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Privacy nightmares

2008-11-03 08:40

Chris Moerdyk

Relationship marketing. That's the buzz these days. One on one. Eye to eye. Mano a mano. Get to know your customer, build a relationship, get some trust going and all will be hunky dory and smell like roses.

Well, that's the theory anyway.

There are however, two hidden dangers that can make a relationship marketing exercise come back and smack you in the face with an intensity varying from wet fish to napalm.

The first is gathering information about a customer willy nilly without giving any thought to respecting privacy. The second danger is not collecting enough information and heading into a relationship half cocked.

But first, the issue of respecting the value of privacy. An expert on the subject is American customer service guru Don Peppers whom I met when he visited South Africa some time back. This is what he had to say to companies:

"Be careful with your customers' private stuff. If you don't safeguard personal information - which is the foundation of a customer relationship - you will undermine your attempts to build loyalty.

"A recent survey reports that Americans are concerned about how their personal information is being used:

  • "Four out of ten respondents, about 78 million Americans, believe they have been victims of consumer privacy invasions.

  • "Eight in ten American adults (158 million) feel they have lost control over how companies collect and use their personal data."

    Patronising and insulting

    That's the problem with one-to-one marketing. If companies don't know enough about a customer, he or she will pick up very quickly that all they are after is a quick sale and that they are making overtures at their wallets and absolutely nothing else.

    Which is both patronising and insulting.

    Relationship marketing is incredibly powerful. Trouble is, like all powerful things it has the capacity to blow up in a company's face if they don't use it properly.

    Personally, I get really annoyed with all that unwanted e-mail that lands in my inbox. The majority of which don't have any sort of unsubscribe facility in spite of the fact that the law very firmly states that it is illegal to send someone e-mail advertising without giving them an unsubscribe option.

    Something else that gives me the zig is when I book a table at a restaurant and they ask for my number which I always assume they need in case problems arise with the booking. But, they then use it week after week, month after month, to pepper me with special offers and so forth.

    But, what really worries me are those sms ads that pitch up on my cell phone and the service providers swear blind they haven't given my number to anybody. How on earth do they get it? And why is my privacy not being protected?

    Come to think of it - I don't think any of us have any privacy anymore.

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  • Scotty 11/3/2008 9:05:12 AM
    I had an incident arising from my membership to a union. Apparently they were selling all the members' details to some company selling pots and pans or something &%$@ like that. After the first call I contacted the union and gave them a good dressing down, how can they just sell my information like that?! And I am sure banks are doing exactly the same thing, as if they aren't making enough money out of us already...

    Mark T 11/3/2008 9:11:07 AM
    We have no pricvacy anymore. Info is sold to marketing companies etc for them to bombard you with 'special one time offers' and drive you insane.Just apply for credit, or a cel phone or anything- and suddenly the sms's and calls come rushing in- not only to your cel, but to every number you have. This, combined with the ability to track your internet use, you banking details and so on- none of us have any privacy anymore. Unless we move to a cave somewhere remote- we never will.

    Birdman 11/3/2008 9:15:57 AM
    There is no privacy anymore. Once you deal with a company they think you are fair game for any future offers even if you let them know that you are not. Banks are the worst offenders. I make a point of buying elsewhere just to get a bit of self satisfaction of not being pushed around like a sheep. Nobody tells you where they get your name and details either. They do themselves more harm than good by knowing more than you think they should, it is annoying and kills a sale.

    gummibear 11/3/2008 9:59:35 AM
    I say to them, "may your turnover, shares and financial interests decline when you fraudulently abuse your customer's personal information for your capitalist gains". I bitched to the RCS call centre each time they sent me a SMS. I refused to put the phone down until they removed my number from their database. The calls are recorded, and they are trained not to hang-up on you. So hang in there until you speak to a supervisor or they can confirm or give you a reference to have the details removed

    Pierre 11/3/2008 10:05:39 AM
    Chris there is no control . My friend lets say "Harry" for example wants to enter a competition, he is told the more friends info he gives the more entries he will get into the Compo. He adds all the emails addies in his address book and voila all those users are on a mailing list. You just cannot control it. This is done in various ways. Also watch for people doing surveys, the only reason they actually do the surveys is to get your info. Live with it. Even blocking mail wont help. Any solution?

    Anonymouse 11/3/2008 10:21:44 AM
    What really gets to me is how some companies will sell (I think) your information on to other parties, without your permission. Absa, I'm looking straight at you there. (I know this because I recently got a new phone number, and the only company I gave it to was that bank. And what do you know, a week later the telemarketing droids start to phone me on it.)

    Natas 11/3/2008 10:35:09 AM
    Personally I never sign up for news letters and never allow anyone to contact me about anything. There is nothing i want to hear about. I'm not "afraid of missing out on a good deal". If there is something I need and want, I'll go look for myself. Advertisers / marketers talk about "owning headspace", nobody owns my headspace but me! Get out!!!! All they want is your money.

    Brian 11/3/2008 10:40:18 AM
    My advice is to bypass the call centers because the agents are not empowered to help you. I'm going to fight with my bank (again) and my starting point is the Regional Manager. Why am I going to fight with my bank? Because they wanted to sell me a debt protection plan for my credit card even though it has a credit balance.

    Banker 11/3/2008 11:18:30 AM
    I work at a bank branch. All forms (even will app's) have a question asking if the bank may share your info with other divisions in their listed group. Make sure it is marked NO. Most bank staff don't even ask you the question and submit it marked as YES. Instruct your bank not to share within the group. I have not heard of banks selling your info to outside parties but they do share it with their affiliates if you marked YES. Whatch out for this questions on ALL companies application forms

    laverne 11/3/2008 11:29:13 AM
    read jeffrey deaver's - broken window - and see what can happen

    Teli 11/3/2008 11:42:36 AM
    What amazes me is that they always try to sell you things you don't want or need. Also these smses that require you to sms back to unsubscribe. Ridiculous.

    Llewellyn Kriel 11/3/2008 11:51:33 AM
    I thought I was out there on my lonesome. Now I see EVEREYBODY has the same invasion issues. In this respect our vaunted Constitution is is a toothless senile bed-bound geriatric. CellC & Vodacom not only sell your info to spammers, but charge you for the privilege. Absa, Nedbank do the same all the time and very surreptitiously. Telkom actively spies on your Internet usage. The bigger the gangs, the more they hurt,

    Patrick Conradie 11/3/2008 11:59:53 AM
    More frightening than the info gathered by Edgars, MTN, FNB and private companies, is what happens to the info the government has on you. SARS, home affairs, health, the police, the NIA all have dossiers on e4very citizen which they share as matters of routine policy and regularly pass to the ANC. I have been victim on several occasions. Unless you are super-rick, you have no recourse.

    Tim 11/3/2008 12:06:39 PM
    Whats really gets me is when I get offers for accounts in the post from Woolworths, edgars etc... with an account card and all I have to do is sign it. Sure way to loose my business!

    JK 11/3/2008 12:10:05 PM
    for loan/credit card offers at least. Think again. At least once a month I get an SMS from an unnamed entity inviting me to apply for a loan - don't need one! And everybody wants to give me a credit card or a cellphone contract - they'll even offer it again a month after I told them "NO THANK YOU". And don't even get me started on insurance telesales...

    Memory 11/3/2008 12:13:54 PM
    I wish you had the facility so I can send you my account from Vodacom/Nashua Mobile to show unsolicited spam mail and what I have been charged for them. And trying to get rid of these invaders is a mission of Nasa proportions!

    Thumi 11/3/2008 12:19:56 PM
    I got a visit from ANC party workers. I am registered but haven't voted yet. And still htese guiys had all kinds of info about my bank, my job, my car, my bond and that I had recently been burgled and had to claim from insurance. You right. Nobody has any privacy any more.

    SkerP 11/3/2008 12:25:28 PM
    In spite of protestations to the contrary, databases and bought and sold all the time, even by supposedly reputable corporates. After losing my rag with ABSA, and getting a personal promise that I would be tagged as ultra-sensitive in this regard, they still phoned me a week later to sell me something.

    Ross 11/3/2008 12:44:39 PM
    Whenever one applies for a credit product (vehicle, homeloan, etc.), banks do a credit check with one or more of the bureaux. As a part of their agreement with the bureaux, they are required to submit customer payment profiles, which also includes contact details. The bureaux then sell this information to third parties for marketing. Although the NCA prevents credit providers from marketing without your consent, it does not restrict the bureaux.

    Odette 11/3/2008 1:40:02 PM
    The email unsubscribe doesn't always work either. More than once I've unsubscribed from a mailing list yet those emails just kept on streaming into my Inbox.

    chillepeppa 11/3/2008 1:58:15 PM
    And when you call to ask "but y?", they use the it takes so many days for it to be effective yadda yadda yadda. Why can somecompanies have the cutoff be effective immediately, and it is, and others not? I'm just soooo glad this is not the job I'm doing. I def don't abbuse them when they call me, but I'm sure plenty people do.

    Telesales Victim 11/3/2008 1:59:39 PM
    My technique is to put the sales person on hold for a while and then request to speak to their supervisor. With the supervisor I try to find how my name and number got onto their database and request that I do not get conated again. This sometimes works and adds to the telesales costs. Also: My experiance is that it is banks who are most willing to diseminate your information.

    Shaheer 11/3/2008 2:31:20 PM
    What gets my blood boiling is having to pay R2 to send the unsubscribe message... why should I pay to remove something I didn't ask for in the first place?

    DiGi 11/3/2008 3:13:39 PM
    Worst is when the telesales agent hastles you for contact details of friends and/or family. The persitent bugger called me back on three occasions after I had refused to take up their offer!! I've grown weary of answering "private number" calls.

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