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'Independence for W Cape?'

by Paul
2009-07-17 07:43

Dear Editor,

I have just returned from a five-day stay over in Cape Town and was pretty impressed with how well the Western Cape has been governed.

The streets are clean, police are visible and one generally gets the impression that the city is more functional than provinces governed by the ANC.

The thought that immediately crossed my mind was that the Western Cape should seek independence from the rest of ANC controlled South Africa. Why not let the ANC have the rest of South Africa and let the DA have the Western Cape as another country with its own identity?

Surely the government shouldn't have an issue with such an arrangement as there is a clear difference in values and principles between the Western Cape and the other provinces.

This will also allow people that support law and order and good governance to move to a country that suites these values and the people that prefer to support an ANC type governance style to live in a country suitable to their values. One must also remember that none of the main ethnic groups that make up the ANC are from the Western Cape anyway ie Xhosas, Zulus, Sothos or Tswanas.

That way the ANC, IFP, Communist party etc could exist in their own "democracy" while DA, ID etc supporters would have an opportunity to immigrate to the newly formed country in the form of the Western Cape.

I'm sure that the ANC would welcome such a move as it would give them an opportunity to build a country of their own where people of similar values live.

I would pack my bags and "immigrate" to this new Western Cape country without hesitation and start again.

In fact, I'd urge the people of the Western Cape to fight for independence. The handful of ANC supporters living in the Western Cape could also leave for a country governed by a party of their choice. It must be as difficult for them to live under a DA controlled province as it is for me to live under an ANC controlled province.

Paul

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Kabelo 7/17/2009 7:49:17 AM
Whatever man. I haven't even read this piece of Cr@p cause it's not wotrth my response. The only thing i can say to you is get a life.

chris 7/17/2009 7:52:58 AM
that's all we need - after all the hard work in fighting for a united SA - independence for a small region of the country! what a hoot. anybody who thinks that this will happen is in dreamland. if the cape is being governed well then do as the beatles of yore used to do..... let it be....

Tokollo 7/17/2009 7:55:15 AM
The police are visible? The streets are clean? This sounds like Durban and PE? Why should they also not seek independence? There's not Sothos or Xhosas in Capetown? Thst's the most ignorant comment i've ever heard. Where are from Orania perhaps?

Japes 7/17/2009 7:55:21 AM
Paul for president of the Republic of the Western Cape.

Eles 7/17/2009 7:58:19 AM
Hahaha whilst I agree with you the reality is the ANC can't afford to lose taxpayers and a huge chunk would move to the Western Cape under those circumstances. ANC also cannot handle competition and been shown up which lets face it the DA does ongoing. The difference between DA governance and ANC governance is that the DA wonder upon wonders actually does some work whereas the ANC sits mostly on their backsides all day trying to look important whilst doing very little, they meet about meeting and think they are owed that job - I have never come across an enthusiastic government employee! I do not doubt that if most people applied for their jobs on merit and performance most of government and its workers would not have their current jobs. Look at the gross mismanagement funds left to accumulate that could be spent improving education and the lives of the poor just gaining interest probably because some politician has his eye on taking that for himself! I have had mixed feelings about all of these strikes realising that in this economy one is lucky to retain their jobs and yet i have been informed that there is no money for increases which I know to be true but man I could use that 12% or 14% other people are demanding, I don't know about anyone else but my electricity has tripled since June last year - quite hectic and people condescendingly tell us to save - with what? If I go on strike I would be replaced! Government needs to reduce tax we just can't cope and I begrudge my tax money been spent as it currently is!

John 7/17/2009 7:58:51 AM
Oooooooo ... opened up a can of worms ... can't wait to see the responses

Kabelo 7/17/2009 8:00:54 AM
This is absolutely ridiculous. Why should we leave the this wonderful Gauteng Province with all its riches to the ANC?

jorene 7/17/2009 8:03:34 AM
I fully agree. If Swaziland and Lesotho can have their own country in the South of Africa, why can't we in the Western Cape have ours as well.

Andrew 7/17/2009 8:05:29 AM
That is a fabulous idea, I expect it would require a war to achieve though, I have lived in the western cape for 3 years after growing up and living on the East rand and its like chalk and cheese !!! I expect you are going to get lambasted by our currently advantaged friends for being racist, it seems EVERYTHING is racist these days, funnily enough not in the Wcape though, here we just live and enjoy and try to ensure that the DA remain in power!

VG 7/17/2009 8:05:45 AM
Yesterday, i thought Kevin's article was the biggest piece of shite I'd ever had the misfortune to read. Today, you've taken his crown. Honestly,gfys

Poloyatonki 7/17/2009 8:09:13 AM
I just drove through Adderly Street this morning to work and there is rubbish all over and I didn’t see any policemen. Stupid article. Just another anti-ANC article.

mike 7/17/2009 8:10:16 AM
Yea, and we should build a great big wall along the border, to keep people we don't like from coming in. Also, I don't like people that look different from me, can we kick them out too, please?

ENrust 7/17/2009 8:11:43 AM
Paul, don't you have anything better to write about? like really... this is completely cr@p...

Anon 7/17/2009 8:13:05 AM
I'm Zulu and stay in the WC - have my whole life. Tell me, Paul, am I welcome in this new state? Will I be forcibly removed because I don't fit your profile of a typical WC person? Do I have to support the DA & ID to stay there?

Magapane 7/17/2009 8:13:52 AM
In your dreams... Just recently the people pf Khayelitsha were protesting for poor service delivery... the khoi ethnic group were rioting against the auctioning of their forefathers' land and you have the nerve to call that good governance. Just because it continue to serve the interests of minority that does not mean it's a good governance. You are longing for yester years of apartheid and it's a pity we still have self serving, backward thinking and unprogressive people like you in this country. Perhaps you should be thinking to relocate to countries like Israel, surely you will it enjoy being a racist there.

sobermind 7/17/2009 8:14:00 AM
Paul,
That will never happen, i will personally fight it tooth and nail. Africans are oppressed in the Western Cape whilst its part of SA, how much more if it is to gain independance. Please remember Paul like all who share your ideals, Cape Town is not a little european island, it very much part of SA. Cape Town is in Africa and Africans shall habitate it , if there is such an english term.

motswanagape 7/17/2009 8:17:14 AM
Paul did u loose your bottle- kop?only an evil mind(the like which gave birth to Apartheid) can think of such an idea .So much for reconciliation.The ANC think tanks are miles ahead of you .There is nothing like the Western Cape:The ANC created it.They can use their 2/3 majority to bring to end your evil plan today if they want to.

Halfwise 7/17/2009 8:17:59 AM
So you say (none of the main ethnic groups that make up the ANC are from the Western Cape) i think is just like DA supporters they are not African all foreigners.

Koos 7/17/2009 8:19:04 AM
Can't agree more. I'll be one of the first to move there to get away from the ANC's cr@p!!!!

goomps 7/17/2009 8:19:18 AM
WHY WHY WHY, It should be our duty to build this country, so why do so many (Not all) White people insist on bringing back this separatist mentality back. South Africa is united, good and bad Black and White and everything between. I love South Africa, All of it.

We have our problems let’s face them and work together towards moving SA towards this bench mark we have set. Let’s pickup litter, let’s start reporting crime, let’s start caring about everyone. Let’s stop complaining and start making a difference. Join forums, community project or a neighbourhood watch.

I guess my point is that you would not give up on your brother or your child. Start treating people as such and instead of wanting to run away when a family member is having a hard time you will want to help and pull them through the hard patches.

Chris G 7/17/2009 8:21:28 AM
Here's an idea... how about the DA just rather rules the whole country and then everywhere can be as awesome as the western cape?

Rolls Royce 7/17/2009 8:21:39 AM
Alot of people dream of this,but sadly the anc won't let this happen,due to loss of taxes ect.Personally i would move to this new country in a flash.Vote for the Cape Party...check their website.....Funny i thought all the DA hater's Poliopitkop,1/2 wit ect would love this to happen,then you could be rid of the white bastards for good

fred 7/17/2009 8:22:48 AM
AGREED COMPLETELY. nuff said.

Lindz 7/17/2009 8:24:41 AM
oh dude u are so living in the past. that will never happen. if you want independence from the ANC why dont u then voetsek and leave the country.what a stupid article!

Sinudeity 7/17/2009 8:24:49 AM
I am against the seperation of WCape from South Africa. Dont worry, ANC wount control South Africa for too much longer. They have been sucking too much, and the DA has been rawking too hard.

marvel 7/17/2009 8:25:49 AM
@Chris
I dont see any difference at all,

Mzi 7/17/2009 8:25:56 AM
Your article is full of racist comments. you continue to widen the hatred gap between white and black people. your kind will never change.

Beatle 7/17/2009 8:26:27 AM
Paul, Oranje is in the Northern Cape may be you should move there!LEAVE OUR CAPE AND OUR DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY! THIS IS NOT 1985!

HD 7/17/2009 8:27:20 AM
What would happen is that a large number of ANC supporters would see how well it goes in the WC and will move there. Then they'll vote in the ANC and the WC will become the same as the rest of SA with hopeless service delivery and corrupt officials! Secondly to sobermind. I am white, born in Africa and my home language is the ONLY language whose name is derived from the name Africa. So stop refering to Africans as excluding white people. I am also an African and proud of it!

John 7/17/2009 8:29:48 AM
Have mercy, we are scraping the bottom here. I am thankful, Paul, I do not know you. I would hate to have to listen to you at braais. I'm white, and your line of thinking is dangerous my friend. Do you know what you're saying, really?

Mad 7/17/2009 8:31:30 AM
You cant make Cape Town Austrailia. If our values do not meet up to your expectations and you are so desparate to have them, move to a country that has them, but South Africa is South Africa, Western Cape and all.

Phinah 7/17/2009 8:32:00 AM
The ANC will never evn think of giving the WC independence, because it is the only province that is actually doing well globally. Best Mayor in the World, 2nd Best tourist destination in the world etc
If they let WC then most people will finally realise that we should all move to that province and they wont have anyone to rule

Mike F 7/17/2009 8:32:42 AM
This is one of those people who go to Camps Bay, & thinks this is Cape Town. Have you been to Mitchells Plain, Khayelitsa, Phillipi & other areas where Cape Town people live? Have you heard about the service delivery protests in Cape Town? Have you heard/seen/read about the flooded shacks in Cape Town? Have you heard/seen/read about the shack fires that plague Cape Town in summer? Or are these not part of the Cape Town that you choose to know. May Mandela Day inspire you to discover your own values of compassion & nation building

bongani 7/17/2009 8:33:30 AM
Cape Town is not western Cape, but part of it. It seems some white people are busy exposing their stupidity in public. You were in cape town for 5 days, Did you go to Goodwood, Bellville, Tygerberg, and many other western Cape areas. it is okay to be stupid, but keep it to yourself.Even Jaun can not write this crap.

BlakUman 7/17/2009 8:33:52 AM
Ja ja ja! Whatever!

Edwin 7/17/2009 8:34:11 AM
Funny how most people read racism into this, when the jest of the article is really about service delivery!
Good article and excellent point brought across.

Halfwise 7/17/2009 8:36:24 AM
White people are also not from W/C they arrived on a boat.

marvel 7/17/2009 8:37:45 AM
"In fact, I'd urge the people of the Western Cape to fight for independence"
Paul, if i may ask,Which "people of the Western Cape" are you talking about?
Please elaborate,its interesting

mark 7/17/2009 8:37:56 AM
Living in Dreamland Buddy..!!! One does not move to another Province because of who runs it. The Country is still run by the ANC. So what's the Diff.

Venom 7/17/2009 8:42:16 AM
I am no racist or pesimist or that... but to all the "Africans" that say they are willing to fight to keep the Cape, you guys need to wake up. On equal terms, you will never be able to defeat a white man. You never one a war aginst us... so be careful before you communists take us on. We are all slowly getting fed up with non service delivery, & the lies that are the ANC. That is why the Caoe is under DA control. The ANC do not deliver. I will stand by the DA, & lets see what you all say when we form a " VETERANS MILITANT ARMY" with all our old SAAF Generals. Then lets see how you cry. So back off, everyone has they own opinion.

Wisdom 7/17/2009 8:43:11 AM
I don't agree with this article. We need to spread the good governance to the rest of SA.

justin 7/17/2009 8:45:51 AM
i hate people who have a mindset like this. @ paul - get a life dude, ur an embarrassment to white people in south africa. please leave the country.

@ the other guys who slam all white people as tyrannicle idiots - please remember that not all of us are racist - by holding that mindset you are perpetuating the problem.

again @ paul - GO AWAY - i agree with John, i would hate to be @ a braai with you.

Wisdom @ PoloyPetrol 7/17/2009 8:46:23 AM
Hey Poloy when will you get your head out of your BUT? Just listening to godZille on 5fm! In kayalitsia their is a problem with rubbish all over the place. She said that when their are an uprising of the regular clan they spread these rubbish bins... why are you doing this boetie?

AJ to a number of posters 7/17/2009 8:49:06 AM
What is the difference between a white person advocating self-determination (which the author is not btw) and black people telling whites to leave the country. Look at your own racist attitude first before jumping on other people.

AJ 7/17/2009 8:50:27 AM
White people in SA are settlers from Europe, black people in SA are settlers from Central Africa. This country should only belong to those who want to make it a better place, unfortunately I do not see many of those people around.

Brenda 7/17/2009 8:52:01 AM
Get a life please. You should rather become a proud South African. And whoever agrees to this rubbish should wonder what they are doing in South Africa. We are all South Africans does not matter what province you live in.

Cape Town Kid 7/17/2009 8:52:06 AM
Racism is barbaric and racism is a disease. Racism must be eradicated from society. Lets REDCARD Paul and put him on a boat so he can sail to his fatherland the Netherlands. In fact, he'll be so shocked he will volunteer to wash the feet of all those who live in Langa, Gugs and Nyanga to beg for their forgiveness for LYING!

bob 7/17/2009 8:53:02 AM
Ha ha ha, who cares about the rest of the country.....We be having it here in the Western Cape, run with people with dignity and brains....Who cares about the ANC, they dont influence my life...

nigel 7/17/2009 8:54:57 AM
This suggestion must be a joke, segregation is not the answer, to go forward, we need to integrate, as someone said here, good governance must become part of the whole country. When Black, Whites & coloured see no colour & when we hold our politicians accountable...thats when we will become a nation capable of anything.

Paul 7/17/2009 8:55:23 AM
The point here is that the majority of people in the Western Cape voted for DA and surely they support the values of the ANC's leaders like Jacob Zuma but have to live under a DA controlled region. This has nothing to do with black or white but rather people who share the same values i.e. if you believe in the values of the ANC etc. you will have an oppurtunity to live in a country that embraces these values. Why not? Is there something the ANC supporters in WC are afraid of? Are they scared that the racism card will no longer be a factor in their own ANC controlled country? Ag shame, the poor things.....they won't have anybody to blame when things go like Zim in the north. Typical....

jabu 7/17/2009 8:55:33 AM
Why is it that some people are oblivious to the suffering of many black people during after apartheid. If you want to provoke a civil war or genocide keep speaking this nonsense of secession. I am starting to believe that the ANC was too soft when negotiating with the nats.

coloured 7/17/2009 8:55:54 AM
Paul, if you for one minute think that the Western Cape should detached from SA, think again-I AM SOUTH AFRICAN.The DA, ANC ect. whoever will not take away the Western Cape from RSA and from coloured people who have fought 500 years against this type of ideas.OUR CULTURE IS TO BE HOSPITABLE BUT DON'T TAKE IT FOR A WEAKNESS. WE SHARE THE WESTERN CAPE WITH ALL,BUT NO IMPERIALIST WILL TAKE IT AWAY FROM US !!!

Godfrey 7/17/2009 8:56:29 AM
These polarization sentiments and suggestions are worrying. We cannot go back to bantustant states within SA. I would suggest you just pack your bags and go to europe or wherever you pale-folks come from. WC will always be an african state, if you have problems subjecting under the rule of African descendents. Get the hell out of SA, we dont need you here, dont destabalise our country. We are trying to build a country that is non-racial and you keep dragging us back. Get lost

Graham 7/17/2009 8:58:55 AM
Paul-I would join you in the independent Western Cape like a shot. Having just been on holiday there for 2 weeks everything is better than Gauteng- roads etc. The only problem is-could we take our weather with as it is too good for the ANC

Go ANC 7/17/2009 8:59:26 AM
To Paul and his narrow minded supporters: some young Australian sports fanatics needs a tutor on pronounciation of racist words. I'll facilitate a fund for your air tickets and free accomodation for 6 months. Thanks for the free campaign for the movement. ANC is not perfect, but i put my faith in them so did other million south africans. Give us a chance to prove u otherwise or get out!!

Paul 7/17/2009 9:00:49 AM
Bongani, I went to Goodwood, Somerset West, Durbanville...all over. Come to JHB and look what a real taxi controlled pig stye looks like...all your comrades from the ANC's work. Useless and always having an excuse why things don't work (apartheid, discrimination, racism...blah blah blah). The ANC is useless and perhaps you should move to JHB or anywhere else out of WC if you think they're doing a good job. Also don't forget the bus loads of homeless people that were reloacted to the WC by the ANC in an attempt to boost the vote. The article is not crap....the ANC is.

marvel 7/17/2009 9:00:59 AM
mtshele(Tell Him) Cape Town Kid mpintshi yam

Alex Tucker @ Halfwise 7/17/2009 9:05:37 AM
While I don't agree with the article, I most definately find the ignorance of people like Halfwise incredible. Halfwise, are you San? Most likely not as they (the orginal inhabitants of Southern Africa) were pushed out of their land by the African imigrants from Central Africa, of which the Zulu, Xhosa and nearly all black South Africans are decendant from. In fact roughly 98% of ALL South Africans are decendent from areas other than Southern Africa, so please, unless you have something intelligent to say, say nothing at all. For all of our sakes.

Shimane Mbuyisa to Paul 7/17/2009 9:06:09 AM
You are completely out of order. The Constitution says : "SA is ONE sovereign, democratic state..." You want to secede, try ZoOranjia.

Shandu 7/17/2009 9:07:38 AM
What a load of hogwash.I get a sense when you say Zulus,Xhosas are not from the WC you mean they should leave this province because you don't want to be with them but with people of your race,bigot!!People of your thinking have emigrated to Australia.
I've only been in Cape Town for 12 months, originally from Durbs,Durbs is as much clean and secured,maybe better.
But like Mike F has asked,have you been to the townships in Cape? Look at the news of the floods in CT,people staying in shacks.

I think the most overrated City and province in SA is CT and WC,do not come down here and stay in a better place than where you are from and think the rest of the province is like that.
Drop off that green book you have,pack your bags and head down under,MATE!!

Terry 7/17/2009 9:09:15 AM
I have been to the Western Cape many times, and in my opinion the people from the Western Cape think they have been living in an independant country since sixteen-hundred-and-whatever. Why spoil it for them now by telling them now that they are not independant!

tdk 7/17/2009 9:09:54 AM
If one could find a big enough tent to put over Gauteng, one could call it the biggest circus in the world. Then again, you would be against the rights of animals, cuase circus animals are at least trained and well behaved. Horay to DA and Western Cape for showing a bit of need for service delivery. The Circus of Gauteng does not even come close - unless you see stealing tax-payers money for fancy cars as part of service delivery. You need some kind of transport to get around in Circ' de Gauteng.

paul 7/17/2009 9:09:54 AM
The article never said anything about race...It speaks about values. Typical idiots (white and black) that responded using the "racist" card. Please read the article again and shut up if you don't understand it. What a bunch of brainwashed plonkers....godfrey, nigel etc. HAVE YOU READ THE ARTICLE? It's about values not race you damn clowns...



len 7/17/2009 9:10:45 AM
crap

Alien Dude 7/17/2009 9:12:33 AM
Fantastic idea.I say ctk , polydonkey and poppie idol should be expelled for being counter revolutionary.

Go ANC 7/17/2009 9:13:17 AM
Looking at Graham's comment (about taking the weather as it's 2 good for the ANC) got me thinking about the lot (paul & Co). This has probably nothing to do with who's governing where. It the same old aryan master race non-sense. I rescind me offer 2 sponser ur Australian emigration, please do teleport urselves to the 1930's nazi germay and the likes

Kingzile 7/17/2009 9:13:31 AM
Western Cape is an embodiment of the remnants of Apartheid, very well developed infrstructure in town, encouraging developments in coloured areas, but totally neglected black areas. Black people are always suspects for crime there. So I really wonder which Western Cpe are you talking about (five days

DebMM 7/17/2009 9:13:34 AM
Wow Paul, you had me in the beginning, Cape is really flourishing at the moment, but send the Xhosa's, Zulus ect (aka blacks)elsewhere and leave the Cape to the whites and coloureds..nice. What about those blacks who voted DA, you would be surprised to know that not ALL black people vote ANC you ignorant twit!

Tshepo 7/17/2009 9:13:40 AM
Dream on guys,just imagine if Mandela had seeked for revange.so ID & DA suppoters u think u r funny nehh.

Lucky Ralawe to Paul 7/17/2009 9:14:01 AM
History says the whites who settled there were also on their way to India. Therefore, your argument that none of the ethnic groups that live there are not from the Western Cape applies to them too. So get back on your boat bloody moron

SimonP 7/17/2009 9:15:14 AM
Paul clearly you are a racist (as defined by the ANC dictionary). You want people to live in a place that is governed by the party they want to be goverened by. LOL

marvel 7/17/2009 9:16:09 AM
@Paul,you are defenseless.
I am just looking forward to see this "DA" fulfilling the needs of BLACK SOCIETY in the next 5 years.Shame,will they be capable of making a Change in western cape.All that i am looking forward is when people like you moving to KHAYELITSHA,PHILIPI,LANGA.In USA its already HAPPENING,its called TENT VILLAGES.

mduve 7/17/2009 9:17:08 AM
@ Paul - you old goat. The apartheid government dividend blacks amongst themselves and now you again wanna divide SA, BULSHT man.

PoleCat 7/17/2009 9:17:18 AM
The comments here sum up exactly what's wrong with this country. The ANC supporters can't accept that their government is incapable of managing anything effectively. Not once in the past 15 years have I ever heard an ANC official say "I'm sorry. I made a mistake". They are incapable of accepting responsibility for their actions.

Jakobus Pienaar to Paul 7/17/2009 9:17:29 AM
What makes you so "sure" that the ANC will accept your ridiculous proposal? If you know your history, you will know that the same proposal was made by some lunies who ended up with Oranjia. Consider joining them. You will be happier there

marvel 7/17/2009 9:19:19 AM
paul 7/17/2009 9:09:54 AM,responding to this,
WHICH VALUES PAUL?
List them please?

mduve 7/17/2009 9:19:49 AM
@ Paul - Do you expect illegal immigrants to cross the border and move all the way to CPT, just use logic old man.

SimonP 7/17/2009 9:20:32 AM
@Kabelo, like it "I haven't even read this piece of Cr@p cause it's not wotrth my response". You are not blinkered are you. You state the article is crap and admit to not even reading it, decision made before thinking, how very ANC. Not worth commenting on so you comment. Ha Ha!

FK 7/17/2009 9:20:42 AM
Why does it seem like everyone is so negative about South Africa? Personally, I love it here. Sure, we have crime and a lots of it, and sure the government isn't the best in the world, but please stop comparing South Africa to the USA, Australia, Canada and all the 1st world countries. I agree that those countries are all better when it comes to safety, work etc. But isn't South Africa better than: China, Taiwan, Indonesia (when last did a bomb explode here??), Fiji, Armenia, Iran, Iraq, Zimbabwe, Madagascar and pretty much all the other African countries. Just look at eastern Europe!! It's definitely not where I want to be!! And Brazil???!!! The whole of South America is full of drug trafficking!

Compare South Africa to those countries, and stop with your pessimistic views!!!

(Oh ya, what about France? All those youths burning cars on Bastille Day? Didn't they have a huge transport strike a year back?)

Phillip 7/17/2009 9:20:57 AM
Please show me 1 country in AFRICA that is a world leader. Pitty that africans (note a do not mention blacks) cannot run a country. They are experts in ruining a country.

Dale 7/17/2009 9:22:03 AM
lol, the ANC would love to own the western cape. They will not ever let it go without a fight.

mduve 7/17/2009 9:23:27 AM
you are ignorant Paul - Its obvious that you travel to certain parts of the province. Pure ignorance.

MarcE 7/17/2009 9:24:06 AM
Nice idea, but what makes u think that we'd let u back in ?

Poloyatonki 7/17/2009 9:24:41 AM
@Paul – ooooooh come on man…. Don’t tell me Good Wood is clean… “F” you man… for you info I know white people who have better views for this province, unlike you. I wonder if your mother calls you her son. That’s problem with growing up in ventersdorp, your brain is dead.

Dewald 7/17/2009 9:25:19 AM
Due you obviously know nothing about political science, governance and sovereignty! Stick to playing with your playstation and level such analyses to those in the know!

Tracy 7/17/2009 9:25:23 AM
good theory / comment

Paul 7/17/2009 9:26:42 AM
TO ALL THE TURKEYS THAT RESPONDED USING THE "RACIST" CARD....PLEASE READ THE ARTICLE AGAIN...THERE IS NO MENTION OF RACE!!!!

Ryan 7/17/2009 9:26:42 AM
The Western Cape is the biggest source of income for the ANC after Gauteng. Besides that South Africa wouldn't be what it is without the Western Cape. Why don't you emigrate to another country instead?

Lucky Ralawe to Paul 7/17/2009 9:27:12 AM
And what about all those couples from mixed races you Hitler?

Justin 7/17/2009 9:27:20 AM
Um, no. We don't want the rest of you here to ruin our nice quiet city.

hjs 7/17/2009 9:27:34 AM
Halfwise

7/17/2009 8:36:24 AM

Balack people are not from the Western Cape, they arrived on foot. :-)

Louis 7/17/2009 9:27:56 AM
Yes, what a brilliant idea. The Western Cape will then be the only part of SA still standing in a few years from now. The rest will go Zimbabwe's way! But obviously the jealous blacks will not like this idea. They want to screw up the whole SA!!!

DavidD 7/17/2009 9:29:02 AM
This is not new idea, in fact many inhabitants of the Western Cape see the Hex River Valley as a barrier against the hordes from the North. Unfortunately Paul, pre 1994, this would have included you and the rest of the inhabitants from Gauteng, regardless of colour!
As for Venom standing by the DA, I doubt whether they would be at all amused with his comments. He would be more at home in the FF.

Careful 7/17/2009 9:29:09 AM
lets see how the DA assist the poor people from the black areas affected by the recent floods. PAUL you such an idiot stop pushing for more divisions within SA just build the country, i feel sorry for your kids, having such a palooka as a role model ( you lack insight) maybe you were bullied at school

Jakobus you are thick 7/17/2009 9:30:01 AM
Oranjia has not got a large population that predominantly voted for DA. You are really thick bru.....as paul says...read the artickle. Are you saying that the people living in WC that voted ANC wouldn't prefer to live in an ANC controlled area?

Jaco 7/17/2009 9:33:28 AM
We've been saying the same things for years. Western Cape just needs to get its own military. Cape Town can become a financial hub like Singapore or Dubai. I'm all for this!!!

padkos 7/17/2009 9:40:06 AM
Paul., I’m white male, from Parow. And when it comes to the time that people like you want WP independence, I will fight you tooth and nail, to stop you.

The DA has finally a chance to change many people minds, who last voted for the ANC, because they did not know whom to vote for. SA is ready for change for better futures, not for a start of war, where nobody will win.

Cliff 7/17/2009 9:42:28 AM
Very interesting point of view indeed.One that has been discussed for a long time by many people.

GARY 7/17/2009 9:43:13 AM
Paul & the like - YOUR IGNORANCE IS ABSOLUTELY ASTOUNDING.

Jon 7/17/2009 9:44:15 AM
It seems SA has a long way has to go. To all my brothers and sisters Black & White. Do unto others as you would have done unto yourself. People MUST forgive each other for what has passed. Both BLACK & WHITES are responsible for crimes against each other and themselves. Stop all this hating as it is ripping our society to shreds. PLEASE. to all those that hate other races, stop, you are only fueling your anger for self destructionand making yourself unhappy. A person who TRIES to be happy with those around him is happy with himself. We all want happiness, but why downgrade others to try make yourself happy? That shows a bitter little man who does not deserve SA. Blacks & Whites included. PEACE & God Bless

malcolm 7/17/2009 9:44:29 AM
There are a lot of people her calling it a ridicualous idea. All you really need to do is look at jabu's comment at /17/2009 8:55:33 AM to see where this is coming from. Do yourselves all a favour and ask yourself is it really worth trying to make it work? If genocide is going through peoples minds then perhaps it is better to call it a day. Jabu, well done mate, you just convinced me that and independant western cape is the way to go. I cannot live with savages, and you are just that.

Cape Town Kid 7/17/2009 9:44:52 AM
But Paul, your article has such a racist element it just shows you how ingrained this practise is, that you fail to recognise that which you perpetuate on a daily basis. Secondly, why must you article be based on a political principle? That is your mistake and yet you cannot see it. What an opportunist!

Juan 7/17/2009 9:50:16 AM
Yes! A system that segregates decent people from people who are genetically predisposed to violence and crime. Oh wait.. we had a system like that before.. and for some reason it was 'bad'.

MRCrabs 7/17/2009 9:51:04 AM
So Sothos and Xhosas must leave the western cape cause they're not from there huh? Wow!!!!

nick 7/17/2009 9:51:14 AM
ha ha ha - what an imagination!

MikeD 7/17/2009 9:53:12 AM
I'm a DA supporter and there are many things that the ANC does that I do not agree with, BUT a separate state??!! We have achieved a lot over the last 15 years, why throw it all away now? What about my zulu and xhosa friends who do not agree with my political standpoint? Can they stay? I think you are seriously misguided. I can only think of disadvantages...

Jon 7/17/2009 9:55:03 AM
The problem with most "Saffers" is that Black & White has been ingrained in them. We now live in the age of technology people where we can see COLOUR. So throw away your old black and white TV and get with the times and adapt to this new idea of colour together. You cannot change someone point of view by thretening them - it further entreches their own ideal. I am definately not going to accept YOUR way of thinking because you shouted at me. F U. tell me in a calm manner what the benifits are and maybe we'll consider it. Lets go get a Beer and talk things over

SimonP 7/17/2009 9:55:13 AM
@Paul 9:26:42, yep the race card has been held up high by the usual suspects that do not know what racism is, they think (rather have been told) it is disagreeing with the ANC. Shame!

Jason 7/17/2009 9:57:05 AM
Relax guys; it is called satire. The point of the article is poor service delivery to all communities as well as the huge ego's of our ANC politicians who seem to be too good to speak to the plebians and answer our concerns. It is the arrogance of the ANC which is turning people off.

Willem 7/17/2009 9:57:31 AM
"none of the main ethnic groups that make up the ANC are from the Western Cape anyway ie Xhosas, Zulus, Sothos or Tswanas" - and us whites are?

I love living in the WC, as part of SA, but independence? Come on! A handful of radicals might agree with you, but the DA with a marginal majority surely isn't foolish enough to even propose this.

@motswanagape 7/17/2009 9:58:03 AM
Did you say "ANC think tank"?! HA HA HA HA HA HA! That is priceless! What is that?

SimonP 7/17/2009 9:59:25 AM
@Paul 9:26:42, yep the race card has been held up high by the usual suspects that do not know what racism is, they think (rather have been told) it is disagreeing with the ANC. Shame!

Shandu 7/17/2009 9:59:44 AM
Coloured-Hey buddy you have no choice but be hospitable as coloureds,you are just like whiteys,both imigrants in SA.I'm still struggling to understand why WC coloureds think they are 1st class citezens of that province than african,really why? can anyone tell me?

Paul-YOU MUST LEARN TO KEEP QUIET WHEN YOU GOT NOTHING TO SAY,AT LEAST YOUR A**HOLE SHUTS AUTOMATICALLY,I WONDER YOU'LL BLAME AFTER SPEWING ALL THIS RUBBISH FOR NOT SHUTTING YOU DOWN.

Sinudeity 7/17/2009 9:59:51 AM
DA vs ANC. The DA is building 12,000 new RDP homes, and created 8,000 new Jobs. The ANC, spent more than R2,300,000 on two new Merc's for communication minister Siphiwe. Which party do you want? The one that delivers, or the one that spends our money on its own politicians?

Sean 7/17/2009 10:00:23 AM
Hehehe - why are people so upset with this article? People should feel free to live where they want to live and be governed by people they are happy to govern them. Why do some people want to force others to their way of thinking? If you hate the DA so much that you cannot stand being governed by them, move. If you hate the ANC so much you cannot stand being governed by them, move. Its a free world. QED!

aiden 7/17/2009 10:00:55 AM
After building the wall, we could use the navy (or harpoon fitted fishing boats) to protect the seaside border from stubborn surfers trying to breach. Signal hill canon could serve to protect our town council which would be located in Jan's unused castle. We will safeguard our boland wines and use this to bring them all to their knees.

Patriot @ FK 7/17/2009 10:01:58 AM
its not that we compare ourselves to other Countries, we all love SA, but WISH it could be governed to its true Potential

Nyomntwana 7/17/2009 10:02:19 AM
Paul- agreed mate lets take all those that do not belong to the western cape load them in a ship or boat and transport them back to wherever the hell they came from. First destination will most likely be Europe Jan Van Riebeeck and his fellow oppresors came from. I think u are such a norrow minded prick who does not belong to live in South Africa. While we are busyt trying to build a rainbow nation narrow mided people like u are busy trying to divide this lovely country many have fought for. Hambokunya sathana.

deutsche_bob 7/17/2009 10:02:31 AM
What a load of rubbish paul. Your arguement is fallible and intrinsicly contradictive. It is through functional democracy that the DA has won the cape and been able to introduce their successful policies.Your opinion is undemocratic in that you would effectively be creating a political monopolist in the cape, as in the other provinces effectively eradicating democracy in SA. And you want to tell me that western capers have a different culture and value system to the rest of SA?? wake up bru, your sense of perception is drunk! You confuse clean streets with a different culture, now that is truly racist in the true sense of prejudicely judging intrinsic values of a person/ people from outer appearances. jeez man, get a life. DA_Supporter hoping the DA will take PE and Durbs metropoles in the next few years...democratically!

fern 7/17/2009 10:02:48 AM
pathetic thought. this will never happen. you're just another dutchman trying to create divisions.

mduve 7/17/2009 10:02:53 AM
@ Paul - then what happens when ANC or any other party for that matter wins elcetion in ur so called province - R u going to move oRania now and make it another country . Your article is really annoying broer.

Wisdom @ Cape Town Kid 7/17/2009 10:03:38 AM
Racist this and racist that. Common I am sure you have some potential to comment something constructive.

Johan 7/17/2009 10:04:32 AM
The biggest amount of shite ever published on news24!!get a life or move to perthtoria!And yes,i am white,afrikaans,support the DA and from pretoria BUT PROUDLY SOUTH AFRICAN!

Adrian 7/17/2009 10:04:37 AM
Here we go again, the racist people like cape town kid has spoken,Paul your article has an element of racism in it, shame on you. Watch how the rest of the racists jump on the racist bandwagon, fucken bastards

class of 2006 7/17/2009 10:04:41 AM
@Cape Town Kid, Lady get a life, You are the most uninformed Racist on the Sight

ims 7/17/2009 10:05:59 AM
well well, definitely opened a can of worms, and for the likes of the ignorant people liek kabelo, tokollo and anon, hell, you definitely cannot say the DA do not know what they doing if this province is thriving! Anon, you don't have to vote for da / id etc but if you live here you at least can be a proud citizen! WC is the most stunning province so do not critisize!! The DA will help those affected by the recent floods, but the problem is will they accept the help??? move 100 into a new area and 10000 take their place - go figure???

godfrey 7/17/2009 10:06:30 AM
@ PAUL. Read your own article, starting where it says...'It must also be remembered that none of the main ethnic groups...'

kickerk 7/17/2009 10:07:35 AM
I read the heading and nothing further. Why don't we make little countries for everybody. A country for people with green eyes, one for people with one leg, a country for drinkers, etc. There's a saying that goes, "if you don't have anything better to do Paul, don't do it here" Who in his right mind at News24 would publish rubbish like this? Is that what News24 think of it's readers? I'm disgusted and shocked. I say boycot News24 for thinking that we would even find garbage like this interesting reading. Shame on you News24, shame on you.

To careful 7/17/2009 10:08:49 AM
You are such an idiot!! Paul is not calling for divisions but rather unity of people who embrace the same values (black, white and coloured). Which part of the article did you not understand. There are blacks that voted for the DA and are happy with the DAs governance....these people would typically enjoy living in a DA independant country. Looks like so many of you misunderstood paul's article. I think it's a great idea....Rob.

fern 7/17/2009 10:09:51 AM
I agree with padkos - as a white citizen i will fight till the end against this. you should be strung up.

Tsotsi 7/17/2009 10:10:41 AM
Everyone is flocking from Zimbabwe to South Africa already. You want to start a mass exodus to the Western Cape now?

Goduka 7/17/2009 10:12:44 AM
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha - this does not even make me angry. Why don't you just say that your and your white people must just leave Africa alone and go back to wherever your ancestors came from? because in essence is what you want. So just do it mate nothing's stopping you. but I know a lot of good whites who think people like you need serious therapy - you're just putting an unnecessary mistrust and you are poison. so leave the good ppl alone&leave with your troops to Dutchland or something. you must be a great comedian. p.s. tomorrow's Mandela Day - can you smell the defeat...your hatred will never win against love. give up&go.

WILDFIRE 7/17/2009 10:14:49 AM
Great idea. The ANC can rule the rest - fine by me. And all ANC supporters can go live in the ANC state - what more do you want ? All DA supporters and normal people - regardless of colour of course , who aspire to a good , orderly , peaceful way of living is welcome to stay in the Western Cape. And that does NOT include ANC supporters!They would be welcome to come for holidays only ! Oh , wishful thinking ....

Thobeka 7/17/2009 10:17:43 AM
Paul where do you come from to tell us what to do in our Country if you do not know the western cape is part of this country and we the Xhosa's who are born in this Western Cape are going no where no matter who is governing the province. If you want to immigrate do so do not tell us what to do we will stay wherever we want to stay in this country of ours. WE FOUGHT FOR THIS COUNTRY SO WE HAVE A RIGHT TO STAY WHEREVER WE WANT TO. There is only want thing that I can say about you are are a racist you don't belong here.

Blood_Doll 7/17/2009 10:17:50 AM
I agree completely. We, the Western Cape, wouldn't even have to completely succeed. We could also be an independent state within a federal republic, much like the United States. We could devise our own laws according to the mandate of the people of the state; not the country. The Western Cape would then, for all intense and purpose be semi-autonomous. The powers that be would still be able to rape with with their taxes; but at least we'll be living under our laws, ie, the death penalty. And for all the ANC lapdogs on here, if you think this idea to be racist, well, I'm coloured, from the Cape Flats and can assure you there are many here who would agree with the idea. But I suppose we are all racists when going against anything to do with the ANC. Bring it on, I say.

SimonP 7/17/2009 10:19:11 AM
@CTK, you insist on using "opportunist" as some kind of insult. Please explain. While you are at it can you explain the racist elements in the letter, please dont confuse racism with party political support.

Charles 7/17/2009 10:19:21 AM
Great idea but a short-term solution. In a couple of years when the ANC (Virus) have multiplied and multiplied and consumed every natural resource the only way that they will be able to survive is to spread to another area, which will then be the WC.
If you really feel the way you do rather immigrate to a country that in the long run you are firstly in the majority group and secondly you feel comfortable with there rules and moral standings.

Neverending 7/17/2009 10:19:56 AM
Yip,looking at all the comments all I can say is that racism is alive and kicking in SA. Unfortunately it will always be because of the mindset of our citizens, still after 15 years, becuase it easier to blame people than to get off your butt and do something constructive - but no, handouts are expected all the time. The only difference is that it's now reversed Apartheid with a far more corrupt and uneducated governement. Pretty simple, just look how this country went backwards in just 15 years. I'm afraid, eventually also the WC will be stuffed up by the ruling party.

Mark 7/17/2009 10:20:53 AM
Why am I not surprised at the vitriolic comments aimed at Paul, who is now branded as a racist? NOWHERE in his article was race mentioned - his theme was about good governance and nothing else. The ANC's main current policy is the alleviation of the plight of the poor and service delivery and yet our new minister of communications has just bought two new luxury cars. It is this sort of inapproriate expenditure, so typical of bad stereotyped African governance, that holds this wonderful country back. Good governance is the priority - something the ANC seems incapable of achieving.

Buckwheat 7/17/2009 10:21:21 AM
The Cape party was basically all about the WC seceding this last election. Sure, they didn't get too many votes, but they are new and young. I think an independent WC is the way to go - and all we have to here in the WC is have a referendum about it. What's the harm?

DPH 7/17/2009 10:21:54 AM
Great idea Paul! Then they can colonise KZN and we can also start enjoying the benefits of good governance!

WP 7/17/2009 10:22:44 AM
Jabu, I am so scared! Typcal Malema clatter!

reznor 7/17/2009 10:24:47 AM
Paul, seriously - you are a retart...was this ALL your own clever idea, cos if not...the ones that helped you write this are also retards!!! For goodness sakes - did u actually go around western cape, or just in rondebosch!!! Seriously - I dont want to call you a retard again - but sh*t man, open your eyes!

WC Supporter 7/17/2009 10:25:19 AM
Yeah, it should be a seperate state. All are welcome excpet corrupt officals...

morena 7/17/2009 10:25:58 AM
@malcolm i fully agree with jabu the ANC was very soft with the natz

damon 7/17/2009 10:26:02 AM
Black people and white people are so stained by their past that every interpretation leads back to racism. I hate the South African mentality

Andrew 7/17/2009 10:27:39 AM
hahahahahaha, I warned you Paul, it simply HAD to happen that racism would be bought into the equation, absolutely stunning!! I can only wonder whether people are able to read an article without labelling "color" to it. I know plenty black South africans that voted DA because they are SICK AND TIRED of empty promises !! it's been 15 years people, What has REALLY changed?? very little!! Wait, no, one thing that has changed, is that racism\apartheid\ALL white people are tagged with the same brush! Oh no, that hasn't changed either!! I need my "vomit bucket"

Sinudeity @Cape Town Kid 7/17/2009 10:28:17 AM
I see you have been taught a new word : "Opportunist".

Q 7/17/2009 10:30:05 AM
@Halfwise AND CTK. Here's a very basic lesson on human evolution. Firstly, like the white man arrived back in sub-Saharan Africa by boat, the black man arrived back by foot from North Africa. Why do I say "BACK" in sub-Saharan Africa, well simply because of the Cradle of Civilization which is located none other in the sub-Saharan Africa (South Africa, Mozambique, Zim, Namibia, etc). According to scientists all modern day humans originate from this region. So we really just came home.

Mike F 7/17/2009 10:30:24 AM
"One must also remember that none of the main ethnic groups that make up the ANC are from the Western Cape anyway ie Xhosas, Zulus, Sothos or Tswanas". Paul, just explain this quote from your article, please. And please explain which ethnic groups are from the Western Cape. The problem with people like Paul is that their racist attitudes are so deeply entrenched/pickled that they can't even recognise their racism. Orania would be a more suitable home for you Paul. It is squeaky clean, lily white, no culture, no diversity, no vibrance. Cape Town doesn't need your types. Tsamaya!!!!!!Skoert!!!!!!

crass 7/17/2009 10:32:40 AM
I was actually thinking about the same thing myself. An independent Western Cape.
Not focussing on racial lines, but focussing on having a government that actually works for the people, and gets things done.

aka aka @ AJ 7/17/2009 10:33:35 AM
"black people in SA are settlers from Central Africa" How can an African be a settler in Africa. Remember there were no borders in Africa before your ancestors came here. An African from North, Central or South of Africa is a Son/Daughter of this soil and can not be labelled a settler. You are right about the European part though.

jabu@malcolm 7/17/2009 10:34:42 AM
I am not advocating war or genocide but simply saying that those who promote secession underestimate the anger and the need for retaliation should such a situation occur. Another point is alot of older black people still feel the pain and humiliation of living under apartheid, any move to divide this land would be seen as a declaration of war and don't forget this older black people have access to weapons and nuclear technology(thank you apartheid government) and I strongly believe they will not hestitate to use it in defence of an inch of South African land. By the way it is safe to say white europeans have slaughtered at least a quater of a billion people in the last 1000 years i.e. hitler, napoleon, horishima, WW1 & 2, etc. So who are the real savages. regards JABU

Wisdom @ Q 7/17/2009 10:35:21 AM
These poor buggers don't have any constructive things to write that is why they hammer on that uneducated information.

Peter 7/17/2009 10:36:43 AM
not rassist, just down right stupid.

spectator 7/17/2009 10:37:50 AM
good idea...but if that happens u will soon have the rest of south africa migrating to the wc and only the corrupt gov officials left in sa to fend for themselves...soon u will have them crying its the fault of apartheid again...etc etc...

SB 7/17/2009 10:37:51 AM
Well, i can deal with a lot of things, like dirty streets and poor service, but what I cant stand is the crime rate in this country. The number of innocent people that die on a daily basis in this country is disgusting. I wish the ANC would get their act together soon and control the crime here, as i am going insane. I love South Africa, and would hate to leave, but if the crime rate doesnt get better soon - im going to have to. What a shame for our beautiful country!

Ines 7/17/2009 10:38:00 AM
That's apartheid all over again, seperating the people of SA not only in terms of race.

And to visit my family I will need to show my passport? This is the most ridiculous idea I've heard in ages.

DA hasn't even been governing the province that long to make a huge difference - you're probably referring to CT which is a beautiful city but so are others. Just let the DA prove itself and then maybe other provinces will see what they're missing out on if that is the case.

To Mike F 7/17/2009 10:39:09 AM
Perhaps you can explain which ethnic groups are from the Western Cape considering there were no borders before the settlers got here. You also need to remember that there's no difference between finding a piece of land by boat as opposed to finding a piece of land by foot. African tribes were confined in groups to specific areas where the settlers found them. They were not spread out accross the country at that stage. I think you should piss off to where you came from (if you even know where it really is). I haven't seen an African history book yet detailing where the different tribes have been located.

BMW 7/17/2009 10:39:42 AM
But where will minister Nyanda drive his second BMW then?

united south africa 7/17/2009 10:39:44 AM
To anyone who argues that this article isn't racist - you are wrong.

"One must also remember that none of the main ethnic groups that make up the ANC are from the Western Cape anyway ie Xhosas, Zulus, Sothos or Tswanas."

ie: black people.

So Paul wants an independent country in the Western Cape presumably with controlled borders and a passport (dompas) to decide who can and can't reside there. Does this sound familiar to anyone? It's the Group Areas Act all over again. Please stop this drivel, Paul - you are giving South Africans a bad name.

Frank 7/17/2009 10:40:31 AM
Isn`t this a better way than emigration of SA citizens? Lets kep their skills and exprience in SA for goodness sake! Cool

Get Real 7/17/2009 10:40:49 AM
You should really find better things to dream up than this. As time goes by, more and more I realize that the Mbheki gov was the corrupt system that is now being flushed out. I can now understand why he and his cronies was removed and new hope came with Pres. Zuma. At the end of the day if it is doen for one province the others will have to follow to a point where we will have 9 new African countries, so your reasoning is not logic. Give time, the country will improve. The people is fed-up and they are showing it.

Us and them syndrome 7/17/2009 10:41:52 AM
It amazing how stupid are most of the comments here. everyone trying to justify their stupidity. The Western Cape is not Cape Town as most stupid South Africans think, if anyone wants to destroy the little we have in the Western Cape just go ahead and perpertuate the independence idea. Most caucasians are not stable people they are wandereres of the world looking for something better which they cannot fine, do you remember imperialism, and now globalisation. When you know little about the next person you are bound to create perceptions. This call for independence is nothing different from tribalism, only that it is now based on colour or way of life. It tells us that the writer and his supporters are actually not unique but on ly showing their fear for the other part of SA just as the Germans and the French always antagonised one another. Its all fear, fortunately most African people in SA are not so muuch afraid of the other but the other is so afraid they just simply run for their lives. It also all about the haves and the have nots, the haves are afraid of the have nots and the have nots will always run after the haves wherever u go Boet. Just be good in the best possible way you can be u will be forever happy.

Klbe 7/17/2009 10:42:04 AM
Paul, I know a country that's already like Cape Town - Australia. Why don't you and you ilk migrate there? People are busy fighting for united South Africa and we get people like you who'll forever be fighting for apartheid to be brought back. I hope this is a redherring article otherwise if you can't afford Australia try Orania i'm sure you'll fit in...

Retelapudi 7/17/2009 10:42:16 AM
Paul, we acknowledge the fact that freedom of speech prevails in S.A but we can not tolarate morons like you wasting the efforts made by greate leaders like Madiba go down the drain as you propose. Man, I don't where you grew up from but probably from Ventersdorp. Wake wena mmaosebono and stop talking nonsense. Mosima.

Raine 7/17/2009 10:43:24 AM
I am a Capetonian - born and bred. I absolutely love my city and province but I see myself as a proud SOUTH AFRICAN! It's these stupid articles that fuels the 'anti' Cape Town attitude most northerners have, which makes them think all Capetonians have a better than thou attitude.

Senseless 7/17/2009 10:44:31 AM
@Jabu - One can only pity you...your own leaders are a disgrace, but you and millions of others still cannot see this.

Juan @ author 7/17/2009 10:45:11 AM
You talk about different value systems. In some cultures, murder and rape aren't really seen as bad things. Unfortunately our government wants us to respect each other's cultures but what if my culture detests muder, violent crime and rape?

African 7/17/2009 10:46:20 AM
Paul you are spot on but remember Gauteng alone contributes 38% of country's wealth good luck if you succeed

Chris 7/17/2009 10:46:22 AM
There's an easy way to show your support for this idea - visit http://www.capeparty.com/ - they've got my vote!

tshepo 7/17/2009 10:46:32 AM
this article is so rubbish....

Jean-Michel Gaud 7/17/2009 10:46:38 AM
Ey, ey, ey! I grew have grown up in the Western Cape and am currently living in Grahamstown in the Eastern Cape. The Eastern Cape is so poorly governed, all the water that comes out the taps tastes like dead cattle has been bathing in it for some time. Dont even get me started about the electricity. Service-delivery is shocking. The Western Cape is extemely well governed. The system just works and it works well! It is however unconstitutional to divide land within South Africa. I would however want to live in the Republic of the Western Cape as it would probably be the most amazing country on Earth.

Guy 7/17/2009 10:50:20 AM
The reason why the Western Cape Works, is because there are no BLACKS in charge, no WHITES in charge, no COULERDS in charge, but people who CAN DO the job. That is the only reason.

Sinudeity @ANC SUPPORTERS 7/17/2009 10:51:08 AM
WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE?! The new minister in charge of Telcoms is WASTING OUR MONEY! Will he make internet costs cheaper?! WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE?! R2.4 million, poof, spent on ONE MAN. Compared to 12 families, that could have had a house. WHERE IS YOUR OUTRAGE?!

nosuchthingaswhiteafrican 7/17/2009 10:51:10 AM
it really is sickening to see settlers making demands.Time to bring PAC into power..then anything with pink skin will regret the day they set foot on our beloved Azania

Anelle 7/17/2009 10:51:41 AM
Good idea

skumba fire 7/17/2009 10:52:41 AM
@paul-you damn racist. What shit idea is that. And who the hell told you that there are no Zulus,xhosas, Tswanas or Sotho people in Western Cape? have you done a census prick?

@Paul and everyone else 7/17/2009 10:52:45 AM
I only have one question for you all. Is it just about black and white in SA? Do I and my ethnic group also get a say? Or will we never count? I personally voted for the DA and reside in CT. I voted for them not because they are "white" but because they have the more competent people. For me it's all about who can be the best leader for us all. I often wonder what credentials one must have to be the president, by the looks of things, you don't have to any. As a coloured female I'm so sick of all this black and white business, guess what we were just so disadvantage but at the end of the day, hard work never hurt anyone. If we want to get somewhere in life then work for it. As for WC being a country on its own, that would've have been nice but guess what, the one cannot exist without the other. It's a pity our country isn't captained by a true leader for we have the potential to be one of the greatest.

PAR 7/17/2009 10:53:42 AM
BEST IDEA - HOWEVER, THE CAPE MAY JUST END UP OVERPOPULATED

thabo 7/17/2009 10:54:08 AM
umm dude you're such a liar and close minded idiot. I dont care who you are or what race but the WC is surely one of the worst provinces when it comes to wealth division in South Africa. You drive down from the Airport in Cape Town and see how our people are living before you arrive in Rondebosch? Have you ever been to Mowbray? Have you even set foot in WoodStock? my black ass is cleaner than those streets. What a blatant lie. You should be ashamed of yourself. I wona punch you in the face so hard right now. People like you dont deserve a keyboard and a mouse, let alone the internet.

Moeketsi 7/17/2009 10:54:23 AM
I think it's a good idea...why not. I voted DA and would be happy to live in a country where the party I voted for has full say in matters vs being dictated to by leaders who's principles I don't agree with. From my perspective I can't understand how anybody can choose Zuma and his cronies as a leader. It's a joke being myself black or not. Time for a change....give Africa a functional country.

Peekay 7/17/2009 10:54:33 AM
On Paper and in dreams it would be fantastic! But in reality it would not be able work, I don't think the WC has a big enough economy to stand on its own, we all know Gauteng is the financial powerhouse province and I think the WC would battle if it were to go on it's own, it would disrupt business too much. I do agree with Sinudeity and Venom, the ANC is not going to have this country for too much longer, they have turned SA into a circus, only ever having one president that could actually do anything for SA, TM & JZ have just been outright jokes, in EVERY aspect of the word, what with the ignorance on aids, the quiet diplomacy, the corruption, the "rape" an absolute joke. Saying that, if the WC were to get their independance I think you would see a huge amount of people move to the WC, and who knows with so many people moving there maybe the economy would be able to sustain itself as I'm sure many business's would be bought down with the business owners.

Mpahtjie 7/17/2009 10:55:02 AM
The City of Cape Town, whilst an integral part of the Western Cape, is not the Western Cape on its own. The WC is bigger than Cape Town. Maybe you should have travelled to other areas of the province before you make your blanket statements.

Nic 7/17/2009 10:56:10 AM
I would love it. being seperate from the anc would be a dream.

Dion 7/17/2009 10:58:04 AM
@ Kabelo - You are obviously too thick headed to know anything about politics...you should join the ANC

Djofs 7/17/2009 11:01:27 AM
Very interristing to note how many comments misses the real point the article is about - GOOD COVERNANCE. It is very clear The ANC don't know what this means. So al you "black" and "white" rasists please get a live and help building this country !!!!

Andre 7/17/2009 11:01:31 AM
Well said Paul! We can call it the “Fist World SA”. It’ll be the highest skilled country in the world once all the ex-pats return. Doctors, engineers, IT specialists etc. And they will return! There is one problem though. When the “ANC SA” goes belly up (as with Zimbabwe), they’ll come flooding into the “First Wold SA”. Because it will be a save place, with a thriving economy. And with them they’ll bring their crime and corruption.

Mzi 7/17/2009 11:02:17 AM
Bongani, "Did you go to Goodwood, Bellville, Tygerberg, and many other western Cape areas."

Are you absolutely retarded mfana? those are areas inside Cape Town, check your facts before you spew hogwash, you embarassment

Peru Govender 7/17/2009 11:02:33 AM
Once again we get individuals that have "Blinker" vision and see only what can benefit them . CT is CT because SA ( ANC Government ) helped build the city infrastructure when they made the bid for the Olympics - We used SA tax money - not Cape Town's tax money- Use other peoples wealth and ideas - propogate an idividual vision and Dumb DA and ID supports fall for it . Cape Town alone will never prosper because it has a limited potential to generate it's own wealth . Look at the financial stats - its speaks for it'self- The author and the followers need a reality check and must be told that beyond your personal comfort zone we have other challenges . SICK really SICK - however SA with the ANC vision will prosper -

To tshepo 7/17/2009 11:03:38 AM
Tshepo, you are so rubbish.....can't see why you'd have a problem with this.
Are you scared of a country that's run properly on the doorstep of a RSA that's a balls up? Are you scared to have the ANC shown up and to wake up to the reality that you've been voting for a bunch of incompetant power hungry clowns. What are you scared of? You'd never have to use the word racist as an excuse for anything anymore...think about it. This proposal will suite you perfectly.

Mzi 7/17/2009 11:04:12 AM
justin, you are a moegoe, shut up and stop being so defensiv. you caused enough crimes already.

Q 7/17/2009 11:04:25 AM
@Cape Town Kid - You seriously need to get a dictionary and study the meaning of racist. At no point does the author degrade or insult any ethnic group. This is a suggestion of a split along ideological lines. The ANC is a political party which has members from all of the ethnic and cultural groups in South Africa, as do the other political parties. If you so wish to choose to read black where ever you read ANC, or white every time you read DA, then I suggest you need to take a long and hard look at yourself.

neles 7/17/2009 11:04:59 AM
lol, Paul forget Cape Town just take Free State hahaha

MyselfL 7/17/2009 11:05:16 AM
Paul, paul paul, man you forgot there is a country in SA called Orania. That's where people like yourself stay, they also have their own currency and I believe there are visible police cause there are no criminals. Don't you think it's time to make a move and joing your fellow racists.As for western Cape it always be the ninth province in SA.If you can't move to Orania then I suggest you move to Australia.But bear in mind that even in there the bonafide citizens(Aborigins)are getting their rights back. So I don't know where you'll run to from there. Get a life Paul, Africa for the Africans.

Sinudeity @thabo 7/17/2009 11:06:29 AM
Thabo, its like that EVERYWHERE in South Africa. Take a trip to the Eastern Cape, if you REALLY want a good example, and go look at the Townships there, and, the poverty people live in. 40% unemployment. Did I mention, the DA created 8,000 new jobs?

Liraliwele 7/17/2009 11:06:35 AM
Why waste time with this crap!?

Random 7/17/2009 11:07:14 AM
OK, LETS ALL UNDERSTAND. THE ARTICLE IS ABOUT VALUES, NOT RACE. NOT SO DIFFICULT TO UNDERSTAND. I love the WC but I disagree with Paul.

Phisto 7/17/2009 11:09:13 AM
Hey you idiot, you have just exposed urself with this article. This shows how narrow minded ur and stupid.

Sinudeity @Peru Govender 7/17/2009 11:09:37 AM
"SA with the ANC vision will prosper" - its just a pity, that the ANC is full of corrupt scumbags.

Riaan 7/17/2009 11:09:59 AM
Excellent suggestion man. In fact this is a basic fundamental right in our constitution - the right to self determination. This is going to happen, wether the ANC wants it or not.

alfaspa 7/17/2009 11:10:09 AM
to all those whose first response is to shout 'Racist!'... you are right in that the article comes across as racist but upon careful reading and consideration it is actually a plea for improving living conditions in this beautiful country of ours. the thing is most everyone i know of would like to live in cape town and having been there many times on business and on holiday i can agree. it's not just the laidback lifestyle (to be hoonest i prefer the pace of joburg) or the cultural diversity (barring the multitude of german tourists! *that is a joke btw*). i have just last month been abroad to 5 american cities and london on an eye-opening trip and all i can say is that there, things work, police police, people aren't afraid (no wait, i lie, i saw several ppl in london and san fran wearing anti-flu masks). fact is the closest i have ever gotten to seeing the same thing in sa IS cape town and PE!

Myself 7/17/2009 11:12:44 AM
Andrew don't you think that 15 years is nothing compared to 100 years of apartheid where you and your folks enjoyed the fruit of this land while the owners of the land were treated like slave in our own country. It's still too early for you to cry.If you can't swallow it then take the next flight to Australia

Ladnar 7/17/2009 11:13:32 AM
I think you spent most of your time in your hotel room. You did not see the poverty in teh townships, the flooding of the Cape Flats, the masses of people looking for jobs etc. The Western Cape has only been in DA control a few months, so what you see there are the fuits of the people governing before the DA. The DA only governed Cape Town and there things are quite as pleasant as the plush hotels and tourist areas. Even after the elections (15 years on), only 51% of the people in the Western Cape support the DA. You have an extremely norrow minded aproach to life and politics (you should not be doing either of the two). You should think of going to Orania, a farm who still seeks government funding to meet ends...

Adrian 7/17/2009 11:15:39 AM
@Sinudeity-thats 8000 more jobs than the ANC have created

Martin 7/17/2009 11:18:52 AM
Johannesburg is actually a better run city. Public services are great. Metro Police are everywhere. I just moved to Cape Town and the service is bad, don't see any police anywhere, massive drug problems, massive gang culture, terrible infrastructure, nobody cares at the Dept of Home Affairs, too windy, people can't drive, pathethic little town.

Nic M 7/17/2009 11:23:23 AM
I do'nt like the weatern province for variuos reasons and for years I have been saying they should get independance from SA, they must go live in their own country, they are differnt from the rest of us and are not very welcoming to visitors from inland, even the baboons through stones at cars south bound.

YahooSerious 7/17/2009 11:26:22 AM
It is sad to read a piece like this. We all long for a clean, safe and beautiful place that we can call home, with a sense of pride and patriotism. Paul, you seem to exude these exact sentiments about the WC. Instead of isolating this "Utopia", would you not wish the same for rest of your South African "family". How wonderful if all provinces were like the WC. I will probably be chastised for this, but it a realistic observation that something different is being done in the governing of the WC. Can it be hard work, honesty and dedication of those office bearers? I think that they should hold workshops in other provinces to "enlighten" those in the dark! Have a great weekend! (To any adverse repsonses - may you shite yourself this weekend!) Ta-ta!

Sinudeity @Myself 7/17/2009 11:29:03 AM
Apartheid was implemented in 1948. Not 1909, like your comment says. Check your facts please, you have the internet, and a world of information, at your fingertips. There is no need for you to make up your own facts as you go along.

James 7/17/2009 11:30:00 AM
I don't think the WC should become independant; but it should definitely be the jump-off point for the retaking of the country from the current idiots who are running it's economy into the ground and leaving the borders open to the rest of Africa!

terence 7/17/2009 11:30:07 AM
great idea, good article, silly comments about race from black south africans though. It is simply a way of life for certain south africans ost of them white some of them black that want this to happen that is all. The anc has a chance to finally bring peace making the WC an indepenadant state run by the DA if you will... any black south african who seeks that way of life is more than welcome to move to the WC but i dont see any race issues here at all... what is wrong with this... since when is it a crime or taboo to live along same minded people... dont you know we are making the country more unstable by foring people to live along side other groups that do not share the same way of life.... let people black and white who share the same values live side by side and let all the rest who shae anc leftist communist style values live side by side... really what is the big deal????

Andrew 7/17/2009 11:30:41 AM
"I'm sure that the ANC would welcome such a move as it would give them an opportunity to build a country of their own where people of similar values live." ie turn the rest of SA into one big homeland? Sure Verwoerd would be proud...

Racist? 7/17/2009 11:31:04 AM
Everyone/Anyone. Can any of you who have called the letter racist please point out to me where it is racist.

To myself 7/17/2009 11:31:21 AM
You talk about 100 years of apartheid (nothing new) but remember, there was no democracy under a tribal system either. Did you vote for your chiefs? Don't think so...wasn't it the son of the current chief that would become the next chief? Perhaps you can show us the elections that transpired (and who won them) for your people before apartheid from your rich history as people....I have yet to see an African history book!!!

TerenceD 7/17/2009 11:32:08 AM
PAUL FOR PRESIDENT.
ignore all criticism paul, your message has been clear and polite. If anyone sees "evil ninjas" in your very humble proposition, then it is they who are "evil ninjas"

BB 7/17/2009 11:33:03 AM
K@K idee, sit! Or move to Orania!

Lucky Ralawe to Random and Paulshit 7/17/2009 11:35:24 AM
Can't you read your own writing moron? You say this has nothing to do with race, yet you used the word "ethnic"?

Matthew 7/17/2009 11:35:27 AM
What a dumb idea. Why dont you go live in another country because you obviously think the rest of Sa is'nt good enough.

Sinudeity @Khayelitsha 7/17/2009 11:35:52 AM
What the DA has/is planning for Khayelitsha: The DA will allocate R10million, as grants to pensioners and disabled folks. The DA is planning building 36,000 RDP homes. 12,000 to be constructed, which started December 2008. TWO new train stations have been opened in Khayelitsha. And on top of that, FOUR community centres have been constructed: The Peace Park Community building, The Ncomu Road Community building, The Ncomu Road Urban Park, The Kwamfundo School Sports Complex. Dont tell me the DA is doing NOTHING for the townships. You should stop believing the local ANC councellors. They only spew lies and propaganda.

Wim 7/17/2009 11:36:24 AM
The name is Paul...puppaul

Bizon 7/17/2009 11:36:55 AM
I live in WC, and what you saying is absolute nonsense! Where do such delusional idiots like you come from, leave the country for the UK, fool!!!

simon 7/17/2009 11:37:31 AM
Mike F and others: Did you ever go to school?
The only group that can claim historical attachment to the W Cape is the San.
Everybody else is an "immigrant". Incidentally, the same applies to other parts of the country..
It is an excellent idea, but the ANC would be even more put to shame than now!

Calvin 7/17/2009 11:40:28 AM
The idea is not to cede , but for all provinces to develope capacity. When more than 45000 people leave the Eastern Cape for the Western Cape each to set up shacks, then the ANC should take stock.If not then like Zanu PF did in Zimbabwe, the ANC is going to run the RSA in a ditch.In the North West & Mpumalanga the wheels are starting to come off. Maybe thats why many resent the realtively efficient WC.

Lethu 7/17/2009 11:41:07 AM
Howzit Paul, you need to keep in mind that the Western Province does not consist only of Cape Town. Your ideology makes sense only with a certain level of ignorance applied.
Let us not forget the fact that much of what makes "Cape Town", is it's rich history of political mobilization, not forgetting the big role played by the ANC at it.
Your ideas hint also that you might not have seen places like Langa and Gugulethu and actually heard how the people from there feel about ur idea.

JaMAN 7/17/2009 11:41:16 AM
http://www.success-and-culture.net/articles/underdeveloped.shtml

Have a Read ...

Jono 7/17/2009 11:41:20 AM
Just think what a crap rugby team that would be, if the current WP team is anything to go by. No thanks!

WILDFIRE@Martin 7/17/2009 11:44:08 AM
Get the F out of here.

Chris @Q 7/17/2009 11:47:03 AM
Umm... that's current THEORY - but it is ONLY theory. Have you been following the news recently about the archaeological finds in China; pointing to the possibility of our origins actually being in Asia? Makes a lot of sense when you think about it.

Black 7/17/2009 11:47:21 AM
People like Paul dont belong in South Africa because they are constantly thinking of how they can bring back apartheid.Guys it is time you accept that Apartheid is dead or you relocate to Australia or Germany.

Richard 7/17/2009 11:47:46 AM
To a point, i have to agree with Paul. I don't think this will be for the greater good, but it will certainly create a place where people with a bit of brain power that can think for themselves can live. Look at all the people that the ANC makes these promises to of food and housing, yet drive around in million rand cars. You cant justify their mentality...

So here is one to Paul, great article!

Rafikiza 7/17/2009 11:47:48 AM
Clearly, the green tobacco has kicked in! Brave idea, though...

shaun 7/17/2009 11:48:06 AM
hahahahahahahahahah, what a load of crap, seriously dude, do you sell the drugs that youre using, i would also like to live in lala land for a while

BB 7/17/2009 11:52:01 AM
Do you know what the abbreviation WC stands for?

Sinudeity @Black 7/17/2009 11:53:11 AM
BEE/AA is apartheid Mr. Black. Apartheid, is classifying races into different groups. BEE/AA segregates, and discriminates against people, based on which 'racial group' they belong to. YOU are living in apartheid as we speak. BEFORE you comment, and call me a racist... Think about it...

Gerald 7/17/2009 11:55:30 AM
Hey Paul, good article for some Friday entertainment... You should have just signed off your article with one of those African "cow and goat herding" names Bongani = Happy, Tshepo = Precious... :) that would have thrown the cat between the pigeons. For all the paper work needed and bribe money for the ANC, Paul i think it would just be easier to move to Perth. Enjoy the replies :)

Cynical 7/17/2009 11:57:39 AM
Paul For President of The Western Cape

What a GREAT article! I agree, let's have an independent WC and let's reintroduce a passbook system to keep out all the you-know-who's. Hands up all those who agree!

Wally 7/17/2009 12:01:25 PM
Why dont you take a 10km drive OUTSIDE Cape Town CBD to the suburbs and Cape Flats. Here you will see the ugly reality of CPT. People of colour is living in poverty in this beautiful city. Roads in places like Langa, Kaya, Grassy Park, Manenberg is in the same state as what they have been for the last 30 years. Improvements are done only in or near the city centre while the rest of the province battles with service delivery. I was born and bred in CPT living in JHB now and have first hand experience in the slow or non-existent service delivery where the people of colour stays. So please, take this nonsense idea and come back to reality.


Future leader 7/17/2009 12:03:50 PM
the more i read articles like these, the more i'm convinced that ANC will rule until Jesus comes..

duzi81 @ nosuchthingaswhiteafrican 7/17/2009 12:05:20 PM
FYI - I am a white African. Where are you living that you have been so uninformed? Come visit us down in CT, we live in a lekker place with lots of Africans who are lots of different colours. Think you need to ger out more bud!

CT-Proud 7/17/2009 12:07:15 PM
Rather not... Paul, there was a party in the last elections trying to get independance and hardly anyone voted for them. We didn't fight the Boer Wars just so we could take over the north and now just over 100 years later let them go :P Haha, we don't have the heavy industy here anyway and you know we would get charged huge tarrifs on inport/export. Besides, the province acts independently enough as it is while still benfitting from the revenue of the whole country :) Five days is not long enough to see the whole of the Cape anyway... use your head a bit more before you make sweeping statements.

fuzzy 7/17/2009 12:07:58 PM
Historically the white settlers first met with the black tribes at the Fish River, so yes there were no blacks in the W/Cape. The indigenous population were the Khoisan and Strandlopers. But this is all totally irrelevent. The fact remains that the W/Cape, although better governed, is not without its weakpoints and problems. I was in Khyalitsha last night and there were mass protests and tyre burnings over service delivery. Is this true or were the protests a result of ANC sour grapes. - You decide

Ratel 7/17/2009 12:08:59 PM
Good one Paul. The usual suspects fell for your bit of satire hook, line and sinker.

James Bond 7/17/2009 12:09:27 PM
I'm keen. Funny how many black people take deep offence to this, probably the same blokes who are trying to get Hlope in as CJ.

My_R0.02_Worth 7/17/2009 12:13:19 PM
I lived in Cape Town (Bellville) for 18 years. It is beautiful, but it is far from being Utopia. Now I live in Gauteng and honestly... a political party is a political party. [by the way: I voted COPE and it seems I wasted yet another election.]

My comment is not about the WC or the ANC government, my comment is about all the people making comments like "If you don't like it, get out!"

It is comments like those that shows that we have far to go as a democracy. It was that same sentiment that lead to Apartheid.

Having an (almost) 2/3 majority does not give you the right to trample on the minority. It gives you the responsibility to take care of even those who didn't vote for you.

Sam 7/17/2009 12:13:43 PM
hands Up!

emma 7/17/2009 12:14:27 PM
CYNICAL I AGREE lets get back the passport system!!!

Mafutha 7/17/2009 12:16:12 PM
@Sinudeity @Khayelitsha-EXCUSE ME MISS,your DA has only been in charge of the WC for the last three months and you claim all those houses,train stations in Khayelitsha as DA work,shut your a***!! the ANC was in charge of the WC when those projects started,you are merely completing what the ANC planned & started in making lives of the people better, if the DA was in charge before this they would have perhaps thrown that money somewhere in Camps bay,so please give us what DA will start from scratch not a mere completion of ANC initiatives.

The Beginner 7/17/2009 12:23:22 PM
Great letter Paul. Very inspiring and positive for all parties. honour to some and a lesson to others. Not racist at all. Well done. The WC has politicians and voters who subscribe to achiever status. The rest of South Africa is still on about struggle? This is highly likely the main difference? Achieve vs struggle. Achieve = tangible success. Struggle = never ending looping activity. Always doing something, but never actually achieving a goal?

Stryder 7/17/2009 12:23:37 PM
I would support this. CLearly western mindsets and afrcian mindsets cannot be married. Non Black Africans need an independent homeland.

lm@Paul 7/17/2009 12:24:33 PM
STUPID is all I have to say. That goes for you and your article!

Steve 7/17/2009 12:25:42 PM
I think you are all taking it too literally... its not that far from the truth. Western Cape is very separate from teh rest of the country geographically. Capetonians have never really felt part of the rest of South Africa. I feel like I am in a foriegn land when in Guateng or Limpopo.

Even during the Aparthied era, the old regime did not have teh same stangle hold that they did in the north of teh country.

Read Vortex by Larry Bond. Its basically teh melt down of the apartheid governemnt during the border conflict... western Cape fights for independence:)


Eles 7/17/2009 12:35:55 PM
@nosuchthingaswhiteafrican - actually we moved to this country just like you did you were conquered get over it already and move on - other countries have! With your racist view you clearly don't believe in a rainbow SA but that is what we are - ps consider why the PAC struggle for votes think about it and while you are doing that consider how soon SA would be ZIM without the farmers and people who care to make a difference in this country you know those of us who object to government misuse of public funds and corruption etc and who shocker upon shockers actually expect government to do what they are paid to do!

Justin 7/17/2009 12:36:15 PM
Yeah!!!!! Let the ANC totally destroy beautiful SA like they have already almost done and leave a piece for us South Africans who want to puke while living under the ANC governement. The problem is that the ANC doesn't like to be shown to be the incompetents they are. We would need to cause a civil war to achieve anything remotely close. VIVA the Republic of the Western Cape!

Independence for the Cape 7/17/2009 12:36:24 PM
There is a political party fighting for independence of the Cape. They are the Cape Party.... Just Google it!

Sharon 7/17/2009 12:39:03 PM
Sinudeity, I enjoy your comments. You're a voice of reason and you backs your comments with facts. You make all the others who keep shouting "racists" look stupid. I like it!!!

to Black 7/17/2009 12:40:02 PM
Hey Black, if Western Cape became independant people like Paul would get the f out of South Africa and you wouldn't have to tolerate them - I think you're missing the point - he's doing it for you too. Great idea Paul I hope this becomes a reality. I'll also leave South Africa for the Western Cape. Won't have to put up with the idiots that are slating your article (and they won't have to put up with me either) - Eutopia.

The Beginner 7/17/2009 12:40:07 PM
Klbe, do you support AA and BEE? If you do, then you should rethink the "united" part. Anyway, Why don't you move to where there is a real untited society in your terms, north of the Limpopo, south of the mediterranean. No-one is going to Australia anymore. You can go north if you don't like the kind of diversity and powerful arguments by those who are currently disadvantaged by the racist laws of this country. There now. Up and away you go to Zim and beyond where the mediterranean will stop you. I am staying and I will be in your face. You will not have any rest. I will push you until you can't take it anymore or you can move north of the Limpopo where the lifestyle is easy and simple. A constant struggle.

REKNAW to TABO 7/17/2009 12:40:43 PM
Tabo buy yourself a punching bag,I have a feeling your a featherweight any way,you viscious beast telling Paul you want to punch him in the face grow up dick head,amafazi

Dr Watson 7/17/2009 12:41:20 PM
Guys, Paul is simply adding spice to the Nice Weekend. If only News24 could charge R1 per comment and donate to charity, we could raise a lot of money.
I am from Gauteng and been in Western Cape 2 years now. There is a big difference. In Cape Town, Criminals are not visible like Johannesburg, instead it is the Police that are visible. Yes it is a clean Province. It starts by me throwing rubbish in the right place even when no one is looking, not expecting someone else to do it. We still have clean towns in Gauteng like those in the VAAL. If you look at Cape Town inner City, the Hawkers have been contained unlike JHB CBD where it is chaos with used nappies, human waste, urine etc etc. I must honestly say, Gauteng is now trying especially Pretoria. Paul, there is not enough resources in Western Cape to sustain us if it were to be a Country. There is too much poverty among the Blacks and Colored community in Western Cape because the wealth is going to the same rich people at the top who give each other contracts and use the poor to do odd jobs. SHAME man

gmeister 7/17/2009 12:45:14 PM
SINUDEITY is baas!

Syndicate 7/17/2009 12:45:21 PM
Great idea, and article Paul. There was no mention of colour. Will bring the Blue Bulls Team with though;)

Wordwakker 7/17/2009 12:46:54 PM
Who wants Cape Town when you have the lions and blue bulls in Gauteng. CPT isn't that great. The best thing about CPT is the N1 north to JHB. Stop julle stront man, die jaar is 2009!!!

Zola 7/17/2009 12:54:31 PM
All I know is, the DA did not get 100% of the vote.

@Steve 7/17/2009 1:12:15 PM
"Capetonians have never really felt part of the rest of South Africa"???? Speak for yourself bru. I'm a Capetonian and I love visiting other provinces and feel at home when doing so.

cindy 7/17/2009 1:14:46 PM
paul, i agree WC is much cleaner/organised than any other city, but as for the rest of it... tsk tsk! just think of the economic crisis you would have on your hands! all those people moving from the other provinces into a DA controlled (white/black/coloured..whatever, there would be LOADS, regardless of what's being said on this site) would need a JOB, no? so within a few months, a beautiful place would be on the same level as every other province! no jobs=crime, remember?!?

Mumbojumbo 7/17/2009 1:15:55 PM
Disregarding the smaller details of the article. It basicly highlights the desperation of the minority of people in the country, who knows that they are being marginalized by the majority of the country into having to accept leadership wich is obvously flawed and or even criminal. The idea in itself , won't work anyway. It will forever be those who oppose criminal rule of our lovely country and those who don't. Also just an observation, someone mentioned the "dompas", certain groups of people needed this in order to get around in the past. Funny thing , we all now need them to get through everyday just in the form of an ID and drivers licence. oh well..

Wow 7/17/2009 1:20:11 PM
Apartheid is dead and buried. The sooner you accept that the better. If you don't like living with blacks (Zulus, Xhosas, Sothos,Tswanas) why don't you leave Africa and move to Europe or Australlia.

R@stek 7/17/2009 1:28:46 PM
Kabelo ... ur an idiot.

Aletha on Cynical 7/17/2009 1:39:44 PM
My hands are both up in the air!! You said what I wanted to say. Hiep Hiep hoera for the 'passbook' system and goodbye all outlaws/criminals/rapists/thiefs/and you know who! Hie hie

JDW 7/17/2009 1:43:30 PM
Life is an interwovern fabric of illusion created by progress. What is now is now. Why change and create more turmoil by the WC seeking independance. This would just fuel further racial barriers that need to be extinguished. As i said earlier. Forge the sword, fly the flag and envelope our future. The negatives and the positives. For me today is full of sun. That brightens my future.

Nigel 7/17/2009 1:58:25 PM
What a load of kak! Maybe you should write fairytales that children might appeciate!

Logan 7/17/2009 1:58:44 PM
Can someone pease inform me when the DA started running the city of C.T? Also,how long exactly have they been in charge of the province?Oh, last but not least-were things much different before the DA took over?

@WOW 7/17/2009 2:02:07 PM
Pls I would love to leave if you can tell me how to revoke my citizenship so that i can leave on the first plane tell me and I will do it, I will take the first opportunity to get out of here

Linda 7/17/2009 2:12:57 PM
to Paul and nosuchthingaswhiteafrican (amongst others):
You may be on different ends of the scale, but you are both racist idoits.
Your separatist and exclusionary ideas are what is getting in the way of South Africa fulfiliing it's potential as a great nation.
Personally I am more than happy to live with anyone else who is comitted to making the best out of our country.

RB 7/17/2009 2:18:03 PM
It's a direct indication of the education levels in the Western Cape. It's also the reason the ANC have failed so miserably with educating the masses. They know only too well that they would never be voted into power by an educated populace. Their source of votes are the masses of uneducated that are fooled into believing the ANC are the solution and all the problems in the country are caused by the "previously advantaged"

Bhubesi 7/17/2009 2:29:13 PM
Mafutha - that is the actual problem. The ANC have all these wonderful policies and promises for the improvement of life for all, but they never implement them. It always remains talk. If it takes the DA to actually implement (since the ANC is incapable) then so be it.

UK 7/17/2009 2:31:59 PM
Paul you plonker - If you wnat another country, move - there's plenty of choice out there.
Lets rather look at what is working and implement that in the rest of our beautiful country.

BB32 7/17/2009 2:35:36 PM
Suddenly in this article all the comments are for a United South Africa. So when did this happen, because all the usuals have been very racist in their previous comments on previous articles. Both Black and White...

Rene' 7/17/2009 2:39:55 PM
This is a very tongue in cheek article, and wow did it raise a response. I have had quite a giggle at all those who rose to the bait. Kabelo said he would not read the article, however true to form he did and had to put in his haypenny's worth which is usually a load of crud that is laced with racist venom.

Billy of Arabia 7/17/2009 2:54:48 PM
Best idea since slice bread. Jeez, it seems some of the respondents take this real personal and now bring race into it. Give me a break. Al the expats like myself will come back, stay in WC and the rest of South Africa can outsource their Management to the Western Cape. Already got the Republic of Hout Bay. We can use their passports, set up border controls, etc. Brilliant. We already have our parliament buildings, Tuinhuys - sorry Zuma - once the other Provinces (quasi Countries) comply to the same standards, they can vote to join us, who knows, we might even let them in. BY the way, not so long ago, the provinces did have their own constitutions and presidents etc. How can we get this going? No right wingers please - you can go to Ur anus or Orania or somewhere. Staunch stalwarts of the ANC - you have Gauteng - you messed it up, you get to keep it.

She 7/17/2009 2:56:36 PM
LOL. You really make my day by laughing and you sound so serious!!

Tiaan@Sobermind and all the other ANC morons 7/17/2009 2:57:41 PM
The word is "inhabit" - why don't you and all your malicious ANC supporting friends go and read a book! Why is it that when a white person writes something you cry fowl and start threatening violence, but when the criminals (sic) sorry ANC government you voted for steals your money and rapes your land you do and say nothing? There is an English word for this to, its called hypocrisy.

SpezGuru 7/17/2009 2:59:48 PM
whoohooo.. PAUL for Premier !!

Positive 7/17/2009 3:17:53 PM
The comments on this article are really worrying, I didn't actually realise there was still so much hate out there. Call me ignorant, but I see things going really well for South Africa in the future, and I am actually quite excited. I see foreign countries investing in us, I see Moody's upgrading our credit rating, I see one of our hotels winning a top holiday destination award, I see us hosting a major world event, I see government implementing a programme to ensure clean audit reports. I can't wait until current young generation grows up and starts running the country, cause I think they are more colour blind than the current generation. I think our major problem is wealth differences, once the wealth gap has been made smaller, crime will be less. I see crime as being driven by poverty, and once that is improved, crime will be lower. I really appeal to everyone who have made comments on this page to try and be positive and try and release some of the hatred that is out there. I really believe there is a place in South Africa for all of us, and it would be really awesome if we could all be friends. I know one thing for sure, I'll choose South Africa over 75% of other countries!!!!

fern 7/17/2009 3:22:45 PM
I can't believe what I'm reading. Bringing back the pass system. You people hide nicely behind your pc's and make these statements. But it will catch up to you, soon.

SpecGuru 7/17/2009 3:25:54 PM
Linda, i bet you a guy

Rian 7/17/2009 3:28:08 PM
Seriously i do not need people like this in my country .. i hate the fact that ...its all about blame ..lets move on, and to the people with racist issues seriously ..grow up ..this is all our land before DA, ANC,IFP etc ... there was people ... i am tired of this ... what are my kids going to learn hence the mistake we do now will be felt by them... grow the F-up... i read and i get sick...do not follow politics to much you might go the wrong direction ..

terry 7/17/2009 3:29:20 PM
wow what a hornets nest which has been stirred .... isn't the easier solution to get the rest of the country as well run as the western cape ? .... if it can be done in one province then why not others .

To Linda 7/17/2009 3:35:27 PM
Let's put this to rest once and for all...the paragraph about "zulus, xhosas, sothos etc. was only put in to rule out the argument that it was their land to start with...the point is that the Western Cape wasn't (ok so that's now understood). As for the rest, I'm saying that with the past election results there is a clear indication that the majority of people in the WEstern Cape want nothing to do with the ANC and their "governance". My take on it is, let the people (white, black, coloured) who believe in the DA's values live in a country of their own. By that I mean people that don't believe that a leader with rape and corruption charges (which he refuses to defend in a court of law) should be eligible for president. The people who believe that he should will all be living in the same country and will all have the same values. Differences in values is what causes wars and unhappiness. With the Western Cape independent, the differences in values will have been addressed. I can't see people that voted for the ANC wanting to move to the Cape if it's majority is DA controlled and vise versa.....so happiness for all. Hope it's cleared everything up...new country, new start and all the people of this southern African region will be happy....Paul

African 7/17/2009 3:43:32 PM
@RB: I am educated and I voted the ANC. I am from the WC, born and bred in Gugs. I am now permanently in Joburg and not looking back. Cape Town is cr@p, backward and illiterate. It's probably only good for white people. The whites should rather chase away all other racial groups and make Cape Town a Whites Only Town.

LMAO 7/17/2009 3:43:36 PM
When will all you muppets realize that you are as some have said, at opposite ends of the racist scale!

I was born in SA to white parents that fought against apartheid! They were ridiculed for their stance and actions. Do I now not deserve a place in SA?

Wake up! I have spent a lot of time in Europe and believe me it is NOT South Africa. Self righteous racist mentalities will bring this country to its knees and that includes people of all colours!

Janine 7/17/2009 3:51:03 PM
WOW - The Republic of Cape Town - have lived in Jhb, PE, EL & Kby - and nothing beats Cape Town. We are very cosmopolitan

Peru Govender 7/17/2009 3:57:14 PM
@Sinudeity- From the comments you make ( mostly crap ) I think you are a DA supporter - Full of crap - cause a stink and hide behind a mask

Rob 7/17/2009 3:59:03 PM
Well Rian, think about it, you won't have people like that in your country if Western Cape becomes independant because you'll be in the "old South Africa". Paul's doing you a favour....you can stay in the ANC controlled old RSA....I'm sure that's where you'll prefer to stay judging by your message. Enjoy it asshole....I'm off to Paul's new country.

Herbert du Plessis 7/17/2009 3:59:18 PM
Great idea! Could we also have a test for immigrants. Like: Can you spell Guvvamint? Can you say no to pap en vleis? Stringent searching of all cargo, i.e. no Blue Bulls Shirts or ANC supporters jerseys!

joe 7/17/2009 4:07:32 PM
best idea in 15 years! they should have done this deal at CODESA already.

biko 7/17/2009 4:07:54 PM
short answer...there wont be onather orania!!

Kuas@Paul 7/17/2009 4:08:48 PM
Paul Paul ....WC well run? bullshit....go check Nomzamo in Strand bootie, and Ulwandle, and u will c what a well run province WC is...to be honest, and no offence to white people as I know not all of them are as pessimistic....black areas in Cape Town arew the worse in SA, and I have been there and I know what I am talking about....I have been to these townships helping matriculants, and the conditions are appaling to say the least...say what u wanna say..I am talking about something I have first hand experience of...first start, go to Khanyolwethu High School in Nomzamo...and stop hiding in your cocooons.

Mshana 7/17/2009 4:10:58 PM
Yes, why don't we do that. Viva! WC Viva!, Helen Zille for president.

Nonatjie 7/18/2009 9:28:58 AM
Unfortunately we also have ugliness in the Western Cape: foreigners who come here, don't become citizens, but think they can treat our locals like dirt. Had my first attack of xenophobia this week and it was against people of European origin!

BLACKsoWHAT! 7/18/2009 10:05:41 AM
NONSENSE! no minority rule will be happening. NO province, no country, obviously those that agree with this retard are longing for apartheid or wish to experience it.I think your best bet would be to ship out. This article reads like a moronic blueprint to the apartheid manual.Paul jump off a cliff man, i mean really!

puklip 7/18/2009 10:21:10 AM
There is more to independence than declaring it, ask Ian Smith. I am totally confused why news 24 allows articles like this one to make it as it is complete B.S. WAKEUP

DA Supporter 7/18/2009 11:56:41 AM
For all those who missed the bus, the DA has the right attitude to get this whole country on track, but if only those who voted ANC could actually understand what they were saying when they wanted their vote, and not because there was someone with the same cr@p values as them, or colour wanting continuous freebies then they would probably change their vote, but sorry you voted and its too late to complain why you havent gotten what you were promised, which was a lie to begin with. And there is no point in next times vote to change, because your mentality levels havent changed. And for those who complain about service delivery in areas, why dont you clean up your own mess! Just at least keep it tidy, keep the sick looking dogs inside where they are supposed to be, stop letting your children play in the sewer water after the rains, keep your own home clean and then it should be easier to deliver a service that you are wanting so badly. General cleanliness comes to mind here, seriously. Get off you unemployed Buts and actually do something constructive for you and your families and your comunities, that is what the DA also stands for if you couldnt read between the lines.

Tom 7/18/2009 12:12:44 PM
Wow, I have learnt since moving out of S Africa, that democracy is all about the people choosing who governs the country or the Western Cape. It is so wrong to think that they can now become independent. If they are doing a good job of governing in the Cape, the challenge for the DA is now to go out and win more votes in all the other constituencies and form gov ernments in those provinces or whatever they are called. I believe all this will be sorted out some day, that is how democracy will work. The kids of today will not tolerate what is currently happening in SA. Don't forget, it had taken 45years to have a Afro American President. There were numerous struggles and sacrifices made before this could happen. Keep faith, and encourage people to keep on voting for what they see and know is right.

freddy 7/18/2009 12:13:01 PM
STUPID. very very silly. news24 should have an editor of some compitance to prevent such stupidity being published.

Stephen Stauch 7/18/2009 2:11:31 PM
Agreed, the original article did not imply a racial attitude but values and non-govermental performance, atrocious delivery services,pilfering SA tax coffers and state-run institutions,etc, etc, mainly whilst being under the existing national junta's rule. It should be remembered that governments are broke - that is to say, what they work with belongs to the people who generate taxable revenues, legal and productive land owners, etc. They are only the
elected custodians of same and must work wisely and carefully with that which does not belong to them, in the interests of those to whom it really belongs as well as those who are incapable of working for whatever feasibale reason. For this, they should of course earn their salaries and that, not excessive ones (as seen, for little, if any work)
Paul's initial comment appears to have been presented along the lines of extreme dissatisfaction with what I believe to be the DP's election-majority in the WC feel, and not what others in other provinces do or may feel. (My constitutional right is not to disclose which political party I support)in fact, I cannot wait to see the day of impartial government along national lines.
I do not believe Paul implied divison along racial lines at all. We are indeed a colourful nation and should harness and work towards harnessing what good there is in all, whilst working strenuously together to obliterate the bad and existing general exploitation. For those who ask how - it begins with each one of us individually, in our attitudes and how we communicate with each other - our attitudes towards each other need changing firstly and then we, all together, (irrespective of political persuation, ethnicity, class-status etc)will be empowered adequately to stop the existing SA rot. There is not a ANC or DA or FF+ or ID or black or white or coloured or indian South African, there should only be a South African, not even an AU, not a word about black or white etc etc
(constitutionally ban the flippin words. We all have to stop trying to dominate other ethnic groups politically, economically and socially. This will only lead to much polarization and the inevitable absolute destruction. (will leave it to your imagination. Thinking may then start changing, and the rest of the world, quote " can go jump in the pond" unquote. Happy birthday Mr Mandela.

So to all rascists out there (especially and unfortunately those who constantly and strongly express their hatred of others and who live very much in the past going by the responses not only here but very much by their actions out there, you would do well to refrain from these bad attitudes and actions permanently so that a better RSA can be built for all.
To the previously disadvantaged (15 years ago) and now the advantaged - I am "white" and have no problem here - continued rascism and blatant aggression in most aspects, will only serve to antagonize and ferment violence and destruction of a sustainable country we all hope for and are striving to build,not destroy.
Perhaps those who blindly support their political parties, ethnicity etc should study a little history with an unbiased attitude.
For ourselves, the Western Cape region remains a nicer place to stay in, for now, and this purely relating to "choice" not of our own making. Sadly, it appears we are fast becoming like the provinces we left behind - maybe the DA prov. government(supported by segments of all ethnic groupings) can turn it around, we shall see. The rascist cards continuously played have become like flogging a flippin long dead horse.
Viva South Africa !!!
Live and let live !!!
Hold whatever governments and all rascists strictly accountable for
their words and actions and ensure those you support to lead our land
are also not rascists of any kind.
Hey ! How about a confederation of provinces with each province being responcible for their own political, economical and social wellbeing who elect their own governors, senators etc who can only represent that province and with real teeth within the national goverment. The national goverment's
involvement in the particular provinces can only be exercised in matters of provincial natural desasters at the particular provincial governors request as well as against outside national threat. Peoples of South Africa have the choice where they wish to stay and work but who should respect the particular provinces political, social and economical framework. Believe this to be a
win/win situation for all us South Africans understanding that people will be naturally biased, but hey, let them be, the good always defeats the bad.
Unfortunately, when one wants everything this becomes nationally unworkable so we cannot expect the devolution of power with rascists and the existing one state/party government.
Paul, to you therefore I say you have the guts to express your legitimate and constitutional view, well done and may long live the principal of free expression despite the many bigots around.

Mizzz E 7/19/2009 11:05:45 AM
"The streets are clean, police are visible ....". Ha..which section of Khayelitsha did Paul visit, dare I ask?

Riaan 7/19/2009 11:43:51 AM
Why is it every time someone criticizes the ANC they are immediately labeled a Racist? Being a democracy means that we are all entitled to criticize a government that makes decisions to benefit themselves instead of the people of the country they serve. The idea of forming an independent state may be a bit daft, but it does illustrate the frustrations felt by many South Africans, regardless of race, regarding the state and future of our nation. For once, forget about race, and concentrate on the issues at hand.

karen 7/19/2009 12:13:44 PM
Paul, you said it right. Congrats. Just one bothersome thing: In 20 years from now, the rest of SA will be a shambles and Western Cape will be a playground for the rich jet set while millions of totally poor people living in shacks out of sight but not far away. AND no middle class at all. We are already not far from it, it you look at the numbers.
Its not my vision of a pleasant place to live, but its coming soon.

Tani 7/19/2009 12:55:08 PM
The Hex River tunnel is the border between the rest of the country and WC. Once you are in WC if you speak any South Africa's language except Afrikaans, English & Xhosa people think that you are a foreigner and the weather tjooo if it is raining up country it is sunny in the mother city & the surroundings & vise versa ne hahahahah. Okay good people stop this racist, racial, racism comments they make our souls unhappy can't we try to be like Madiba I mean he is one of our gift from God can't we as South Africans be or act like him? I love my country & the world at large I wish we could all leave in peace and harmony and love one another people it starts within you,stop writing racial comments this is not on.

capeindependence 7/19/2009 1:09:00 PM
excellent article. Different values, different people, different country...end of story. Most of you know nothing of the Cape and its history. Those of us who were born and rooted here know that the Xhosa migration is a political tool. They dont consider Cape Town their home...for easter they trek back to Transkei, same for xmas or when some1 dies. This is essentially the black conquest of the Cape, and frankly coloureds who accomodate blacks are stupid, cos they steal all the housing and jobs that should go to the people in the Plain and others on the Cape Flats. 1 school has been built in MPlain since the 1980's reason being, they're building the schools, clinics etc for blacks who've streamed in and stolen land that doesnt belong, then they start mayhem and the government is obliged to give them houses. I say fuck that...let the Cape be the Cape! Let the Cape be free.

Viva Cape Independence! The Revolution is at hand...

Tim 7/19/2009 2:07:17 PM
Would be interesting to see how many of the expats would come back,

Good Luck! 7/19/2009 2:17:59 PM
This is nothing short of attention seeking and i'd bet my bottom dollar the only reason the editor allowed this article to be published is to 'savour' the responses from the readers, of course not bad for news24! Paul, you are quite right, the main ethnic groups of Zulu, Xhosa, Suthu and Tshwana are not from WC, but at least they border the province and more importantly they are Africans! You sound anything but an alien to Africa, to which WC and SA belong. So before you talk of others leaving WC, would you be truthful enough to yourself and return to your ancestral land. SA and WC are just fine to host you as a visitor and nothing more. Pass my regards to your relatives when back 'home'! Tschuss

k_real 7/19/2009 8:57:33 PM
I think it is okay for anybody, including morons to express their views. For me the issues that the Republic of South Africa is not a federal state is beside the point; what seriously disturbs me is whether having morons for editors qualifies as freedom of expression.

Analyst 7/19/2009 9:52:36 PM
Demographically the Western Cape is predominantly Coloured with Afrikaans as homelanguage.Neither ANC nor DA are honouring the culture,traditions or rights of the Coloureds. Everyone was horrified over the Nats handling of District Six. Today yet again the Coloureds are being evicted from their homes and moved into aluminium shack camps with nothing but barren land to look at.New housing is given to Xhosas from Eastern Cape and other African countries. The fishing rights have been taken away from the coastal Coloured communities.Coloureds are turned away from work and student bursaries as they are not Black enough.
Not one of the comments in this discussion has touched on the plight of the indigenous people of the Cape - the Cape Coloureds. They are the majority and they are beginning to get very very keen on the idea of an independent Cape. Time will tell what will happen once the newspapers start taking note of what tabloids like the VOICE and die SON are writing.

etienne marais 7/19/2009 10:21:46 PM
paul,

learn to spell, move to orania (not in that order though)

Kiewiet. 7/19/2009 11:33:23 PM
Viva RWC,oops not WC,rather Viva RWP,Viva!!!

Jacob 7/20/2009 4:05:06 AM
If that is to happen, hundreds of thousands of expatriates will certainly return to the Cape.

IM 7/20/2009 8:47:06 AM
LOL! Clearly you haven't seen the rest of Cpt. After living in Cpt my whole life and then moving to Gauteng 2 years ago I can safely say that I've experienced more crime in Cpt than in Jozi. Oh and yes the WC is also filthy. Filthy with crime, gangsterism, drug abuse, rape, the list goes on...One can't run away from these problems...they're everywhere.

Jono 7/20/2009 10:52:27 AM
The Cape for ALL the people in the Cape. The Cape Party is alive and kicking people and all the crying in the world wont stop it. It is NOT a racially driven movement so stop with the race card already, its a POLITICAL decision. We are doing are best to promote secession, daily, we are living it and have gained alot of support. You will see many more supporters the next election round. Viva CAPE INDEPENDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Craig 7/20/2009 11:28:51 AM
Paul's ignorance and naivety is scary! Go back to Cpt and visit ALL the places. i guarantee you'll change your perception. You fell for the 'holiday Cpt' dude!!

CapeIndependence 7/20/2009 12:19:25 PM
Viva Cape Independence! Its inevitable!

Henni A 7/20/2009 12:54:41 PM
Excellent idea, where do I apply for Western Cape citizenship? I already packed my bags and are ready to roll to my new country!!

Petra 7/20/2009 3:32:58 PM
Don't let the door hit you on your way out.

Bob 7/20/2009 4:21:58 PM
I would move there in a flash if the Western Cape seceded. But our "comrades" in government would never let that happen.

Poseidon 7/20/2009 4:22:36 PM
Hey, ithink the government went wrong, they should not screw up the rich, but to uplift the poor. Like nationalize the private sector of health care, not a chance. The ANC should up lift the public sector to match the private sector standard, then ppl will give up in Private sector, no the other way around.

BP 7/20/2009 5:02:41 PM
I am absolutely shocked at what has been said here in this comments column. The pure hatred brooding in the hearts of my fellow south africans is appauling, disgusting and is an insult and an embarrasment to everything that our nation has been through. Everyone of you should be down right ashamed of yourselves. Well done for ignoring the memories of the brave and corageous men and woman who died for this rainbow nation and congratulations for laughing at the blood that was spilt in the painful history of this land. The IMPLICATION of your artical sir is nothing more than a form of apartheid and it's rotten to it's core. Yes we have the right to express ourselves, but I urge everyone to please excersize more tack and plain old common decency and respect. I did not vote ANC or DA as they BOTH support the wholesale slaughter of pure and innocent unborn babies. If anyone should be fighting we should be fighting for the lives of those who have no voice, fighting for the weak, the marginalized and the oppressed. EVERY 90 SECONDS A WOMAN IS RAPED IN SA. Lest we forget.....lets all fight side by side against a common evil that is thriving in our country.

Frits 7/20/2009 5:19:40 PM
Well Paul, I could not agree with you more! That is the best and only way forward.

neo 7/20/2009 5:52:19 PM
This idea is sooo archaic. Just when I thought Verwoerd was dead!

Western Cape Resident 7/20/2009 9:15:17 PM
I would fight for Western Cape independance!
Anything to keep the ANC out, they just keep screwing up the country and the sad reality is that the people sufffering the most from poverty in this country keep on voting them back in power due to lack of education, which suits the ruling party.

FreeCape 7/21/2009 7:29:35 AM
Cape Independence!!!! Vote Cape Party for secession!!!!! Yes, its about time!!!!!

t-PLUS 7/21/2009 9:11:58 AM
This is typical of racists who no longer have a place anywhere in this world, let alone S.A... I am convinced you just woke up from a terrible dream because reality is Western Cape has challenges like any provinces. The issue is whether you like it or not the ethnic groups that you mentioned above are majority in S.A and will always decide who governs the country, so if you know what’s good for you please start respecting them. The only way you can see your stupid and inconsiderate idea possible is if you go and wake up your ancestor Verwoerd and ask him to rewind time. The last time I checked Cape Flats is in W.C and we all know the challenges that are experienced there.

Rich 7/21/2009 9:57:35 AM
Extremely dangerous talk in this fragile democracy of ours...

Lollo 7/21/2009 10:35:54 AM
Verwoerd had the perfect solution - that's why he was murdered. Every culture run its own country, its own laws, culture, religion and nobody mess or discriminate against the other people's culture or way of how they operate and do things. And every culture takes responsibility for their own actions, whatever they do or accomplish. Perfect. Nobody is favoured above another race/ culture and nobody has to feel guilty of who they are and what they are. And everybody respects each other. God created different nations/languages with a reason. Lets respect each other.

nk 7/21/2009 11:02:10 AM
The Western Cape has always been the way you described for tourists - even when it was ruled by the ANC. The DA did not make drastic changes there to make it that way. Anyone who has gone to different parts of the Western Cape - not just the tourist attractions - knows the suffering of the black and coloured communities who are forgotten. The WC is only good for the rich, and the tousists who don't see the real WC!

Billy of Arabia - EXPAT in Arabian Peninsula 7/21/2009 11:28:18 AM
@Tim - I would come back - even sell my place in Namibia which I see as the alternative to retire. Sad, but true. Many Sefricans I know that have lost/left their jobs here in the Middle East are going back, and first trying Cape Town.... If the Republic of Western Cape were to happen, I think I just might buy a place now in Cape Town incase this happens.... :)

Tracy 7/21/2009 11:37:40 AM
I think that the hatred in the comments while sad are an indication that something is seriously wrong in this country - and there is - we have reverse apartheid ruling us - young white children don't see a future in this country - and why should they? Every time you open a the job section of a newspaper you read position are available for AA or tender for BEE companies.Black kids get away with bullying at schools because everyone is too scared to step on anyone's toes - you can't criticize a political party in this country without being called racist - nor can you criticize anyone else but a white person in this country without being called racist.All other ethnic groups (excluding whites) are allowed to protect their values, ideals and support their people - should a white person try this - immediately they are labeled as extremist, ignorant and racist. Now tell me who is the racist? I have the right to my ideals, and my own beliefs whether they are popular or not - just as everyone else has that right - and yes I am leaving South Africa I am going to a county where my children will not be judged by their white skin - where they will get jobs based on their knowledge and skills - where they will have rights to protect themselves from bullies whether those bullies be black or white.I will honor my new country - and pay my taxes with a smile - and spend everyday grateful to live in a country where my children are safe and have a future!

KB 7/21/2009 12:45:07 PM
Does a racist person ever say. I am writing a racist article now? Or I am going to be racist? I do not think so, Paul you do not have to use the words race, black, white. But when you talk about the ethnic groups that make up the ANC........... that is all it takes. I am a Xhosa woman who has lived in Cape Town for a number of years. And yes, you are right. Cape Town is by far the best city that I have lived in. Thisis in terms of service delivery, power cuts, public transport etc. It is much cheaper as well. Th reason for this is unknown to me whether it is political or not is unknown and irrelevant. But what I will tell you is that racism is still very alive and kicking in Cape Town. The division is still there and the structure of your article makes me understand why you would love it so much. I also need clarity on a point you make (only studied History up to std 7)- Who did the white supremacy enslave when the docked on our shores in the Western Cape? Other white people or which ethnical group exactly? Do not get me wrong I do agree that the difference between Cape Town and JHB is there and visible. I now live in JHB and beleive me I can see the difference. But the way you go about making your point is totally unacceptable to the rest of us. I do really wish that it would be possible for the Western Cape to be a coutry on its own so that everyone who thinks like you do could move there.

RichyRich 7/21/2009 3:38:24 PM
Why even worry about the Cape, we are all part of Africa now. The collapse of Africa is happening all around us. Just relax and be part of it. Look north,whats there to save?

RB @ Tracy 7/21/2009 4:01:58 PM
wow Trace, that's some pretty green grass on that side hey? In the past 10 years I've lived in Canada, London and Australia and I can absolutely promise that you that you are living in a dream world if you think everything is all rosy over there. But from your clear attitude towards SA, I can only wish you Bon Voyage and wish you all the success so you can afford to come back when you realise how much you will miss this great country of ours.

we_are_all_africans 7/21/2009 5:05:39 PM
It is very sad to read a lot of these comments.
South Africa belongs to all who live in her, and we are all Africans, irrespective of race.

Come to Grahamstown where we love and accept you regardless of colour/appearance/culture.
Those are the differences that make our country such an exciting place to live in.
How boring would life be if we were all the same?

The Western Cape is beautiful and a part of south africa, bad governance or good governance.
Come on guys, let's unite and leave all this rubbish behind us. It only promotes a hatred that simmers under the surface.

Peace and love

Seth 7/21/2009 6:10:20 PM
wow, when i first read the article i had all intentions to post a comment and had a decent cogent argument structured in my mind, this was when i still thought you were just sharing an unbiased opinion and i was going to reason with you on so many levels on how the segregation would NOT work, but after reading your further comments made as responses to some of the comments, now i just have will or energy to invest time, because with each comment you just seem to sound very ignorant - its very discouraging when one reads thoughts of such a seemingly ignorant person - I hope you realise this at some point and perhaps evaluate your views of the different types of people within your country and I'm not just referring to race, but all types of differences because South Africa is an incredibly diverse country, from understanding, ways of being, race, privileges, aspirations etc and its sad to see that the diversity is not celebrated, but instead wished away - things should be improved and not avoided - and this is the hope i have for the future of South African politics, not reintroducing segregation.

Analyst 7/21/2009 7:46:45 PM
Latest news on the radio: South Africa used to be a fod producing/exporter pre-1998. Today SA is importing food. That is exactly the way things started in Zimbabwe. To save the Cape from the same future as the rest of South Africa please vote for independence. At least the Cape Republic can then contribute by exporting food to South Africa.
The Cape people have guts and resilience. Yes!they can do it!Look at Macau/Mauritius/Kosavo/ Montenegro/Singapore/Monte Carlo/all the 20 odd Russian newly independent sovereignities etc. the pride of these people with newly acquired independence has brought peace and prosperity to their new countries.That is the way to go. Small country- bigger transparency and less corruption.

Robert 7/22/2009 7:53:32 AM
I have to say that I'm very disappointed in a good deal of the comments here.

Sadly Paul, I believe you have seen just what the average tourist to any tourism destination would see - the good side. There is much poverty, pain and suffering around Cape Town that visitors won't see. I should know I lived there long enough.

On the flip side, you would certainly have a point that if the Western Cape really was as you imagined it to be. With the problems facing South Africa as a whole anywhere that could avoid being part of that, should!

I do find your letter ignorant of the general make up of South Africa - and for the record, the DA only just won the majority in the WC - hardly an overwhelming lack of votes for the main parties.

Louis 7/22/2009 2:00:57 PM
I have very good arguements for why I do not like the ANC led government but this idea reaches a level of idiocy usually reserved for George Bush. The author jumps from local issues to provincial solutions and has no concept of the spatial seperation of governance we already have with National, Provincial and Local structures. The autonomy for any province should be to run their affairs as they see fit, but with proper accountability if outcomes are not met. Ditto for local and national structures. An independent Western Cape country introduces inefficiencies in duplicated structures even more than we have currently. The author also makes invalid assumptions about our national shared values vs provincial variations and base his conclusions on that.

CapeNat 7/22/2009 2:36:21 PM
There is nothing 'racist' about secession itself, its a POLITCAL decision, not racial. The Cape Party has been into the 'coloured' areas many times. It is probably at this stage where most of the support comes from. The reason you had'nt heard of them was simply because it was only 8 months old and didnt have anywhere near the amount of funding required for the job. Having said that, i must say what a great job the CP has done with the little time it had. It concentrated its rallies on the urban areas of Capetown like Mitchells plain, delft and got people excited. (The are video clips on the facebook page.) The Cape parties slogan of 'Kaap vir die Kaaplander' was WAY more effective than any of the other parties slogans, this has been backed by media reports on the 'effectiveness of message', whereby the Cape Party came out tops. People couldn't help stop and notice them and of course then started talking about it.

The Cape Party also won 2552 votes, considering the funding id say this is great, something that can and will only grow in strength and numbers. At the end of the day they went out to win the elections but rather to get the massage out (around Capetown), which they surly have. Work is continually being done by Cape Party members to spread the idea to all the various places of the Cape and so far its had great feedback. Next election time around things will start to look very different.

Its time for all the people of the Cape, regardless of race, class, orientation, whatever, to come together and vote for Independence. Vote for a TRUELLY non racial, non sexist, uncorrupt, democratic society. A vote for the CP is a vote for common sense. Viva CP!!!!

BurdBubble 7/22/2009 3:28:43 PM
Durban, clean and safe? Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
It's got to be the biggest crime ridden, flea infested, trash heap I've ever had the misfortune of visiting.

Analyst 7/22/2009 4:51:10 PM
Now that a member of the Cape Party has joined this panel of speakers I would suggest the following:
For the Cape Party to grow in strength their voice should be heard and seen beyond internet chatting. If funding is needed towards newspaper articles and TV appearances why not request a donation from everyone who has responded positively to this polemic with their comments. This discussion needs deeper analysis with well researched facts and figures and it should be presented to a wider public. Only last week did a reader from Durban write in the Times : " The ANC is destroying our Indian history and culture". Is it not interesting that the people of the Cape are perceiving the same happening to their history and culture. Let people know why.

Lethabo 7/22/2009 7:47:12 PM
Man, wht the hect. You need to read Political science textbooks, or anything about politics at all. W.Cape can't afford to be on its own. It need the rest of SA on its side. For the W. Cape to become a country on its own, it need to meet certain standatds. Can it afford to be on its own? maybe in the next life..

Roland 7/22/2009 9:32:20 PM
Great idea , it should be persued

sim 7/23/2009 1:07:39 AM
Paul has a life,thats why he wrote such a good article.Paul I agree with you infact let the DA run the country.Think of all the extra money we can put back into education and medical improvements with all the money spent on BLING MOTOR CARS by our current leaders.Or is that what you mean by getting a life?As long as we have people in power abusing our hard earned tax money we are ALL OPPRESSED.

CapePartySupporter 7/23/2009 9:42:00 AM
We have the right to self-determination and we bloody well need start exercising that right. Our beloved Cape is being dragged down the gutter with the rusty sinking ship that is the RSA. We've had enough, we want out! I will vote Cape party and promote this to others as much as possible, already theres a huge gathering of support for this idea since the CP started like a year ago. I think theyre doing a great job, but would also like to see them more visible. I have yet to meet someone here in the Cape who didnt support secession, regardless of class/race. We are ALL from the Cape and will ALL benefit from Independence. Have you guys seen the CP facebook group?

GO CAPE PARTY! GO CAPE INDEPENDENCE!

Rainier 7/23/2009 1:02:51 PM
The ANC will never give up the WP. How's about Western Cape as a federal state: partially self-governed region united by a central government? The ANC will still be the ruling government, but the DA will impose it's own set of laws. In that way the ANC will not lose any taxes and the Capetonians do not have to conform to the ANC's rulings.

riyaaz 7/23/2009 8:47:44 PM
secession is crazy.we cannot be a sovereign state here in the western cape.we are part of south africa.by the way there was a political party campaigning in this years election with just that as its chief reason.they garnered just a few votes.they lost their deposit.

Analyst 7/24/2009 7:04:23 PM
Wrong info Riyaaz if you are referring to The Cape Party - in spite of given no coverage whatsoever in the newspapers or TV they got more votes than 17 other parties contesting the provincial election. Now that is a remarkable achievement. So do not write them off.Or should I say, do not write off the idea of an Independent Western Cape as it is even discussed within other political groups.

Oom Jislaaik 7/31/2009 2:51:29 PM
Die Kaap vir die Kapenaars. I fully support this venture. The rest of South Africa is going down the drain. If you don't believe me check the stats on Gapminder.com (you can compare GDP, life expectancy etc). to other African countries as well.

J@Riaaz 9/30/2009 4:33:53 PM
Why are Lesotho and Swaziland then independent. They where also part of South Africa. Disband those countries and include them in South Africa. It will be good if there is another independent state in South Africa.
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