheid created amongst blacks. BUT, be careful of painting the "so called white people" with such a broad brushstroke. My similarity to the UFS students ends with the colour of my skin.

    Apathaia 3/6/2008 3:16:56 PM
    White folks to apologize for Apartheid. British must apologize for putting boer women and children in concentration camps. And Zulus must apologize for Dingaan murdering Voortrekkers.

    Lamoen 3/6/2008 3:17:01 PM
    Poverty has always been part of Africa for centuries. If there was no apartheid there would have still been huge numbers of poor people (black/white mix would be different)today-look @ Africa that did not have apartheid. Poverty results in social problems, crime etc. But because there are poverty today (normal)the new young whites still gets blamed and have to apologize???

    ProudWhiteMail 3/6/2008 3:17:07 PM
    My parents came from Zim before it really got bad. They know the signs and they seem to think that this country is running in the same direction. As a proud white mail, I am depressed to see that our government can't learn from mistakes. I will go abroad and come back when this country is properly f&*ked up and start to rebuild it again.

    wanna b Ozzie 3/6/2008 3:17:22 PM
    did your culture alos teach you to rape 76 year old grandmothers and 6 year old girls and woman who wear short skirts? oh - sorry - that must have been the white,colonial,nats,old regime's fault...

    Juan 3/6/2008 3:18:59 PM
    This is an interesting article. I always thought that only white people can be racist .... Or that is what the media let us to believe.

    Allie 3/6/2008 3:19:13 PM
    The fact you white today, you benefited from apartheid. That's the absolute truth and a logical deduction. Maybe not directly, but certainly indirectly cos your parents benefited and with the spoils of apartheid they provided you with an environment to grow and develop in. Non white parents couldn't provide the same. If you still don't get it then I guess you really stupid.

    Gman 3/6/2008 3:19:13 PM
    JQ has lost all my respect. He does not set an example by using words such as "coconut" and instead encourages South Africans to differentiate bsaed on race.It is ironic that a few years ago people refered to him as a "coconut" - did he enjoy that??

    Craig 3/6/2008 3:21:05 PM
    The question that's been wandering around in my head for the last couple of months is this, "What constitutes a sufficient apology?" I have in several instances acknowledged that I, a white person, benefited from apartheid and apologise to the people who suffered. However, I seemingly have to spend the rest of my life apologising for being white in spite of the fact that I was in no position to effect change and my parents did their small bit by always voting against the NP.

    Gman 3/6/2008 3:21:35 PM
    The fact that whites should apologise is a genralistic statment. Many whites fought against apartheid, many were not part of the decisions made 15 years ago as they were too young. I agree, race will always be an issue if race is part of our legal system.

    Renier 3/6/2008 3:23:35 PM
    Wake up the "new s.a" is even worst than apartheid their isn`t and never will be a rainbow nation here as long as we have the ancyl and those white kids in the video and believe me their are alot more of them they just got cought their will always be racism here and anyone who thinks their will be must be mad!

    TheOne 3/6/2008 3:25:21 PM
    You don't seem to know what you are talking about. It's because of the ANC that we avoided a civil war. Imagine if we went the PAC way? When the ANC suspended the armed struggle, the PAC and others accused the ANC of catipulation. When the ANC opted for negotiations, they accused it of selling the blacks out and betraying the revolution. Mandela was seen as a sell-out. So be thankful of the ANC's contribution.

    TheOne 3/6/2008 3:29:54 PM
    I am surprised that no white person is correcting you when you say the ANC made them more racist after 1994. The 'whites' stormed the World Trade Centre and planted bombs on the eve of the elections to disrupt the coming of democracy. They also shot people in Bophuthatswana to stop democracy there too, etc ... and they never saw anything wrong with that. Now they blame all that on the ANC - you included. Shame to you.

    George 3/6/2008 3:30:40 PM
    Everyone has the right to freedom of belief and expression, religion, and opinion, including racists. Example: A man I know lost his father in a senseless killing on his farm. That this man expresses his grief, anger and hatred by way of racist remarks, is his right to freedom of belief, opinion, expression, and speech. No apology to anyone needed!

    Neville 3/6/2008 3:32:22 PM
    Hello All - Everybody that is making comments just dont get it?! We are all in this together - South Africans! All of us - Whehter we like it or not we cant do it alone!! Stop the silliness and realise that we will continue on this downward spiral as long as we oppose each other and dabble in this petty politics!

    John 3/6/2008 3:37:08 PM
    Yes, whites did have a head start during 48 years of apartheid. However, it must be remembered that during those years this countrie's infrastructure was built. In other words, the ANC did not inherit a country, it inherited a country with a first world infrastructure which included roads, industry, airports, rail roads, hospitals etc which served all its citizens. However, that was 14 years ago. Now the ANC only serves itself. Why does Zim and Bob's regime spring to mind ?

    anton kleinschmidt 3/6/2008 3:37:25 PM
    This is addressed to all those who think that whites owe an apology for apartheid. Please provide a practical suggestion as to how such an apology can be made so that it is accepted by all of you that believe such an apology is due. A simple request....now lets have an answer.

    TJ 3/6/2008 3:40:51 PM
    To AfriMan & the rest of u who feel you should take back what is rightfully yours-what is rightfully yours? the bottom of the range DVD player that i saved up months to buy, my daughters 2nd hand bicycle (cos i can't afford a new one), or is it that young girls virginity. Growing up, i remember my dad in a blue overall and toolbox going to work, mostly because he was ENGLISH speaking and worked for an Afrikaans boss. Remember-discrimination came in many forms back then, but it is the past-move on

    sunshine 3/6/2008 3:43:19 PM
    Hello SA.Lets wake up and smell the roses.Time is to short to worry about stupid quarrels.Lets have hope and build a new SA together.Black,white,indian,coloured etc-sunshine

    Chris-T 3/6/2008 3:45:49 PM
    I always hear this from white people 1) 'I was not involved in apartheid - I was too young 2) 'We made SA to be the most progressive country in Africa'. So, when it suits them they use "we" and if not, they use "I". Make up your mind.

    LB 3/6/2008 3:49:46 PM
    I would like to know what is being done about the black minority(read: politicians/businessmen/should they be allowed to be both and do business?) who are benefiting from apartheid while the majority of black people still live in abject poverty? The politicians get richer and the people get poorer. I'm jewish so I understand the need to remember so it won't happen again, but it shouldn't hang over everyone for years and years. If anything these revengeful feelings will only take us full circle

    Rich Evil Whitey 3/6/2008 3:51:10 PM
    I think ALL BLACKS then should apologize for crime. Especially if us rich evil whities who were born in the 90's much apologize for Apartheid.

    Pman 3/6/2008 3:52:05 PM
    Just read the comments made by the FBJ recently. This is not just hypocrytical but laughable! I suggest the ANC and all its supporters dust off an go re-read their so called Freeedom Charter from 50`s as this is clearly no longer in use

    Zweli 3/6/2008 3:53:15 PM
    Ted Botha in his book " Apartheid in my racksack " written in 1990 acknowledges " I wanted to tell them ( the world ) that I benefitted from apartheid for it is impoosible for any white man not to benefit from it" Mike you inherited gains from apartheid as much as you were not responsible. On the other hand a black folk in house muddy house or shack will always remember on a rainy day that he inherited poverty & inhumanity. This is the past which must be fixed today for the better future.

    ElectroMan 3/6/2008 3:55:05 PM
    1st what needs to be discussed is why do people hold on to the past so much? Why not learn and move on to the future? Forums like AfriForum, FBJ and any other specific forum divide people and will only help that specific group positively for a certain period BUT then already laid the foundation for "apartheid"-type structures. Those forums do have some positive ideas, but as a whole will lead to racism and distinction between people = BAD. Distinction in RACES leads to different views and ideas.

    Sarel 3/6/2008 3:56:41 PM
    2Jays... not to be funny, but why must I be punished for something my forefathers did? I personally have nothing to apologize for! I'm white! I'm proud of it! I have my culture, you have yours. For how long would you like white ppl to apologize for something they have nothing to do with? For crying out loud, apartheid's getting the blame for everything now except perhaps global warming. Grow up! I'm not asking you to say sorry for the Zulu's killing Boors 200 years ago, am I???

    Robert 3/6/2008 4:00:52 PM
    Inevitably when the past is discussed in these forums, someone makes a comment; "Where are all those people who voted for the Nats?" Well a large number of Nat supporters voted "Yes" in the 1992 referendum. Funny how the referendum gets forgotten!

    KoosS 3/6/2008 4:02:16 PM
    Catch a wake up boet, there has been several formal apologies. What usually follows on an apology, is a forgive. But we didn't expect that, and we aren't demanding that. But how about an apology to all the whites and blacks killed by the ANC and PAC in the name of "Freedom". Camp Quattro. Church Street bombing. Magoo bar bombing. Necklaces by the dozen. Forced downing of cooking oils. .... Three sides to every story - yours, mine and the truth!!!

    Neville - also called "Mandla" 3/6/2008 4:04:44 PM
    "the whites must apologies (sic)and regconise that apartheid gave them unfair advantage.. etc" (Refer 2Jays' posting above). Just how far back must one go to find 'culprits'? No educated person would deny that history impacts on modern day behaviour. Should Zulus of today apologise for atrocities committed by Shaka Zulu? Should my two year old born in Scotland apologise to all "blacks" for atrocities of past white racists?

    fern 3/6/2008 4:07:27 PM
    Afriman - and im white. incidents such as the UFS and so forth are perpetuated by a minority of bad apples. try not to paint us all with the same brush now, see.

    ProudlySouthAfrican 3/6/2008 4:10:23 PM
    Apartheid has been athing of the past (at least in principle) for far more than 10 years. Please let's move on and embrace what we have and not suffer from the SA diseases of blame-shifting, guilt-tripping and fault-finding. I am proud to be here, i am proud of my country and i am embarrassed when people cant just move on!

    Alex 3/6/2008 4:10:49 PM
    You canot force social integration (at UFS-you cannot force anyone to tacitly accept an unworkable decree). Transformation is different and the vast majority of whites suport this. Always have.Freedom of association is a cultural, not racial issue and a basic right. I integtrate with my cultural circle (2 good black friends by the way) and choose to exclude cultures I don't agree with (but tolerate). The FBJ specifically excludesd by colour - thats purely racist.

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