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Where to now for Zuma?

2009-01-13 08:17

Pierre de Vos

Constitutional lawyers and political junkies across South Africa must be grateful for Mr Jacob Zuma, his clever and resourceful legal team, and us taxpayers - who are, after all, funding Zuma's various legal applications aimed at ensuring that he never has to face his day in court.

Not only have Mr Zuma's various legal battles provided us with much to skinner and speculate about (not least about Mr Zuma's chances of becoming our next President), they have also clarified very important points regarding the interpretation of the Constitution and the role of our judges in enforcing that constitution and the law.

Judge Chris Nicholson, on the other hand, might feel less charitable towards Zuma and his legal team after reading the Supreme Court of Appeal's (SCA's) latest judgment in the Zuma saga, handed down on Monday. It is anyone's guess how Nicholson might feel about the acerbic and deeply wounding reprimand emanating from Acting Deputy President of the SCA, Louis Harms, on Monday, but I would guess that the learned judge from KwaZulu-Natal must feel rather aggrieved by the way in which the SCA tore his initial judgments to shreds.

From a political perspective, the most important aspect of the SCA judgment is the finding that Judge Nicholson erred by making a finding about the possible existence of a political conspiracy against Mr Zuma. As Judge Harms pointed out, Nicholson himself recognised that "political meddling" was not an issue that had to be determined by the court but nevertheless waded into this politically loaded issue by relying on press reports and completely rewriting the rules of evidence.

As Harms so bitingly states: "in the course of this discussion [Nicholson] changed the rules of the game, took his eyes off the ball and red-carded not only players but also spectators". Nicholson then completely overstepped his authority as a judge, failing "to confine the judgment to the issues before the court; by deciding matters that were not germane or relevant; by creating new factual issues; by making gratuitous findings against persons who were not called upon to defend themselves; by failing to distinguish between allegation, fact and suspicion; and by transgressing the proper boundaries between judicial, executive and legislative functions."

Ouch!

Conspiracy theories

It is important to note that the judgment does not make a finding about the existence of a political conspiracy against Mr Zuma. The SCA faults Nicholson for wading into this highly charged political thicket and points out that the "findings" made by Nicholson about a political conspiracy was mostly based on media speculation. But it explicitly declined to make any finding of its own on whether there was indeed a political conspiracy to charge Zuma or not because, as it points out, there was not sufficient evidence before the court to make a finding on this point which would have been legally irrelevant in any case.

But to some degree it represents a vindication of Thabo Mbeki, who was fired shortly after the Nicholson judgment was handed down. Mr Mbeki seems to have lost his job for no good reason at all (if one set aside for the moment his scandalous attitude towards HIV/Aids) because the High Court had erred in jumping to conclusions about political meddling by Mr Mbeki and his cabinet in the prosecution of Mr Zuma.

It is ironic that Mr Mbeki was not given the same degree of latitude as Mr Zuma, say, who is being supported by the ANC and its allies with the mantra that everyone must be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty.

From a legal perspective the judgment is also rather important as it helps to clarify the legal position regarding the independence of the NPA. The SCA judgment confirms - as I have long argued - that there is no contradiction between the Constitutional guarantee that the National Director of Public Prosecutions (NDPP) must act without fear, favour or prejudice, on the one hand, and the requirement that the Minister of Justice must exercises final responsibility over the NPA on the other.

The SCA pointed out that "although the Minister may not instruct the NPA to prosecute or to decline to prosecute or to terminate a pending prosecution, the Minister is entitled to be kept informed in respect of all prosecutions initiated or to be initiated which might arouse public interest or involve important aspects of legal or prosecutorial authority". This means that the Vusi Pikoli was probably correct when he declined to agree to a "request" by then President Mbeki not to arrest Jackie Selebi on the basis of vague claims of a threat to "national security".

Day in court

Lastly the judgment also deals a blow to Mr Zuma's potential legal moves to avoid his day in court. Mr Zuma's lawyers might well now bring an application for a permanent stay of his prosecution - unless they wish to waste more of the taxpayer's money by appealing to the Constitutional Court. In such an application they will have to argue that it would be impossible for him to get a fair trial at least partly because his prosecution was politically motivated.

But the SCA pointed out that a prosecution will not be wrongful "merely because it is brought for an improper purpose". It is only where "reasonable and probable grounds for prosecuting are absent" that a prosecution would become wrongful and this could only be determined "once criminal proceedings have been concluded".

If Mr Zuma therefore has a strong case to answer (as he clearly has - even Bulelani Ngcuka said so when he declined to prosecute Mr Zuma), it would be irrelevant if that case was only brought to court for political reasons. Mr Zuma's best bet now is to argue that the case has dragged on so long and the reporting in the media has so tainted the minds of every judge in South Africa that it would be impossible for any judge to hear such a case with an open mind and afford Mr Zuma a fair trial.

That is an extremely high hurdle to overcome and few judges would grant such an application. But Mr Zuma does have another ace up his sleeve. If Parliament confirms the firing of the NDPP, Mr Vusi Pikoli, and if President Motlanthe then appoints, shall we say, a more disciplined member of the ANC as head of the NPA, the "political solution" to his legal troubles might yet be found.

Whether that would be good for our constitutional democracy and for the country remains, of course, an open question.

  • Professor Pierre de Vos teaches Constitutional law at the University of the Western Cape and is the author of the blog constitutionallyspeaking.co.za.

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  • Boni 1/13/2009 9:09:19 AM
    very interesting and a good article to read for a non-legal person like me.

    TK 1/13/2009 9:21:59 AM
    Will ensure that Zuma never has his day in Court. Reasons 1) We are near the elections and ANC R determined Zuma will be their Presidential Candidate. 2) It is likely that JZ's legal counsel will apply 4 the Permanent Stay of prosecution which outcome might drag on even until after the elections. Then JZ a president will appoint his crony to NDPP position, provided Pikoli loses is not reinstated & loses in Court. Consequenlty we are likely 2 C a deal being orchastrated for JZ 2 avoid prosecution.

    Chayzee 1/13/2009 9:28:55 AM
    Politics in SA is a constant rollercoaster.After the Nicholson judgment my thought was "Aah" and I wondered if justice would ever be served,now after this ruling I think "Yay" there's hope. I will be very surprised if Zuma makes it to president - I sincerely hope he doesn't, I don't think I can cope with such a buffoon running this country within which is already so much trouble, if he doesn't then there will be hope. Exciting times we live in!! It's better than Days of Our Lives!

    mlungisi 1/13/2009 9:32:01 AM
    Th NPA has committed another foul again. How? Yesterday they announced on the media that they will charge Zuma. My observation is that should that not happened the NPA will have to explain why they continue to charge Zuma on the media. It's important to note that it's not the 1st time NPA behave in this manner.

    Derick 1/13/2009 9:42:52 AM
    This case and lies resulted in instability, financial and investor loss, change in cabinet, dissolvment of the Scorpions by a decision made by and which included a criminal. In all this, discrediting the ANC. He should be trailed according to his own words. A normal criminal does not have a blank cheque to fund legal cost. Why should the State continue to pay? The crime grows more that what a petty thief stole. Plain reveal what's in the diary. I am turning my back on the once great ANC.

    mlungisi 1/13/2009 9:49:48 AM
    That were thrown out the court in 2006? What is going on here? Charge! Throw out! Re-charge!....

    The Truth 1/13/2009 9:54:42 AM
    Crowing about how they have pledged to fight corruption to the very end,while their very own supreme overlord is charged with a couple of hundred corruption counts himself,not to mention tax evasion,money laundering etc.(It actually sounds a lot like Al Capone's rap sheet before he was finally caught).I hate to say this,but whoever is stupid enough to still vote for these idiots even after all of this,deserves what they get in return.

    Rian 1/13/2009 9:56:08 AM
    When his is finally found guilty. He can repay every cent back to the tax payer by building houses for the people he professes to love so dearly with his hands. It's a pity that most of South Africa are so blind to how big a snake he is.

    Joe 1/13/2009 9:57:17 AM
    "The fact that Mr Zuma accepted the presidency of the ANC whilst being investigated for the vaious crimes he may or may not have commited is an indication of his character". Read into that statement all that you want.......

    Ali 1/13/2009 10:09:06 AM
    It would appear that the best possible option going forward would be to drop the case because Mr Zuma is not likely to get a fair hearing. This is attested by the fact even Judge Nicholson fell victim to media reporting and thus his mind was tainted when he "erroneously" applied himself. How many more learned and credible judges are immune to this? it would be too expensive and costly to only find out in court.

    Lulu 1/13/2009 10:11:56 AM
    ZUMA AND ANC ARE NOT ABOVE THE LAW AND THIS JUDGEMENT HAS JUST YET AGAIN PROVEN THAT. I THINK THE BEST THING FOR THE COUNTRY WOULD BE FOR THE ANC TO APPOINT MONTLANTE OR TREVOR MANUEL AS PRESIDENT WHO I THINK IS FIT TO GOVERN SA WITHOUT ANY COMPLICATIONS

    simon 1/13/2009 10:20:56 AM
    SA is a democratic country which respect its nice and very clear constitution. Nobody is above the law and no political party is so special in eyes of the law. Judge necholson's judgement was purely sponsored and judges of his calibre are very dangerous to the society. they are very divisive and opportunistical. we must applaud judges who are sobber minded and democratic like Louis Harmes. Necholson decided to go and talk politics in a court of law rather legal language. Simon, Limpopo...

    simon 1/13/2009 10:20:57 AM
    SA is a democratic country which respect its nice and very clear constitution. Nobody is above the law and no political party is so special in eyes of the law. Judge necholson's judgement was purely sponsored and judges of his calibre are very dangerous to the society. they are very divisive and opportunistical. we must applaud judges who are sobber minded and democratic like Louis Harmes. Necholson decided to go and talk politics in a court of law rather legal language. Simon, Limpopo...

    M'buyisi 1/13/2009 10:27:12 AM
    Mr. J. Zuma must stop waisting taxpayers money and go to court.

    KC 1/13/2009 10:27:31 AM
    Thanks for yoour crisp summation of the key findings of the Appeal Court. While the ANC and the Zuma legal team have identified five options they are likely to pursue, all these have limited success. The options may obviously be used to delay the inevitable; Zuma's day in court. Zuma will be in the dock sooner that he can raise his right hand to be inaugurated as the president of the country.

    Ric 1/13/2009 10:33:26 AM
    for gross incompetence? And what does say about the integrity of the judicial system?

    Boni 1/13/2009 10:36:52 AM
    Huh!!! the NPA can and SHOULD communicate their decisions to the public, it is a public body and we have right to be informed of their decisions. i dont see how this could be a blunder. really!

    Yvonne 1/13/2009 10:37:56 AM
    It is high time that EVERYBODY who was bribed and accepted bribes be brought to justice ! I am sure there are many more in Parlement and not just ZUMA. Zuma should come clear, be honest for a change and also name all the others. He must have his day in Court like any other Citizen of this Country they must stop delaying and get it over with. He should have been with his cronie SHabi SHaik a long time ago .Taxpayers and Voters in this Country are sick and tired of these CORRUPT SKEBENGUS!!

    Yvonne 1/13/2009 10:38:11 AM
    It is high time that EVERYBODY who was bribed and accepted bribes be brought to justice ! I am sure there are many more in Parlement and not just ZUMA. Zuma should come clear, be honest for a change and also name all the others. He must have his day in Court like any other Citizen of this Country they must stop delaying and get it over with. He should have been with his cronie SHabi SHaik a long time ago .Taxpayers and Voters in this Country are sick and tired of these CORRUPT SKEBENGUS!!

    Ewan 1/13/2009 10:39:44 AM
    Just a few short months ago JZ was seen in the same light as JC. Now the ANC stands before a choice, should they today, as did the ruling Jewish Sanhedrin of the long past also say "It is better that one man should die then the whole nation." Fortunate for JZ the death penalty was removed by the ANC, not so lucky for JC, back then.

    Philani 1/13/2009 10:42:39 AM
    Zuma might go to court and say loose the case and go to jail, but he is not the only beneficiary, and there are many players and even bigger player in the arms deal. I am so worried the the Appeal Judges kicked Nicholsons's idea of calling for a inquiery into real beneficiaries of the arms deal. If not done, than Zuma is a scape goat, and its NOT FAIR.

    Jacques 1/13/2009 10:46:05 AM
    I would like to to reply to mlungisi...you JZ supporters are deliberately trying to take everybody's eyes away from the real question by pointing out alleged misconduct by the NPA. THE REAL QUESTION IS: WHY ARE YOU DESPARATELY TRYING TO KEEP ZUMA OUT OF COURT AND PREVENT THE TRUTH FROM COMING OUT? I hope that is clear enough for you!

    johan 1/13/2009 10:52:46 AM
    whereto for zuma, hopefully prison, but i know whereto for me and other graduates. Personally, I will be in New Zealand in July! Africa for Africans. Zimbabwe, Mocambique, Rwanda, DRC, Angola etc etc. Thats what Africans wanted all these years, so let them have it now. Viva Zuma, Viva Azania, Viva Mugabe, VIVA! LOL

    Mluleki Siguntu 1/13/2009 10:54:47 AM
    As a lay man I don't have much to say but the simple question I have is, is this going to be the case to everyone in this country?

    delisa 1/13/2009 10:58:41 AM
    Your analyisis is totaly wrong Mr, you are no different than all the counter-revolutionaries. People like you are corrupting the minds of young South Africans, who are suppossed to be learning more about law and not conspirancy theoris. Do yourself a favour and accept that Dr Jacob Zuma is your next President, periods.

    Jacques 1/13/2009 11:01:00 AM
    Anybody who compares JZ with Jesus Christ has so little knowledge of both history and the Bible that you could write an entire "Fawlty Towers" tv series about it. Apart from being blasphemous and subject to judgement in the hereafter, Jesus Crist was not judged for racketeering or any of the charges similar to that of JZ. he was being persecuted for advocating a moral system and a system of goodness and salvation....I wish the JZ crowd would wake up!

    Dee 1/13/2009 11:01:47 AM
    The NPA has not committed any foul, the legal effect of yesterday's ruling means that JZ remains charged with the charges that were laid against him in December 2007, there is no need to recharge. All the NPA has to do is to finalise a court date for JZ to appear and answer for his alleged crimes. We all know though that JZ and his legal team will probably go to the CC to try and force further delays until JZ gets into the presidency where he'll be able to appoint a NDPP that will b sympathetic!

    Francious 1/13/2009 11:11:33 AM
    Has anyone questioned why Nicholson was so off the target. Why did he go where he wasn't supposed to go? Why he decided to formulate his own theory of events? Was he trying to gain points from the Zuma administration? maybe he was bribed?

    settie 1/13/2009 11:18:46 AM
    If he(JZ) is innocent let him step in the court and recieve his verdict accordingly with his facts as all ANC, COSATU, Communist Party claim. He has to be brave enough if he is innocent . The way he is trying to avoid trial is raises questions

    TK 1/13/2009 11:21:56 AM
    A movie with this heading would suit the Cinema's. I wud love 2 direct one & distribute it for free. The people will Vote JZ as a President. Im talking abt the poor and misinformmed majority of this Country, who made the ANC's Mnifesto Launch event glamorous by crowd turnout. The people who came out dissapointed coz no mention was made of sooner than expected free housing. The ANC is riding on these poor souls, & unfortunately R the ones 2 suffer 1st when things get worst (like in ZIM.

    SIHLE-PY 1/13/2009 11:23:23 AM
    BONI YOU ARE STATING THE OBVIOUS, THIS CASE IS IN THE PUBLIC INTEREST AND THE PUBLIC MUST BE INFORMED OF THE NPA'S DECISION, BUT THIS IS THE POINT YOU ARE MISSING THEY MUST NOT MAKE PREMATURE STATEMENTS OF CHARGING OUR PRESIDENT AND THEN FAIL TO TAKE THE CASE TO COURT AS IT HAS BEEN FOR OVER HALF A DECADE. SO PLEASE I APPEAL TO YOU READ AND UNDERSTAND BEFORE MAKING DANGEROUS UTTERANCES

    terryt 1/13/2009 11:25:06 AM
    I do hope this is not going to be plea bargained away. The SA people should know who is corrupt in the government and they should be dealt with in a court of law. The time to overlook these offences (like travelgate) has gone. We must demand that whatever party succeeds in the elections, that they hold to high moral standards!

    Jacques 1/13/2009 11:35:11 AM
    Delisa, see...that is exactly what I mean...."counter revolutionaries"...what a joke...where is the revolution, and against what? What exactly are you revolting for or against? Is it against democracy or the judiciary or what? Why don't you look up the reasons for the world's most famous revolutions...do you see any commonalities between them and us?...wake up girl, people with other opinions are not necesarily counter revolutionaries....what a joke!

    Not Yet Uhuru 1/13/2009 11:36:37 AM
    I think the credibility of the two judges cannot afford to be left out.One sober judge Nicholson, knows a thing or two about human rights, he was an activist. While on the other hand Harmse, an apartheid order judge, can you spot the difference, Mr De Vos? Remember the Harmse commission under, apartheid the same judge, said that Vlaakpllas doesn't exist, towing the goverment lie, how inteliigent can he have been today, to understand conspiracy? His lies were only xposed during TRC, Hauhau!!

    Mfete 1/13/2009 11:37:25 AM
    "Mr Zuma's best bet now is to argue that the case has dragged on so long and the reporting in the media has so tainted the minds of every judge in South Africa that it would be impossible for any judge to hear such a case with an open mind and afford Mr Zuma a fair trial" FAIR ENOUGH, THEY MUST GET A JUDGE FROM KHAZAKHSTAN THEN.

    Not Yet Uhuru 1/13/2009 11:40:09 AM
    I think the credibility of the two judges cannot afford to be left out.One sober judge Nicholson, knows a thing or two about human rights, he was an activist. While on the other hand Harmse, an apartheid order judge, can you spot the difference, Mr De Vos? Remember the Harmse commission under, apartheid the same judge, said that Vlaakpllas doesn't exist, towing the goverment lie, how inteliigent can he have been today, to understand conspiracy? His lies were only xposed during TRC, Hauhau!!

    Justin 1/13/2009 11:40:43 AM
    The SCA judgement effectively nullifies the Nicholson meaning that the situation is as it was prior to the Nicholson judgement - the NPA's charges stand as if they were never thrown out.

    TK 1/13/2009 11:41:16 AM
    However, he demonstrates a lack of Wisdom I doubt the JZ clan would take him on, no matter how much he licks their Bums. On MyNesw24 he pretended he doesn't knw of criminal charges being brought against ZUMA ever since he could remember. On this portal he demonstrates a knowledge of charges that were thrown out of Court in 2006. How two-faced. U cudn't argue on MyNews24, you've ran to this Portal, and still make empty contributions. U R a disgrace unto yourself..(your worst nightmare - TK)

    SIHLE-PY 1/13/2009 11:45:31 AM
    just another conspiracy without any substance, my word get a hold on yourself before you confuse yourself any further. nicholson made his judgement and it was overruled by the sca. so what are you suggesting now is the judiciary is in it as well, i wonder what happend to your arguement of the judicary being independant then. we as the anc have excepted the ruling and are exploring other avenues so stop with unsubstantiated theories.

    Niel 1/13/2009 11:48:25 AM
    If zuma is not guilty as he says, why does he not just go to court and be shown not guilty. But noooo!!, he would rather wastes the tax payers money (which can be used for actual important things), to stay out of court because in my opinion is that zuma is quilty as charged, and he knows it. I think it is time that zuma stops acting like a child and become a man and face his charges. If he is not quilty as he says, he then have nothing to worry about.

    settie 1/13/2009 11:50:40 AM
    how can a man who wants to be the president of the country be so scared of being honest and clear his name if he wants to be morally fit for the State House . Whats the future of the country then . Corrupt, Corrupt , Corrupt. Fear of Court ,Fear of Court ,Fear of Court ,Fear of Court ,Guilty,Guilty,Guilty,Guilty,

    Blessing 1/13/2009 11:51:46 AM
    I agree 100% with Philani because there are many players in this arms deal saga and some of them are even bigger than JZ,so it will not be fair for JZ to charged alone others must also come out. secondly,it was a good idea to incorporate the Scorpions under SAPS because they have failed dismally to deal with high profile persons. IF ANYONE CAN GIVE ME AN ANSWER: HOW MANY HIGH PROFILE PERSONS WERE FOUND GUILTY BY THE SCORPIONS BUT NOT PROSECUTED?

    Not yet Uhuru 1/13/2009 11:58:13 AM
    It is intresting to see your hate of JZ exposed, you can't compare Mbeki 's situation with JZ. JZ was released from his duties before he can even be charged, hence the inocent ...applied by ANC. mbeki,did a lot, including undermining the new leadership. It's a pity you so called profs, media and opposition parties have found JZ guilty by inference by Squire, but TM innocent why? TM's guilt or lack of was not decided, but alas!!TM is vindicated, keep your judgement and we will keep our JZ

    Baldwin 1/13/2009 11:58:33 AM
    The outcome of yesterday's rulling on JZ will cost them dearly.Imagine if MBEKI decide to take them on based on unfair dissmisal.Tax payers money will be utilised unnecessarly cause of the arrogancy of the ANC.Any nagative comments/action by MBEKI against the ANC will have a huge impact on supporters who are not sure of where they stand.Baldy

    power 1/13/2009 12:01:52 PM
    Mr.Zuma will be the President its either you like it or not,i wonder how most citizens can be blinded and fooled by journalists, i regard them as part of Mbeki's troop conspired against JZ.They will never win this battle.

    JBird 1/13/2009 12:02:01 PM
    Corrupting the minds of young South Africans. Bullsh&t it is people like Pierre who part the facts and allow young south africans to make educated decisions and not blindly follow a party. What scares me is that so many South Africans do not see the wrong in voting a man into power that is being investigated for corruption but will vote Mbeki out. There is only one conspiracy and that is in the ANC however the supporters are to uninformed to see that.

    EM 1/13/2009 12:08:51 PM
    I think the NPA and JZ are wasting with our money and time. This case is not doing any good for our country and my simple question is why is taking the NPA so long to have concrete evidence? I believe JZ is protecting a lot of beneficiaries from the arms deal.He will protect them as much as he can and he will receive a gold hand shake from all them later for their corrupt deals.It is sad time for our beautifull country and politicians will always fool us by all means to hold on to power.

    Reader 1/13/2009 12:09:00 PM
    Anyone who has knowledge of the bible knows that comparing anyone with JC is not blasphemy, and therefore making that comparison is not subject to judgement in the hereafter. Blasphemy is very clearly defined as 'ascribing to satan that which is a work of the holy spirit'. I know this is out of context with the rest of the discussion, but i've been waiting to say that since the furore initially caused by the JZ/JC comparison. As disasteful as that comparison is, it's not blasphemy.

    Filemon 1/13/2009 12:09:02 PM
    and sought to protect their muppet Zuma should be rejoicing noww that the charges against Thint and Thompsons will be re-instated otherwise in their zeal to protect the corrupted (JZ) they were actually protecting the corruptees (Thint & Thomsons)

    MP3 1/13/2009 12:14:35 PM
    Good reading, thanks!

    HAD 1/13/2009 12:18:10 PM
    Whether Nicholcon was correct or not, without him we would not have the firing of Mbeki and the creation of COPE. COPE has been the best thing for the democracy in SA in years. Perhaps it was an ANC plan that backfired, perhaps it was deviously clever from him. Thank you Nicholson!

    niel 1/13/2009 12:18:12 PM
    I have a question. Do I as a citizen of this circus country also have the right to waste tax payer?s money and take the food out of the poor's mouth to try to stay out of court. Just wondering if I also have those privileges? At it seems to be the right thing to do...lol

    Proudly Coloured 1/13/2009 12:18:38 PM
    I agree with Mr. Zuma, yes...too little is being done to prevent corruption. Even Zuma himself will get away with his corrupt dealings. I must say, in the past these things were never heard of when the De klerks and Bothas were ruling.............OK OK Im sure there was corruption amongst them BUT THESE GUYS OF TODAY TAKES THE CAKE.

    TC 1/13/2009 12:27:08 PM
    All I can say is that the elections will be quite interesting this year.

    katman 1/13/2009 12:29:25 PM
    you can "Dr Jacob Zuma" all you like. Doesn't change the fact that he had no formal schooling and all three his doctorates (literature, administration and philosophy - yeah right) were honorary freebies from Fort Hare, Medunsa and Zululand. So not just a skelm, but an uneducated one too.

    Trotsky 1/13/2009 12:30:45 PM
    It is important that our individual love for Mr Zuma does not cloud our responsibility as citezens of this country to advance fight against poverty,crime etc.This means those who stand to personally benefit from Mr Zuma presidency should equally look at the intrests of our masses which wiIl cleary be ignored.The fact that Mr Mbeki was fired on the of wrong judgement,tells us that it is about revenge by those who have personal vendeta and command power in the ANC. are not

    Frank 1/13/2009 12:34:45 PM
    What a bunch of BS, c'mon people...if you are corrupt then it is so and i don't want JZ for president, if not well let him in but this cat and mouse game tires me...let's rename S.A to Zim....or change the criteria on resumes for political posts, point three...you must have a record with SAPS to join office..

    Rainbow Nation 1/13/2009 12:35:50 PM
    How can you support a man that has stolen your money & still left you in poverty? Is this the mentality of the average Zuma supporter? They must be out of their minds - how do they justify this blind support? Its supposed to be about the Party, not the man himself, but they don't care - no ANC for them if its not Zuma led. And how much must you earn to equally support his HUGE family & countless wifes? No wonder he has made "alternative arrangements". No worries - the devil looks after his own...

    JC 1/13/2009 12:36:43 PM
    As they say, " There is no smoke without fire". If JZ has nothing to hide,why not let the process happen. Why I so much time, money & effort being wasted on somthing that is supposedly not true. Go to court JZ and prove us wrong or let the NPA prove you wrong.

    Ndina 1/13/2009 12:37:15 PM
    Equally as we try to understand yesterday's judgement and its implications, we need to ponder at this question: Why is the ANC so adamant to force JZ unto us? Does this mean that the clique in the ANC has invested a lot in this man? Does it mean that the ANC is suffering from severe leadership crisis? Are there no other capable cadres within the ANC who could lead this country? What is so special about JZ? Is he a shoulder above all NEC members?This arrogance is going to cost the ANC my vote...

    Ndina 1/13/2009 12:37:41 PM
    Equally as we try to understand yesterday's judgement and its implications, we need to ponder at this question: Why is the ANC so adamant to force JZ unto us? Does this mean that the clique in the ANC has invested a lot in this man? Does it mean that the ANC is suffering from severe leadership crisis? Are there no other capable cadres within the ANC who could lead this country? What is so special about JZ? Is he a shoulder above all NEC members?This arrogance is going to cost the ANC my vote...

    Ngagara 1/13/2009 12:39:37 PM
    Isn't interesting that SCA judges infer that Judge Nicholson relied on the media reports with respect to his finding that it is possible that there may be a consipary against Mr Zuma. The very same judges once said a lower court had found that there was generally corrupt realtionship between Mr Zuma and Mr Shaik and yet the judge of the lower court retorted this and went on to tell the rest of us that there was no such finding in his judgement, clearly this they know from experience themselves.

    Tasta 1/13/2009 12:45:07 PM
    I'm still waiting to hear what Malema and Vavi have to say.

    jacques 1/13/2009 12:46:05 PM
    Ok, now that you have accepted the judgement...where else do you intend spending my tax money? Also, you can be darn glad that this is not the USA, I would have sued the holy crap out of you for spending my hard earned tax money on an expert justice evader and a cause I DO NOT believe in....

    Sonny 1/13/2009 12:47:34 PM
    If you want to lay an egg please get your facts right. Vast difffirence between HARMS and Harmse!

    Regina 1/13/2009 12:47:37 PM
    Why does Zuma so desperately want to avoid his day in court for such an "innocent man"? The very same people singing his praises right now, will be the first ones complaining when he does not deliver on his promises and the country is run into the ground. What leadership do they really expect from a man of such character? Who wants to live in Zimbabwe Ext1? We should all be worried. Africa's history speaks for itself and we do not need this right now.

    ian 1/13/2009 12:54:51 PM
    I believe there is only one way to settle this & that is; either JZ has his day in court or some kind of investigation must be conducted! We (ALL!) deserve some answers! Was JZ setup? Who's guilty of what? I believe only those who are afraid of his guilt wouldn't want this! (Thanks Prof. for a great article!)

    Not yet Uhuru 1/13/2009 12:58:20 PM
    They looted this country and put our money in Australia, we are still paying for debts they took to kill us, If you investigate them the DA, will fight you headon, and the judiciary. Remember Basson, was it not the DA, that told the NPA, it will waste tax payers money if they continue with his investigations? What about the burning of minotoria building in Pretoria? If you think 4mil from a friend over a period of 10 years is a cake,then Ur lost.

    The Admiral 1/13/2009 1:26:34 PM
    To Not Yet Uhuru: Firstly, Judge Harms is on record as saying that his findings in the Harms Commission were incorrect because he was lied to by those who gave evidence. In a court or a commission, a judge is required to make a finding on the evidence presented, including what witnesses say. Secondly, Judge Harms was only one of five judges. He wrote and delivered the judgement but all of the other four (including 'new order' judges) agreed with it.

    mlungisi 1/13/2009 1:53:20 PM
    Check my comments on news24. Stop being anti-freedom and give us your views. As I promised, I am more interested in you when you are using your brain. Can you help me understand why NPA decided to recharge Zuma? In your opinion do you real believe they now have a winnable case against Zuma? Why they did not appeal against the 2006 decision?

    manamzo 1/13/2009 1:55:41 PM
    Zuma is about to reach dead end. He played every trick in oder to avoid court hearings.

    Mark 1/13/2009 2:04:13 PM
    To Jail, where he should be. Yes I know we innocent until proven guilty, but then why is he delaying this whole thing? We are going to have a president with a cloud hanging over his head, I do not want that man to be my president. I'm too embarressed to call him such My dad says you can learn alot about ppl by the company they keep, he keeps company with communists and ppl who preach revolution and murder.

    LP 1/13/2009 2:06:58 PM
    The scary part that emanates from all this is that when a competent judge presides, justice is served and if not - justice is lost

    CES 1/13/2009 2:08:47 PM
    Gosh! I can't wait to see how the victorious ANC will react after the elections. My opinion is that as long as there are uneducated, extremely poor and starving people in SA, the ANC will rule. Their method of rule seems to be... keep the people uneducated but feed them for free (occassionally) and they will stay loyal. Almost like my household pet.

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