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Max du Preez

Proud of the Boks

2009-07-08 13:27

I was proud of the way the Springbok rugby players protested against the injustice perpetrated against one of their own last Saturday.

I've heard many namby-pambies complain that it was "silly" and "irresponsible" for the Boks to wear the white arm bands during the last test.

But if John Smit and his men did not protest against the outrageous decision to suspend Bakkies Botha as they did, they would not have been true to the spirit of South Africa.

This is how we do things around these parts. We stand together, we protect and defend our own. An injury to one is an injury to all. If you cross us, we will make you feel it.

We are not English. We are Africans. This is robust territory.

That is why I don't really care what the British and the Australians (who is this phenomenon called Spiro Zavos?) say about the often interesting ramblings of our national coach, Peter de Villiers. Peter is not an English gentleman, he is an African rugby coach.

What's wrong with eccentricity?

I find Peter's statements and explanations entertaining and fascinating. What is wrong with a bit of eccentricity? Why do we insist that he act like a refined diplomat, always measuring every word, never offending anyone?

This is rugby, for Pete's sake, not international affairs. At least the guy has a personality. At least he's interesting. I can't say the same of Ian McGeechan, however much we respect the Lions coach. He brought no colour to the game.

I think Peter was correct to make ten changes in the last team to play the Lions. Not only did those ten guys have the absolutely unique and special privilege to play the Lions, but we had the opportunity to see them perform under pressure.

Some of them passed the test, most of them didn't. But we had the series in the bag already. And remember, this is sport, not war.

I did not like it when Peter turned the criticism of Ricky January into a racial incident. But he did have a point, didn't he? Most white rugby supporters' prejudice is still very close to the surface.

I didn't like it when Peter stood up at a public function before the April general elections and pledged his vote for the ANC. But let's be honest, would it have created such a furore among rugby supporters if he had pledged his vote to the Democratic Alliance? I don't think so (although I'm sure Makenkhesi Stofile and Butana Komphela would have had multiple heart attacks if he had). Louis Luyt and other rugby bosses were open about their political allegiances and it didn't bother many people.

A fine chap

All in all I think Peter de Villiers is a fine and interesting chap. I would love having him over for a braai.

It's just a pity he simply doesn't have the vision and scientific understanding of the game rugby football required to be a coach on that level of competition.

It's just a pity he doesn't have the tactical and strategic abilities one would expect of the coach of the world’s number one rugby team.

His selection choices have been disastrous at times. Example: the find of the season, Heinrich Brussouw, had to be forced down his throat.

His decision to send virtually the entire bench onto the field towards the end of the first test nearly cost us the series. There was no evidence during the final test that he had worked out any new plans to counter the rampant Lions.

Let's be honest, a drawn series would have been a much fairer reflection of the Lions visit. We were very lucky to win.

It is true, I'm afraid, that De Villiers is still riding on the coat tails of Jake White. Perhaps the Boks would have done better against the Lions if they had no coach at all.

Not playing intelligent rugby

If the team did not have the knowledge, cohesion and leadership of veterans John Smit, Victor Matfield, Bakkies Botha, Fourie du Preez, Jean de Villiers and Bryan Habana, they would have been humiliated by the Lions.

I fear we are going to be humiliated by the Wallabies during the upcoming TriNations series. We're not playing intelligent rugby any more.

We need a new coach. The best one we can find. The next World Cup is just 26 months away.

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Anon 7/8/2009 1:37:15 PM
So what are you saying Max, we have won the series but we do not want to make history by winning 3-0, mediocrity is therefore fine? Its so politically correct to give everyone these days the opportunity to play in the national team (all of them), its taken away the pride of achieving this in the first place, whatever colour you are! As with Brussouw, the public outcry over an out of form Ricky also had to be forced down his throat.

greenspan 7/8/2009 1:48:49 PM
When Jake White was starting out, he also lost a lot of games, nobody questioned his technical abilities. Secondly he won the World Cup by roping in the English world cup coach as well as Eddie Jones. Nobody complained that he is not up to the task.

Peter Terry 7/8/2009 1:51:49 PM
At last - someone not afraid to put things in perspective. This whole issue of PdeV and the Lions has split people down the middle. Yes, he was brave - and kind - to give a test cap to those guys, and yes, it blew up in his face. But as Max says, this is sport, nothing more. (And the experienced campaigners looked bloody awful, too, let's be honest.) Look at those two finest athletes at Wimbledon the next day. One had to lose. But it was all about humility in victory and magnanimity in defeat. De Villiers is every journo's wet dream. He's worth a dozen scandalous headlines a day!

Durbsviking 7/8/2009 1:55:17 PM
Don't fall into the trap that has every criticism of a black player having racial undertones. Januarie has allowed himself to get badly out of shape. His strengths in carrying the ball and his speed on the pass have gone with his fitness. Fat black man, fat white man, no difference. As for De Villiers, it would be fine if he was an eccentric artist, or even politician, but the last thing we need is the team being distracted by this silly little sideshow. If nothing else, bring in Paul Treu to manage the side, or Jakes deputy - his name escapes me right now.

Bones 7/8/2009 1:56:36 PM
As clever a de Villiers argument as I've read lately. Agree that diplomacy is no requirement of international coaching & that players have the right to protest if they believe that one of their own has been unfairly wronged, just think how much it must've meant to Bakkies? Also agree that PdV is totally out of his depth in pro rugga. He lacks understanding of the game, makes perplexing choices and the side have never looked a cohesive unit under him. Of his many tactical faults quite possibly the most alarming is the fact that he has yet to pick a full–time, dedicated tighthead prop for a squad this year. The Smit experiment has worked, but not one single iota of back–up? Simply defies logic...

Grace 7/8/2009 1:58:17 PM
I could not have said it better!!!!!

JOHNDOE 7/8/2009 1:58:45 PM
Great article Max! I agree 100% especially the part about the new coach, we cant rely on the ghost of Jake and Percy to help us win the 2011 RWC.

stephen 7/8/2009 2:00:18 PM
aaai max - another attempt by you to try get some political favour?? when are you going to just give it up . this article just shows why you are not a rugby commentator... "if you cross us, we will make you feel it"..??? must be the biggest trash I have ever read here.. how do we make them feel it?? by cutting off the blood supply in our left arms by too tight medical gause wrapped around our biceps...??? ja right.. typical ..! that'll show 'em !! you moron.

Bokbefok 7/8/2009 2:01:09 PM
There is only one coach who can emulate Jake White, and that's Heyneke Meyer! Finish en klaar!

Gerhard du Toit 7/8/2009 2:03:12 PM
Excellent, well said, balanced view.

SIPHO 7/8/2009 2:06:35 PM
Whatever Max..You complaining of diplomacy ,why cant you just say it like it is.The man is black and therefore should not be the Bok coach..I would have loved to see you suggesting ,more support and advise from SARU seeing that it is PvD,s first international experience..Everybody make mistakes and so did PvD and sometimes need a little help.Ask Jake White he needed all the help he could get to win..Letting PvD go ,I dont think is fair.

colin 7/8/2009 2:14:48 PM
Sorry Max but PDV will take us to the next RWC and even if he win this he will still not get the respect he deserved - JW managed to lose against Ireland and not once during the JW ear had people questioned his intelligence or waved such a personal attack like PDV has to face - we narrowly won against Tonga in the RWC and in the final against a English team who was not at there strongest we were not all that convincing - it is funny that now that we have a black coach in charged we are expected to win each and every game but the JW team could struggle against Tonga, Lose against Ireland and never dominated against the ABs or AUS - but as I said before if you black you are not afforded the privilege to be average you need to be twice as good a the white brother next to you - I for one have accepted this in my professional life and choose from a personal view not to complain but rather to put my white brother in his place and show him what excellence looks like

HENNIE 7/8/2009 2:18:43 PM
I AM SURE SARU NEGOTIATED AN ESCAPE CLAUSE IN THEIR FAVOUR TO OUST THE COACH PREMATURELY SUBJECT TO VARIOUS REASONS, ONE BEING THE INABILITY TO ADAPT AS COACH ON THIS LEVEL OF THE GAME. FOR ONCE IT IS ABOUT THE MERITS OF THE COACH AND NOTHING ELSE.DIV HAS BEEN GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO PROVE HIS CALIBRE AT THIS LEVEL AND QUITE OBVIOUSLY FELL FAR SHORT OF HIS JOB DESCRIPTION.LET US HAVE ANOTHER ROUND OF CANDIDATES FOR THE JOB PRIOR TO THE NEXT WORLD CUP AND HANDLE THE PROCEDURE ON PURE MERIT THIS TIME ROUND.

Gareth 7/8/2009 2:21:49 PM
Agreed. Though, i wouldn't like him over for a braai. his voice is like nails on a chalkboard!

norman 7/8/2009 2:41:42 PM
i love watching p.Divvies comments,finally rugby after match analysis has become fun to watch,however i do believe that the aussies will win the try nations-not because of talent and raw skill but because of cunningness and intelect,with there new coach they will play clever rugby and unfortunatly most of our administrators,coaches and players cant spell clever.If it wasnt for J.Smit we would have lost the Lions series!

Ryan 7/8/2009 2:42:27 PM
The senior players are pulling us through in the pressure situations.
The team that played the final test against the Lions proved that there is no substitute for experience.
These senior players are hungry for a Tri-Nations trophy to cap off the series win against the Lions. I just hope and pray that they can overcome the poor decisions the coaching staff are making to be in with a chance. On paper and on form, we are the best of the three sides involved.

ernst 7/8/2009 2:49:02 PM
Word for word I AGREE, except that you do not "experiment" or "give everybody a run" when the opportunity arises to make history (whitewash the Lions).

Joe 7/8/2009 2:49:31 PM
You know max I agree with you entirely. Peter certainly is not the appropriate coach needed, but most certainly the most entertaining of coaches. Had the boks not protested and followed the correct channels would there had been any different results. I doubt so. childish yes, but certainly needed.

keith 7/8/2009 2:50:35 PM
I have to say I'm worried about the Tri Nations after last years dismal performance. P Divvy has a lot to prove; we can complain as much as we like – results are what count. Lets hope it isn’t left to late before changes, if/when required, are made.

pete 7/8/2009 2:53:30 PM
A public protest was not good form, regardless of your argument. Life happens - we don't always get our way with either the weather, the refs, the pitches, injuries or any of life's other setbacks. In cricket those variables add intrigue to every game and no one complains because the odds balance out eventually. What will become of sport if we start protesting every call and second guessing every decision. Besides anything else the tactic has been a public relations folly, hurting a brand that has suffered some blows at the hands of politicians and past prejudices about dirty play. Yes we are Africans, but we don't have to confirm the prejudices that prevail about Aficans - we are world citizens too and need to respect our context, because in that context, humility and character is more appropriate - which is why a young Protea brand is starting to outshine a far older Bok Brand.

Robert 7/8/2009 2:55:54 PM
You make some good points. But I'd argue over the January point - he's clearly badly out of form. A bad pick... poor play. But isn't that what we've come to expect from "Div"? After all weren't those booing January also chanting "Beast"?

Doorboot 7/8/2009 3:07:51 PM
Spot on Max, once again (to my own suprise) I am in complete agreement. I also think he is a hoot and personaly love his ramblings but yes lets face it he cannot find his arse with both hands even when Dick Muir is showing it to him...

Peter V 7/8/2009 3:12:45 PM
At last! a balanced and objective view that I can relate to wholeheartedly. Well done Max .. you have got it spot on!

Mr No RugbyBrain 7/8/2009 3:15:40 PM
Max, I reckon rugby is very far from your experience apart from battling debates you had at school I bet...you must realise that rugby is not just that..it's so much embroiled in politics and other stuff that you cannot ignore the fact that the coach is everything in one and performance on the field is indeed vitally important and you will find that our coaches that have some savvy in front of the media have invariably gone on to do well..PDIV has a goodish record so far but he has inherited a great wealth of talent which has had a uge role to play...what you are condoning is like having a headmaster of a posh school publicly advocating aggressive initiation rituals and expecting the parents to buy this!!

bomskok 7/8/2009 3:22:56 PM
greenspan,

Its because Jake White took over a losing team and molded them into a winning one. The pressure was always going to be on PdV because he took over a World Cup winning team.

Schalk Burger 7/8/2009 3:35:18 PM
I agree Max, we fight fire wif fire! Tutus and high heels, it's all about being African and dondering the red coats! I luf dirty play!

Skokbom 7/8/2009 3:38:39 PM
Oh how short the memories. Seems no one remembers the howls of indignation, screaming for Jake White's dismissal. Now, he is a hero. As for PdV? I'd rather complain about a couch with foot-in-mouth disease than a Bok team with lose-and-lose-again disease. Bomskokkie, you forget easily how the Boks lost and lost with Jake as their coach, eh. Did you also scream for his dismissal?

NoYes 7/8/2009 3:45:23 PM
You want it both ways. While saying Peter de Villiers is a nice chap you also say he is incompetent ? A colorful personality can only afford this kind of talk if backed by competence.
The white armbands are simply childish.

NeilA 7/8/2009 3:45:33 PM
could someone please tell me why we got rid of Jake white in the first place???????????

colin 7/8/2009 4:00:04 PM
All you JW supporters lets see what he can do with the Lions - I hope they make him head coach then he will probably call Eddie Jones to give him coaching lessons - if he was so great then why call in so many consultants - he reminds me of our government officials.

ChrisS 7/8/2009 4:07:06 PM
Hey Max, when did you start writing sensible articles, I'm impressed......!

007Boer 7/8/2009 4:14:59 PM
What! Max Du Preez writing something on Rugby?! Truly the End of Days is upon us.

Niel 7/8/2009 4:15:34 PM
Well-said Max. We do not have to dance to anybody's tune as a powerful rugby playing nation yet but our great sport is on the slide. The finess appears to have gone out of our game altogether and the reversion to violence under pressure reveals a questionable intellectual capacity.

Freddie 7/8/2009 4:25:07 PM
I think we, the rugby mad public, should all wear white armbands (with SHHHH!!! written on them) to protest against Div opening his mouth at press conferences.

Bryan 7/8/2009 4:26:23 PM
Colin - People are questioning his decisions and selections. Not if he is winning or losing games. If we loose, lets say, because of the whole bench coming on at once....id say that's a bad decision. In hindsight..always easier. PdV is an idiot for making the January thing racial, he is out of form and out of shape. Does anyone know what the quota is?? Maybe the country would better understand his choices.

zoo 7/8/2009 4:27:40 PM
Colin? Where have you been? Hordes of rugby scribes and fans called for Jake White's head during 2006/2007, only when he got to the World Cup did it abate! White's 2006 and pre-RWC results were dire. De Villiers has had the easiest ride a Bok rugby coach has ever had because his is a cast iron job. Fans and scribes can see the lack of structure, discipline and drilling which is apparent in a badly coached side. Its got nothing to do with race. Those idolising the Beast want De Villiers removed in the same breath - where is the racism there? Or does it not register in case your rather simplistic argument is exposed?

bryan 7/8/2009 4:28:47 PM
Greenspan - Jake inherited a side in shambles, Div inherited the world cup winners. Please keep things in perspective.

bob 7/8/2009 4:30:43 PM
Where's my comment?! Laaaaank annoying, people.

Peter 7/8/2009 4:38:06 PM
Same old people bring race into the debate aka Colin and Sipho. As soon as anyone dares to criticise a black oke then they are branded racist. Well chaps the race card has been well and truly overplayed and is now not the get out clause it once was for incompetence. And this is what de Villiers is - incompetent as a coach. He was after all a political appointment which makes it hard on him but tough. If you're not good enough you have to go.

Robyn 7/8/2009 4:42:36 PM
So they protest about the injustice of it all, and end up playing another dirty game. It's embarrassing, why can't they just play the game AND stick to the rules!

brazilrugger 7/8/2009 4:57:45 PM
max, thank goodness for people like you. you are a breath of fresh air and i have been saying such similar thigns to you on a few fora recently. Man, i hope the world doesnt dampen your spirit. I dont know sometimes how you stay in such a healthy frame of mind. I would love to come over for a braai by the way when i get back form the US :)
regards, p

rightguard 7/8/2009 5:12:34 PM
Wearing armbands for a player suspended for only 2 weeks?As the law states did not bind properly and charge in like a bull in a chinashop dislocating the opponent's shoulder in the process.I think the protest was over the top.

fred 7/8/2009 5:35:16 PM
Nice to give everyone an opportunity . . . it doesn't matter that the poor supporters had to fork out R1200 per ticket to watch the second stringers being demolished!

Punani 7/8/2009 5:53:51 PM
Doing things the African way is very seldom the right way. What next....the players doing a bit of toyi toying in retaliation to the Haka before a test. Someone needs to tell it like it us. Peter de Villiers is a disgrace to our nation, not because he is of colour, but because he cuts a pathetic figure and embarrases a proud rugby nation everytime he opens his mouth. Trying to justify his idiotic outburts by saying "at least he has a personality" is a ridiculous statement. Rather keep quite and be considered a fool than open you mouth and confirm the fact! Max, all in all, a very poor article.

Al J. Venter 7/8/2009 6:00:49 PM
Who is really concerned about what an opportunist political has-been like Max Du Preez has to say about rugby? He's been sprouting forth for years on this agenda and that, with little consistency. Judging by his last book, that seemed to be no more than a cut-and-paste job. Stay on your farm Max and mind your sheep. If you'd had the balls you would have been prominent in trying to fix wrongs in present-day South Africa. The impression I (and a lot more like me) get is that you're so far past the sphincter muscles of some notable political figures that I'm surprised that you can breathe.

Al J. Venter, Sault Sainte Marie, Canada

coloured bk supporter 7/8/2009 6:01:43 PM
I agree with most of your comments Max, but not the one about letting Div go. Jake had all the help of an english coach, eddie Jones. I feel Div needs help in the areas where he is lacking. if its his words in the media and not being politically correct then give the guy a spokesperson or at least coach him in saying the right things. It so typically, we let the black coaches hang them selves without assisting them. All we do is complain.

Doc 7/8/2009 6:22:56 PM
The protest would have been fine if their was real injustice. The injustice perpetrator was however identified and punished as he should have been. One needs to say though studying the young man's career. The mere fact that he can play rugby without arms is a feat in itself. As for Div, he is not more arrogant than Jake and not more emotionally volatile than the other coaches people like to hold up. Pity though he doesn't surround himself with better strategists.

Darryl 7/8/2009 7:15:44 PM
Hey I know, next time we raffle off tickets for a spot in the starting team and the money can go to a rugby charity. Then we'll also get a chance to play against the Lions. That'd be awesome!

Sorry Max, but 3-0 would have been much better than 2-1 and would have put an abrupt end to the "Who was the better team?" questions that we've had to hear since the first test ran so close. And I agree, the armbands were silly. Bakkies got an appeal, he lost, deal with it.

Ellen Nortje 7/8/2009 7:24:57 PM
Max...what can I say? Sharp, razor sharp and sooo erudite

jw 7/8/2009 7:45:37 PM
Max is very Bitter.He Dishonestly used Liberal talk to express his Disgust with Peter Div after the Boks WON the series.Nothing in Defence of the coach Only Negative drivel and the notion that he is a Jolly fella to be Invited to a Braai but not to coach the Boks.He should stick to politics and Ask the question Why his Type sold us OUT to the Empire for a Pound of gold.

jw 7/8/2009 8:25:06 PM
You Know the role senior players have in ANY team.You should also Know the role of ALL the coaches involved in the Bok set-up.Yet you give the Senior players ALL credit and the Coaching staff NONE.How OBJECTIVE is that Max.It seems like you Are indeed making Shallow Unfounded allegations.Must be all that Sundayschool Indoctrination.You Showed your Lack of rugby knowledge and you have Shown you Disgust with for the Individual Peter De Villiers.

jw 7/8/2009 8:30:01 PM
Colin That was Sense.You have Cofused Max.What you say Counter his Sundayschool believe system.

jw 7/8/2009 8:35:04 PM
The Only positive reaction Max will get will be from the Negative.Max is Bitter,Pity.

Gerrard 7/8/2009 9:19:04 PM
Thankyou Max for standing up for our boks.
Seem like you 1 of a very few with iron balls.
Kiwibok

Anel 7/9/2009 2:00:11 AM
I agree with you 100%
I am also tired of any criticism of PdV being seen as racism. It is so typical. If a black person does not perform and someone criticizes them, it is seen as racism. PdV is a terrible coach – whether he is black or white.

Malcolm 7/9/2009 2:02:46 AM
@Greenspan: Jake took the Springboks over when South Africa was rated 7th in the world and losing was no surprise to any of us. He saved a sinking ship as a result of qoutas and still today we are forced to have it. So, ask yourself the question: How did Jake White handed the Springboks over or even more realistic as what did PDV received them?? South Africa needs to be more profesional and with this sort of behavior we are only alienating the Int Rugby Community and most of all ourselves. We already locked horns with SANZAR and threatend to move north and now we bumped our heads against the UK whose next the EU? The game isn't amature any more it's profesional and we have to change with the game to succeed as this sort of behaviour is unacceptable, so Max I agree we need a new Coach and that this protest was long overdue because of the sticma surrounding our players, but not on everything els you've mentioned. Maybe JW could become director of rugby to deal with the press and be a consultant to no other but PDV. Put a lid on PDV or we'll really need a new Coach.....

Marius 7/9/2009 6:03:26 AM
Well done Max ,
Perhaps the most balanced and impartial report from your pen I have ever read !!!
Critisism don't need to be downgrading ,or tainted by colour !!!

Dave 7/9/2009 6:47:48 AM
Ah what fickle supporters we South Africans are. What gets my goat is that everything seems to come down to black and white when comments or decisions are made that we don't agree with. Where are you guys when Brian habana scores or the Beast touches the ball? Those supporters shouting their names and cheering wildly are mostly white! I also do not believe Div is the right guy to coach the boks. Not because of his pigmentation or politics but because of the rugby team I love to support and want to win!Regardless of the color of the coach or players!!

dave 7/9/2009 6:51:18 AM
I think the arm bands might have been a little childish to an outsider but what do you think it did for the team? Ask Bakkies and you will see his chest swell and his face light up when he tells you that the guys should not have done that and then check the pain on the next opponents face when Bakkies goes out and does his job for his team. I love it!!

da brudda 7/9/2009 7:38:26 AM
In reply to Nelia 03:45:33PM "could someone please tell me why we got rid of Jake white in the first place???????????" = 'cos he is white!!

Krulkop 7/9/2009 7:56:48 AM
It is evident you are a journalist and not an expert on the game. All your life as a journalist you strive on stirring

Jaz 7/9/2009 8:51:23 AM
Max, please don't confuse being eccentric with making a fool of yourself.

Piet van Tonder 7/9/2009 8:51:46 AM
i do find it amazing that when the boks win its always about the senior player and when they loose its about the coach? how does that work?

sue 7/9/2009 11:12:17 AM
Well said Max. As always a well rounded debate. I just have one question..... Mandela removed the colour bar, so what's the issue on Peter's colour.... black or white should not be an issue. Let's get back to basics - you play good, you have experience you're hired! And if the coach isn't good - well we all know the drill. Personally I love his coloured antics (oops a Freudian slip) but think his skills leave much to be desired. We hung on by our teeth but I have a lot of doubt about the Tri Nations - it's not a done deal but it could have been.

Tyrone 7/9/2009 2:04:39 PM
Well said collin. Thats exactly how it is most times.

jw 7/9/2009 2:14:56 PM
Proud of the Boks? Just Not their coloured coach.He does Not Conform to the Distortion Supplied by Your Empire.You were Educated by the Empire and that is What standard you Measure with.You Rugby argument is Devoid of the Whole truth,you Fit Only that Comfortable to Your distortion.White is Bright.Die NG kerk het jou opgeNeek.

jw 7/9/2009 2:25:38 PM
Max argue like Clem Sunter,an Empire denialist.Same as geelgat Van Zyl Slabbert that Deny the True reasons for the Boer War.He talk about all the pain and suffering but not Once does he mention the Gold and Diamonds and how WE were Robbed and it still Continue.Max Like the Boks,just Not their coloured coach based on principles Relevant to Empire Indoctrination.Go get yor Swine-Flu injections Max,Rumsfeld Prepared it just for You and Your Kind.

Eugene 7/15/2009 8:07:29 AM
Some people's memories are letting them down. Jake White WAS questioned and criticized, and yes he made mistakes. PdV does not have abad record so far....let's see what happens in the future and only then start asking question from him. I don't think he's that bad, give him a fair chance.

Hnie 7/15/2009 1:40:54 PM
Funny how some people calls PdV black. He is South African and is judged purely on what he does and says. That is also the case with each and every player. I am Afrikaans and when I watch rugby with my friends no one refers to the colour of any player. Some people is just SOOO obsessive with race. So please lets all be just South Africans and maybe if Bafana does well in 2010 we will all cheer for them without referring to the race of most players.
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