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David Moseley

The right to choose

2009-06-02 12:02

I've noticed that the whale killings this past weekend have produced something close to hysteria and indignation amongst News24's readers and letter writers.

I'm also certain that at this very moment there's a woman who hasn't washed in a week, sitting in a tie-die smock, furiously scribbling a letter to the Cape Times which will drip with her eco-friendly disgust at the inhumane end these animals met. Not much happens in the Cape - apart from flooding - so when a whale gets murdered it's big news.

The standout comment on the matter has to be this, from a teary-eyed News24 user who even used a little unhappy emoticon face to illustrate his woe over the situation: "What if those whales were people, nobody would even think about shooting them."

There was another, which I can't find right now, which said something to the same effect, about humans "not lining up the sick and dying in the streets and putting them out of their misery". To which I say, why not?

There's been a similar frenzy to the whale massacring outrage in the British papers, only this brouhaha is concerned with a Swiss suicide clinic (Dignitas) and a person's right to choose their own expiry date (and method. I believe it's only lethal injection, though. Even if you'd like to go out in a blaze of glory, you can't request a firing squad of Swiss doctors with six-guns dressed in 10 gallon hats and chaps to shout ‘draw’).

Evolutionary check

Anyway, as of May 31 this year there are around 800 Britons on the waiting list to get plugged in, only to have the power switched off. These patients, it should be noted, are all suffering from terminal illnesses. They are suffering.

This from the Guardian: "One of the 34 (British patients) is due to undertake an accompanied suicide very soon. Four have already secured fixed dates for their deaths, but adjourned them. The remaining 29 have not yet arranged a specific date."

Admittedly, it's pretty harrowing stuff. Picking out a date on the calendar, ticking it off like a regular "Johnny round for lunch'" date, except this time it says "June 20. British & Irish Lions vs Springboks, 3pm. Meet thy maker, 730pm." But if not, why not?

There is little agreement on why the whales beached. But it's also a phenomenon that's been occurring for decades and probably centuries. One theory is that it's a naturally evolutionary check.

The whale pod reaches critical mass and so plonks itself on the nearest beach. I don't know if that's true, but it sounds reasonable to me. Too many mouths too feed, not enough to go around, let's cut the numbers. The animals were suffering, so bullets were used.

Humans, however, are obsessed with prolonging the agony. Right through from anti-aging creams to miracle cures for cancer, we're determined to eke out a longer life at any cost - maybe not the people suffering the most, but certainly the families.

Living longer

Our evolutionary check of the aged passing away is drawn out. The old live longer, but in what kind of state. (And let's be marginally cynical here for just a moment: be honest; if you've got a feeble-bodied, seriously ill older relative tottering around in your life, it's a lot of hard work).

I was in the hospital yesterday getting x-rays on a cracked tooth and I felt bad because I was so alive. Almost everyone else in the x-ray ward looked one stiff drink away from the grave.

I had no urge to run around like some hospital assisted-suicide avenger, unplugging dialyses machines with a cheery farewell to the dying and decrepit. But it does get you thinking. If you can go with a little dignity, you should definitely have the right to choose.

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Cynic 6/2/2009 12:13:26 PM
Amen.

susie 6/2/2009 12:19:46 PM
I heartily agree with you David. I sometimes wonder if I'm a cold hearted biatch but then I remember how my dad suffered in a prolonged painful death and how my mum's life was affected. Euthenasia all the way to end suffering, humans and animals.

Joe Soap 6/2/2009 12:25:14 PM
Your column actually has a valuable punchline amongst all the dark humour. I'm impressed!

IZ 6/2/2009 12:34:21 PM
Agree with you absolutely. Brilliantly written!

Absolutely 6/2/2009 12:52:27 PM
I couldn't agree more. My father died in December after suffering for 20 years and being a home for the last 2 and constantly begging to die. The last few days, in hospital, we put a "Do Not Resucitate" notice on him and I heard one nurse ask how we can want him to die. Easy. He was in pain. He wanted some dignity. RIP Daddy. I love you.

Alan 6/2/2009 12:55:49 PM
despite myself i found this an interesting article and a good read.

david jacobs 6/2/2009 1:01:51 PM
F the "right". Just choose.

Lila 6/2/2009 1:10:23 PM
i dnt think th problem is about the actual euthanasia. the problem is those who would abuse it, especially when due to inherit some serious lucre. i would also prefer th option of offing myself rather than being a burden in pain - but who's to say my son didnt convince me it was for th best. as 4 th whales, has anyone considered hiring whale singers from the Pacific islands?

julia 6/2/2009 1:29:22 PM
I'm not actually sure why the shooting of the whales has caused such an outcry - what were they supposed to do? Leave these animals to die naturally over the period of a few days in agony? Surely that is not the humane thing to do? People truly just need something to whinge about - I cannot believe that someone would even compare shooting the whales to doing the same to people... come now, please.

chap 6/2/2009 1:32:20 PM
couldn't we just provide a high bridge with a low handrail somewhere? might help with the red tape.

Jimmy Jackpot 6/2/2009 1:39:19 PM
Rock on, David!!

Karen 6/2/2009 1:46:52 PM
Totally agree, we should all have the right to euthanisia, just like our pets do. Why on earth are we allowed to treat our pets humanely and yet if your granny is terminal she must suffer baby. And if her heart gives in it will be shocked and shocked back to life until it just cannot be shocked back anymore. Never mind the fact that she is begging to go, never mind the fact that she can't feed herself, keep any food down, can't take care of her own bodily functions, doesn't recognise anybody or even know who she is, but she is alive and must be forced to suck in every last breath they can force into her lungs. I think it is disgusting and I also think these laws were put in place to give scientists some specimens to work on a cure for and the pharmaceutical companies business out of each person for as long as is currently possible.

Clinton 6/2/2009 1:46:57 PM
As they say: "Die young and make a good looking corpse"! I think we should be allowed to put ourselves out of our own misery if we so choose. No one should have the right to deny another person of fulfilling his/her last wishes. I agree with David 100%.

Caroline 6/2/2009 1:48:06 PM
I completely agree

b 6/2/2009 1:53:23 PM
good column. as a vet it's difficult to make decisions about euthanasia, really don't know how doctors would do it.

b 6/2/2009 1:56:53 PM
good column. as a vet it's difficult to make decisions about euthanasia, really don't know how doctors would do it.

Silver Fox 6/2/2009 2:15:20 PM
Agree with you 100%.Oldies must never become a burden they have had there time in the sun...no worries!!

Brenda 6/2/2009 2:21:59 PM
I know that I will get many negative comments on this, but as a Christian, we cannot take our own lives even if we are suffering. Do I believe in this - after much soul searching and looking at the evidence at both sides and seeing people suffer that I love - I am still believe that I cannot take someone life nor can I take my own life if I do have some terminal illness. I will go against God's will. On the whales - I don't believe any animal should suffer.

Jenny Nel 6/2/2009 2:23:34 PM
Yes. right on the button. To be allowed to end our own suffering, die with dignity and save our loved ones such terrible heartache : How can that be uncivilized?

Tony 6/2/2009 2:26:26 PM
In life, death is a dead certainty. Agree with Joe Soap - your punchline is a knockout!

Nonsenser 6/2/2009 2:34:36 PM
Rubbish!!!
Irrespective of whether we, as humans, should or shouldn't have the right to end our own lives, the same should apply to whales. If they choose to do so by dying of exposure on a beach, who are we to interfere (as well as choose the method of dying for them) by shooting them in the head?!!!

By the way, David, there is no such thing as "a women" in the English language.

cos 6/2/2009 2:35:16 PM
So where does this stop and who chooses what the exact amount of "quality of life" is that is worth living? So now when a child is born blind or deaf should we kill it because it will suffer, a child born lame - oh yes, definitely kill that child. Save them from suffering you see. Then we move to money. Soon those people who feel that their families cant cope with the expense of a protracted illness-kill themselves; or those who feel their families cant cope emotionally -kill themselves too! Your life is not yours to take and you will find that out sooner or later!

Concerned 6/2/2009 2:45:51 PM
I think the issue was not so much the fact that the whales were killed, it was that it was done in full view of the families and volunteers who tried to help the animals. Officials should have cleared the beach before taking such actions, viewing something like that is quite traumatizing.

Ty 6/2/2009 2:51:55 PM
The last time I checked, humans were also animals. What's your thought on that Brenda? Religion, including Christianity, is a fairy tale. What is frightening is religious nuts use these fairy tales to rob people of dignity from across all walks of life. If you embodied all of the wonderful characteristics, you'd be first in line to help put a willing person out of their misery. Next!

GT 6/2/2009 2:55:58 PM
Christian responses confuse me. Their King chose to die on the cross for them. Was that not assisted suicide or as they say in the US - suicide by cop. If this had not happened, their would be no last supper, Calvary, roosters crowing, tombstones rolling, Turin shroud, communion, forgiveness of sin... the whole story collapses.
My point is, let people make up their own mind about their own lives and allow them to live or die in peace. Keep your nose out of it and worry about yourself.

colin 6/2/2009 2:58:54 PM
If that is your choice then to me you are a coward.

CTheB 6/2/2009 3:00:26 PM
Actually, no Christian can condone the killing of the whales or anything else. The Bible says thou shalt not kill, not thou shalt not kill human beings.

CTheB 6/2/2009 3:06:56 PM
@Concerned - the people refused to leave. Officials attempted to clear the beach and people wouldn't leave. It's the joy of morbid fascination. It's the same thing that has people hope to see something gruesome at an accident, so they slow down to look.

elsje 6/2/2009 3:09:30 PM
i feel so sorry for you people,the more so for GT.What a sorry mixed up person you are.

The Dude 6/2/2009 3:24:12 PM
And Colin - to me you're an idiot. Chop!

Gus 6/2/2009 3:41:36 PM
Argh David, you just love trying to stir up abit of nonsence to get some attention with your articles. At times, you remind me of Julius Malema. Always have to be cynical and your article is'nt quite done without the over elaborate use of words. It's pretty poor journalism by most standards.

Suzy 6/2/2009 3:57:35 PM
Surely, if its MY life, then its MY decision to make? I notice some people say that it's not the case and i only assume that they mean it belongs to God. However, i am not a big believer in God, so surely, i can have his decision making power over me? as for the whales, its incredibly sad that they had to die, but letting nature take its course means they will lie there until the weight of their organs kills them - i wouldn't wish that on anyone!

Kage 6/2/2009 4:11:36 PM
If it is wrong in God's eyes to end your life then surely it is wrong to prolong it with man made machines and drugs? If God gives you a terminal illness, then surely you should let it be and not fight it? But Christians are all for taking a medical route to prolong a life. It's funny how religious folk can twist things to suit what they believe. *shakes head*

GT 6/2/2009 4:20:28 PM
Colin - you need to understand that no one gives a shit what you think. Seriously - you thinking that someone is a coward for ending a life of suffering is the most self-righteous tripe I have read this week. It is only Tuesday, but I doubt it will be topped. Standing in judgement is a skill reserved for the pious and shameless.
Let me guess... you believe in the death penalty for criminals.

Bonny 6/2/2009 4:27:24 PM
@ cos..you are being a tad over emotional bud. The issue is not euthanizing young children who are disabled, but rather helping older, informed, terminal people who wish to end it all.
I am also a little confused by Brenda's comments..seems she will allow her pets more dignity than people. Nothing really wrong with that as most pets are nicer than people anyway. but she does profess to be christian and all..
Good article.


ElectroMan 6/2/2009 4:29:46 PM
This is one major topic where some religions and plain logic clash. (Whoopie! Science not the main-blame-child here) People will argue that it's immoral to have assisted suicide and against God's will. Who are we as sinful humans to decide what God's will is? People use medicine, have operations, eat the right food and use non-violent methods to debate (leaving the war option) everyday to prolong life, but when it comes to assisted suicide it's ultimate devilry and against God's will? People in narrow religious mindsets should really catch a wake-up call. Life happens the way it does and life includes everything humans do or decide not to do.

ElectroMan 6/2/2009 4:43:05 PM
(continue) When a person makes a conscience decision to join a military, it certainly can be classified as pending possible suicide OR even worse, gambling with your life. If you free willingly play contact sports (rugby, which i played well myself), does this not count as gambling unnecessary with your life? Those who claim that they know God's will, please also answer these questions OR use the usual 'Not all things are meant to be understood' reply. I seriously believe the human-made religious way of reasoning is flawed and serves as a major insult to God.

marion woldendorp 6/2/2009 4:59:30 PM
We have recently voted to allow assisted suicide in Washington State, USA, and it is not as easy as it might sound. You have to have doctors, lawyers etc approving it even if it is your decision. No such thing as waking up today and deciding this is the day I want to die. It is also not a case of which family member will benefit Good article. As for the whales, as terrible as it might sound, they were going to die anyway, rather put them out of their misery.

doff 6/2/2009 5:20:45 PM
there was a rport on television that the effects of the suicides were being sold for the benefit of the persons organising the deaths

Jason 6/2/2009 5:36:28 PM
As one user stated - the bigger problem (from a practical point of view) is how to stop a system of euthanasia from being abused. Another thing is that the right to gain access to something so drastic, should be evaluated for each individual, and the merit for such a course of action. Who decides, what gives one sufficient cause to make it legit, how do you regulate it - those are all difficult questions, but should euthanasia exist at all - yes I think so. As for Christianity, I do believe our modern technology allows for us to "suffer" to our deaths for FAR LONGER than any Christian who created the bible could have ever imagined or conceived possible. That does put the 'ethics' of the Bible into question, or rather, the degree of relevance and direct interpretation.

Ty 6/2/2009 6:09:28 PM
Say that to me Colin if you're ever in the situation where you can't wipe your own backside or feed yourself or sleep due to the unbearable pain. Is it cowardness to end the needless suffering and end the burden you are to your family & friends. If so I'd rather be a coward than an arrogant & ignorant fool you are.

Calvin 6/2/2009 7:08:11 PM
Forget about the whales, and suicide and other depressing things. You look dashing in the new picture, David... lol

Johnny Rotten 6/2/2009 7:13:59 PM
Re cos's post: The question here is one of whether a person has the right to choose when to end his or her life. If you look at euthanasia legislation around the world, a requirement is that the person who is about to snuff themselves is compos mentis, and has the mental ability to choose. Furthermore, your argument is somewhat off topic, as the idea of a child's right to claim as it would have been better had it never been born has been thrown out by the courts, not to mention any right-thinking person. People should have the right to choose the time of their death, as it comes to all of us, and why not help nature along the way? Certainly, save yourself the agony of cancer or a lingering death. And, yes, I have watched family members dying in excruciating pain, and wished only to be able to help them get it over with that much sooner.

Z 6/2/2009 7:20:51 PM
I agree

Funeral planner 6/2/2009 8:24:31 PM
I'm a planner. It would be nice to plan when and how I die, so that I can savour the years I have left. Preferably I would not be ill or feeble, but able to say goodbye to my friends and family leaving them secure and happy and knowing I am ready. Old age robs us of our will and often makes us greedy and inconsiderate. Ideally we should decide an age to die long before we reach it and stick to our decision. (That's the tricky bit.)

Mands 6/2/2009 8:48:45 PM
Great article. 100% agree with you. Life is about the choices we make. PS: There is a couple of people on these site that ould do us all a favour by choosing the lethal injection.

Sharon 6/3/2009 8:12:03 AM
Ty, you clearly checking in the wrong places my friend, i think you confusing your fairy tale books with the word of God. Believe me even 'christians' grapple with the concept of suffering. its not
easily understandable.
GT you are right, without the crucifiction and resurrection the story collpases, but it happened and so its stands.

TB 6/3/2009 8:34:47 AM
@ cos: Please don't be ridiculous. Being blind, deaf or a retard is not life threatening or terminal. Stick to the point: Euthenasia is a personal choice to end ones own life should your condition be terminal and cause undue suffering - not somebody elses or your families desicion. I agree on the issue. If it can be proven beyond any doubt that the decision was your own,then so be it!

Al 6/3/2009 8:41:55 AM
David, The longer life achieved through "medical science" is brought about partly by the greed of the medical and pharmaceutical professions. The life of the old will be prolonged until the medical aid/insurance runs out. Having had an experience of a parent living 5 years past expiry date brought me to new insights. There is a marked difference between quantity and quality of life. I think I will put some money aside for a 75th birthday of note: There will be an abundance of food, wine, dancers, music, whatever else is needed for a feast, with no going home time. Just party until you drop. If you survive, you live to go to another party, if not you leave as a stiff.

Piet Strydom 6/3/2009 8:47:10 AM
You have the right to choose, on the one end of the spectrum it is called a living, and each person should have one. It speaks for you when you are no longer able to. Whether it is because of a coma, or PVS, or whatever reason. On the other side you have suicide. (When you are not terminally ill.) And in the middle is a grey area which should be treated with great circumspection. And to Brenda, Christians (counting myself) respects God as the giver of life. In the same we cannot take life that He gave, we cannot keep alive what He has decided to die. And that is the price (life death decisions) that some families have to pay, so that we all can have an advanced medical infrastructure around us.

Sterretjie 6/3/2009 8:48:22 AM
Hmmm reminds me of an episode of House...the dr is asked the question: Can she at least die with some dignity...he answers? :We live with dignity, we dont die with it. Or something to that effect...Anyhow. We know House is not known for his bedside manner. The whales? Well, they beached. We dont know why animals behave the way they do. We did not make them. Maybe someday that is one of the usefull questions you can ask when you cross the river. Whales beach. Certain insects and spiders kill their mate after mating...Sea lions rape. Squids, or whatever theyre called, the ones in Australia, mate with multiple partners in a huge sexual orgy. So, do we rush to save the poor male from falling victim to the black widow? Nope. Do we rush to save the poor young female sea lions from rape? Nope. Are we disgusted at the sex orgy? Nope. People should get their priorities straight. And yes, I agree some humans act more like animals than animals.

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