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Roads are for cars, not bikes

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2008-06-03 10:31

Dear Editor,

Another cyclist has been knocked over and killed in Durban. To make matters worse the motorist sped off from the scene. This is totally unacceptable and I hope the guilty motorist is caught and faces the full force of the law.

However, let's look at this incident from another point of view. Our roads are the most dangerous in the world and to try and safely ride a bicycle on them is madness. Cyclists are also to blame for these cycle accidents; not only do they ignore the road rules but they also become aggressive and rude when a motorist points this out to them.

How often do we see cyclists riding three or four abreast? How often do we see them ride through red robots? How often do we see them ride up on the pavements at intersections so as to avoid the red robot?

A case in point: last Sunday I was driving along Manning road, approaching the intersection of Manning and Macdonald. The robot was green in my favour. The next minute about seven cyclists came from the opposite direction and went straight through the red robot. I hooted at them and in return was sworn at and given the middle finger.

Gents, if you are reading this, you were in the wrong. If I had not suddenly applied my brakes a number of you would now be dead or seriously injured. And me? I would have been labelled by the cycling fraternity as another senseless motorist who has no care for cyclists on the road.

Wake up guys and girls! Riding on public roads is dangerous and let's be honest, roads are for cars, not bicycles.

Dave Puttick

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Sarah 6/3/2008 10:39:46 AM
So really, the question is, am I allowed to drive AT them, when they ride 4 abreast, have their marshall stop traffic flow (even when the robots are green) so that the "girls on lawnmowers" gang can all cross the intersection safely? Our roads are a mess, & so long as Metro focus on fining speedsters, rather than moving violations, we will have to endure the poor driving/cycling/lawnmower racing skills on offer.

donrico 6/3/2008 10:42:57 AM
I agree 100%

James 6/3/2008 10:45:45 AM
Unfortunately there are very few law-abiding cyclists. To add to Dave Puttick's points, who started the stupid craze of riding a bicycle on the wrong side of the road? Have you ever taken a left-hand bend, only to meet a cyclist coming the other way? Of course they blame the car driver for that, too. Cyclists make the road dangerous for themselves and others around them. I have little sympathy for their complaints.

Richard 6/3/2008 10:46:14 AM
Dave,it is unfair and irresponsible to generalise about cyclists in the way you have.You have one bad experience with a single group of cyclists and now all cyclists are unsafe,aggressive road users?I'll have you know that the rest of us are responsible and courteous on the road whilst cycling.I - as I'm sure more will - take offence to your emotional,ill-conceived rant.The roads are not for cars only and us cyclists will continue to share it with you whether you like it or not.Get a life.

Calvin Mkhize 6/3/2008 10:47:24 AM
You should be considerate of other road users such as pedestrians & cyclist. I normally make way for cyclist and I don't hoot at them because they will panick and cause unnecessary accidents on our roads. Be patient and don't be rude to them because they are also entitled to use the road. K53 state that we should be on the look out for other road users and be considerate at all times.

James 6/3/2008 10:49:17 AM
I think that the cyclist problem is just an extension of South African society. South Africans do not like to follow rules, then they have the audacity to complain about the crime rate that they have created.

Angry 6/3/2008 10:51:03 AM
Well clearly you have no concideration for other people, roads are national infrastructure and as such are for The people of the counrty. by saying they are for cars not bikes you are saying they are for the elite few. Roads are for all moads of transport. The issue we have is that people dont acnowledge this. Road rules apply to all road users and need to be enforced on all road users. Cycests, padestrians Cars and motorbikes a like

Ernst 6/3/2008 10:51:55 AM
Lets get something clear... when you buy a car, you don't buy the road with it! Motorists are the most arrogant of all. I ride a bike to work everyday. It saves me time and fuel through traffic. It also gives me a vantage point from where I can see all the bad habits motorists have. Swiftly changing lanes without any observation or indication, talking away on cell phones, doing make-up in the rv mirror, changing cd's or tuning the radio, smoking out your car windows...

Cyclist 6/3/2008 10:52:07 AM
Isn?t it time we all took a little time and think clearly who is to blame. This feud has been going on some time and to me there are but a few solutions. Dedicated cycle lanes, stricter law enforcement and tolerance of they neighbors. Look at any country in Europe, the streets arte3 full of cyclists and everybody is happy. Can?t we make it work in SA. Of course not, we are too selfish!

Ewald 6/3/2008 10:52:21 AM
dear drivers where would you like us to ride then? I cycle, i follow the rules, i still get threatened by taxis when I confront them for breaking the law and putting me in danger. The law is that roads are not for cars, they are for road users and I am also a road user. Don't judge all of us because a few can't follow the rules. And if you can't put a smile on your face, get out there on a bike and experience it for yourself. it will change your life forever!

Nick 6/3/2008 10:52:35 AM
I agree with Dave a lot here Esp the first 5 Paragraphs, but come on "Road are for cars not Bicycles" what planet did you get off. If a motorist leaves the scene of the accident and caught he should be locked up for life.

ben 6/3/2008 10:52:50 AM
oh so roads are only for cars?so no trucks,no taxi's,no 4x4's,no padestrians?you can only use the road if you are in a car?everybody has the right to use the roads in this country.yes i agree riding 4 a breast is freaking stupid and asking for trouble.but there is a reason they do it.when riding in single file,cars take more risks to pass you.they take the smallest gap between the cyclist and the on coming car and end up knocking the cyclist over. if you ride 4 a breast its safer for the cyclist.

Sarah 6/3/2008 10:52:51 AM
You hit the nail on the head.

AJ 6/3/2008 10:53:12 AM
on our roads is required for Motorists, Cyclists and Motorbikes, Scooters and the like to move around safely. Maturity is what is lacking on all fronts whether your car is a million rand or 10 grand. Sadly we are not up to this challenge.

James 6/3/2008 10:54:46 AM
Why should be people be patient with other people who break the rules? The rules of the road include a concept of "right of way". Cyclist idiots need to learn this concept or continue to cry from their hospital beds.

Point Blank 6/3/2008 10:54:49 AM
The cyclist was killed while riding in a cyclists demarkated lane. This driver was clearly either drunk or stoned or was deliberatley gunning for the cyclists. I have never had a problem with cyclists and in turn they have never had a problem with me. Stop being so selfish and aggresive and start caring about all people in this country!!! Get over your self indulgent attitudes.

True Blue SA 6/3/2008 10:54:55 AM
Your article was progressing well .....until you said roads are not for bicycles. You forget, most cyclists are motorists as well. And where, pray tell, did you read/hear that roads are not for cyclists? Yes, many cyclists are also to blame for bad road usage, but motorists are to blame as well. Your last comment has no substance. Mr Puttick - get a life.......

Gerhard 6/3/2008 10:55:08 AM
In Roodekrans we have those 4-wheeler quad bikes (no license plates) driving through the intersections early on Sunday mornings waking up the entire neighbourhood and not stopping for anything alive, dog, man, woman, duck. Perhaps a large truck and them will meet one good morning.....the cyclists in our area predominantly are two abreat, and reckons that the roads belong to them on Sunday mornings. Well, I make sure that I avoid them, but they are playing Russian Roulette with there lifes...

Ewald 6/3/2008 10:56:03 AM
Calvin Mkhize - you're a legend!

Dillon 6/3/2008 10:56:27 AM
I agree with you totally, I'll stick to mountain biking. My wife had a run in last year with a cyclist, who happened to be a lawyer, it got expensive. 3 witnesses suddenly appeared and he had a back injury. I hope to bump into him at 94.7... On Saturday morning, a group of cyclists were in no intention of stopping at a stop street. She made them stop. They were obviously unimpressed, I told them what to do with themselves - turns out they are only men when there are 10 of them and 1 of you.

bongani 6/3/2008 10:56:33 AM
Agreed roads are for motorised vechiles. Take you bicycly to a track and ride it there.

Truth 6/3/2008 10:56:45 AM
I hate cyclists on the road, simply because they seem to think they are above the traffic laws! I have seen a number of them speed through red lights, stop streets, etc! If a cyclist is hit whilst running a red light or a stop street, they will get no compassion from me! If they want to ride on the roads, the least they could do is follow the rules like the rest of us, and not endanger us with their recklessness!!!

Off Roader 6/3/2008 10:56:54 AM
Yster wen vleis. Use common sense when using our roads. I am a cyclist, motorist and biker and common sense and respect for the law (which can not be interpreted differently depending on your mode of transport) and those around me is what has kept me alive. That and quick reflexes. :)

Ernst 6/3/2008 10:58:27 AM
When I ride my motorcycle I have no distractions (cellphones, radios, passengers, smoking) and I am absolutely focused on riding and have much greater situational awareness than any motorist. Yet, when a motorist is surprised because they did not see a bike approaching they have the nerve to call bikers arrogant? The road is for everyone's use... sadly, selfishness is so deeply entrenched in South African's that it shows very clearly in the way they drive! Dave, please get a life!

japes 6/3/2008 10:58:30 AM
Sure the four abreast through red robots is irritating and such cyclists should be sanctioned (fine, race restriction etc). But generally the guys killed are alone or with one or two companions, often inside the yellow line. It's really an SA issue of tolerance, efficient policing and experienced driving and cycling. Similar for xenophobia come to think of it.

Daneil Steenkamp 6/3/2008 10:59:37 AM
The original patent for tarmac was held by the American league of wheelers to make cycling more user friendly. THUS ROADS WERE ORIGINALLY MADE FOR CYCLING. Cycling should play an important role in our society and should be promoted. Cyclists should obey the law (I commute to work by bicycle and follow the rules)So should motorists. The road safety act clearly shows that the road is for pedestrians, cyclists and motorists. Let's share

thatotherguy 6/3/2008 11:01:04 AM
I stay close to Nelmapius in Centurion. There are always cyclists on that very narrow and dangerous stretch of road. I have no problem with them and go out of my way to accomodate them, but they make life very difficult for motorists.

n 6/3/2008 11:01:18 AM
In Magaliessig, cyclists drive abreast four or five at a time, One of these days a lot of cyclists are going to die, and i mean it, on Leslie West. Trust me.

Win 6/3/2008 11:01:21 AM
I obey the rules of the road and cycle by myself to avoid the unnecessary road cloggings of other cyclists. And what do I get, I woman taking me out on my bike avoiding another f%$^ing idiot who didn't indicate. My bikes smashed, I have memory problems now due to my head injuries, I can't yet cycle. Exercise is a no go for me. So please piss off with your letter and first get other drivers to adhere to the laws of the road first because they the ones who cause MOST of the accidents of cyclists.

Ewald 6/3/2008 11:02:08 AM
SO let's make a statement against rising fuel prices and those who can't be patient and ride our bikes to work!

Justin 6/3/2008 11:02:23 AM
The inherent hatred from some motorists towards cyclists comes from jealousy. Cyclists are mostly fit and in shape. On the other hand, these motorists are usualy overweight and not able to get off their fat arses to do any exercise.

Mark 6/3/2008 11:05:13 AM
You are nothing more than an ignorant twit. Because you do not have a Harley, making dumb inane statements shows your stupidity. Yes, I am one of those Harley riders, and there are times when we ride in huge packs and the marshals block intersections. What you fail to realise is that a lot of the time we are doing good work raising money for charities and good causes. We have a smuch right to be on the roads as you do. No, you are not allowed to ride at them. Sit and admire!!

Carl H 6/3/2008 11:06:15 AM
I have seen with my own eyes a cyclist jump the red robot cnr of Silverton & Musgave rd, Dbn on a Saturday morning a few years back, the selfish bastard slammed straight into an 80 year old women who had just started to cross the road on the"green man' signal. I have no sympathy for any cyclists.

psycobabble 6/3/2008 11:06:57 AM
You epitomise the arrogance of cyclists.Dave has a valid point here by the example he used.Your attitude leaves me with the idea that when you as a cyclist gets on the road you are prepared to die or get seriously injured so you could'nt give a shit although you say otherwise.Well as he must get used to it cyclists will continue to be killed,you catch a wake up,tosser, cause you could be next!Tell your buddies in the peloton.

terence 6/3/2008 11:08:07 AM
south aricans are a bunch of lazy useless fools who chill at work picking their noses. Perhaps more people should ride to work on their bicycles ensuring that cyclists have right of way on the roads and cyclists come first as they do in the netherland. belgium, germany and spain. Tram services should also be installed aorund the fourways area and main parts of cape town and durban. Come now south africa catch a bloody wake up.

mxhosakazi 6/3/2008 11:08:13 AM
I have been guilty of nearly knocking cyclists on the road. After these incidents I have been on the alert, I first check for cars and cyclist especially when changing lanes. I am so sorry to all those I nearly knocked - the lessons taught at driving schools should also focus on motor cycles as the focus is more on cars. the "think bike" camapigns are also making us aware of you guys. We really need to be more alert on the road!

BigBang 6/3/2008 11:09:56 AM
So please follow the rules, also keep in mind general physics. Cycle being the smallest will damage the most when in an accident, Motorcycle slightly bigger but with more power will also come second when confronted by a Cage (Car), a car involved in an accident with a truck will also pick up the most damage. So everyone, keep this in mind before you ignore the rules or drive in front of a bigger vehicle. Use simple common sense, roads are for everyone.

Branden 6/3/2008 11:11:40 AM
Agreed - Roads aren't only for cars, I ride a Motorbike, But I am also courteous and understand that if I pick a fight with a car, i will come off second best, so I ride accordingly. The issue I have is not sharing the road, it is courteousy from both sides, and yes when I do get the finger from a cyclist for giving them a quick hoot to tell them i am trying to pass their 3 abreast riding up oxford road or the side road off Corlett, I do have visions of nudging their back tyre with my bull bar.

WAM 6/3/2008 11:11:55 AM
The roads are for ALL law abiding people. This excludes people speeding, driving without plates, talking on a cell phone, driving through red lights, cyclists riding 4 abreast etc etc. i.e. take out about 50% of the non-law abiding and the roads will be pleasure.

Badger 6/3/2008 11:12:11 AM
...I feel less and I will drive over them, most cyclist's think they have the right of way and own the road. I have had a couple of close shaves with some of them and they give ME the finger. To you cyclists out there be warned, next time, I WILL NOT BRAKE !!!

Bici 6/3/2008 11:12:48 AM
I cannot believe that there is not enough consideration for cyclists. There should be more cyclists on the road. We need a better infrastructure and laws in place to accommodate them. There should be more people getting fit and reducing carbon emissions.

The Native 6/3/2008 11:13:33 AM
Another bad and dangerous behaviour is by motor cyclists who likes riding between cars during peak traffic in Gauteng roads. That behaviour is very danderous and by law illegal...i've seen an accident where a motor cyclist smashed into the back of a car that was changing lanes and legally the driver of the car was not at fault.

ben 6/3/2008 11:13:57 AM
...but with a twist. ive been in incidents as well and now i ride in the middle of the lane. screw the cars, seriously. ive tried playing fair and end up getting knocked over. so the only way for me to be safe is by taking up space on the road thus ensuring cars have to slow down and wont knock me over. as for going through red robots, that is stupid whether your on a bike or in a car.

Brandon 6/3/2008 11:14:04 AM
I agree with the sentiment that some cyclists do not obey the rules of the road. But, I think it is unfair to say that the roads are for cars & not bicycles. Where do you expect cyclists to ride then? However, you are correct in saying that our roads are not safe for cyclists. About 2 weeks ago I witnessed a cyclist being knocked down while he was cycling correctly. The driver, coincidentally driving a courtesy car, had a beer in his hand. It takes 2 to tango & motorists also need to do their bit

Daneil Steenkamp 6/3/2008 11:15:28 AM
As a cyclist and motorist, I think the main issue here is actually policing. Motorists get away with speeding, skiping robots, skiping stop streets and so forth. Cyclists get away with skipping stop streets and breaking the law. Get the metro police to do their jobs and generally fine EVERYONE who breaks the law!!!

Alicia 6/3/2008 11:15:46 AM
In every country in the world there are thousands of bicycles on the roads & byroads...that is the mode of travel i.e Europe. We are going to see more and more of it here. I want to buy a bicycle. If motorcar drivers were more tolerant, drove slower, they would save money re less petrol, get to work much calmer. Come on, no one owns the road...do you really want to kill someone. Buy a bike, ride it..you won't know yourself in a few weeks. Be a sharing, caring nation. Everyone can't afford cars.

Let's all work together 6/3/2008 11:16:40 AM
Guys, you all make valid points from all sides of the view and I hope with all good intent. So how about we all take consideration for each other and all South Africans who uses the road. Let's all remind each other to obey the law, be considerate, less swearing and finger pointing. Guys, mindless killing and crime is all we South Africans are being remembered for, let's not tear each other apart as well, let's have safer roads and teach and provide our children with a better future.

MTBetter 6/3/2008 11:17:37 AM
Forget a boring road bike, get a mountain bike and go to dedicated parks. easy... AND if you are a bloke you don't have to wear tights, shave your legs OR walk funny :)

Daneil Steenkamp 6/3/2008 11:18:50 AM
65% of urban traffic is parents taking their kids to school. If our kids can get back on bikes to get to school, traffic will be much better. Furthermore parents will drive more safely, as their kids will be on the road on bikes. Furthermore, our kids will be less obese. Let us work together to promote cycling, not shoot it down

Gman 6/3/2008 11:19:50 AM
I agree with the sentiments - I also have been sworn at after sounding my horn to warn cyclists that I was behind them,4 guys weaving around the road and stopping traffic. These cyclists also drive cars, I don't understand why they are so arrogant, it seems that they think that motorists are out to get them, which is not the case. I say tax them for the road use or ban them!

The Truth 6/3/2008 11:20:13 AM
Can we please include joggers and other drivers as well?I forget how many zap signs I have received from joggers,cyclists & other motorists for merely politely hooting to warn them that they were in the wrong.

Julian 6/3/2008 11:20:37 AM
You've really highlighted the ignorance of drivers out there.Your comment is really narrow minded and inconsiderate.I think it's a clear indication of your(and others who believe this sort of crap to be true)lack of driving skills. You should observe what's happening around you - you'll find then that all of a sudden less cyclists will 'appear out of nowhere'.Perhaps you should give cycling a try Dave instead of judging us from your car - does wonders for your shape n will rid u of that anger ;)

Rodders 6/3/2008 11:20:45 AM
I am quite patient and happy to accommodate all cyclists that obey the rules, but don't blame me if you get knocked over if you're riding five abreast or jumping red robots. Conversely, car drivers ALSO need to understand that there are rules - you need to indicate when changing lanes, keep left, pass right, always be aware of your surroundings and NO TALKING ON THE PHONE WHILE DRIVING!!!!

Poorboy 6/3/2008 11:21:38 AM
BIG-UP to the City of Cape Town! The new bike lanes running the length of Blouberg are awesome!! If you have not discovered the joy of cycling yet, get a bike, get fit, have a better life!!

Branden 6/3/2008 11:22:05 AM
Lane Splitting is not illegal - Go get a legal opinion and get a life. The only people who have a problem with lane splitting are the idiots who change lanes before they indicate or need the white line to drive straight. Courtesy and awareness from all are the key.

Craig 6/3/2008 11:23:02 AM
The psychology of road users is the problem. An example is how drivers close gaps in traffic as quickly as possible in case another vehicle manages to get in between them and the car in front, even if this does nothing to ultimately speed their progress. Road users in general have little courtesy and scant regard for the rules, yet somehow believe that whatever action they take is justified. Cyclists are not the issue here, the problem is the wider misuse of the roads.

MJ 6/3/2008 11:23:37 AM
Roads are also for bikes, but then they must obey the same rules. I have also had to brake and swerve to avoid a cyclist jumping a red robot, I hooted, and he gave me an impolite gesture. I should not have swerved I think.

ASE 6/3/2008 11:24:17 AM
This article is a bad generalisation of cyclists. Some people have no choice but to go around on bicycles and they are acting within the laws to do that. Everyone need to respect all other road users and pedestrians, no matter what your mode of transport is.

Russell 6/3/2008 11:25:10 AM
So Dave I assume that you never break any of the road rules every day, how many times did you exceed the speed limit in the last month ? How many times have you taken a call while driving? You are a hypocrite for saying that cyclists disobey the rules, every motorist does as well, go on set the example I dare you. By the way just about every cyclist who has been killed was riding on his own or in single file as motorists simple do not see them, bunches are visible.

Johnf 6/3/2008 11:26:07 AM
Try it, you won't look back!

on the sadle 6/3/2008 11:26:50 AM
I run & cycle but must agree that cyclist do not adhere to traffic rules especially the faster riders,what I would like to know do cyclist have a license to use the road because I don't. rider

on the sadle 6/3/2008 11:26:58 AM
I run & cycle but must agree that cyclist do not adhere to traffic rules especially the faster riders,what I would like to know do cyclist have a license to use the road because I don't. rider

proud to be white 6/3/2008 11:29:27 AM
I for one do not have a problem with cyclists using the road,those roads are paid for by everybody's taxes,so everybody has the right to use the roads,I have a problem with cyclist who ignore the rules,driving 3 or 4 abreast,going through red robots,and all that,and if you tell me that they did wrong,you are the one who gets threatened and sworn at,maybe whe should start fighting back,get out of your car and smack them around a bit.

Ewald 6/3/2008 11:29:43 AM
I have not been cycling for very long, but it changed my life and I love the sport. I very often have "close calls", but I also often see motorists who treat me like another road user and will give me the right of way when I should have it like when I stop first at a stop street. A BIG THANKS TO ALL OF YOU! not everyone in the world is a DAVE!

Conrizzle 6/3/2008 11:29:53 AM
Roads are for everyone, but I do agree on some of your points. Maybe if there were less potholes bikers wouldn't have to swerve in front of cars. Also bike lanes might be a solution. More people are going to switch to biking with the petrol price and environmental issues.

Sarah 6/3/2008 11:30:30 AM
I am afraid you missed the point. Your group are breaking the law. Should you plan a charity drive, try and get the LAW involved, so that you are not quite such a danger to yourselves & others. Please refer to part 2 of my post where I mention that our roads would be safer if they were policed correctly. My definition of a twit is someone who paid shedloads of money for a(bike?) which doesn't come with ABS & deliberately drives in front of cars...

Cyclist 6/3/2008 11:30:39 AM
Hi Dave You're logic does not hold. The solution is to make the roads safer. In Europe the road belongs to the cyclist. Attituteds need to change.

kaiser 6/3/2008 11:30:42 AM
they must ryde on the pavment motorist pay for the road every year going to the traffic dept and queing for half of a day..cyclist get off our roads

charlie 6/3/2008 11:31:31 AM
I ride motorcycle to work and on a daily bais I get some fool who is late and doesnt look or indicate and I have to make way or even stop for my onw safety. Car drivers are plain lazy to look out for other road users , Thats why I will kick your door in if you turn in front of me !!

n 6/3/2008 11:32:34 AM
you are a 'Harley dingbat" ah ah ah ah ah ah Sarah you made my day.

Ernst 6/3/2008 11:32:52 AM
Your ignorance speaks volumes! It has never been illegal for motorcycles to ride between cars in traffic! As for your example with the bike crashing into the back of a car changing lanes... if the driver of the car had practiced observation as required for K53 licence test he would have seen the bike and would have been able to avoid the accident! The K53 devensive driving test is there for a reason!

Conack 6/3/2008 11:34:57 AM
Cars > Cycles. Living in George, cyclists and pedestrians are huge annoyances. I won't generalize as 9/10 times it's the cyclists who cycle to work who are the culprits, not the ones using it for exercise/sport. The bastards seem to have no care if it's safe or not, they just go over an intersection without considering traffic. Also, atleast twice a week i find myself violently cursing an idiot who simply walks over the street WITHOUT LOOKING if it's safe. Just a matter of time till i knock one

Truth 6/3/2008 11:35:32 AM
Well put...I have experienced that many a times, and sometimes out of sheer spite. I always give way to people, it doesnt slow me down or hurt me! Also maturity is severely lacking, just recently, I had a group of b1tches in the car ahead of me, brake test me whilst they were doing 90 km/hr on the fast lane! Then those dogs had the audacity to laugh. I now understand why people get road rage, and dont blame them!

Tinus Marais 6/3/2008 11:35:39 AM
It's always sad to read and experience this intollerance and hatred by some people against us runners and cyclists. Many ride unacceptable & we condemn that - just like many cars/taxis, but you are to a coward to attack them because we are easy targets. We do tri-athlon and ride/run single file, and will ALWAYS be on road as the law indicate we can - if there were were another option we would definitely not choose dangerous roads. If you decide to kill us, at least we die doing something we love!

TruthBeTold 6/3/2008 11:35:45 AM
I ride a custom chopper, not a Harley. Sarah, with an attitude like yours you need a smack. Leave your car make and registration number, so all bike riders can look out for you. And The Native, riding between cars on a bike, also called "Lane Splitting" is perfectly legal. Get your facts straight. Stop being jealous because you are stuck in your cage while the bikers cruise past. Idiot.

JTA 6/3/2008 11:36:35 AM
I apologise if I am wrong but don't legitimate road users pay to use the roads via yearly license fees. Do cyclists pay a license fee? If yes, then they are legitimate road users. In addition without generalising, the cyclists I have had the misfortune to encounter have displayed very arrogant attitudes, have disregarded the rules of the road and are a disaster waiting to happen. Apologise to those cyclists who do obey the rules and ensure that the lives of all road users are not compromised.

Gary 6/3/2008 11:37:38 AM
Agreed 100%. If ui have to choose between a cyclist and a head on collision with another car. Guess what i'll choose? Here in PRETORIA, you will find them in PEAK hour, on a single lane rd. Its absurd and they should be banned from using high traffic areas.

navs 6/3/2008 11:38:28 AM
I always wondered where to use the word Dingbat. Boy oh Boy, Sarah you have just given me an idea. Whenever i see a Harley, I shall see a Dingbat on one of them. Ah hooray for Sarah. 3 cheers for Sarah

Jack 6/3/2008 11:40:52 AM
For you idiots that say cyclists don't belong on the road. I ride every weekend. Why don't u try your bravery with ME, and move me off the road. We will soon see how quickly you become another statistic! Learn to share or move to the desert!

chan 6/3/2008 11:40:53 AM
fingerpointing as usual ignoring facts, & this works both ways with IDIOT motorists as well, all parties need to obey rules & be considerate. nice to talk like that till its ur family friend killed & wasn't in the way.SA ppl are rude, selfish & inconsiderate & thats why there's all these issues here, its not just about u!

Phantom UK 6/3/2008 11:41:09 AM
In the UK people just drive slower than in SA. In suburban areas the speed limit is 30mph. The roads are much narrower and yet people do cycle here and drivers of motorcars are much more patient. I think the problem is the average South African mentality.

biker, cyclist and driver 6/3/2008 11:41:11 AM
Mr puttick - i suggest your licence be revoked IMMEDIATELY. kindly go to http://www.transport.gov.za/library/regulations/1999/roadregs00.html and READ the traffic regulations to stupid ignorate twit. the roads are for transport - of any sort.

Sick 6/3/2008 11:42:39 AM
If they pay a lisence fee, as all motorized transport do, I won't have a problem to share the road with them. Maybe then cyclist can also claim against the road accedent fund ?

Matrix 6/3/2008 11:43:04 AM
Then all roadusers will get a real experience of what the writer of this article is refering to. Appreciated, some wont be able to due to personnal condition, but those that can, should. This INCLUDES THE FATCATS that spend our TAXES and are partly responsible for the higher fule prices. I suppose criminals would also be out in full force to exploit this situation. Ah, solution, get "biker cops"!!!

Barry 6/3/2008 11:43:15 AM
Roads are a public domain, for the use of all modes of transport, animal drawn vehicles, all sorts. We need to be more considerate and respectful of others, that's the bottom line. Each side has a point, but together we can make space for everyone, just chill on the roads, you'll not get where you are going any later when driving in urban areas and will be in a better mood when you get there!

Biker 6/3/2008 11:44:18 AM
Roads are not just for cars, they are for bikes too. While I agree with some of what you have say, there are a lot of cyclists out there that do adhere to the law of the road. I ride a bike, and have more problems with car drivers than with people on bicycles. I ride every day and Sundays and come across the same amount of cars and cyclists. But it's the cars that cause my blood to boil. So get your facts straight, roads are for people who pay license to drive/ride on them, not just for cars.

Maanda 6/3/2008 11:44:32 AM
Correct!!!!1

bob 6/3/2008 11:45:49 AM
to all you cyclist lovers. try and negotiate your car etc in Cape Town around these idiots especially Chapmans Peak, Sea Point etc. who insist on riding in packs on single lanes. Cyclists can have as much attitude as they wish. However, if its between one of them and a truck...sorry its gonna be one of them.

Henk 6/3/2008 11:46:05 AM
Both sides are guilty, but only one pays with their lives. The problem is that most cyclists who are killed are not the ones riding irresponsibly. Unfortunately this is just another part of the If-I-can-get-away-with-it-I-will selfish way of thinking rife in South Africa, which is why our crime rate is so high.

Win 6/3/2008 11:46:29 AM
I agree with that. No matter how most cyclists obey the rules of the road you get those idiots out there and then the whole car driving public label all cyclists the same. Since taxi's drive like assholes maybe we should then label the rest of the drivers as the same. We have the right to that space to cycle as any driver is allowed to drive on that road. I'm always (was) considerate until that woman smacked me.No matter how some people are considerate, you will always have that doos on the road.

FedUp 6/3/2008 11:47:25 AM
The cyclists in cape town especially the ones who travel on marine drive are most arrogant. They think nothing of blocking an entire lane and refuse to move aside for motorists. They cut corners and put their lives at risk. And then they give u the finger

Johnf 6/3/2008 11:48:04 AM
You are clearly an unhappy person with some issues. Perhaps you should get a bike and start cycling, you will look better, feel better, and maybe feel a sense of belonging to something that might even put a smile on your deeply unhappy face!

anon 6/3/2008 11:48:20 AM
there are way too many cars on the road as it is, whats wrong with people cycling? and for that matter, i would hazard to say that the majority of cyclists err on the side of caution for the simple and logical reason that if an accident does occur, the cyclist is more likely to be hurt or killed than the driver of a car. duh.

XBS 6/3/2008 11:49:56 AM
People who ride bicycles as a means of transport are not the problem, the "sport/exercise" cyclists are. If you look at their comments, I now understand why they ride in peak traffic, next to each other and on roads without emergency lanes.....their to stupid to know better... get a mountain bike and stay of the road, your stupidity endangers me and my family!!!

Mark 6/3/2008 11:50:56 AM
Are you tring to make a point? If so, what is it? The discussion revolves around road usage, and the entitlement of ALL to use the road. This is not a space to increase your vocabulary.

Pietbril 6/3/2008 11:51:10 AM
I believe some cyclists need to be run over. What are those idiots doing 5 in the afternoon on Ontdekkers and Hendrik Potgier anyway?? They can only blame themselves if they are killed. Roads were firstly built for and are paid for & maintained by the taxes of new Vehicles & Fuel. Pietbril

barry 6/3/2008 11:52:16 AM
Let's be honest, most road users are unable to: Make a right turn without cutting corner. Understand road markings. Understand a stop sign. Count to 4 at a 4-way stop. Understand pedestrians have right of way on car parks. Understand that fog lights are for poor visibility but still drive with them switched on in perfectly clear conditions at night. Until the majority either learn the basics or "I have a 4x4, SUV, BMW," type arrogance the carnage will continue. Barry

Daneil Steenkamp 6/3/2008 11:52:21 AM
If bikes needed licesces, I would have one. Please do not blame cyclists for not having licenses. We have no choice. Oh, by the way, I have a car licence, pay taxes and cause much less damage to roads when I am on my bike

ian 6/3/2008 11:52:41 AM
did most of you actually read the article - Dave did not generalise, but put forth both sides of the story. i travel along the M4 between Durban and Ballito and will confirm that most of the cyclists (read not all) ride 3 of 4 abreast. Do any of you realise how unsafe this is? i have no issue with cyclists using a public road, but please guys, be safe and be fair.

bob 6/3/2008 11:54:22 AM
just to inform you..."lane splitting" as you put it is ONLY legal if the traffic is STATIONARY - AKA not moving else it is ILLEGAL. The law clearly states that you may ONLY pass (overtake) one vehicle at a time unless it is stationary. sigh!

Mark 6/3/2008 11:54:33 AM
You sound like a mechanic who has stepped out of the movie Flashdance. So last seaon! My bike has ABS. The reason we ride in front of cars is that the cars are too slow to get ahead. Get a bike and get a life! Or come for a ride, and change your mind and attitude

Johan 6/3/2008 11:54:50 AM
I think it is time for the law to come down hard on cyclists too. They should also by law be forced to have their ID doucument with them all the time. If car and motorcycle drivers skip a red robot they get fined why are cyclist and pedestrains above the law.

shane 6/3/2008 11:55:03 AM
"How often do we see ....... riding three or four abreast? How often do we see them ride through red robots? How often do we see them ride up on the pavements at intersections so as to avoid the red robot?"Sounds like you are writing about the couple of hundred taxis I saw this morning and not cyclists.You could rather have written about them then a cyclist that doesnt bother anyone.

stormin 6/3/2008 11:55:57 AM
Dave - you are most certainly the most idiotic person that I have come across who ventured to put a ridiculous thought to paper. Who died and made you decide who can and who cannot use our roads. Your views are typical of a motorist who has never owned a bicycle or motor bike in your life. I cannot understand you - it is clear that you are brain dead from the knees up. Get a bloody life and stop writing crap

Testbed 6/3/2008 11:57:02 AM
I see bad cycling habits over and over again. Last week in a slip off road which I was taking I had 1 cyclist on my inside and 2 abreast on the outside whilst they decided which route to take. I had to thread my way between them and then got verbally abused. The roads are for all forms of transport but a bike is always going to come off second best, so best you be careful cyclists.

richard 6/3/2008 11:57:59 AM
Lets have a moratorium on road spending then and create an extensive non-motorised/cycle network. Nice and safe and no more dodging speeding slobs in their "performance vehicles".

john 6/3/2008 12:00:40 PM
LIKE THE FOUR WHEEL OR MORE DRIVEN VEHICLES ON OUR ROADS, SO MUST THE TWO WHEELERS HAVE A LICENCE TO USE A ROAD. INSTEAD THEN OF BEING IN THE WAY ATLEAST THEY CAN VALIDATE THEIR OCCUPYING ROAD SPACE. john

License brigade 6/3/2008 12:02:58 PM
I recall in my childhood that any bike had to have a license attached to it. Why was this done away with? We,as road users, have have to pay a yearly license fee PER CAR for the luxury of using our roads, why are we not then enforcing licensing on each bike as well anymore? Even better, a test for each cyclist to get a "cycle license" would be great to ensure that cyclists are aware of the road etiquette and safety when cycling on open roads? I for one would feel far friendlier to cyclists!

Robert 6/3/2008 12:03:11 PM
Where I stay the roads are very narrow. So often at peak time we have bloody cyclists taking their time, holding countless cars up simply as there is no room to overtake. Common sense should come into play. The cyclists should use other roads or wait for quieter periods. But no... they seem to think that they own the road. I'll accept that once you are forced to license your bike!

carel 6/3/2008 12:03:55 PM
I agree with the subject - for those that have a problem with it: when cyclists are in a group, they act differently than when they are on their own, and take over the road, then I as the car driver is at fault?! When they are in an organised event, there are Metro Police and Race Marshalls around, which is not when they create the problem - this is done in their informal "Sundday drives" as a group

John Cardy 6/3/2008 12:05:00 PM
Not sure what it is about cyclists but when they get on their bikes at 6am on a Sunday morning they seem to suddenly think they own the roads. It's the riding 2-3 or more abreast that drives me insane. You will always come off second best against a car so ride single file. As for jack: Why don't u try your bravery with ME, and move me off the road. We will soon see how quickly you become another statistic! Straight forward internet hardman alert.

Hakuna Matata 6/3/2008 12:09:27 PM
The attitude on both sides of the fence is unbelievable!!! Let's see who can be the rudest of them all and cheer him/her all the way. Can't anyone argue a point without getting personal? There are a number of individuals who posted comments who must surely be miserable individuals!! OBJECTIVE = ACCOMODATE ALL. Don't you just hate people who cannot give constructive comments /solutions to a problem?

Safer Roads 6/3/2008 12:09:35 PM
It's up to us motorists to do our bit to make the roads safer. But please, cyclists have lights (front and rear) and reflectors on your bikes. Why aren't cyclists fined for ignoring this most basic requirement? The section of road where the most recent accident happened is extremely dark as all the street lights have been off recently. Durban Metro need to do a lot more to make roads safe for cyclists, runners and walkers. An education campaign would be a good start.

Nicky 6/3/2008 12:11:19 PM
I have to disagree with you Mr. Puttick. As South African motorists we have no tolerance levels what so ever. Road are for road users be that motor cars, bikes, cyclists etc and we have to be tolerant of each other. I cannot stand taxi's on the road but I have to be tolerant as they are also road users and I cannot knock them down every time I see one. I think your comments are out of line and immature. Roads are not only for cars!!!!

Z 6/3/2008 12:12:40 PM
I think the only solution to this is to have a small dedicated lane for cycling and jogging on the shoulder of the road. This can go a long way in alleviating trafic congestion as more people will(hopefully:)) start cycling to work.

muscles 6/3/2008 12:13:43 PM
Most cyclists give cars the courtesy of riding on the side of the road. There is no reason why they cant be 7 abreast taking the whole road - yes they are slower than those assholes who believe driving at 80 km/h through suburbs is perfectly fine, but most try keep the peace not like the motorists who cant wait 5 seconds for a cyclist to pass - why is everyone in such a rush?? There should be bike paths like in the UK - the government is to blame for this both the past and present.

muscles 6/3/2008 12:14:03 PM
Most cyclists give cars the courtesy of riding on the side of the road. There is no reason why they cant be 7 abreast taking the whole road - yes they are slower than those assholes who believe driving at 80 km/h through suburbs is perfectly fine, but most try keep the peace not like the motorists who cant wait 5 seconds for a cyclist to pass - why is everyone in such a rush?? There should be bike paths like in the UK - the government is to blame for this both the past and present.

Wonder 6/3/2008 12:15:19 PM
Dave, I agree. Let them argue until they are blue in the face, our streets/roads are just not built for bicycles, especially if traffic laws are, apparently, not for them as well. Social cycling had become big in the RSA and, apparently, carries some snobistic value in certain circles. If these people do need to get rid of surplus adrenaline, why don't they use the back streets instead? The actions you describe have become a rule - I also experience this every day.

colin 6/3/2008 12:15:28 PM
Dont have a problem with runners and bikes using the road, but look at the stats the people in the cars are not getting hurt.Just think that if you are less protected take extra precaution as our roads are not safe at the best of times.

Dusty 6/3/2008 12:16:36 PM
There's a difference between a guy on a bike and a cyclist. The idiot in lycra who wants to exercise along a busy main road in rush hour before he goes to work - he's a cyclist. The one using the bike to GET to work - he's a guy on a bike. He's the one using the road for transport, not the cyclist. Cyclists are twats. The reason they take such awful risks is because they're all filthy rich and they can afford to sue if you so much as breathe on them.

Bilbo 6/3/2008 12:17:01 PM
Bringing a law into effect does not stop the behavour. Visible policing etc is required to bring people back in line. How many people pass on a solid line. This is against the law yet so many people do it. If we had visible policing and the traffic cops actualy knew when a law was broken and fined the guilty this would change behavour. When I was young TC's used to crap on us if we cycled next to one another. We needed light and even a "klokkie".

MajorPain 6/3/2008 12:18:12 PM
Usually, when marshalls are stopping traffic for a procession of motorbikes it means that there is some charitable event in progress. Shame on you for being in a hurry to go do some shopping or whatever, while these guys and girls go out of their way to make life so much easier for someone in need. Also, if more people used bikes to go to work traffic would be so much less congested. Live to ride. Ride to live.

tt 6/3/2008 12:18:25 PM
Soon we will all be on bikes 2009 petrol will be like R50/l if not more.

Z 6/3/2008 12:19:22 PM
I think the only solution to this is to have a small dedicated lane for cycling and jogging on the shoulder of the road. This can go a long way in alleviating trafic congestion as more people will(hopefully:)) start cycling to work.

Earned 6/3/2008 12:21:53 PM
I do not agree with Richard. A motorist must pass a theory exam AND physical driving examination before he/she is allowed to drive on our roads. Any moron who can balance on a cycle are allowed on the same road. Who should be blamed when the 'unlicensed' cycler gets knocked over?

G 6/3/2008 12:22:15 PM
Generally motorists (suv's, cars, trucks, motorbikes even some taxis) pay a licence fee to use the road ie. they have a certain right to use the road, since cyclists do not pay, the least they can do is respect the rules of the road and those that pay to use the road.

charlie 6/3/2008 12:22:30 PM
Wake up dude , Lane splitting is not ilegal when you are on a motorbike. Stupid irretated motorists turn in front of motorcycles with out looking or indecating. Cars make you to lazy to turn your head or use your hands !!!

Johnf 6/3/2008 12:22:58 PM
a very good point. As rightful road users we can ride right in the middle of the road like many euro countries and cars would have to wait to pass. When you pass me tomorrow morning when I am riding on the side of the road, please remember that, it courtesy.

Agree - good article 6/3/2008 12:23:56 PM
They are arrogant and riding in bundles for kilometers. As a motorist, I sometime drove behind them for miles and cannot dare to hoot at them, because of the language they use and the aggression. I sometimes feel like just drove over them, I HATE THEM!!!!!

biker, cyclist and driver 6/3/2008 12:24:05 PM
It is legal to pass ANY vehicle, even if it is moving, provided it is safe to do so. It is ILLEGAL to deliberately block a vehicle from passing. Get your facts straight ingoramus! The number of people here who do NOT KNOW THE LAW is scary - no wonder our road death is so high. The sense of entitlement is also disgusting.

Excalibur 6/3/2008 12:26:11 PM
I am not a cyclist and also get irritated when they don't obey the law, but you tw@ts are telling me that their lack of consideration is worthy of the death penalty. NAVS - you absolute TOSSPOT. I DARE you to reveal your true identity and say that. You are probably a 5'5" weed that uses his car as an extension of his dick. Grow up, spend you time tracking down murderers to kill rather than people on bicycles. Seriously - you bunch of ignorant MORONS.

Flip 6/3/2008 12:27:12 PM
The roads are financed through taxes paid, not just license fees. So yes, I am a legitimate road user as I pay taxes.

Johnf 6/3/2008 12:27:27 PM
Bikes cause less polution, take up less space on the busy roads, cause less damage to the roads, are healthier, are affordable by the poor who should have been helped by the government a long time ago already. it could well be the mode of transport for the future. curse at those who brake the rules, but plase be patient to those who are trying to do their bit by cycling (and abiding to the law) rather than taking the car!

Nancy 6/3/2008 12:28:28 PM
In "olden" days a cyclist, had to behave, while riding, like a pedestrian. In other words, use the road as if, he or she was walking. Then we wouldn't see cyclists on freeways or busy roads. While at the intersection, a cyclist is not a car, is a pedestrian, cross the road on the zebra crossing when it is green. If people obeyed the rule we wouldn't have so many incidents.

Earned 6/3/2008 12:28:45 PM
I do not agree with Richard. A motorist must pass a theory exam AND physical driving examination before he/she is allowed to drive on our roads. Any moron who can balance on a cycle are allowed on the same road. Who should be blamed when the 'unlicensed' cycler gets knocked over?

gary 6/3/2008 12:31:29 PM
then tell us where we should walk and ride our bikes if roads are only for cars ...idiot

ALS 6/3/2008 12:32:33 PM
The government cannot even tend to the horrific main roads we have in this country. Potholes, crumbling paving stones, sand from trucks and building, non working robots and I could go on and on. Do you REALY think they are going to have dedicated lanes for cyclist and pedestrian? Funny!

Alicia 6/3/2008 12:32:56 PM
You're so right. I find the best way of getting into the next lane, is by not putting on the indicator light. If you do, you'll be stuck in your lane till Kingdom come's. I just take a changc, take a finger, get hooted at, but what the hell, I smile, I've had fun and I made it to the next lane.

Johnf 6/3/2008 12:33:09 PM
they are no longer with us.

Johan 6/3/2008 12:33:21 PM
Justin I can't believe you were willing to put something like that in writing. People who drive bicycles drive cars as well. They surely do not take the bike to go and buy groceries. Whatever you are driving does not determine your road manners. If you drive like a pig in a car, you will do the same on a bike. The same for people who drive bicycles. Everyone should wake up and realise that being a decent person is not defined by the number of wheels you have.

ian e 6/3/2008 12:34:58 PM
Motorbikes are allowed to cruise between cars (its called lane splitting) and its legal. Motorists are all so selfish in their cars, they don't consider the fact that people on bikes and motorbikes are decreasing congestion, saving fuel etc. Thats why I have no problem relieving you idiots of your rear view mirrors when you don't use them.

KB 6/3/2008 12:38:16 PM
Perhaps if the country, roads and infrastructure was as it should be, we'd have dedicated cycle lanes and people would be able to cycle in safety and also use a bike INSTEAD of a car. Truth is, Id never feel safe on a bike in this country full stop, and not just because of the idiot drivers that swamp the country too. For all those angry drivers, get over yourselves, cyclists are allowed to be on the road as much as you are. Blame the government as usual for this bugger up.

The Truth 6/3/2008 12:39:38 PM
I think the main problem is with attitudes like this guy's,the Lance Armstrong wannabes with their mountain bikes & flashy cycling gear to go with it.Not all cyclists are arrogant rulebreakers,just as not all motorists are.Just the select rotten few are.

Takalani 6/3/2008 12:41:00 PM
Stop generalising, because you are missing the point.We are talking about road side offenders and not about all South African's.Your foolishness failed you to recognise a specific section of our community that fails to abide by the law and you choose to say all South Africans, where are your manners chief. Deliberate on the issue and stop swearing at humble South Africans.

ZEE 6/3/2008 12:41:26 PM
If Cyclists are not allowed to ride on the roads then where should ride? What about the pedestrians that just cross roads where they feel like? Not all provances have clearly marked lanes set aside for cyclists. Have you actually read what you wrote, nothing makes sense. You should go back and re-think your article.

Wesley 6/3/2008 12:41:37 PM
Today @ 06h20am ,a group, I mean a group of cyclists are crossing the traffic light, but because they are so many, the traffic light changed to red on their side and they still continued to BEAT the red. its winter and its dark... my point....

KimPossible 6/3/2008 12:43:19 PM
James is correct - this is what it's all about. Fact is, there is an attitude of "me me me" in this country, regardless of the laws that may exist. There are cyclists that breach the laws and there are motorists who do - simple! The problem has to do with the individual's attitude and cannot be generalised.

Brett 6/3/2008 12:43:20 PM
A number of the comments reflect the attitude, and sometimes the aptitude, of the majority of SA roadusers. This misplaced sense of ownership of the roads by motor vehicle users, the total disregard, lack of courtesy and common sense as well as the blatant diregard for the rules of the road is regrettably commonplace. Everyone has the right to road use, everyone has the obligation to obey the rules thereof....some courtesy, common sense and a general regard for other roadusers...please!

muscles 6/3/2008 12:43:24 PM
Most cyclists give cars the courtesy of riding on the side of the road. There is no reason why they cant be 7 abreast taking the whole road - yes they are slower than those assholes who believe driving at 80 km/h through suburbs is perfectly fine, but most try keep the peace not like the motorists who cant wait 5 seconds for a cyclist to pass - why is everyone in such a rush?? There should be bike paths like in the UK - the government is to blame for this both the past and present.

psycobabble 6/3/2008 12:43:45 PM
Amashovashova race.It comes right past my property on the M13 near the Polo Fields.Can't move the whole day because of this bloody cycle race.Going to get some old engine oil and spray it on the road,then get my camping chair with a beer and watch the carnage when they all come through.If one of them puts a foot on my property I will set my dogs on them.They same goes for the noisebox harleys on sunday mornings.

Douglas 6/3/2008 12:43:52 PM
The fact that some motorists actually firmly believe that statement is the root cause of our problem with fatalities involving cyclists - and NOT the cyclists' behaviour. You try get that attitude past any sane person in Europe and see where you end up - and Europeans streets are much busier than ours! In this modern age of congestion and pollution, the use of bicycles as a form of transport should be encouraged and supported, not aggresively opposed. Catch a wake-up!

Ruari 6/3/2008 12:45:16 PM
So in my humble opinion, if we all practice obeying the law and a little respect there no problem. But as for the debate about paying to use the road, force that on cyclists and then they will have to ?use the lane?, any motorist happy to sit patiently behind a cyclist all the way to work? I think the system is fine, cyclists are kind enough to stick to the left, motorist get past easily and we all happy. Sure you do get a few A-Holes on each side of the fence, but then they usually the ones making the most noise. So are you one of those Loud mouth A-Holes I refer to? Think About it. PS to ?the Native? Lane splitting is legal, but there are also guidelines as to when and how to do it. I agree a Biker doing in excess of +-30Km/h faster then the flow of traffic is dangerous (IMHO). But pls check facts before jumping to conclusions. I drive/ride a Bakkie, Bikes, and Bicycle (Not all at once)- you should try it, really broadens you perspective a bit.

Trevor Mitchell 6/3/2008 12:45:37 PM
Allan Seager will be buried in Durban this week. Why don't you bring your big American vehicles along to the funeral and talk your game there. You are so brave and sure of yourselves, come and tell his wife and children how he deserved to die. The internet gives voices to cowards and the stupid. Now take your wisdom to the streets, and be brave enough to tell real people.

alan 6/3/2008 12:47:43 PM
Roads are for Vehicles, meaning, engine driven.We pay licences and taxes on fuel.I imagine a protion of this goes towards road maintenance.What do the cyclist contribute to.Nothing....Try hooting at a cyclist.Do the hoot test.See what their reactions are.

Biker 6/3/2008 12:48:23 PM
Agree 100% with James, Angry, Ernst and Bilbo. To The Native - you are wrong mate, motorcycles are legally allowed to move between traffic. It's called "filtering" or "lane-splitting". Catch a wake-up, just like 50% of all motorists need to...

kevin owen 6/3/2008 12:48:51 PM
There could well be a few law abiding cyclists somewhere in this country. I have not yet come across this animal however in all my years of motoring.

IWANTTORIDEMYBIKE 6/3/2008 12:50:51 PM
Look at European solution to the problem: 1. Cyclists has right of way 2. Speed limits are alot slower in most of Europe 3. There is serious consequenses for knocking down a cyclist Drivers are held liable in most cases. A few things that motorcar users don't realise: 1. Cycling abreast is safer. Cars tend to take risks passing single file riders. Just because its slower doesn't mean you have right of way. 2. Poor state of road shoulders makes it almost impossible to use them for cycling

Richard 6/3/2008 12:51:30 PM
All I said was that it is unfair that all cyclists be publicly branded in the way that dave has done,simply because he had 1 bad experience. That's all. What is there to disagree with? As for your argument:I am a licensed driver too+I also believe we really all need to be more tolerant on the roads though I acknowledge that too many untrained,unskilled people are allowed to cycle on major roadways.I personally would love to see a national cycling licence introduced.

Azonic 6/3/2008 12:52:23 PM
As a cyclist, I agree about the jumping of red robots. ALLOT of us do it and it is wrong. I stop whenever I can, and there arn't 50 other riders about to rear end me. Regarding your last statement about who really should be on the road, I do not agree at all. Bikes have just as much right as cars, motorists unfortunately just have a superiority complex.

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