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Georgina Guedes

Just 'lunatics and alcohol?'

2008-09-03 07:27

Dear Editor,

I would like to comment about a story that was reported in some news sectors about the treatment of a woman at the Coca Cola park last Saturday during a rugby match.

This story was about a black lady who was discriminated against because she came to watch a rugby match. The story did not make headlines and I suppose this affirms my view that our news coverage is still very much biased.

When I heard this I asked myself what would have been the reaction had the same thing happened to a white person during a soccer match. I can guarantee you that there would have been an uproar, the story would have made international news and it would have cast a shadow of doubt on people visiting during the soccer World Cup.

Some people have blamed this on a few lunatics and alcohol. I didn't even know that alcohol is allowed during rugby games. This surprises me because we are not allowed to consume alcohol during soccer matches. What does this imply? You be the judge!

It is absolute nonsense to blame this on alcohol. What's worse is that none of the passerbys did anything about this.

These developments are obviously worrying because we are trying to build a rainbow nation here but if we continue to make the other side feel alienated, what do you think the reaction is going to be eventually? When are we going to come to point were south Africa belongs to all who live in it regardless of race, colour or creed.

Mapentsele

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NorthernExposure 9/3/2008 7:39:31 AM
I do not agree with your assumption that this has not made headline news. I do love rugby and read and participate on a lot of rugby blogs and this story was prominent on all of them. It was published on News24 yesterday and will sure make headlines today. Even posters on the blogs that are abroad picked up on this story in their local news papers. I do however agree that this is not acceptable and the bad apples responsible should be caught!

Francois 9/3/2008 7:43:19 AM
that these incidents are beyond IDIOTIC BUT is this not called returning a favour? http://www.news24.com/News24/Sport/Rugby/0,,2-9-838_2387073,00.html My point is... what does it take to change? I don't think anybody on this forum knows for sure.

MickyM 9/3/2008 7:45:21 AM
It's sad day when this sort of thing happens as sport and life is for evereyone to enjoy. But I can tell you that we are subjected to racial abuse almost everyday. Being white and living in a rural area is no walk in the park - you only have to go for a walk and see the racial abuse that gets hurled at you - Black and Coloured working people and very young children walking home from school - kids should know nothing of this but at times they are the worst. And the SAPS can do nothing about it !

smokey-smurf 9/3/2008 7:46:48 AM
Alcohol make people even bigger a55holes than they normally are. I'll support banning alcohol from rugby matches. And before anyone call me racist, I'm a whitey.

Dan 9/3/2008 7:49:20 AM
the incident that happened at Ellis park is unacceptable,but we also as black people need to stand up against racism against white people. There is too much misunderstandings out there, and yet i still believe that the large majority of the country is still looking to be a united south africa, and i think part of the proces is not only to stand up and make noise when "racism' happens against a black person, there are a lot of white people that also do suffer racism attacks out there...TBC

Bas 9/3/2008 7:50:05 AM
Firstly I would pay to see a white woman at a soccer match between our local teams and second of all what those idiots did was wrong. I was brought up with manners and respect for woman regardless of race. I have enjoyed many games at the Coca Cola park with with no such incidents between any races. These people should not be allowed at sport events.

Tim 9/3/2008 7:53:28 AM
I agree that it is unacceptable. One has to wonder if this sort of thing could not be handled in a more mature way. Maybe at the time of the incident with a huge fine and permanent suspension. All it does is alienate black folks who were thinking of going down to a test match. Give the losers some sort of infamy. Education will save us all. People should think before they act, especially if they are going to act like fools.

luciano 9/3/2008 7:53:59 AM
where is the security, I thought this was the first test run on security for the up coming world cup???????????????

JD 9/3/2008 7:56:10 AM
No coverage about the storie? You must be kidding with that remark? Its all over the news!

fandash 9/3/2008 7:58:17 AM
We as South Africans, portray a certain mentality at sports matches and one only needs to look at the camera shots of the crowd and see what image we portray. Drunken louts with a glass of beer in one hand, rings through the nose and painted. I was also a victim of violence at a rugby game, I am white but supported the wrong team at Loftus. This is downright thuggery and it has less to do with the colour of the victim, and more with whom you dare support. We call ourselves civilised?

JC 9/3/2008 7:59:27 AM
I am not so sure... Of course racial abuse is completely unacceptable, but 1 incident (of a few STUPID and drunk people) is keeping the racist fires burning across the country!!! This is an isolated case - not the perception around the country! As long as there is preferential treatment based on race, racisim would never end!

Chris 9/3/2008 7:59:29 AM
The story made the headlines of e news this morning, so don't try to play the "poor mistreated black person" card. Personally while I think the incident was disgusting, it's also not surprising. The way politicians are forcing the transformation issue is only widening the race gap in this country. Incidents like this are bound to happen until our leaders start focusing on the sport instead of the race... maybe then we'll win some more games.

ant 9/3/2008 8:01:47 AM
Mapentsele,if you really believe soccer supporters don't drink during games,then ur head is further up ur ass than i thought.i was at the game,the organization was terrible,it took forty minutes to enter the stadium,many people missed the first half altogether.if this is a trial for 2010,we are in trouble indeed.Also,i spoke to many people of colour,all who where having a great time.Yes,you will always get a few idiots who have no respect for others,but it's not exactly international news.

The Truth 9/3/2008 8:04:47 AM
except that there is an uproar in case you hadn't noticed.There is no place at rugby matches for racist white trash such as these people (and I for one don't agree with alcohol consumption at rugby matches either).What actually makes it far worse is that it was her first ever rugby match and this is what she gets.I only hope that all white people do not as usual get painted with a racist brush (of course I await the usual suspects to do exactly that).Where were the security officials anyway?

Hayley 9/3/2008 8:06:38 AM
The abuse which this woman suffered at the hands of these idiots is absolutely disgraceful. But the fact is that this was in the news I watched it on enews last night so it did make head lines. And I would also like to point out that there is just as much racial abuse aimed at whites as well and a lot of it goes unreported.

Filemon 9/3/2008 8:08:07 AM
I find the incident as reprehensible. I had bottles and bricks thrown at me after a soccer match. Similar blacks attacking whites after rugby in PE. But suspicios because she did not report this to security. Surely if she was so traumatised she would have sought safety with security or her companions.

Dries 9/3/2008 8:09:59 AM
A friend of mine was shot dead on Friday night. But because he was just another white guy shot by a black hijacker it did not even make the news. The ladies alledged victimisation has received wide coverage is the newspapers, online and on the radio... Yet nothing is said about the genocide in this country!

Big Bad Bob 9/3/2008 8:10:55 AM
The story was on the front page of The Star yesterday afternoon.

Tom 9/3/2008 8:12:37 AM
Lets not loose sight of the fact that there were 54 000 people at the game - so 3 morons is not a bad percentage. The woman should have reported it immediately and had the white trash tossed out of the stadium instead of just going home and whining about it later. Sorry lady.. if I had seen it happening I would have done something to help.

Big Bad Bob 9/3/2008 8:13:08 AM
I am not displeased that consumption of booze is not allowed at soccer matches. However there is nothing to stop people arriving at a game drunk, and there will always be those who sneak something in. For years people took naartjies to rugby not to throw at the ref but because they had been laced with brandy beforehand.

dhv 9/3/2008 8:17:27 AM
there was also an incident at a rugby game a few weeks ago where a few black men threw a brick at a white guy, but this story did not make headlines. Are these black guys racists?

jo 9/3/2008 8:19:31 AM
Taking away beer when wacthing a rugby game will be the same as telling someone he is not allowed to go to church. It is a religion and tradition to relax and drink a beer while watching your team play. It is wrong what those 2 white guys and it is also wrong what those 2 black guys did by making racial remarks and throwing bricks at a old white dude. Thats just a few bad apples..

Acid0 9/3/2008 8:19:34 AM
That this was uncalled for and should not happen but unfortunately like the crime and every thing else in this country it only take a few rotten apples to mock it up for every one. In the same article in News24 you read of the white man that was assaulted. Any comments on that or is this just one side again of the story?

fatman 9/3/2008 8:20:08 AM
All over the world we find this type of racist abuse,we as humans will never change.Fourteen years of democracy is not half enough to change mindsets.It takes the phasing out of old and in with new.Cosider this-when one dyes ones hair a permanent color do you not have to cut it and wait till it grows out completely to see the original color.

DGC 9/3/2008 8:22:33 AM
I agree ? The majority of South Africans want to be united. It is a few individuals on the LUNATIC FRINGE (far left and far right) that spoil this great country.

Rugby Fan 9/3/2008 8:23:23 AM
For some reason the supposed attack story sounds really unlikely to me. What are the chances of 3 men attacking a woman, whilst being surrounded by about 50 000 other people? At a rugby game, if a bunch of guys started beating a woman, I can guarantee you that they would have been beaten senseless by the bystanders! And also why does it seem that no one else witnessed the incident, no CCTV footage etc etc etc. Sounds like someone making a mountain out of a freaken moles heap.

xyz 9/3/2008 8:26:11 AM
Govt is causing this chaos and sit back and watch ordinary people take out their frustrations on one another. The corruption in govt, the police, the law itself and people are furious with the other race, playing the blame game and accusing one another of stuffing up this country. I reckon poor economy, quota systems,high interest rates, high profile politicians in corruption cases ignite such incidents. It is not white or black hating one another. It is poor governance to blame.

Lisa 9/3/2008 8:26:30 AM
The atmosphere in that stadium was unbelievable and I really felt like as a nation we were all there to celebrate our Spingboks ... alas we have a few very special South Africans that always have to ruin it for the rest of us. If you can't behave like a civilised person at the rugby games then stay at home and watch it tv! This is one sport that keeps us together as a nation, lets not let people like this ruin it for us!

Robert 9/3/2008 8:27:13 AM
Why should it make the news. There are much worse things happening in SA. People are getting robbed , killed and raped every day. This isn't even woth mentioning.

Milli 9/3/2008 8:27:57 AM
waiting to explode. Unfortunately politics/race qouta have become part of sports which i think is pathetic. I dont condone what they did but I can definately say there will be more incidents like that whether theres alcohol or not.

Raymond 9/3/2008 8:28:01 AM
I am not going to harp on the factual inaccuracies pointed out by earlier posts that riddle your letter. What I do want to say is that this incident has received more than it's fair share of coverage. From SARU issuing statements to Div and Smit publicly condemning the act. It's not right, I agree, but I really wish that racist attacks on Whites would enjoy the same coverage. E.g farm attacks, housebreaking where the occupants are killed etc.

mokganjetsi 9/3/2008 8:29:01 AM
it made the headlines on news24, beeld, sarugby.com etc etc. most comments by readers condemned this cowardly act and the inaction of onlookers. but both sides of the story has not been told yet....mapentsle, i think your comments are too much from a "we're victims" mindset.

Len van Heerden 9/3/2008 8:34:31 AM
There is another reported incident involving one Mr Parker who intervened when he saw a black man being abused by racist thugs. If the story is true, then kudos to Mr Parker

L van Heerden 9/3/2008 8:35:56 AM
Did the white guy report the incident to the police and the media? If not, how do you expect it to make headlines when it is not reported? It sounds more like "me too" kind of reaction. The guy should have reported the incident and he failed to do so.

proud to be white 9/3/2008 8:36:28 AM
I agree with you buddy,alchohol doesnt belong at ANY sporting event,it is soppose to be a nice relaxing atmosphere for everyone to enjoy,it is indeed sad that this incident happened,and also the truth,like you said there are going to be some idiots that will say every white person is racist,and that too me is even more pathetic,lets stop this pathetic racist fighting,and stand together as one nation,who's with me?

greggo 9/3/2008 8:37:21 AM
I agree beer should not be banned. The problem is not beer its brandy and coke. Brandy and coke makes a person extremely agressive and should be banned from the country completely.

niels 9/3/2008 8:37:27 AM
Mapentsele, to a degree with what you have said about media outrage. There was certainly not enough outrage. but on the up side, I do like Brian Hoskin's reaction as well as the way that Ellis Park management has reacted.

Joe 9/3/2008 8:42:58 AM
Sad what happened but in a stadium with 55 000 people where are all the security cameras and security guards needed, all this proofs is that we have just over a year left for 2010 kick off and we need to jack up on security

Philani 9/3/2008 8:44:34 AM
It just took 3 cowards who racially abuse a woman infront of thousands of people. Not a single amongst them dare confront those bastards, so whilst we call them cowards, remember another 3 fingers point at you, that you more of a cowards then them. Had it been a white lady in a soccer match, people would be threatning to leave for Australier. I will never go to a rugby match because everybody there is a coward. That woman could have been raped infront of them.

Not white, black, coloured or Indian but SAfrican 9/3/2008 8:44:54 AM
The problem in this country is that people tend to politicise everything. Race is attached to every aspect of our lives and we are not going anywhere with this kind of mindset. I hope that one day we will live together as one nation with no regard to race.

LM 01 9/3/2008 8:45:25 AM
All you can smell at a PSL game is dagga.

unknown 9/3/2008 8:46:14 AM
I wish we could put the same amount of time, effort, news exposure, community support, public interest and time and money into catching the hundreds of murderers and rapists preying on our fellow South Africans every day. Strange how this issue gets the spot light and so much resource is used to catch these guys when there are (on a daily basis) more serious cases that need to be addressed. It is sad to see so much noise, fuss and upset over such pettiness, when there are people in our country subjected to much more serious crimes.

TS 9/3/2008 8:56:23 AM
They are part of the SA game and here to stay. For many years, family members have been subjected to this from the Loftus and Ellis park white crowds in Super 14 and Tri-nations matches. Even at Newlands. So these are not just lunatics plus alcohol...

Guy 9/3/2008 8:58:10 AM
The incident was front page on both The Star and Die Volksblad yesterday.

skim 9/3/2008 9:02:05 AM
obviously those actions were performed by a minority racist group and obviously the media is going to pull it out of proportion. There will ALWAYS be racists in society (be it black or white). Stop making such a fuss about it!

colin 9/3/2008 9:04:19 AM
I spend most of my adult live after school at University and in the working place amongst white people and I have come to the acceptance that the world is a different place for whites and the rules that applies to me do not necessarily apply to them and this is a fact. Why are there so many whites protecting and justifying the actions of the 3 white males ? if the roles was reversed and the 3 men were black and the woman white then the outcome would have been different. If 3 Black men attacked a white lady at Coca Cola park no one would have walked pass and someone would have jumped in and this is why I say this world is a different place for blacks than what it is for whites.

John Camp 9/3/2008 9:04:56 AM
Dude buy a television, and if you have one, switch it on. I agree with you, we can't blame it on alcohol, it's blatant racism, so what? How do we stop it? Anyone who denies racism is rife in this country needs their eyes testing.

Annie 9/3/2008 9:06:45 AM
I agree with you. I am not sure this story is true. In this age of cameras on mobile phones surely someone would have taken photo's of the attack and the attackers. If it is true, their behaviour is unacceptable and they should be prosecuted. If this is not true, what to do about the complainant for lying and causing negative journalism ?

BigBang 9/3/2008 9:14:00 AM
Mapentsele, you obviously don't listen to 702 or Highveld, it has been on all week, John Robbie has been punting this and everyone is upset about it. It is disgraceful. But don't say it has not made headlines, that is just ignorant.

Filemon 9/3/2008 9:16:16 AM
No one is protecting or justifying the reported incident. They are pointing out that there are similar incident s in reverse that do not receive the same publicity. And worse incidents as well.Also a bit of sceptism - no one claimed the R10 000 yet?

John Camp 9/3/2008 9:24:10 AM
WTF, do you honestly think banning alcohol will help the problem? Why punish the innocent? Banning alcohol to reduce incidents of racism is counter productive and we will head back towards pre 1994. Next we'll be banning whites on black beaches and blqacks in white areas. We'll never defeat racism HOWEVER we can defeat the racists.

Mrs. M 9/3/2008 9:24:16 AM
There are always 3 sides to a story. a Few things of her side of the story is questionable. Surely if she was there with friends they would have stood up for her, did she perhaps intimidate them or did they just out of the blue picked her. Calling her the k word is also questionable, as if you are a black women they would not have called her a k, but a m. Why was this only headlines yesterday and not on Sunday morning.

terence 9/3/2008 9:24:34 AM
i have been to rugby games in south africa, australia, cricket matches in south africa and england as well as football matches in england, holland and germany.... what do all these events have in common Boooooozeee lots of booze served at all these events. It is the norm

MARIO 9/3/2008 9:29:30 AM
The fact that nobody has yet come forward with info and to claim the R10,000 bucks (obviously a lot of mahala moola needed by many in these tough times) makes me wonder about the OTHER SIDE OF THE COIN.

Simon 9/3/2008 9:32:10 AM
I disagree with the writer. Only because the lady was black has there been such an outcry. If it were a white lady accosted by blacks we would not have heard a word of condemnation. Ever heard of AA, BEE. Legal racism which barely raises an eyebrow because its racism against whites which no one cares about.

Carla Carter 9/3/2008 9:32:10 AM
This incident did make headline news, this is why we are discussing it. Any form of bad behaviour, especially racism is unacceptable at any event. These hooligans are an embarrassment to each and every South African. Like in the U.K. these supporters should be identified and banned from all sporting events.

Ruan 9/3/2008 9:37:06 AM
I must admit that I have not read all the articles on this unfortunate incident, but I find it incredible that in a stadium with more than 50 000 people, not 1 of the passers by or security guards saw anything, not even for R10 000. Could it be possible that nothing happened? Just asking

Loui 9/3/2008 9:38:18 AM
Guy those headline were only in locla papers. Had it been the other way round, I bet would have seen that on Shy and CNN. An the culprits would have been apprehended in amter of hours if not minutes. Also I do not understand why the incident was not captured on camera. I am sure there were camers in the stadium. The reqard that the Rugby bosses are offering is just to save face.

L van Heerden 9/3/2008 9:41:43 AM
I have been to rugby games twice in the past 5 years and will only go if I sit in the private booths, as I cannot take the language and the assumptions made when you sit in the stands. I cannot remember how many times I have been told about "them" and what they have done to our country

Bev 9/3/2008 9:43:54 AM
I think that this story has been fabricated somehow because nothing adds up. She didn't scream I know I would have if it was me and I would have gone to security right away. Another thing is that there is a reward of R10K for info and still no one has come forward. R10K is a lot of money and no takers? Did this really happen or is it attention seeking?

LvH 9/3/2008 9:47:00 AM
I have to say yours is the best letter so far. It is all government's fault that a bunch of thugs assault a woman and another man outside the stadium. Before then, we lived happily with no problems? Have you taken your head out of the sand yet, or were you trying to be funny?

Bev 9/3/2008 9:47:09 AM
I think that this story has been fabricated somehow because nothing adds up. She didn't scream I know I would have if it was me and I would have gone to security right away. Another thing is that there is a reward of R10K for info and still no one has come forward. R10K is a lot of money and no takers? Did this really happen or is it attention seeking?

Rs4fan 9/3/2008 9:50:09 AM
Again I am amazed at the responses offered on this forum, where people comments are not addressing the issue but are about how being white in South Africa makes you a target for racial abuse... for those who cannot read the story is about an African lady who was racially abused by white Rugby Thugs.. talk about that...

L van Heerden 9/3/2008 9:50:23 AM
...if you observed either of the incidents? Would you have walked away or would you have intervened? The reason why no one has reported the 3 thugs is the very same reason people walked by. They simply cannot be bothered. R10,000 is not enough to subject yourself to abuse by your own kind. If I saw the incident, I would have reported it for FREE.

Juan 9/3/2008 9:53:24 AM
Smoke & mirrors, everybody getting on the bandwagon having something to say about an incident that might not even have happened. R10,000.00 reward should have gotten some reaction, but nothing yet. Remember the farm laborour in Western Cape that accused the farmer of rape, she admitted later to she was lying. Why not wait for the so called racist attack to be verified & confirmed before we start calling people white trash & racist. Think before you speak, is your words adding to racial tension.

colin 9/3/2008 9:56:18 AM
Why are a certain portion of the users questioning the truthfulness of the lady - I believe her because I have seen this happened before in places of entertainment were white people believe that they have a right to certain public places to be only for them - please tell me what does she have to gain answer absolutely nothing. What if a white lady have reacted the same after she was attacked at the FNB soccer stadium would you have questioned her story or accepted it

nathinyce 9/3/2008 9:57:29 AM
the lady`s incident was not the only one that happened at the game! Wake up, people! Most rugby followers are RACISTS!I don`t care how much you deny it, you know it`s true. To the idiots who are doubting her story, this happened during the break when she went to the toilets! Not in her seat in front of 50 000 people! Some people on these posts need to grow some brains. Especially some ladies.What happened to your much vaunted sisterhood or is it because she is the wrong colour? Really sad indeed.

LvH 9/3/2008 9:59:17 AM
is not enough if it means you could have your details available to someone (with corruption in the police) you would be assured that your details would soon end up in the hands of the friends of the thugs. Now, try R1 million and I guarantee you that it would compensate for everything. In any case, it has only been 3 days and someone maybe weighing the options.

Big Bad Bob 9/3/2008 9:59:36 AM
I agree with LVH. Behaviour at big rugby matches is very poor and I have no interest in going to a match unless I have an invite to a box. It's been bad for years. The recent incident has just brought attention to the problem - and I can't believe that SARFU and/or stadium management are surprised. I've been roughed up at a match for not good reason, and a Scottish mate of mine got beaten up for shouting for the British Lions.

Ross 9/3/2008 10:02:51 AM
Of course this made headline news, otherwise how would you have heard of it. Even John Smit and Pieter De Villiers made a public statement, and on the contrary if a white person was assaulted at a soccer match it probably would have been brushed under the rug. I have been to football games, and the amount of alochol consumed and 'dagga' smoked was disturbing, and you can not tell me these people do not get violent!

Thembalabantubonke 9/3/2008 10:04:54 AM
Chances are that they would have accepted the story without question and would have used other examples to indicate that this is a concerted efforts by black people to gain revenge for 40 years of apartheid. Denying events of racism when reported by a black person is now part of the sport. Mr Parker reported another incident and no one questions his version of the story because he is white.

Len Anderson 9/3/2008 10:10:04 AM
Have to agree with you. Racism is not induced by alcohol. Alcohol removes the inhibition and allows you to say what you wanted to say, but felt pressure not to say. Banning alcohol would prevent us from seeing the worst of individuals. Let those who drink expose themselves as to how vile and disgusting they are.

Matrix 9/3/2008 10:10:51 AM
See it daily and everywhere, but do not be blind to the fact that it is just from one side. It comes from all groups. Still think the fundamental problem is that people (all of them) dont want to change their ATTITUDE, AND as in this case, it is who has the numbers behind them that exploit the situation, i.e. intimidation. We can agree to not agree with each other 100% of the time, but cheeze!!! we can learn to accept, respect and at least tollerate each other. Will get worse if WE DON'T CHANGE.

Hunter 9/3/2008 10:10:54 AM
I have been drink alcohol during rugby at Durban stadium. I dont do bad behavior or insult to people. The problem is control yourself not alcohol. These Racist guys must banned from stadium.

Fritz 9/3/2008 10:11:16 AM
If this incident would have happened to a white lady at a soccer stadium, it would have labeled as an "attempted robbery"...

Kenko 9/3/2008 10:12:44 AM
was done and said to this lady? First it was "Racially abused" then it became "Physically and verbally abused". It seems this whole incident is being blown out of proportion, just to start another "white racist" issue. C'mon, tell us what they did and said!! We all have to deal with abuse sometimes, but it never gets smeared across the headlines. Personally, I think this lady just wanted to get into the spotlight.

kash 9/3/2008 10:13:39 AM
"THESE PEOPLE do not get violent"..ROSS????

Jayzee 9/3/2008 10:13:57 AM
100 percent correct. What did she expect from a stadium full of whites. I don't care what others are saying but racism is very alive and whites will not change not today.

VG 9/3/2008 10:15:07 AM
What disurbs me most about this issue is the fact that everyone seems to be focused on the race of the people involved and not the sex. It is a sad and all too familiar pattern in SA that some men feel that they have the right to manhandle women in order to make a point.Three men cornering one woman is a complete disgrace.

anonomous 9/3/2008 10:15:09 AM
The crux of the matter is not whether it was a black, white, pink or purple coloured person. This incident shouldn't have happened. No person in SA should be in a position of feeling threatened. Stop blaming everything on racism.

L 9/3/2008 10:15:46 AM
I hardly go to soccer stadiums because my wallet was pinched. When I went, many of the white people who went there were cheered and treated with the greatest of respect, but I do assume you have specific cases you wish to mention, rather than generalising that black people who are drunk will be racist and assault white soccer followers.

tshepo 9/3/2008 10:22:41 AM
had 2 Super 14 tickets to Loftus. He tried to offer them for free to a few black friends(myself included), we all turned them down because we feared RACIAL abuse at the game. He also didn't go. This latest incident i guess validates our positions.

L 9/3/2008 10:23:49 AM
Isolated incident, my arse. This is the not only reported incident. Another one happened outside the stadium and those who have been to rugby will tell you that there are many more.

ChrisR 9/3/2008 10:24:56 AM
How you took the words out of my mouth.

Fraud 9/3/2008 10:25:53 AM
What happened to that woman happens to every black person that goes to Ellis Park and Loftus. It's just that she went to the media with her story and the rest of us didn't. It has become a known fact amoung the rugby loving black community that if you want to watch a rugby game at the stadium, bring along at least 6 of your buddies, or else you would've signed ur own death wish!

fandash 9/3/2008 10:28:30 AM
I will never take my daughter or wife to a SA rugby game again. The language that spews from the mouths of so called civilised and educated white South Africans, leaves much to be desired. The moment the referee makes a decision against their team, the expletives fly. I wonder if they would speak to their own parents in this manner. The answer is, I guess they do. No thank you to being at the stadiums ever again.

Hero Nakamura 9/3/2008 10:29:40 AM
This is the story of SA as country, very sad. We were oppressed during apartheid and now our people are raping, killing and stealing because of poverty. Is this right? Now white people are retaliating to the crimes committed against them by being racist. Is this right? I've been a victim of crime twice in the past year one at gunpoint in my house, but I don't blame everyone for that, but the government. I was also a victim of apartheid but don't blame all whites for that. SAY NO to Racism!

Annie 9/3/2008 10:34:38 AM
So when she went to the toilets there was no one else around to witness the incident ? As for sisterhood - there must have been other ladies around with mobile cameras to take a photo or even call for help ( ladies can shout very loud ) I don't care about the colour of the lady in question - I am wondering about the lack of evidence and witnesses. Get it now ?

Matrix 9/3/2008 10:37:59 AM
Stop being so one sided. The problem is on all sides. Rugby supporters mostly from the previously advantaged group & soccer supported mostly previously disadvantaged group. Now, given the situation at these venues, the majority will intimidate the minority. It is a mental thing. Stop being so biased, OR must I say something like "wait for SWC2010 when the blacks & european hooligans pack the venues, get drunk & %^*( everything in their path when their team looses & You hav'nt seen anything yet".

helen 9/3/2008 10:39:08 AM
A few years ago I was "verbally" attacked at a rugby match by 4 black youngsters. They stood next to me and one of them said "all white women are bitches". All of them started laughing, I know this is not the same as being physically attacked but I reported it to security and they did nothing. These guys were obviously just looking for trouble.

Hero Nakamura 9/3/2008 10:43:03 AM
If racism prevails against the innocent because of crime, then all white people must pay for apartheid atrocities caused by the apartheid regime. I repeat, there is no excuse for being racist.

John Camp 9/3/2008 10:46:32 AM
We can't continually live in a "what if she'd been white and the rugby supporters had been black" world. We must flately condemn what has happened here, it's wrong whether racially motivated or not. These guys are the scum that prevent us showing the true potential we have.

Joe 9/3/2008 10:50:28 AM
Dan, I agree with you about the majority wanting a united SA. I mean, lots of people have forgotten about De Klerk's Referendum back in the 90's. An overwhelming majority of whites voted "Yes!" - around 86% - to abolish apartheid and have a united, democratic nation. Those !di0ts at Ellis Park should be caught and punished. They're a disgrace!

Paul van der Schyff 9/3/2008 10:50:35 AM
Mapentsele, you have the facts wrong. "Black against white" crime because of racism enjoys FAR less media exposure throughout the entire world. Read your papers! Farm killings nowadays only makes pages 3,4 an 5 at the bottom in small print..Get real!

Joe 9/3/2008 10:51:01 AM
Dan, I agree with you about the majority wanting a united SA. I mean, lots of people have forgotten about De Klerk's Referendum back in the 90's. An overwhelming majority of whites voted "Yes!" - around 86% - to abolish apartheid and have a united, democratic nation. Those !di0ts at Ellis Park should be caught and punished. They're a disgrace!

deon 9/3/2008 10:51:43 AM
Everyone is racist concious! This is not a racist incident you bunch of idiots it's sexist...let me spell it out for you: Men were nasty to a woman!

dhv 9/3/2008 10:52:49 AM
You're correct about the men not respecting women. Especially when it comes to women wearing mini-skirts, pants etc

Joe Doorn 9/3/2008 10:53:28 AM
Dan, I agree with you about the majority wanting a united SA. I mean, lots of people have forgotten about De Klerk's Referendum back in the 90's. An overwhelming majority of whites voted "Yes!" - around 86% - to abolish apartheid and have a united, democratic nation. Those !di0ts at Ellis Park should be caught and punished. They're a disgrace!

deb 9/3/2008 10:58:02 AM
Some whites are racists but I think its time blacks admit and be honest with themselves that some blacks are also racists. Reading comments on this site proves that racism is alive in all race groups. Its part of life.

Big Bad Bob 9/3/2008 11:00:10 AM
Why don't y'all read the reports before asking silly questions. This is in the public domain and you'd better (and look smarter) if you checked the reports for yourselves rather than asking such questions.

Len van Heerden 9/3/2008 11:01:46 AM
I agree that the incident should not have happened regardless of the sex or the race of the person. However, if what the lady says is her true experience, the incident was then racist. Why should we run away from the fact that it was accompanies by racial epithets? What is wrong with calling it racist, if it is racist. Surely, you are not racist and you would not do something like that, so why be defensive?

L 9/3/2008 11:03:03 AM
Actually, only 68% voted YES in a referendum where whites only were allowed to decide the fate of this country, as if they had special dispensation to decide for everyone.

fedup 9/3/2008 11:03:10 AM
surprising about what happened. out of the 55000 people there 45000 of them are hardcore racists and the other 10000 are mild racists(you know the ones that go on about how they have 2 black friends) fact of the matter is:that woman had no business loitering around whitefolk stadiums just like we do not want whitefolk bothering us at our soccer games, in that way no one bliksems no one

Len van Heerden 9/3/2008 11:05:10 AM
Amen to that, and welcome back. I had missed your sensible perspective on life in the country. Let us condemn the event especially if it embarrasses you. By excusing this event, we are simply protecting thugs who do not deserve our protection

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