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Generalising about Afrikaners

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2008-07-18 10:13

Dear Editor,

This is in response to the article which mentions "angry white youths". That is a headline designed to incite. In fact, it could have been shortened to just "angry whites", and even then the word angry is a misinterpretation of the facts.

So, who designed this headline that appeared on News24? I would like to refer readers to an article that appeared on the same date in Beeld titled "Ek's 'n weeskind in my land, gee my 'n familie" - which when translated reads "I am an orphan in my country, give me a family".

I would appreciate person's of the public to notice the difference. The first article on News24 was about a professor, but his degree gives him the authority and right to make a statement based on his opinion only, yet thousands of readers' attitudes will be influenced by that.

The article in News24 states the following: "The Afrikaner youths' troubled knowledge was transmitted through the family, the church, the schools, cultural associations and peer groups." This is a generalised statement. Is it fair? Is it accurate? Deduced by a revered academic?

The professor said the Afrikaner youths' beliefs and behaviours mirrored those of their parents - "who upheld, supported and benefited from white domination in the decades before they were born".

He continues: "In the belief system of white youth, these social events are interpreted through a singular lens: black incompetence, black greed, black barbarism and black retaliation."

Sir, with all respect, who and what gives you the right to come to that conclusion? You state that all white youth have a singular lense? Even uneducated people know better than to conclude a whole portion of society shares the same view.

If the professor was earnest in his wish to "get together and figure it out for the sake our country and the future", he should refrain from generalising and labelling a whole portion of society. This was demonstrated recently by xenophobic incidents that I believe were activated by political and economic frustration and not race.

So I question the motivation for the statement in this article that "angry white youths [are] dangerous". Why this incitement? What will this achieve? Surely not reconciliation. So why does this headline appear? Is it to take the focus away from other problems on the political playing field?

Sure, many white people are unhappy. Not only young people but also old people. And so are some black people and coloured people. Why? I believe it is because of government policy, overall incompetency, and government official's greed and that has absolutely nothing to do with black and white relations in this country.

A concerned mother

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Suzi-B 7/18/2008 10:23:51 AM
I couldn't agree with you more. Well put. The statements made by the Prof only fuel the fire of hatred and racism that is still on going in this country.

turbo_superboss 7/18/2008 10:24:06 AM
but he is not necessarily wrong in what he had to say, look at Germany, not all germans are nazis but there are still people who believe in the nazi doctrine to this very day. The far right wing in South Africa is only afrikaaners, and so it is only obvious that that youth may still believe in the doctrines that their parents believed in. Just because he generalises doesn't mean that the problem doesn't exist.

witseun 7/18/2008 10:25:00 AM
White/black tension is VERY overestimated. Sure, there are some rural areas where there have historically been issues, but the vast majority of South Africans does not have an issue with other ethnic groups. Apartheid policies obviously created the impression, but I don't think we have any more racial issues here than what they have in the USA, Australia or the UK.

Hugo 7/18/2008 10:28:40 AM
How dare this so-called professor make such statements? Afrikaners are amongst the most tolerant people I know...I am a proud Afrikaner. Afrikaners were the first to accept gay and lesbian people for one. Remember who started apartheid in SA, the Brits, with their concentrattion camps, English supremacy and making Afrikaans out as a common, backward language and the Afrikaners a stupid, useless, worthless lot. The Brits burned down farms, threw women and children in camps and left them to die.

Piet 7/18/2008 10:29:35 AM
I think being white is becoming an international sin. And no, Prof, I don't agree with you, so come over here and let me beat your head in!

Crackerjackjack 7/18/2008 10:31:36 AM
Why would I be an angry white youth when one of my best friends is black and watches rugby and drinks a beer with me on saturdays? Me thinks the media want to force the youth to be angry by writing such articles. They want to create hate and they have the perception that whites are angry with blacks but meanwhile the majority of white people in sa have at least one black friend! I blame the media for generating some hate which i do not have!

what 7/18/2008 10:33:24 AM
Thank you!

anon 7/18/2008 10:33:49 AM
Qoute: "Sir, with all respect, who and what gives you the right to come to that conclusion?" ----------------------------------------- Who gives you the right to question his opinion then? He's entitled to his opinion just as you are to yours. Please stop being so self righteous and the world will be a little bit better for the rest of us.

Brendon Shields 7/18/2008 10:38:06 AM
I benefitted greatly from apartheid and white domination. The key ingredient I received for free was my 'in-born' sense of responsibility, work ethic and discipline. Yes it all comes with a dose of prejudice but its easy to overcome this. My question is whether black youths are as successful at fighting their sense of entitlement as the white youths are fighting their prejudice? Of course both questions generalise.

Gatvol 7/18/2008 10:38:58 AM
I dispise the generilation being pointed at the afrikaans in general. Most generilation comes from my english work collegues. I have been labeled racist, commen and my history and ancestry has been insulted on numerous occasions. mostly by people who has no history knoledge in the first place. Just random made up opinions. Why do I constantly have to prove my selve as non-racist when I know in my hart that I am not racist.

Academic 7/18/2008 10:40:34 AM
I haven't read the professor's article, but his claims are probably based on research and supported by statistics. But, there are liars,damn liars, and statisticians. Research findings do not always represent a purer form of the truth than other ways of knowing - especially in the human sciences. As far as the distinction between right and left wingers go, it is outdated. Many people accross the spectrum are rigid, conservative and well, right wing in their attiudes. Take Ancyl as an example...

tjk 7/18/2008 10:41:26 AM
I could not belief it when I was reading the article... The younger society seem to have come a lot further than the professor in accepting a new South Africa. The professor's comments give me the impression he is still biased, holding grudges against the past. Seriously, just sit in traffic in any area where car-pooling has become a normal thing, and you can see that the youth are integrating at an exceptional pace. The middle class is going forward.

Vernon Wolf 7/18/2008 10:42:08 AM
I think that Afrikaans youth have all the right in the world to be "angry" so does Coloured youth and black... The enemy here is not society or the people of this country, it's government, the corrupt aspects in the ANC (which seems to make up about 90% of the ANC structure) and a few key politicians with hidden agendas.

colin 7/18/2008 10:43:16 AM
I do understand your point of departure but what you also should have stated in your article is that there are some whites who do act and live there lives in line with what the Prof said ? it is people like these who need to be mentioned as they also do not contribute to nation building. As there are many white who are not racist there are on the other side as many whites who do not want to be a part of this black dominated country as they do judge people based on skin colour as I witness it everyday.

JR 7/18/2008 10:43:39 AM
A pan is scorning a pot. Your general respose is that because of government policy, overall incompetency, and government official's greed people are disgrunlted? Which policy are you referring to? Did you want to say policies? Most of government policies are working well and conform to constitutional and democratic principles. Nothing is perfect! Who is incompetent? I have no doubt in the competency of Mr T. Mbeki and most in government's executive body? Not all people in government are greedy.

Liz 7/18/2008 10:43:46 AM
I felt so deflated after I read the article by the "Professor". I am white and Afrikaans and dont know anyone like the people he described in his article. Sure we sometimes feel unhappy and angry about the state of the country/world at the moment (as do all), but it's not a feeling that overrides every other aspect of our lives. I dont think anger belongs solely to White Afrikaans people.

Sinudeity 7/18/2008 10:44:22 AM
Is making a racist out of me. And I apologise for it.

myself 7/18/2008 10:45:10 AM
I think the article of the Prof is not balanced because some of us (Black Youths ) do feel angry at the white supremacy that ravaged our future so the white youths are not alone, look at the rate at which the farmers are attacked, the suburbs in Pretoria, and low interaction between whites and blacks in the whole country. It tells you no one is reaching out to the other to the democracy people they must workout something before the fireball explode.

Mark R. 7/18/2008 10:45:39 AM
I'm German-speaking but married to an Afrikaans woman, so I move mostly in the Afrikaans community in South Africa. And I must say, especially amongst the youth, I still see a lot of people who are prejudiced, frustrated and aggressive towards blacks. The Prof may have generalised (somewhat), but the problem does exist. (Note: it ALSO exists amongst blacks, but that's not the point of this article.)

morena 7/18/2008 10:45:52 AM
this concerned mother is talking a whole lot of bull and don't know why her article was even published, she say (The Afrikaner youths' troubled knowledge was transmitted through the family, the church, the schools, cultural associations and peer groups, IS IT FAIR) i say yes it is,the proff clearly said "angry" youths thats not Generalising if they are all angry then the proff is telling the truth

Yash 7/18/2008 10:46:32 AM
I agree that someone in a position of authority should phrase what they say very carefully. However, racial segregation / discremination is alive and well: 1. Look to yourselves and ask yourself, would you be happy if your child married someone of different colour, truthfully? This question is aimed at all people of all colour.

CVM 7/18/2008 10:46:33 AM
Its not like the "whites" went on Radio saying that they would "kill" for anyone now did they.

jitesh 7/18/2008 10:46:47 AM
Tru apartheid is over on paper.But look at America how many centuries and they still cant embrace racial intergration? Is it really possible for S.A to do it in 10yrs??

Bridget 7/18/2008 10:49:49 AM
Just a question: Is this prof english speaking? In which case he should button his lip on Afrikaners. How would the world view a non-jewish german sprouting hate speech on jews who the germans put in concentration camps? Not well. But when english people start spewing their hatred for afrikaners (who the english also put in concentration camps) it is all good. Leave the afrikaner alone. They are either leaving, being killed or dying out anyway. Let them do it in peace.

Dexter 7/18/2008 10:50:01 AM
Racism, and distinguishing between white and black have been there for centuries all over the world. It is really sad to judge someone by the color of his skin. I agree with witseun that the tension is overestimated. Only a few individuals will fuel the fire, and keep racial issues in the headlines. Certain people just don't want peace. Some leaders only stay in power by using violence, racism and keeping people divided. (Zimbabwe)

ubuntu_my_ass 7/18/2008 10:50:55 AM
i think as africans we are all used to generalising socio-economic groups based mainly on class differences.To say that the far right wing is ONLY Afrikaaners is the same as saying that the far left wing is only the Xhosa,or Zulu(ie.not Afrikaaners!)...but how many people still today live in our land with left wing ideologies,and are not black?Also to say that all Germans still believe in the Nazi doctrine is possibly one of the most uneducated and ignorant comments a human being could make!

Chris 7/18/2008 10:52:47 AM
The professor's comments about young Afrikaners were very ignorant. If young Afrikaner's are turning to more militant groups, it's because they have absolutely nobody to defend their interests. I am a white, English-speaking ex-liberal living abroad. If I returned to South Africa, I would probably join an extremist group too. Do I agree with their racist elements? No. But who else would stand up for me if my wife, children and family were tortured and murdered in cold blood?

denzil 7/18/2008 10:53:07 AM
I agree but want to add that where there is racial tention amonst the yuths, it might be because if you have black skin you can get a bursary a lot easier than if you have white skin, this will create tension as its racist. So I agree its government policies causing this type of thing, the root of the problem for the fustration among the people is not colour, but rather the government policies based on colour.

ks 7/18/2008 10:55:06 AM
Racism and discrimination will be the downfall of this beautiful country! People like the 'Prof', who make unjustified statements and draw opinionated conclusions, just add straw to the camels back! I have faith that SA will come around and it will be THE country to live in!

Warren 7/18/2008 10:56:05 AM
Thank you for the balanced tone of your article. Unfortunately, I think you may give people too much credit. Both educated and uneducated people everywhere are prone to generalise about population and race groups. We ALL do it, every day. We need to breed more tolerance and insight.

Sinudeity 7/18/2008 10:56:21 AM
ANCYL, Government, white folks, black folks, xenophobia. It seems everyone is on the knives edge. Everyone is driven to such an extreme that breaking points could be reached. Why not just love one another. Help whenever you can.

Craig 7/18/2008 10:57:36 AM
I personally didnt read the article in question, but I wish I had, that way I could have seen which idiot of a prof said those things. the first thing one does in any academic field when making a generalised comment is to do proper surveys and studies. obviously this prof has no idea what research is and perhaps is too lazy, prefering instead to use his considerable brain power (sarcasm) to infer his own thoughts into statements which will affect thought of millions! no repercussions though...

Snow_white 7/18/2008 10:58:54 AM
turbo_superboss I am not now nor have I ever been afrikaans, but my doctrine is right. don't generalize to support a generalization. Janus Walusz isn't exactly a clutchie is he

Dean 7/18/2008 10:59:06 AM
I agree. Isolating one section of society for general criticism will solve nothing, it will only fuel the fires even more. Fact is that many people form all areas of South African society feel the same about the country. Many people will agree and disagree with each other and about current policies. Lifes like that! Not until the entire country as a whole comes together to work on the problems will anything really change. Blaming one community will accomplish nothing. It just makes things worse.

Hero Nakamura 7/18/2008 11:03:07 AM
I never read the article, but I can also agree with it. Most white ppl can be honest and agree to this. No one is born racist. In this country we have young racist, how can this be? These young racist and their stinking attitudes are not only found in rural areas. They are everywhere. This behavior is almost inherited.

Fne 7/18/2008 11:03:46 AM
First of all please make sure you use the correct English when pronouncing proudly that you are Afrikaans. Otherwise you conform to the other stereotypes of being Dutch. Also, do you honestly believe that the majority of Afrikaans people are not racist? You may get away with such a statement when talking to other cultures but being white and Afrikaans, I can tell you that you are lying. Or else, you do not have any friends and completely avoid your own culture.

Godfrey 7/18/2008 11:04:33 AM
He may be generalising but not necessarily wrong.These youths were born post apartheid,so where do they get the influence from?The white students who beat up a black student for speaking to a white girl at the university of Johannesburg,why? Makes one think who is really'onbeskaafd'.

CTheB 7/18/2008 11:05:26 AM
It may be true that many white Afrikaner youths are angry, which is the initial statement (even if the headline casts the net wider), but suddenly that becomes all whites. There doesn't seem to have been any method with his opinions being based on nothing other than impressions. For example, I don't know any white people who don't think the "xenophobic" attacks aren't everyone's problem. This kind of rhetoric helps no one.

MAXX2 7/18/2008 11:06:14 AM
The Prof analysis was spot on. Fact is, truth hurts. What he said did not surprise many in my community, and is even evident in this very same site if one looks at comments that are posted on a daily basis .What do you think happened to all the racists after 1994, did they just dissappear or emigrate to Perth, no they are in our midst. They present themselves as cultural and language activists ( read AWB, FF+,Solidarity, Afriforum, you name them). We are not stupid and can read between the lines

Vince 7/18/2008 11:06:26 AM
I am sorry turbo_superboss, but the far right wing 1) is NOT only Afrikaners and 2) is Not nearly representative of the majority of Afrikaners. Following your German analogy: it would also be wrong and inflamatory to state that Germans (in general, as a whole or in the majority) are dangerous facist skinheads. There are many Afrikaners who are trying to embrace change and we don't appreciate being labeled racist and angry if we aren't. Well written, thanks for speaking out

Thabs 7/18/2008 11:08:53 AM
i think a lot of us have a "it was a bad past, lets move on" attitude and no one wants to deal with it, hence we have these racial outbursts once too often. i don't think we understand each other at all. has anyone ever gone to these afrikaans youth to explain properly to them what apartheid did to us blacks and the need to redress the wrongs brought upon by that doctrine? do we blacks undertand that no all whites are racist? 14 years into democracy and we're still as backward thinking as ever...

Stryder 7/18/2008 11:09:20 AM
Boet, there you go again, the whole point of this article is that sweeping staements, especially on the subject at hand are unfair and wrong. Trust me, most of the most extreme racists I know hold BRitish Passports. You probably do to. Apartheid was not the sole domain of the Afrikaner, it was all white South Africans. Now a days the most extreme racists are not white. Gpo by a new car, the SUper boss is so last century

odita 7/18/2008 11:13:36 AM
I want to agree with witseun, racism is there and alive, but overrated!people do not hate each other so much, it is often fuelled by politicians who wants to achieve their narrow objectives. however, i agree that not much has been done towards integration! im personally annoyed with black/white notion in this country, we cannot even judge a person just as a person, we first use the skin color as an entry point, and this is amazingly irritating.

TB 7/18/2008 11:13:57 AM
I live in a semi-rural area - town classified as a city. A wholesome lot of expecially young men in this area are exactly like that, mainly due to culture inherited from parents and frustration due to AA. I hear and see this daily. So, unfortunately the professor is not so totally incorrect in his findings.

Philip 7/18/2008 11:14:44 AM
You're jumping on the same band wagon as this Prof. You are assuming, and in a democracy, that is not fair. Where is YOUR proof? For those of you who missed it please find a link to the article here: http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2359469,00.html

Cape Town Kid 7/18/2008 11:14:47 AM
Not only are you contradicting yourself BUT I am at a loss to understand why once again you fail to take responsibility for what the Prof is saying. Admittedly, white youths have not been overwhelmingly patriotic or willing to participate in building this NEW SA. A snapshot of comments herein should give you some insight into their myopic and jaundiced thinking.It is your duty to correct this. Do not excuse that which is wrong, become like the rest of us. BUILDERS AND NOT BREKERS!

Bruce 7/18/2008 11:16:10 AM
...and read the article properly! The opening paragraph states "MANY Afrikaner youths...". The Prof is not making a sweeping generalisation.

proud to be white 7/18/2008 11:20:51 AM
and I am damn proud to be one,so let me tell you what makes us angry,whe are being blamed for the sins of our fathers,and whe are being persecuted by the goverment for their faults,whe get labbeled racist,arrogant,stupid,if whe don't agree with goverments stupid policies,and when whe get told that all afrikaners are the same,please I am not terreblanche,never will be so don't compare me with him.

proud to be white 7/18/2008 11:22:08 AM
and I am damn proud to be one,so let me tell you what makes us angry,whe are being blamed for the sins of our fathers,and whe are being persecuted by the goverment for their faults,whe get labbeled racist,arrogant,stupid,if whe don't agree with goverments stupid policies,and when whe get told that all afrikaners are the same,please I am not terreblanche,never will be so don't compare me with him.

bob 7/18/2008 11:22:35 AM
i agree with you. there are always going to be differences in society - that is essentially the cruz of "society". why dont we all turn into robots with no differences or opion. How boring. Just goes to show that having a title of Professor does not imply you are intelligent but merely academic.

Andries 7/18/2008 11:23:31 AM
I read the article when it was published and I remember that it came under serious scrutiny from all sides. All I propose is that everyone firstly agree on the facts and then try to come to a mutual conclusion and then try to fix the problem...not to do it by making way out statements to get some attention - like the Prof, some YL leaders and most politicians.

Propaganda 7/18/2008 11:23:51 AM
It's called propaganda.

Anti-Prof 7/18/2008 11:28:00 AM
To quote you: "Who gives you the right to question his opinion then? He's entitled to his opinion just as you are to yours. Please stop being so self righteous and the world will be a little bit better for the rest of us" Yes, everyone is entiteled to their own opinion but this is a professor! When they make comments it usually based on research and statistics. He didn't refer to either. My opinion: He knew it was contraversial and said it to gain publicity.

Lehan 7/18/2008 11:29:51 AM
I am white and afrikaans. I am not racists, but then again, convincing anyone who will read this of that is impossible. So as my future here is damned if I do (try and work with everyone else but for the most part just get ignored) and damned if I dont (by sitting back and just moaning about the problems), what else is left? Can government organise an extradition for all those who want to "return" to their "ancestoral routes". Can I suddenly get an EU passport because I "dont belong in Africa"?

Nick 7/18/2008 11:30:06 AM
I'm so tired of the same old thing being written, why can we not just work together to build a new nation. Some white & black people are racist, so what get over it. Are there not more non racists then racists in this country. We are the ones that should get together and start a new Party based on what is right and what is needed to take this country forward.

Henri 7/18/2008 11:30:47 AM
I'm sure there's many 'white' professors that can do just a great study too on 'black youths' which would be even more shocking. It does not surpise me that this particular study was done by a black professor which articles are usually biased towards a certain race. Typical black nationlist propaganda

morena 7/18/2008 11:31:39 AM
yes Craig you didn't read it, go read it then is then that you can say proff is an idiot or not now you the idiot by getting in an argument withou knowing where how who started it

Fraud 7/18/2008 11:31:40 AM
I agree with you. Australia in particular, is the most racist country in the world! Second is the USA. In Australia a non white knows his place. Maybe that's why our white brothers are flocking over there....By the way, a general statement is usually true for most but not for all. (please post this time :-)

Jedi Master 7/18/2008 11:32:54 AM
Firstly to be a Prof you need a minimum of 3 degrees, graduate degree - honours degree - doctrual degree + thesis, and yes his opinions should be noticed, and in fact are correct. To overcome and move forward we have to face up to fact and deal with it not go into denial, lest we repeat the mistakes. This response is stereotyipical of an individual blinkering the past and not able to move forward - concerned about the mother

John Smith 7/18/2008 11:33:48 AM
write an article about the Black Youth Complexities. There lack of pushing for education, there laziness to learn, there inefficiency to run any form of business. There constant demand for Hand outs. (Not Really!) This is generalization of a culture. Just like the professor?s statement. You cannot assume something about everyone, based on the actions of some. Think before you speak. (Sorry if I offended anyone, just trying to make a point here)

Cepe 7/18/2008 11:34:00 AM
It most probably is a generalisation. Unfortunately it is probably also true that any effort to argue successfully against the perception of "black incompetence, black greed, black barbarism and black retaliation" is too easily negated by Media coverage of very real occurrences that supports this perception ? and is sadly, often supported by personal experiences. A sad reality of our society which could only be addressed by a general change in mindsets which should start at the top.

sss 7/18/2008 11:37:51 AM
The prof was correct.

The Native 7/18/2008 11:38:08 AM
News 24 why i you publishing such articles on this day, could have chosen another day. In respesct of the Old Man let's just forget our differences for once,hold hands and sing happy birth day for Madiba.

turbo_superboss 7/18/2008 11:40:45 AM
where did I say all germans are nazis? if you can't read properly don't comment on what you read

anon 7/18/2008 11:41:52 AM
He's just a professor, that doesn't mean he knows anything. If he's not taken seriously he isn't causing any harm. All you the text above is written because people take him seriously. Personally, I think my day would've been better if I haven't read any of this. It's conversations like these that make us negative and depressed about the state of our nation. Enjoy the day!

OB1 7/18/2008 11:42:31 AM
be careful, you're being a hypocrite, your comments are more of the same just yours are against english speaking ppl. look, every race, tribe, culture has had its blemishes at some point in history, if we continually dredge up those blemishes to use against people today we'll never unite and never move forward.

Alu 7/18/2008 11:44:22 AM
confirm what the Prof has stated. ENOUGH SAID!

jannie 7/18/2008 11:44:23 AM
"...are some whites...who need to be mentioned as they also do not contribute to nation building.." Its not the point of the article. Then Julius Malema and clown Vavi should be mentioned as well, but it is not the point.

BigBang 7/18/2008 11:44:38 AM
Yes I am for sure. Why not, we have to enclose ourselves in suburban prisons to give our kids kind of a safe upbringing. The land is ruled by criminals, blacks only shout racism when it is white people doing things against blacks, to be white nowadays is a bit politically incorrect. (Not only in SA). So yes, I am white, Afrikaans, angry, not a youth and I am staying.

morena 7/18/2008 11:45:10 AM
the afrikaaner cultures is build on racism thats a fact and yes 95% of afrikaaners are racists and so is the ANC but to thier defence they also want to feel how it is like to look down on people beacuse of thier skin and its working fine for them cause they are getting damn rich, so afrikaaners you only have yourself to blame

Grace 7/18/2008 11:45:26 AM
If the shoe fits, wear it! I see we are all feeling very sensitive today. I would like to respond to Hugo about the British, Concentration Camps, etc. Yes the British did all that, they have never denied it. However it was the Afrikaans who actually wrote into LAW apartheid policies & mechanisms. There is a human conditio inherent in all of us - we stick with what we know & who we know. The Afrikaans took it to the extreme.

Francois Roux 7/18/2008 11:46:13 AM
...that many young Afrikaners are harbouring the same feelings their parents do towards blacks, but through no fault of their own. How long did government think they could implement BEE/AA, negatively affecting white youths futures that were born after 94', and not turn them into racists? You create your own racists, by excluding minorities from the mainstream, based on skin colour.

M 7/18/2008 11:46:35 AM
But the article wasn't meant to promote racists comments by black people on this site either (and they should not be published!Get the point News24?). Its about shedding light on the Afrikaans youths and white youths in general.It is meant for white Afrikaners to reflect on themselves. And to my knowledge his article is quite accurate.It would be nice for News24 to publish other research on other cultures and races too. Its now a bit too one-sided

bekkie 7/18/2008 11:47:23 AM
The white students did not flabber the black because he was speaking to a white girl, they flabbered him because the black was saying disrespectful things. Oh, they did not KILL him they just gave him a hiding.

Hansie 7/18/2008 11:48:00 AM
To al readers: The word Afrikaner is afrikaans for african, therefore the statement in english would be that african youth are angry. spot on.

Tourist 7/18/2008 11:51:42 AM
Blacks says that, we, who were born in SA must leave. After hearing this every single day of my life , I FEEL LIKE A TOURIST IN MY OWN COUNTRY. So much for the "Welcome to South Africa" campaign. Plz treat me then like a tourist and behave!

Riaan 7/18/2008 11:51:57 AM
We live in a country where work is scarce and the colour of your skin is more important than competence. Our people are brutally murdered and raped every day, most of these crimes being committed by blacks. Democracy has benefited mostly the elite black politicians. Incompetent government officials go unpunished, corruption is tolerated and those that make waves by doing their jobs properly are dismissed. These are not values of an integrated society. Our moral compass is broken!

TC 7/18/2008 11:52:06 AM
Cant we all just be South Africans, move forward and build a better future for ALL. I understand goverments policies on AA and BEE, but I think it creates more racial tension - reversed apartheid?

tbos 7/18/2008 11:54:00 AM
We all know racism is rife in,SA but for MADIBA's sake lets try to live in,harmony black&white .Like real'RAINBOW NATION'.

CTheB 7/18/2008 11:55:06 AM
Did you read the article? It starts with 'many' and 'Afrikaner', but he's eventually making statements about 'whites'.

Willem 7/18/2008 11:55:28 AM
This is just brilliant... He cited the Waterkloof Four, the Reitz residence "initiation" video, and the Skierlik killings as examples. This was horrendous acts, but COME ON, what about the rape of elderly woman and children, farm murders, everyday headlines of brutal attacks and killing for R200 and a cellphone, telling and "asking" fellow supporters to kill for Zuma!!! Prof, lets meet, then you can write how a white laaitie kicked your arse...and not 'cause of the colour of skin!!!

Johan 7/18/2008 11:55:49 AM
Maybe the prof should do some research on which race/language is the MOST racist??Should be some interesting reading.I am afrikaans and damn proud of it!!!I am not going to perth and i am NOT racist.Im staying in sa to help build this country...!!!

Chris 7/18/2008 11:57:46 AM
The last time the media had anything bad on afrikaners which they could blow up out of preportion was the reitz story.So they will use they very scarse oppurtunities to put the afrikaners in a bad light.Look at all the funny question that were ask about christian attending a meeting in Natal.They are scared,looking for a leader etc,Our ancestors are the dutch and the are seen as the most tolerant towards foreigners. Put it in your pipe.

wank wank 7/18/2008 11:58:07 AM
European Africans should stop calling themselves Africans.If you are GATVOL,FOKOFF,go and look for your ancestors,they lost you.

OB1 7/18/2008 11:58:19 AM
Racism is not necessarily inheritted. It can be instilled by in individuals simply by them observing there circumstances. Is it so hard to believe, when so much hatred is directed toward white youths by blacks for things they didn't even do, when they're not allowed jobs cos they're not black, when the majority of crime (especially violent) is inflicted upon them by blacks. Is it really any wonder why they BECOME racist? its the same way blacks became racist. Why are Youth league youths racist?

Hennie 7/18/2008 12:00:06 PM
Why not just reclassify all ?White Afrikaners? as ?Racists? and get it over with, despite our best efforts we are constantly labeled as such anyway.

Kenneth 7/18/2008 12:00:31 PM
In my opinion, I believe that we as people ought to develop a more inclusive approach and perspective; there is going to be trouble whenever any perceived grouping is marginalised or is penalised for mistakes committed in the past and by a previous generation altogether. Whether white or black or whatever, every human being must be given the same rights of full participation in all relevant areas of life so as to fulfil their potentials as human beings. Everyone is meant to be great!

cameron 7/18/2008 12:01:03 PM
At the end of the day everyone one of us is just trying to make our way in the world. everyone has an element of rascism, bigotry sexsism blah blah blah in there personality its only when you lose the plot and kill someone that it becomes an issue.

MOB 7/18/2008 12:01:18 PM
People in high places can say what they want without any consequences these days,, it's called "Freedom of speech"??? TWAK Thank you for your article, I could not agree more! The people in the SA today are the people who wants to build it it up and develop it... Safety and Security minister should have said "If you are not going to help develop the country and try to the destruct it, you must leave the country" Here is my list of other high profile people who just do and say stupid things The list goes on, the health minister, JZ, ANCYL Leader, Energy minerals Minster, Health minister, Eskom and now this professor or the maybe the journalist? I think the reason for allot of these outbursts are aimed at the wrong people are that whites are sick of crime and farm murders, and all the other South-African races are also sick of crime. Our focus should be to alleviate poverty and get rid of criminals?

Boesman 7/18/2008 12:01:20 PM
I'm a young Afrikaner, and though I do not cling to prejudice, I know how this will end: In full blown anarchy. We wait for the inevitable...

OB1 7/18/2008 12:01:42 PM
Despite the fact that whites are disadvantaged in this country, they are in fact, contrary to your assertions, of the MOST Patriotic citizens. They contribute as much if not more to nation building, they are proportionately far more productive than blacks (Hows that for generalising? If you can do it then so can we all).

The Native 7/18/2008 12:02:08 PM
The spelling is "We" and not "whe" because i see you have repeated the word several times.....now what were you saying about "stupid" policies??????

pieter 7/18/2008 12:02:33 PM
well you say whe inherited it...one question then. Where does all the viewpoints that young black youths have come from.You are white so you have a lot so I can take and steal cause you owe me....i can tell you...also from their parents, societies and peer groups!!

Koning Dawid 7/18/2008 12:02:48 PM
If the ANC should continue with their propaganda and race hate, you will see a social uprise and war withing the next few years or even months within our borders. There are more people prepared then what they think.

John 7/18/2008 12:03:48 PM
I disagree that whites benefited from the old regime as they created a bubble fro themselves by not understanding other cultures and people. Most Afrikaners don't have a single non-white friend, and find it difficult to deal with other cultures. They are unfortunatley now dealing with cultures from Asia which is unknown to them. If they stop jumping to the UK(how times have changed) Oz and New Zealand , they will understand the world better. Soon there will be no white havens. Asia will dominate

proud to be white 7/18/2008 12:04:28 PM
Dude,you are so wrong,why do you say the FF+,soldarity and afriforum are racist?Just because they look after the intrests of the afrikaner?Whe are according to the constitution,entitled to freedom of choice,I choose who I associate myself with,I have plenty black friends,but you are the type of person who is anti-white,and believes all whites are these evil racists,but look at your own kind,like the ANCYL,who are the biggest racists in this country,it's people like you that make us angry!!!!!

Eden 7/18/2008 12:06:18 PM
It is just too easy to target the Afrikaaners. It is so politically correct in this country where the black racists make BEE to get all their useless ones in positions and ruin the country from top to bottom. They then have to do a mugabe to hide their racism and stuff up so they attack the whites. It is easy for a person to ride on these coat tails and milk himself some glory. And no, I am not an afrikaaner.

black diamond 7/18/2008 12:09:58 PM
People should start understanding that the Whites will NEVER be tolerated by the Blacks in this country,ever. Afrikaners will always be racist, one way or the other and Blacks will always resist. This is Africa 4 Blacks, if you cant deal with them, you better start packing

White_African 7/18/2008 12:10:05 PM
stop being so argumentative. Everyone makes statements from time to time. I'm sure you're probably very opiniated about your own belief and convictions. get a life !

turbo_superboss 7/18/2008 12:11:08 PM
where did I say ALL germans believe in the nazi doctrine?

Puhleez 7/18/2008 12:15:33 PM
Of course it did. So Prof, unless you are a racist yourself, it should make sense to you that the ANC's black nationalist (reverse-apartheid) policies are going to anger the whites. Get rid of the ANC's politcally correct apartheid, so that the reconciliation begin! Otherwise, reap what you sow, Mbeki!

steminibos 7/18/2008 12:15:39 PM
Let the prof think as he will, the reality is that the we are losing a generation of Afrikaner youth in RSA, not being responsible for Apartheid, but being discriminated against none the less. These kids are "Kinders van die wereld" and will succeed regradless of this prejudice, their gain will be SA's loss, where will the new Chris Barnard,JM Coetzee,Ernie Els,Francois Pienaar, Charlize Theron,FW de Klerk,Jan Smuts etc come from? to name a few.. they will represent OZ,USA,UK,NZ etc, what a sham.

Mr T 7/18/2008 12:15:45 PM
Hey -- "afrikaners is plesierig" Please would all read up on there history. The Boers was oppressed by the English and there the "Groot Trek" We are a peace loving nation - but will protect our own when needed.

Puhleez 7/18/2008 12:16:22 PM
Of course it did. So Prof, unless you are a racist yourself, it should make sense to you that the ANC's black nationalist (reverse-apartheid) policies are going to anger the whites. Get rid of the ANC's politcally correct apartheid, so that the reconciliation begin! Otherwise, reap what you sow, Mbeki!

Matrix 7/18/2008 12:17:37 PM
Almost ALL commentators on this forum need to rethink their racist comments before making a judgement. 1st it was the racist apartheid regime, then came the democratic racist regime, then the youthe reflected the new state of racism. YES, RSA IS RACIST & will be for generations to come. The flavour of racism will be determined by who is in power. Hence, Me & my family emmigrating to not so racist country. If ever RSA resolves this issue, we may return. Will take a monumental change of attitude!!!

Mzekezeke 7/18/2008 12:17:41 PM
Sir the Prof is Jonahtan Jansen. Jansen was delivering the 5th Annual Bishop Hans Brenninkmeijer memorial lecture. Does that still qualify him as a black nationalist?

Lee 7/18/2008 12:22:29 PM
To Fraud: "You said in Australia a non white knows his place." What is the place of a non white?

Tuffy 7/18/2008 12:22:34 PM
Mind informing us where and how you obtained your qualifications? Sounds like it should be withdrawn, as was the honorary degree/s bestowed on Mugabe....

Robert 7/18/2008 12:22:44 PM
All generalizations are dangerous ;)

hein 7/18/2008 12:22:47 PM
Saying that 'most afrikaner youth' are angry racists holds just as much water as saying 'most black youths' are uneducated criminals. Both sides need to take a look at themselves before taking shot at each other. I dare say that there are as many black racists in SA as there are white ones... Why do I have to feel ashamed to be a white Afrikaner? My culture is steeped in pride/determination.

Matrix 7/18/2008 12:23:04 PM
Current regime MUST change their attitude & policies to "level the playing fields". BB/BEE, EE/AA is an example of what I am referring to. Also forced integration has never worked anywhere in the world. Look at current Obama case. Natural (takes time) integration does work. Look at our own history of peacefull transition from white to black power. The aftermath is where power hungry fools distorted what could have been. Reconcilliation, good idea, ONLY IF buy in from all. Clearly did not happen.

Tuffy 7/18/2008 12:28:15 PM
Gee whiz, miracles never cease to happen. Was this a merit appointment or another affirmative action figure-head bugle-blowing exercise?

Puhleez 7/18/2008 12:28:25 PM
Of course it did. So Prof, unless you are a racist yourself, it should make sense to you that the ANC's black nationalist (reverse-apartheid) policies are going to anger the whites. Get rid of the ANC's politcally correct apartheid, so that the reconciliation begin! Otherwise, reap what you sow, Mbeki!

Dirty Frank 7/18/2008 12:28:46 PM
I'm in absolute agreement! South Africa has 43 million people, yet some "experts" think they can generalize us all into some category. They probably do it to help their feeble minds cope with the complexity of thinking about a large number (43 million). Putting everybody in a box reduces that number to something more manageable (maybe 10 or so). The only problem: it does not work. Various studies have concluded that stereo-typing is artificial and generally untrue.

Matrix 7/18/2008 12:29:01 PM
Lets agree what the REAL PROBLEM IS, only then will we be able to fix it. Untill then everybody loses. Cultures WILL NEVER FULLY INTEGRATE. Skin coulour should not matter. Change starts with yourself, then expands. Why not try it? Will make everyone more happy, except people like Kolobe & cronies. They are obviously focussed on incitement, instigation, indoctrination, intimidation, etc. One day they might relise the error of their ways, when they are isolated. Shame, take pity on them & JR.

WSAW 7/18/2008 12:31:41 PM
It is the arrogant, vindictive, ignorant, racist, vile, deceitful, unjust, ?we are blameless, we have never done anything wrong? and ?holier than thou? attitude that we have to PUT UP WITH, just because we are white.Hatred wasn?t taught to me by my people, it was made known to me by your people. Stop blaming everything you are responsible for on white people!

Mike 7/18/2008 12:33:30 PM
Hugo, if you still carry the english/afrikaaner boer war chip on your shoulder, how can you expect black south africans to get rid of the chip on theirs? Secondly, ALL white south africans are sick and tired of being blamed for everything and relegated to second class citizenry status through legislation such as BEE etc. The "Professor" opinion was definately sensationalist and negatively inciteful in nature and should be abhored. Come now, lets build a nation, not some pustulent crime pot.

Ange 7/18/2008 12:33:31 PM
You might want to read the first word of the Prof's article where it was stated that 'many' NOT 'all' Afrikaans youths are angry. Obviously it is not all but a point is being made that I believe to be true. One only has to look at the many angry groups created by young afrikaaners on social networking sites like facebook and myspace to get a feel for afrikaaner youth anger...its frightening. Witseun you are not doing the afrikaaner youth any favour with your racist comments either.

japes 7/18/2008 12:33:49 PM
Always disappointing to hear a supposedly learned person keeping racism alive with a few isolated examples while ignoring the rampant crime and corruption in SA. I reckon Jansen is an AA appointment and has to spout these things to keep his job and his statement shows how bitter and angry he actually is. Let's move on.

alpha 7/18/2008 12:34:24 PM
this is pan africanism. why will the white youth be angry? majority rules now, but the whites get no oppurtunity to study, work and co-exist, so yes they will get angry because of all the Reversed-apartheid policies, which is 1000% worse than the actual previous apartheid regime. Wake up!Look around and see the decay of incompetance!!!!

shane 7/18/2008 12:39:15 PM
Although the professor generalized allot and I agree that you can?t do that there are allot of us that are angry. They are angry because the government of today is only Englishmen with black skins. The same measures used by the imperialists to marginalize my language and my culture are used by the gov of today (Reason for the start of the ANGLO-BOER war). My people are being raped and murdered one by one on farms and in the cities (by their natural enemy for almost 400 years) and nothing is being done. Their livestock are being stolen (the same cause of the border wars with the Xhosa?s a few hundred years back) and nothing is being done. The Boers where indeed made by their brush with other cultures in history.

Werner 7/18/2008 12:40:09 PM
To quote you, "They are either leaving, being killed or dying out anyway. Let them do it in peace. - Bridget" I am an Afrikaner. What do you mean by dying out? Us Afrikaners will still be here 100 years from now, we are resiliant like that!

James 7/18/2008 12:41:08 PM
The Brits started Apartheid? Sorry, that was the Boers. We had racial segregation but the abusive policy of Apartheid was something we joined in the fight against. So we gave the Boers a hard time over 100 years ago? Good! Serves you right for trying to oppress us.

eugy 7/18/2008 12:43:17 PM
No one can make you what you dont want to become,you should have kept that to yourself

Sean 7/18/2008 12:43:19 PM
Its a bandwagon thing.Everyone in the world who ever had indentured black saves is now being made to feel guilty for the evils of slavery and black oppression.I fought FOR black equality and freedom but beco I am white, I am simply cut from the same cloth as those ppl the prof refers to.Prof-stop fuelling the fires of racism.There are some ppl like that but largely most ppl are conciliatory

Eden 7/18/2008 12:45:11 PM
Wake up there is a party. It is called the Inkatha Freedom party. Did you vote for them?

sibu 7/18/2008 12:45:45 PM
you just have to read the racist drivel that get s written on this forum on a daily basis to see that the prof is right. and its the same names that spew out this racist crap, i know what comments to expect from them

Afrikaner 7/18/2008 12:55:16 PM
I take it you applied and got denied to both countries then. Yip there policy is to allow people that WORK and not just consume. SO my brother, why not stop the silly comments and get to WORK. Google it if you need an explenation on what WORK is: www.google.co.za

Tsotsi van vrystaat 7/18/2008 12:55:40 PM
Grew up in free state, worked for the Afrikaans speaking. It was hard. But it helped me to work hard and empower myself. But today I have good afrikaans, english, darkie friends. Life is good. I don't care about the past. If you give me attitude I give you attitude. If you are good to me same here. I don't judge people. Maybe we should learn something from Madiba. Who knows what he could have been..had the circumstances been different. Use the past positively and stop this nonsense. Life is good.

Sinudeity 7/18/2008 12:56:34 PM
Mandela himself said "Let the opressed not become the opressor". Meanwhile, we have to deal with criminals that rob and murder mostly from 'rich whites'. You have racist BEE policies and nepotism. You have outspoken black politicians promoting violence, and 'racist labeling' government officials, who dont like it if we dont agree with them. Maybe our cultures dont see eye to eye, but the Africans and Afrikaners are that, Africans.

rich 7/18/2008 12:57:49 PM
This whole forum is a load of Hogwash, Racism exists in every sphere of every South Africans life. It is around us 24/7 and to generalise is it to young white persons only is a pointless exercise. Everyone in this country, no matter if they're black, white or coloured has racist tendencies. So why not look at the overall problem that exists? Racism from all.... But not a solution in sight.

Pangea 7/18/2008 1:02:09 PM
I think the prof might be wrong. I know a lot of young Afrikaners that have rejected the poisonous Christian-nationalism nonsense of the past and are beginning to think for themselves.If you want to meet some real racist you need look no further than white Americans and Aussies.

anon 7/18/2008 1:03:40 PM
The professor sounds much like the "NUTTY PROFESSOR" can not place any value to his survey. Sour grapes,trying to stir up trouble as I'm sure you don't have to be a rocket scientist to see that both the white and black youth have taken giant steps to unite with each other.

petepan 7/18/2008 1:04:02 PM
By your logic and generalisation, if it's is ok to make statements like this is it ok to come to the conclusion then that all Muslims are terrorist and all black people are murderers, rapist, and xenophobic racists? Because like you said Colin, "there are some who do act and live there lives in line with it". I would like to see what the public response would be if some prof make a statement like that about our black brothers.

Observer 7/18/2008 1:04:06 PM
The many responses to the original article of the, now famously infamous, 'Prof' proves that perceived racism and perceived lack of belonging by some socia-economic groups remains a sensitive topic. This leads me to ask the questions; are these 'real' negative issues or could they perhaps be ascribable to psychosomatic conditions? Hey, I'm wasting my time venturing down this avenue all together...or perhaps true food for thought. Regards to my fellow contrymen, what ever your ethnicity.

David Qwale 7/18/2008 1:07:00 PM
If a white person said that MOST blacks will be voting ANC, that would be partially true, am I right?. well its same as when the proffessor says that SOME if not most white youth beliefs and behaviours mirrored those of their parents - "who upheld, supported and benefited from white domination in the decades before they were born"-. its only natural for a parent to inculcate their own beliefs into their offspring. like any black parent would tell their kids how bad the boere were.

Mellivora 7/18/2008 1:11:19 PM
I'm a white afr. pensioner. Reading through the comments the truth emerged, real problem is SA policy, not treating citizens equally! Not just ANC government. Prior to Nats an afr. kid had to stand in the corner with DONKEY card round neck if he spoke afr. in class and blacks were also 2nd class citizens. Nats tried to rectify but discriminated against blacks now ANC governm. does same through BEE etc. TREAT ALL CITIZENS EQUAL - and they will start treating each other as equals!!!

garrigah! 7/18/2008 1:11:23 PM
Spot-on! A man who finally shows his true colours about white people. I have a lot of them, and they are DEFINITELY NOT angry and disillusioned. What do you call a black man who does the same thing? Acceptable? Dont think so.

J 7/18/2008 1:14:22 PM
I am getting fed up with people using the past as an excuse. Get over yourself....it's been 14 years. It's those people who live in the past, that is keeping South Africa from it's future.

Matrix 7/18/2008 1:16:57 PM
Do you deny that you were born in Africa? If you were, then you are "african". The english word translated into "afrikaans" language as "afrikaner". Eish... !!!

Jeni 7/18/2008 1:18:23 PM
I think either church leaders or government, should have workshops around the country encouring all communities to attend, to sit down and discuss the intolerences created of each other's cultures/beliefs over many years in a civilised and controlled manner, also to find solutions to be accepted on all levels (all races). Communication is key. The TRC effort, was not sufficient in my view. This country has a lot of healing to do with the guidance of our leaders. A country that speaks as one!

David Qwale 7/18/2008 1:20:33 PM
many of not most South Africans across the racila and coulor divide have their ownnperception of the opposite race, and that is what makes our white brothers and sister feel like they feel about Proff Jansen's lecture we need to be look at comments with an open mind and put ourselves in the shoes of the those who feel offended. its only then will be able to understand the what and the why

shane 7/18/2008 1:25:26 PM
Just like the other people on this forum with no conception of history and whose knowledge only stetches as far as apartheid.To any person that has something to say about Afrikaners they need to brush up on their history as this is what Afrikaners are made of.And sorry to dissapoint you the first laws was written in the cape in 1830 under British rule taken further by Rhodes and Shepstone in the 1860's and only then taken further by Afrikaners to protect thier people after the genocide camps.

Jafta 7/18/2008 1:27:37 PM
I appreciate the great Prof's statements. Not because they are true, but because then I am also allowed to generalise. e.g. There are more black criminals than white criminals, therefore all black are criminals! Thism akes as much sense as his statements! The damage that such statements make are far reaching, even to the point of treason as it is paralising the progress that South Africa started in April, 1994. He should be put out of his and South Africa's misery like any old or useless horse!

anon 7/18/2008 1:30:20 PM
I think you guys missed my point. It's just that I refuse to be labeled by this professor. And I think it would be best for all to just ignore idiots like him, just like the idiots in the ANCYL, ANCLWL, ANC, DP, NNP, FF+ etc... See where I'm going with this? The number 1 problem in this country isn't racism or government. It's idiocy that is the root.

proud to be white 7/18/2008 1:31:07 PM
By stupid policies I mean,BEE,AA,the gun control act,all these laws are designed to try and keep the white man down,but as history has shown,the afrikaner will never be kept down,he will rise up against being persecuted,people like you and all the other idiots defending this so-called professor,need to remember one thing,you can push and push the afrikaner,but wait until he decides to strike back,whe are more prepared than you and the ANC might think!!!!!!!!

eugy 7/18/2008 1:36:18 PM
Things dont just change overnight,white or black people aren't going to love each other simply because everyone is allowed to vote. And the sooner we realise that the better.The honest truth is white people want to see blacks fail, and black people want to show white people how it felt to be discriminated against. And if we keep ignoring these facts,things will just keep getting worse. We need to deal with issues affecting south africans and stop acting like one big happy family

Don 7/18/2008 1:38:33 PM
Who cares. I'll only be Afrikaans for another 10 months, then I'll be an Aussie. I hope this country goes to hell. I have hated this plase since birth anyway. Glad to get the hell out of here. So tired of hearing about politics. I don't want any part in it.

irene madiba 7/18/2008 1:42:28 PM
we waste time on useless topic rather find solution than complains

Sinudeity 7/18/2008 1:43:42 PM
Or start fighting back. You REALLY dont want that.

Fraud 7/18/2008 1:51:08 PM
I actually hold an honours degree in applied mathematics, and have turned down a couple of job opportunities in the UK. So work has nothing to do with it, coz i'm skilled, educated and IN DEMAND all over the world! My comments were just based on observations and experinces of others. Let's face it, Australia is a black-less South Africa. Paradise for whites.

Sinudeity 7/18/2008 2:02:20 PM
I see this as a forum for people raising issues and concerns. Like I said, the government is making me racist, from their own racism. And most black folks are too 'loyal' to their 'saviours' to realise how mismanaged our country is! When I renew my drivers license, and the gov worker cant be bothered to help me, cause Im white? Working my ass off, to not be promoted, over a lazy idiot, cause he's black? Why not look at yourselves abit too? There are problems, you just dont want to see them.

Dean 7/18/2008 2:02:22 PM
Accussing just one section of South African society will do nothing more than make the situation worse. Nothing will change until everyone from all religious/cultural/colour backgrounds decide to put the past behind them(not to forget, but to forgive and move on)and work to make South Africa shine every day as it did back in 1994.

Willie 7/18/2008 2:03:47 PM
I am afrikaans and white. I have children born after 94. They are not at all tought by myself or my wife in any way to harbour hatred and to become dangerous. I teach them love and respect for others as its written: "Do unto others what you want them to do unto you!" --- enough!!!

Frikkie 7/18/2008 2:07:34 PM
I read the article on Beeld and thought, what?s the point? Why the fuss? Why it was even published? You would think as a Prof he would use spastics to proof his points, because with out it the is only a biased opinionated article. So what?s the point???

BigBang 7/18/2008 2:23:26 PM
I check the news everyday to see if hi-jackers or burglars has been shot dead, every time I see that I have a small celebration at home. That is the best news in this country. (Like the idiot found in the tree in Kempton). I am a racist and it is people like you that made me so, prior 94 I was a liberal supporting the struggle, now the only struggle left is the ANC with their brainpower.

Jafta 7/18/2008 2:33:51 PM
If only the newly/freshly liberated groups did the good and decent things in life BETTER than the pre-1994 ruling group (race?) did, and not consistantly do the bad things better than pre-1994, then.... One can only dream! Today's high fences, boomed off areas and billion rand security industry gives credence to the "angry white youth's" perception of the major race group. Are my observations above a result of generalising as well, and therefore inaccurate?

paula 7/18/2008 2:49:26 PM
The hangover of the past seems to impact older people more. My eldest son regards racial issues as a non-issue and my younger son tends to have more black friends than white friends, but generally they and their peers seems colour-blind. We need to outlive and outgrow the past or lose out on the opportunities that are available to those who can adapt - that is true for blacks (get over the past) and whites (get used to the future).

Pete 7/18/2008 2:52:38 PM
Thanks but no thanks - I really do not want this country to go to hell, because I happen to love it - what a crass thing to wish for. Do you like others to suffer? Besides with an attitude like yours I predict your problems will go with you, always until you grow up.

Grace 7/18/2008 3:00:45 PM
Touché Shane, I do know my history so worry no further. To news24, you could not have picked a better tribute to Nelson Mandela - democracy, of a kind, is alive & well in South Africa! At least we here on this forum are TALKING to each other. Now go & spread the word and have a good weekend. And a very happy birthday to Madiba!

Kris 7/18/2008 3:14:19 PM
What a pitty! Everybody is digging into his or her own comfortable trenches throwing mud at the other side or whoever dares to walk in the middle. By doing so you are avoiding doing your own (uncomfortable) soul searching. We all seem to have very different ideas by what we mean with words like racism and patriotism. If we have different meanings for these basic principles, perhaps we should first start clarifying the basics before starting arguments based on these terms.

My heritage 7/18/2008 3:23:39 PM
I am a young Afrikaans speaking individual, and I must admit, I am frustrated about what is going on in my country. I make my own decisions about racism and form my own opnions. To use the word angry are not right. Rather acknowledge that the people in SA are frustrated. Anger leads to hatred, and hatred to violence. Prof states people are angry, and point the whites out as the guilty ones. Yes, he does have the right to his opinion, but a Prof should know better than making these generalistions.

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2008 A4 1.8T Multitronics from R 269 000

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Discovery 3 2.7 TDV6 SE 4x4 Dsl AT
2006
R 319,990.00

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A4 2.0 TDi Ambition Dsl MY09
2009
R 347,700.00

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2008
R 269,900.00

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