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'Legalise abalone industry'

by Anon
2009-07-01 08:06

Dear Editor,

It has been reported in the past few weeks that illegal abalone worth millions of rands was once again confiscated by police in the Western Cape. This is however just the tip of the iceberg of this thriving illegal industry where poachers and the overseas markets make huge sums of money out of our country's natural resources. 

In order to prevent the depletion of abalone stock, the government thought it prudent to prevent the normal sports recreational diver of taking out any abalone for personal use.  It is however not the sports diver that is responsible for the problem, as divers previously have been doing this for decades.

Since the overseas demand for abalone increased over the past few years, the poaching increased which ultimately led to the depletion of the abalone stock. This industry should also not be viewed in isolation as it goes hand-in-hand with other illegal activities like money laundering, prostitution, gang activities, drug trafficking and the likes.

I know that local fisherman make their livelihood out of the ocean and I am not advocating that commercial diving for abalone should be stopped. The government should however look at other ways of stopping the poaching, as the current measures are not working and the situation is definitely out of control.

Why does government not allow sport divers and local fisherman to take out for example 2-3 abalones a day and then sell it to approved abalone farms? In this way the industry will be legalised (taxed) and it can be more effectively regulated in terms of the abalone stock (monitoring and protection). It has been proven in the past that if a well regulated industry is created, then the demand for the illegal product decreases.

It cannot be that difficult for divers to apply for a licence and be issued with a bar coded permit. Abalone collection and distribution points can then be created in coastal towns (job creation) and can be linked to a central computerised system in order to prevent divers from taking out more that their quota per day. The public can then be allowed to buy abalone at these venues and the rest can be destined for the export market.

This will allow local fisherman to legally earn there living from the ocean and the SA public to enjoy a traditional abalone meal.

Anon

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PoliticiansAreScum 7/1/2009 8:22:10 AM
You want the government to stop abalone poaching? After an ANC official was caught with thousands of rands worth of abalone in his boot?

Johan Britz 7/1/2009 8:22:14 AM
How is legalizing everything that is illegal supposed to make it better? Prostitution is wrong, lets make it legal! Pot is wrong, lets make it legal! Why would the "pearlies" we have in town take out 2-3 if they can take out 200 at once? Has nothing to do with being legal or not, its that inbred criminal element that prevails.

Shaun 7/1/2009 8:56:29 AM
These poachers are living in homes and can be/are identified, why not just do the obvious and crack down on them? When it comes to law enforcement,what is under control in this country?Citizens have to take control over Government corruption before anything ever happens.

no_name 7/1/2009 8:56:55 AM
Has this guy been sleeping? The commercial fishery is closed, there are hardly any abalone left! The poachers and the trade links need to be broken.

Alicia 7/1/2009 8:59:26 AM
@Johan - abalone in itself is not illegal like prostitution. I think by legally supplying in the demand, it will definately make better inroads in stopping the poaching. Look at the casino industry and the stats on the seizure of illegal gambling machines. More illegal machines have been confiscated than there are in casinos now. Most of these machines were seized before and at the time when the legal casino industry came about and has decreased at a staggering rate since. As far as I know this method for abelone was used with great success in Australia.

bongani 7/1/2009 8:59:30 AM
99% of abalone consfications has been in the Western Cape. DA has more support in this province, which means they are responsible for stealing abalone. The Goodwood DA member was recently arrested for stealing abalone. The guy who was recently arrested for killing Nadin was a DA member with a DA membership card found in the place of the incident. you can blame ANC as much as you like but some of us are not blind and we know these things.

AG 7/1/2009 9:01:33 AM
@Johan, mabe if the 2-3 perlies per person per day is put into the market, there would be no demand for the 200!

Louis 7/1/2009 9:04:42 AM
Gambling, trade on a Sunday, etc also used to be wrong, Johan Britz. And there is no such thing as an inbred criminal element. That suggests that some of are are inclined to be criminal and leaves choice out of th equation. It also ignores opportunity. Let's rather get back to pragmatism: Legalising allows the state to control the trade and earn revenue from it. Allowing divers into areas where to police are not patrolling at least gives you a chance of someone seeing the crime and hopefully reporting. We should have commercial abelone farms that also have an environmental mandate to return abelone to the open waters. There are many options. At least the debate should be opened to understand our options. Just calling it an inbred criminal tendency is over-simplifying the issue and os counter productive.

lekabisto 7/1/2009 9:06:24 AM
@Anon : You should know by now that this current government is incapable of planning and strategizing anything, and that exactly what u r suggesting they do! But who knows they thinking bout legalizing prostitution so maybe it might happen.keep on hoping!

Mandy @Johan Britz 7/1/2009 9:16:26 AM
Spot on comment. Agree 100%. To the Author - Kak article. Look around you pal - crime is the "african" way. Legalising it won't make it better. Don't be a plonker.

Prez 7/1/2009 9:23:55 AM
I agree with Anon. Take the Netherlands for example, since legalizing certain drugs the use and deaths linked to drug abuse has gone down tremendously, they are closing down prisons cause there aren't enough criminals anymore (and I'm not saying it's all drug related, but I'm sure you catch my drift, it all starts somewhere). A controlled problem is better than an uncontrolled one. The problem is how they are going to implement and manage the process if they legalize it; but without further corruption.. I don't think so, especially not in Africa.

SimonP 7/1/2009 9:24:50 AM
Why does the govt do nothing? The same reason it nothing about so many other things...it cant be bothered. Installing all the above measures would take time, manpower and the need for a minister to actually get up and do something. Its much easier to ignore it, who knows it might just go away.

Zulu 7/1/2009 9:27:56 AM
@Johan. You Do not know what you are talking about. It was always legal, but well regulated. They stopped the sport guy from taking out, even though we had a permit. Did this stop the poaching, no, it just left more for the poachers to take out. There is to much corruption high up. I agree with the writer... the government is making criminals out of people. If a guy could take out 2-3 perlemoen a day and sell it legally to the factory, he would have money for some food for a day or two, combine this with letting him take out 4 crayfish, and he will have money for a week. Now they ban the taking out, he still needs the money, so he poaches. Honest guy to a criminal in one step.

Typical 7/1/2009 9:29:07 AM
How typical! Treat the symptoms by creating these useless laws that cause the law abiding citizens to suffer while the law breakers just circumvent the new law and carry RIGHT on breaking the it anyway. Sounds a lot to me like they have nothing better to do in parliment... Why not create abalone farms and flood the market? Only then will the prices fall and the poachers won't make enough money to make the poaching sustainable.

Anon2 7/1/2009 9:30:57 AM
It's quite clear that Johan Britz has absolutely no idea what his talking about. Firstly, to suggest matter-of-factly that criminals have a 'inbred' physiological pre-disposition to crime is tantamount to ignorance of the highest order. Secondly, to insinuate that all recreational divers will abuse their alotted quota is nothing short of absurd. Some revision of the status quo has to be effected and "Anon's" proposal is a step in the right direction.

antipoacher 7/1/2009 9:42:00 AM
I miss the days of perlemoen diving, but unfortunately saw with my own eyes how often recreational divers slip an extra one in their bags or go dive twice in a day! These guys make themselves feel better by saying that "I'm only at the sea for so many days.... and others are here longer and if I dive every day of the season I would have gotten the same amount" or even worse "the poachers are depleting the seas, not us guys". Or the guy taking out his wife and 2 toddlers quota's for them, even though they don't even make an effort to wet themselves! So although I agree that a plan should be made, I'm not sure that allowing sports divers to add to the burden would work.

Ivan @anon 7/1/2009 9:45:56 AM
The government officials make way too much cash on the deal for them to do anything that closely resembles managing the situation. God forbid they did this, someone may actually lose money and worse yet, some lazy bastard may actually have to get off their fat backsides, put down the KFC and do a moments work, can't have that.

Shaun Vaughan 7/1/2009 9:48:25 AM
I like Perlemoen. I also think it is the stupid Chinese that eat everything. We must take the pearlies and catch them. If we throw them in jail then they cannot catch perlemoen. I always thought ANC officials like seafood. There is always something fishy about them. I think we must farm with abalone, it is possible, then we can teach black people to farm in the sea as they cannot do it on land.

Maverick 7/1/2009 9:54:13 AM
Our natural resources are given to us to manage properly to everybodies benifit. We sit with a useless, incompetent government who promotes a mentallity of stealing as much as you can for so long as you can because you are socalled previously disadvantaged. Everybody uses this as self justification to be lawless. You forget one thing and that is that you destroy your heritage in sted of managing it and developing it. They same goes for all other resources. The past is no excuse for messing up the future. If the government enforce the law and criminals are getting locked up with maximum sentences, crime will go down. People will think twice before doing something illegal or unethical. People will start to do their work properly. New jobs will be created and unemployment and poverty will go down. Everybody will hve a sense of well being without drugs and things will become better. So stop ruining everything by your own selfishness.

Cliff Bradley 7/1/2009 10:05:45 AM
Come Now - Do You Think That The ANC Will Control It , They Are Hand In Glove With Their Chinese Poacher Buddies , Getting A Kickback

Attie 7/1/2009 10:12:47 AM
@ Bongani, firstly if you find any abalone in Gauteng, Limpopo, Nortwest, Freestate (I think you het the point), please let me know so we can inform the scientists of the new migration habits of abalone inland. And second thing, it was the ANC COUNCILER in an ANC branded car that was arrested for abalone. Totally agree with the author, I deal with these people everyday and its only getting worse. The Chinese are eating all our abalone. Poachers are paid with Tik for the abalone to sell again so the criminal activity just spreads further.

Halfwise 7/1/2009 10:22:39 AM
Bongani – is that for real (The Goodwood DA member was recently arrested for stealing abalone.) just when I thought Madam Zille’s party is only for perfect people….. thanks for sharing that valuable info man.. lets hope more skeletons will keep coming out…

Glock 22 c 7/1/2009 10:24:25 AM
Only thing the anc will do is make it a BEE industry and cut the rest out so only the ANC makes money of it. Thats how they roll

Shaun 7/1/2009 10:26:06 AM
@Maverick, only problem is that the majority of poachers are not caught and locked up. The magnitude of the problem is beyond the SAPS control and the only way of dealing with the issue is to legally comply with the demand and the need for illegal poaching decreases as the product is on the market. There will be so many benifits in terms of job creation, taxation and better management of the resources as it is out of control at the moment and nothing will be left in the near future.

Oemoebi Moosini 7/1/2009 10:29:07 AM
Eish I like Cheeze.And I like fish buta these abalone , is not nice to eat.I daid taste it ,They taste like Peupty pants.Legalizing Zak is much beta

SimonP 7/1/2009 10:30:52 AM
@Bongani, 99% are WC, I assume you can prove that or did you dream it up. "DA.....are responsible for stealing abalone" I think you will find it is the thieves that are responsible. "some of us are not blind" LOL !!Care to analyse murders, rapes, corruption across the country? When you discover the majority are in ANC provinces does that mean the ANC are responsible.

Thabo M 7/1/2009 10:42:35 AM
@bongani: 99%o of abelone is found in the Western Cape. There should be no surprise that 99% of the paoching is done there. It would be rather difficult to poach it in the Free State. Environmental protection is a function of National government and the Western Cape was an ANC led province previously so your point is rather pointless. How much time should a party have to act on poor service delivery? You've failed the DA and they have only been in power in that province for a few months. If a party has been on power for years, maybe you should fail them as well. I wonder if there is such a party in South Africa? Any suggestions, anyone? I know we had one in the past called the National Party but I was hoping for a more recent example.

SimonP 7/1/2009 10:43:02 AM
Halfwise, just because Bongani says it does not mean it is true. What about the ANC counciller who got busted? Any comment?

Rolls Royce@Bongani and Halfbrain 7/1/2009 10:57:03 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble,but it was an anc member not a DA member.He was caught in hermanus with 2474 abalone in an official anc car.Garth Strachan,the anc spokesperson for the area advised the police to let the law run its course in the conviction of the criminal anc official....but a nice try bongani

Louis 7/1/2009 10:58:31 AM
Consider hunting and the number of game farms that are economically viable because of the industry. Poaching game is illegal, but hunting is not. Sure it is much more difficult to monitor poaching at see, but there is a good arguement for changing the approach. Commercial abalone farms, recreational permits, stricter sentencing and control and participation by all of us to make it work. Ivory trade is still illegal but you can get once-off permits. This earns revenue and floods the market with supply, reducing the need for poaching. Unfortunately the same is not working for rhino horn because the animals are not breeding as quickly as elephant. If we had more protected and controlled game farms we might have had more rhino. For the let's list the other party's shortcoming group: we can count the number of examples of ANC officials involved in crime and corruption and compare that to sommer the total of all the other party's combined and I'll bet my salary that the ANC will "win". Your attempt at scoring cheap political points have backfired. Policing is a National responsibility where the ANC National government is failing. SImilarly legislation is passed in the ANC led parliament and the shortcomings in the legislation are due to their decisions. Instead of blind loyalty and party politics I choose to look for solutions. It helps to have the chip on your shoulder removed.

AJ halfwise and Bongani 7/1/2009 11:07:31 AM
Although off topic you are not seriously considering comparing the criminal acts of the ANC and DA card carring members are you. I suppose it is impossible to rise above yourself, but I suggest you both try, even for just a day.

seal 7/1/2009 11:11:37 AM
Used too dive perly many years ago and what I saw was that it wasn't the recreational diver or even the poachers that are the cause of perlemoen being endagered. It was the commercial boats. It was disgusting too see these boats loaded too the brim with tons of perly with no regard for minimum sizes and weight quota's(they were paying off the inspectors anyways too turn a blind eye). Its funny how poachers and recreational divers were put too blame for the low numbers of abalone in the ocean when what they were taking out was such a small percentage compared too what the commercial boats were taking out. The commercial abalone fisherman were the true rapers of the ocean not the poachers.

@bongani 7/1/2009 12:07:36 PM
http://www.news24.com/Content/SouthAfrica/News/1059/057686132c6b47e29f1301b341317e5e//ANC_official_bust_with_abalone


Q 7/1/2009 12:10:58 PM
Bongani – where did you get the stats from (99% pouching in the western cape). Can we have a reference or did you thumb suck that. Or is it just that you want to highlight the efficiency of the WC law enforcement departments. By the way perlemoen can be found in about 2/3 of SA’s coast line which until very recently was 100% politically controlled by the ANC. The WC only has about 1/3 of SA’s coastline. Secondly can you please show use where the article of the DA member is that was caught red handed. Here’s the one on the ANC member http://www.news24.com/News24/South_Africa/News/0,,2-7-1442_2498826,00.html

@ bongani 7/1/2009 12:26:20 PM
I dont think bongani's logic deserves any response,i was a legal commercial quota holder,the permits was issued by Marine and coasral mismanegement who are also resonsible for the shark diving disaster.The total incompetence,lack of skills and mismanagement can be seen in most goverment departments,sabc,sal, transnet,home affairs,get the picture?

Q 7/1/2009 12:27:36 PM
Mandy @Johan Britz actually by controlling the various markets you have raised with licence you do reduce the criminal element by making use of divide and conquer principles. Get one half on your side via licences, and they’re likely to want to protect what is theirs so they will work with you to get ride of the others. With prostitution it would be a similar concept as well as the fact that you will reduce the risk that their clients are putting themselves at (HIV/AIDS). You will never get rid of prostitution for the simple fact that not everybody is fortunate or confident enough to attract a partner that is willing to share their lives and these types of experiences. The only alternative to them would be disgusting. It also means more revenue for the tax man.

Johan Britz 7/1/2009 2:35:09 PM
I fear that most of you that do not live on the coast have no idea what "pearlies" are. They are the ones that poach, the bad guys. No matter what laws are put in place, those that disregard it will always take more than they are allowed to. My comments have nothing to do with recreational divers.

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