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Chris Roper

Losing my religion

2008-05-14 13:01

Chris Roper

When I was doing my usual Wednesday morning dash around the News24 newsroom, begging the journalists to give me ideas for my (late) column, one of them said to me, "Why not write about all the UFOs that people have seen over Britain. And about Einstein saying that it's childish to believe in God."

Well, I got totally over-excited. There's nothing I'd like more that to have little green men (and I'm not talking about Pakistanis, before anyone writes an irate e-mail) invade the UK, and it's even more exciting if someone has managed to communicate with Einstein, who is still dead if I'm not mistaken.

Alas, it turns out that the UFO sightings are more than likely the by-product of drinking beer and eating that vindaloo (literally, "water of the toilet") rubbish that drunk Englishmen seem to like stuffing their faces with.

The news report informs us that "One 'spotting' was easily dismissed. In 1982, customers of The Walnut Tree pub near Tunbridge Wells in southwest England reported seeing red and green flashing lights in the sky. But when quizzed where exactly they had spotted the strange lights they pointed in the direction of the busy London Gatwick airport."

So no aliens there.

And Einstein did not in fact communicate from beyond the grave, as they say in the classics, but in an old letter he wrote in 1954. In it, he said "The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish."

Imagine

Still, it's worth looking at both those issues, given what's happening in the news recently. I say happening in the news, but of course it's actually happening in the world, and specifically Alexandra township.

Here, hordes of jolly South Africans are blikseming anybody who looks vaguely alien, and if they can't find enough of those, raping their countrywomen to keep their hand in until a suitable foreign devil comes along.

Imagine if aliens decided to land on earth. Obviously, they'd avoid America and Tom Cruise, since they'd have watched Hollywood movies on their scanners. Imagine they decided to pick a friendly South African neighbourhood. They wouldn't last five minutes, especially if they were little green men (Die, Nigerian soccer fan! Die!).

I must say, this is one of those days when I'm not proud to be a South African.

But back to God - despite Einstein's assertion that belief in God is childish, a lot of people still have faith. Of course, a lot of people have faith in UFOs too.

Confused

Happily, the Vatican has just released a statement saying that the Catholic hierarchy are now equal-opportunity nutjobs. "The Vatican's chief astronomer says there is no conflict between believing in God and in the possibility of 'extraterrestrial brothers' perhaps more evolved than humans."

It's a sad day when a Catholic priest is willing to give a Bug-Eyed Monster a break, but our countrymen are killing fellow Africans.

It confuses me. I can't help wondering what Einstein would make of it. Perhaps he'd conclude that it might be childish to believe in God or UFOs, but it's much, much worse when you appear to have nothing to believe in at all.

  • Chris Roper is the Editor-in-Chief of 24.com.

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  • Of Coarse 5/14/2008 1:31:56 PM
    I have nothing to lose when I die and my faith in God led to nothing but darkness. But Einstein has allot to lose when Jesus Christ was the only Son of God and He does judge us when we die. I would rather take my chances and believe in the Love of God which I felt and no one cant take that away from me.

    Simone 5/14/2008 1:34:23 PM
    Editor-in-chief? I don't get your article. Makes no sense at all!

    bossie 5/14/2008 1:40:42 PM
    Ye everyday i still see the light.Some beutiful flowers and trees.The birds is still flying.I woke up this morning.Whowe God is Alive!!!! But no aliens around! Never seen one either!!

    M 5/14/2008 1:52:16 PM
    Now you've gone and make me lose all hope.

    colin 5/14/2008 1:54:32 PM
    I believe in GOD and I will not defend his existence with people who thinks that they know everything ? just as the theories and inventions of Einstein have been proven to be true so also have numerous accounts of what is written in the Bible (THE WORD OF GOD) been proven as viable the truth. Being a Christian gives me the values and norms to live a good live and the conscience to make the correct decisions ? With the power of GOD everything is possible.

    Les-Maada 5/14/2008 1:54:41 PM
    the Rwandan Genocide,Bosnia,Iraq,Palestine,Beirut & currently Alexandra!!And as if that was'nt enough..Maynnmar, After New Orleans(Where most casualties were Black ppl) & The Tsunami which are just natural disasters for the record & still have Faith in God's existence..?Well, one may argue that he still loves us all but judging by the worlds current affairs shouldn't the Quection be who does he loves most?(If he really exist that is) Nice piece Chris!

    Johann 5/14/2008 2:04:22 PM
    On the violence and terror portion of your post I cant comment, as I believe thats just wrong. However on the Orleans, Thai Tsunami, Chinese quake and natural disasters, i honestly belief that its earths hard way of rectifying over population. Its really sad but most of these natural disasters occur in the worlds densely populatated areas.

    Chris Roper 5/14/2008 2:05:52 PM
    Simone, if you don't get my article, I urge you to examine your own heart. And by heart I mean brain. WHAT don't you get? To quote The London Times, it's a "witty, stylish tour-de-force that will repay the attentive reader." Of course, they were talking about Price and Prejudice, but no matter.

    Birdman 5/14/2008 2:07:28 PM
    Green men (Aliens) would also enjoy more rights and protection than the citizens would have if they came to SA. The people act when the leadership fails them. The aliens (illegals and/or green ones) cannot be identified anymore as Home Affairs allowed them in without restriction. A bad, sad situation. Faith in God must be child-like, not childish- He is still there!

    aa 5/14/2008 2:09:30 PM
    ha ha, brilliant article, well written

    thabo 5/14/2008 2:11:45 PM
    everything has its origin Chief the universe do you think it just exist on its own,wrong the is only one master mind which is the image of man and he gave human o.5% of brain capabilties as compare to himself

    Wolslang 5/14/2008 2:19:38 PM
    So being an atheist deprives me of the values and norms to live a good live and the conscience to make the correct decisions? Also, typing your opinion in UPPER CASE does not make it true... there is no evidence supporting the claim that the Bible is THE WORD OF GOD. It's the writings of superstitious men from a time before education and science. I've never seen an alien, neither have I seen a Jesus, a god or any evidence for their existence whatsoever.

    Jimmy Mc 5/14/2008 2:20:04 PM
    Hey Chris, chill bro', like Shakespeare wrote "a thing is not either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" . . .

    ElectroMan 5/14/2008 2:25:44 PM
    How the universe as we know it came to be, still relies on THE DIVINE CREATOR. Big bang theory is a great guide to lead us along explanation of how it was done, but can only go so far. Think of a box and we were created in it. No chance to get out or see outside of it, unless THE CREATOR allows it. I believe we live within THE CREATOR. Whatever you do, think and say therefore affects THE CREATOR directly, so be weary of you actions.

    GailC 5/14/2008 2:29:40 PM
    I am not sure whether one can post recommendations here but for both believers and non believers there are some books you ought to read. Slave species of god by M Tellinger - how "gods interfered with our DNA in order to mine gold (origins of slavery and money) Out of Africa's Eden by Stephen Oppenheimer (scientists explanation of origins of man) and www.answersinGenesis.com. It might open the eyes of people and allow them to write intelligent responses here. The Annunakiwere the first colonists

    ravche 5/14/2008 2:31:03 PM
    I have no proof as to the existance of god or aliens ... but i'm more willing to believe in the latter ... until they come visit and tell me they were created by god ... then i'll revisit the subject :)

    MT 5/14/2008 2:31:23 PM
    I think the end of the world in near, it's say's in the bible that before the 2nd coming of Christ things like this that are happening around the world would happen , and only those who believe would be saved.

    Koch Froneman 5/14/2008 2:31:26 PM
    God does exist. There is no doubt about that. His existence is proven all over the world - you must just open your eyes, read the Bible and believe. God does not love certain people more than others. He died on the cross for ALL MANKIND! Not just for a selected few. Only a selected few will however enter the Kingdom of God and those selected few are the few that accepted Him into their hearts and lives, repent from the wrong ways and serve Him, the King of all kings.God's judgment is pure.

    Bridget 5/14/2008 2:31:42 PM
    IMO there is a fundamental difference between faith in God and belief in something. I believe that there are giant squid in the sea, but I do not worship them! :) The alien thing is so logical though: Countless stars with countless planets. We exist, therefore we prove that it is a possiblility that sentient life may evolve. Therefore, statistically there must be an argument for other sentient lifeforms.

    Riaan 5/14/2008 2:32:52 PM
    Quote Hemant Mehta: "Part of Pascal?s Wager states that you ?lose nothing? by believing. But an atheist would disagree. By believing under these conditions, you?re acknowledging that you?re willing to accept some things on faith. In other words, you?re saying you?re willing to abandon evidence as your standard for judging reality.". I agree with this notion and with Einstein. I also believe that Einstein would agree that there might be "little green men" somewhere in our vast universe.

    psycobabble 5/14/2008 2:33:07 PM
    I tried to read between the lines of your article but I could'nt see anything but a blurry flicker in the distance.

    mark 5/14/2008 2:34:39 PM
    By the way,Les Maada, God did not create the earth the way it currently is with war, violence and genocide. The first 2 chapters of Genesis state that!It is because of our sin and wicked hearts that we are in the state we are. You are composed of 75 trillion cells,and there are about 800 billion known stars in the known universe and people have the gall to question his existence...oh i supposed they evolved ( my goodness we do have a lot of faith then!).

    Bridget 5/14/2008 2:35:17 PM
    Natural disasters should not affect your belief in God, neither should the death of a loved one or illness. God does not make these things happen or send them to punish us! It is merely that the world is flawed. And in a flawed world bad things happen. It is not a punishment. As I understand it the punishing will commence when the braai in hell is fired up at the end of days, or perhaps just when a person gets there!

    GailC 5/14/2008 2:36:18 PM
    Those who espouse Evolution need to realise that Darwin was in part responsible for Racism since his book Origin of the Species has an alternative title which is blatantly racist. People who followed him were Carl Marx and Lenin and Hitler to mention but a few. Haeckel was another one. Google these and see if I am not correct? God made us, alien gods altered and indoctrinated our ancestors with favouritism etc because they needed our gold. And they looked a lot like us soI don't believe in UfOs

    Gail C 5/14/2008 2:40:49 PM
    All subjects to provoke people into response of a negative kind. Columnists know that and they deliver every time and the readers and respondents including me play into their hands as we are so predictable as humans? Thanks for the opening Chris. Wish I could earn by writing column this easily.

    Eduan 5/14/2008 2:45:13 PM
    Colin,what are you saying? Can only christians make good decisions? I'm not a christian, But I'm perfectly capable of living a good an honest life, with the same good Norms and values as yourself. You dont need to be a christian or religious to incorporate those ethics in your lifestyle or be a good person.

    WTF? 5/14/2008 2:46:08 PM
    I think Les-Maada just called God a racist...

    Alicia 5/14/2008 2:49:21 PM
    Chris, as a mother and grandmother, I urge you to go to the next "Mighty Men" get together, soon to be held in Cape Town. You'll meet great people, and who knows, have a wonderful time, and change direction altogether. Come on, take a chance, you have nothing to loose. Also, God made the entire Universe, little green men and all. All in all, a good article.

    Jaco 5/14/2008 2:50:39 PM
    Not only in your column, but comments too! But oh dear, reading the righteous oh-so-God-fearing responses, I hope you knew what you let yourself in for! People who figure Einstein isn't proven but the Bible is. Hmm, seems the pubcrawlers near Gatwick aren't the only deluded ones it seems! (And to "Of Coarse", you make it sound like fear of hell is a cornerstone of your faith. Hope I'm wrong.)

    taurus 5/14/2008 2:51:48 PM
    Don't you just love Of Coarse's post? Covering his wickets!

    Quantum Leap 5/14/2008 3:00:08 PM
    Einstein failed to purport a "theory of everything" wherein life, physics and the universe could be explained.How do explain that atomic components are actually formed of empty space(forces or beats). How can stuff be formed by non-stuff? How does empty space in one part of the universe know to produce the same type of matter as produced by another empty space light years away? The answer is you cannot because there is no physics for the "omnipresency omnipotency and omnisciency" of empty space.

    Foxie 5/14/2008 3:02:19 PM
    I find it amazing that whenever somebody makes a statement of believe something that contradicts the Bible most Christians immediately demand proof from you. Yet how do they provide proof for what they believe in? How do you prove that God exists? The Bible supposedly preaches the Truth, yet there are more religions based on the Bible than there are books in the Bible. So which one is in fact preaching the Truth (whatever that may be)?

    Nastassia 5/14/2008 3:08:43 PM
    Tancredo Neves said if he got 500,000 votes from his party, not even God would remove him from Presidency. Sure he got the votes, but he got sick a day before being made President, then he died . John Lennon, Cazuza, Marilyn Monroe they all mocked God too so go on your knees Chris!!!

    Fool 5/14/2008 3:09:44 PM
    Einstein said nothing of UFOs, he spoke of God. And why is it worse to believe in nothing? All religion was created to keep the human species sane. People will much rather believe they were put here for a reason to justify their existence, instead of just accepting facts that we are but mere animals with the capacity to think, invent and reason. Though if i look at the violence in this country i doubt we still have those abilities

    Tuffy 5/14/2008 3:13:00 PM
    This piece was obviously put together with a deadline staring you in the face. I enjoyed it nevertheless. I so wish for balanced comment from readers rather than the usual predictable comments - everyone wants everyone else to conform to their own beliefs. Personally I don't care for religion but that does not mean I am the perfect target for religous persons to try bring around to christianity or whatever religion. You want to believe in a super being? Do that but don't preach your beliefs to me

    Amused 5/14/2008 3:14:07 PM
    I am so enthalled by the comments. You article was so so, agreed, not entirely sure what your point is. But watch as all those trying so desperately hard to justify their believes. Oh my the threat of intellect vs. religion. Pray for me believers, pray for my lost soul. I'm going to grab a coffee and enjoy progress and evolution.

    J.O 5/14/2008 3:15:46 PM
    Please don't use these two terms interchangeably. I am religious, I believe in God. Christians believe in (a man called) Jesus who they want to equate with God. If I say I believe in God it doesn't mean I accept Jesus too (he was a prophet in my eyes). Christians, please accept that there are other religions too (as well as atheists). And for the love of God, don't try and try and prove the Bible using quotes from the Bible, it's just plain stupid.And stop trying to convert people the whole time.

    Sam 5/14/2008 3:20:33 PM
    The world is temporary and heaven for your everlasting life, THAT IS IF YOU GO THERE.

    CTheB 5/14/2008 3:22:06 PM
    Nice one, Chris. Of course, I knew when I read the headline that you'd be opening up the standard can of religious/anti-religious worms. Apparently there is a god - it's been pointed out here that there is proof. I can only assume that it's kept really well hidden and I'd like to take this opportunity to ask for it finally to be revealed to the world. I've just realised something - god hangs out with aliens; Elvis hangs out with aliens... Elvis is god!

    Aurius 5/14/2008 3:24:50 PM
    Spot on Thabo you said it so simple, we can't compare Einstein, Mandela, Ghandi etc,etc with God coz God is SUPER HUMAN case closed<>.

    Fresh 5/14/2008 3:25:38 PM
    from a magazine stated that "If you wanna see how cruel God is look at Africa" and there was a photo of a sickly child ready to die and behind the child was a vulture waiting to feed on her. Makes you think. Which side of the fence are you on?

    SAS 5/14/2008 3:26:31 PM
    Hi Chris, I do find your post very funny, but I just need you to understand one thing about "religion". If you look at people, you generally will be dissapointed most of the time. But if you look to God and His teachings, you will find them unfallible. Also remember the Catholic church is a religion based on Christianity, but most of their rituals is man made...i.e. fallible.

    Dark Knight 5/14/2008 3:29:39 PM
    The fact that physics cannot explain a simple thing like how intelligence exists by using the inherent rules of physics (burden of proof) means that physics is a limited science. Hence Einstein was limited by his limited knowledge, therefore physics cannot proove or disprove the existence of a soul much less the existence of God. First let physics explain how forces(non-stuff) create atoms (stuff). How does nothing form into something?

    CTheB 5/14/2008 3:36:55 PM
    Firstly, you show your complete lack of knowledge of physics and science in general. Second, you show your complete lack of knowledge about logic, which is far worse. By your argument, the fact that you can't explain god immediately renders your faith in god invalid. Please explain intelligence, since it's so simple. If you have to invoke god then you'd better be able to explain god, too, otherwise you're not actually explaining anything.

    H 5/14/2008 3:38:04 PM
    What proof do YOU have that there is no God? I am not trying to prove the existence of God although I do believe in Him. However, I don't force that opinion on anyone. Before telling us there is no God because we have no proof, why don't you prove that there is no God? I am up for an open minded debate as long as it remains respectful and sincere. If any of you are prepared to read the facts then I will happily debate.

    niels 5/14/2008 3:39:43 PM
    Interesting title for your article. Losing my religion was R.E.M's biggest hit. The band's name is an acronym for Rapid Eye Movement. This is something you get when you sleep. Which is what this article has threatened to do to me. I don't know if you are losing your religion but you are losing your touch. I am with Simone on this one... I don't get your article at all. PS: Pride, not Price, and prejudice.

    Theresa 5/14/2008 3:39:49 PM
    You have a very nice smile, Chris

    Mark R. 5/14/2008 3:43:39 PM
    Now THAT'S a nice slip-up, Chris... ;-) BTW, I find it queer that the believers in these comments proclaim a loving God, but the only reason they believe in him is their (un)holy fear for hell. That's like a parent asking his child to believe in parental love - "and if you don't, I'll give you a hiding." Totally perverse.

    psyocbabble 5/14/2008 3:43:53 PM
    Thats easy.There is no such thing as nothing

    BowDownToMe 5/14/2008 3:44:39 PM
    Man has been creating gods since the dawn of consciousness. Believing in any one of them is as ridiculous (or childish, as Einstein said) as believing in Mother Goose or the Tooth Fairy. "On the sixth day, God created Man. On the seventh, Man returned the favour"

    AS 5/14/2008 3:45:39 PM
    The proof that GOD exists is in the Holy Quraan. This divine book is not only for Muslims. Anyone can read it. IT is the Final Testimant of GOD Get your hands on a copy asap.

    Soso 5/14/2008 3:47:53 PM
    The evidence is all around us you just pretend not to see it, He is everywhere. There are thingz that are out of man's control God proved His existence by creating everything including you and me He wakes you up everymorning. Be grateful to Him for everything He allowed you to be and to have because you do not have the power to do anything. You can't even have a baby if He doesn't allow it. He is my source of Strength without Him I can do nothing, in Him I can do all things.

    Dark Knight 5/14/2008 3:49:30 PM
    Omnipresent(same everywhere) and Omniscient(knowing synchronicity)- How does one empty space(force=nonmatter)know HOW to react to create a hydrogen atom the same way as another space. What keeps the structure of the two hydrogen atoms intact without it disappearing in the very next instance(timeline).OMNIPOTENCY - what exactly is this power/potential of empty space that enables it to create dimensional matter?

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