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'Boycott major retailers'

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2009-01-06 14:48

Dear Editor,

Over the last few months South Africans have been fortunate enough to benefit from the massive reduction in the global price of oil. Since the record peaks of petrol and diesel, there has been a huge reduction in the price of petrol.

Good news indeed. However as much of a relief as it may be, one wonders why the current situation has not filtered through to retailers.

In a recent Fin24 article by Theunis Strydom, Pick 'n Pay's financial director Dennis Cope states that food prices are determined by their suppliers and that due to other factors such as commodities, packaging and labour, food prices may not necessarily come down.

That may be true, but as I can imagine most South Africans will be asking, how come food prices increase dramatically when fuel costs increase? When Pick 'n Pay increases their prices on foods they blame it on the rising fuel costs, there is no mention of suppliers and their costs of packaging and labour?

If the cost of regularly transporting products such as milk, bread, meat, fruit and vegetables have come down, then surly someone out there is exploiting the consumer? Why don't major retailers put pressure on suppliers to lower their prices?

Why don't consumers boycott the major retailers in order for them to put pressure on their so called suppliers to lower their costs?

I'm sure that there is a better solution to providing consumers with information regarding the price of foods? Perhaps Mr Cope from Pick 'n Pay can explain why they charge suppliers for stocking products on their shelves as well as taking profit on goods sold.

Perhaps we as consumers should support our local butchery and the corner fruit and vegetable shop a lot more.

Dan Collins

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Johan 1/6/2009 3:10:53 PM
The market has now shown that it can move money in the direction of "food" (from wherever). And as the saying goes... The market will pay as much as the market can bear. Economics 101. All we consumers can do now is strike for higher salaries! blah blah the circle continues.

eBas 1/6/2009 3:13:07 PM
K@k en betaal.

Badger 1/6/2009 3:17:12 PM
support my local butcher (Has the best cuts in town, not to mention biltong) However your article does make valid points. If only we (black/white/green and yellow) could stand together, we could make a big difference i.e. Banks/fuel/food/crime/corruption etc etc.

Pop Idol 1/6/2009 3:20:55 PM
More research needs to be done as to why these huge retailers exploit their staff....Im sure if most were White employees, they would be getting a better salary as well as better benefits.

Elizabeth 1/6/2009 3:21:28 PM
And buy milk directly from the farmers, if possible. They are struggling, get paid a pittance for milk, yet the retailers can charge a fortune for milk!! Who gets the money? The hardworking farmer? NO.

Kaballas 1/6/2009 3:21:33 PM
If you really knew how the large retailers make most of their money you would be shocked. What they basically do is to delay debtor payments. And since most farmers deliver 100% of their products to them, they are dependant on them. They take their income and invest it (millions per day) for 90 days or as long as possible and only then pay their debtors (without interest). All the interest gained is where they really make their money. And a lot of suppliers has gone under because of this...

Louis 1/6/2009 3:22:45 PM
Fully suppor this. Time to get a market and corner shop culture...

honky tonk man 1/6/2009 3:28:41 PM
I agree Dan, we should collectively make a stand but inevitably we are all talk and no action. How many will stop for daily essentials at BP One Stop or Jonny's cafe on the corner as opposed to P'nP? We have been ridden for so long and so hard that we accept everything with little more than a grumble.

TK 1/6/2009 3:28:57 PM
These retailers are determined to turn a blind eye to food prices when the price change doesnt suit them. They are greedy, community destroyers..& I cud say a lot about Pick N' Pay. But it's fine,I'll start supporting the tuck-shop around the corner, & I will do my main groceries @ Makro. They can sure bet on a slower demand, now that the Festives are over.

Tired N 1/6/2009 3:29:43 PM
rightly said Dan, how about a boycott on the Retailers products especially PnP.....that would teach them a lesson that consumers must not be taken for granted....!

Fleeced 1/6/2009 3:31:16 PM
Well put Dan. I am convinced that the major retailers having exploiting situations like these down to a science and know how to fleece their customers for as long as possible. The other observation is that the costs associated with consumer goods go up almost in tandem with fuel cost increases but lag and even ignore decreases in fuel costs - please explain that too!! And I would not be surprised if retailers and suppliers are conspiring via various agreements to stifle corner shop competition!!

xp 1/6/2009 3:34:55 PM
How come they never go down like overseas? Perhaps we need to get the Competition Board onto this or even better...boycott those scum!

Sgubhu 1/6/2009 3:35:00 PM
Greed thats all it boils down to. Retailers aren't the only ones who bleed the consumer dry, looks at taxi operators for instance, fuel price goes up and up go the taxi fares but nothing happens when it comes down and its come down drastically lately. Good thing I drive myself to work.

jacs 1/6/2009 3:35:58 PM
I would like to know how the CEO's, Directors, Managers, etc. of the companies who rip us off sleep at night? How do they look their children & grandchildren in the eyes while they systematically destroy their heritage - this country? How can many of them sit in church services while they continue to be (highly paid) common criminals & fraudsters? Amazing how socially acceptable their actions are becoming...

Mare 1/6/2009 3:36:15 PM
I have been talking about this for the past 2 weeks - tatally unacceptable. I agree with the article and I think we as consumers need the help of a "body" to rectify the unacceptable situation. Is there any body who can assist?

RobC 1/6/2009 3:40:31 PM
I am also going to boycott P&P, the local butcher is much cheaper with both meat and milk prices.

CrisisOfFaith 1/6/2009 3:43:20 PM
Prices are always set by the market, by what the market can support. All that the recent price hikes have done is show the retailers that consumers can support higher prices - albeit painfully, but support it we had to. So, a drop in costs just means an increase in profits for the retailers.

VG 1/6/2009 3:43:50 PM
Love the idea of supporting small local butcheries, bakeries etc BUT let's be honest here - if inflation were to start falling to the point where we experinec deflation (i.e falling prices), would you take a salary cut?

Mike 71 1/6/2009 3:44:40 PM
Agree with ur comments. These Retailers are just one dimensional in their thought process- one way street in their favour of course! Suppliers should also refuse to pay PnP for stocking their products on PnP shelves- This is nothing short of economic rape,moral and ethical disgust of the highest order. Now that the Competition Commission is finished with the Banks, they should start with the Retailers. Retailers should also be forced to lift their skirts as what Banks have done.

Stryder 1/6/2009 3:45:07 PM
Good article. I believe firmly that the consumer is being ripped off and ripped to shreds. I knw for a fact that major producers such as AVI (Willards, Bakers Bisuits) and Unilever (Just about everything...) have to beg for shelf space and that the retailers pay on their own terms. SO it is clearly a blatant lie when the retailers say their hands are tied.

Fleeced 1/6/2009 3:45:45 PM
Perhaps IT dudes should rally - create a whistleblowers website!!

Bibi 1/6/2009 3:45:47 PM
It is really terrible to think that the big supermarket like Pick 'n Pay, Shoprite, Checkers and Spar bite out a circumstances and already cash and many poor customers to suit their needs. If they (supermarkets) respond by saying they cannot lower prices now that the petrol price has been lowered then it proves that they were just using the "petrol increase" as an excuse to exploit an already poor nation. We should all stand together and boycott the lot. We are filling their pockets.

Wyrrd 1/6/2009 3:45:48 PM
Well said Dan! SA consumers are generally very complacent and unless there is a major upcry or enough consumer vigilance against the retailers, they will get away with it again - as they always do. P 'n P are, I believe, are ruthless to increase prices but loathe to decrease them. Maybe it would be an idea to start a viral campaign (sms/e-mail all our mates) where for one week all consumers boycott an offending retailer, eg P'nP. Lets use News24 for this campaign.

Janet 1/6/2009 3:46:47 PM
If the petrol prices are being reduced tonight are the retailers going to consider cutting food prices as people are battling to buy the basic Milk and Bread. Their prices are becoming Ridiculous.

kwk 1/6/2009 3:50:02 PM
If P&P can undercut Checkers and still make a profit, they will do so, and the other way round.There's no reason "exploit the consumer" for the sake of it, and gain bad publicity, when money can be made by not doing it!Where will you buy from when you boycot them, the garage stores? I'm no specific fan of P&P or Checkers or whoever, but the reasoning in this article is very poor.

Francois Roux 1/6/2009 3:50:47 PM
Geesh dude, how did your comment even get posted? It bears no relation to the fact that the article was written about high food prices. Are you intentionally looking to turn this into or provoke racist comments to be posted? If I had to reason the way you do, then I'd most likely say, "Maybe if the retailers didn't have to take a knock every time your cronies does a strike, then maybe they would actually be able to lower prices...". WTF??? Grow up man!!!

M 1/6/2009 3:51:29 PM
BS story from retailers to validate their massive profits. I know what farmers get (no wonder nobody wants to farm anymore) and what we pay at the supermarket, the middle man takes a huge chunk of the profit and the consumer must pay&the farmers must suffer.Also SA doesn't regulate food prices (which it should), like overseas where retailers have to prove why their prices are not falling even though say for example the oil price has plummeted. Companies are way to powerful in this country.

Down PnP Down.....VIVA!!! 1/6/2009 3:52:00 PM
Lets give Dennis Cope a brown spot in his pants...Show him that such comments will not go unnoticed and make him think again before making such stupid statements...He really thinks we cant see through his crap. unfortunately the mighty Pnp will survive to rip us off even further

PeterD 1/6/2009 3:52:01 PM
I agree with you 100% Dan! I was horrified on Saturday when I looked at the price of potatoes at Pick 'n Pay. A 4kg bag under the P 'n P brand name cost a whopping R46-99! This is absolutely ridiculous! I use a certain brand of coffee, which Pick 'n Pay charges R64-99 for, but I buy the same at Spar for R46-99. Why does P'nP charge almost R20 more for the same article? Us consumers are being screwed, but we just lie back and take it! It's time we showed them the power is in our hands, not theirs!

Mo 1/6/2009 3:52:23 PM
My sentiments exactly. Let us boycott this big bullies. We consumers should have an influence on the prices we are charged for goods.The petrol prices has went down more than is has increases in the past year yet there is no reflection of that on prices of food and etc.

fred 1/6/2009 3:53:26 PM
The price paid to the dairy farmer has dropped by an average .50c /lt. At the same time it went up in shops

GG 1/6/2009 3:54:14 PM
It is about the consumers organised some kind of strike as we are being ripped off wholesale. Check out price of coffee, they are still putting up the prices daily. The biggest culprit Pick n Pay, Mr Ackerman and his merry band of crooks. They are fast becoming the most expensive supermarket around. There advertising is a load of bull and lies. Hope u see you rear end when people start buying else where. Crooks! crooks! crooks!

cj 1/6/2009 3:55:01 PM
I couldn't agree more but the general population is not, I think, inclined to shop around and is basically, because of sheer convenience, prepared to be screwed by the large retailers. I shop at a small local butchery and veggie shop (whose prices are very reasonable and the quality outstanding) and only use the large stores when I absolutely have to. It can be done but time is the enemy of most people today and the large stores know this.

M 1/6/2009 3:55:26 PM
And then we are shocked about the high levels of crime when food prices are so high that the average South African can't even follow a healthy diet because healthy food is just too expensive. Sadly crime doesn't hit the super rich that can afford ample protection/security. Maybe we should go medieval with forks and torches&find the culprits

Nad 1/6/2009 3:56:09 PM
Lets starts a viral campaign as stated earlier, mite give them something to think about, ART of WAr - attack at the top. PnP should be first!!!!

Philani 1/6/2009 3:56:14 PM
because we are being ripped, and this is another version of corruption that needs to be tackled from behind. When my bank lured me join them they promised me no bank charges, but today if I were to claim that, the bank would laugh at me. I support the view that we boycot, toyi-toyi for better salaries. All races must unite and I will vote for a party that will put stop to this, corruption.

kwk 1/6/2009 3:56:39 PM
If P&P can undercut Checkers and still make a profit, they will do so, and the other way round.There's no reason "exploit the consumer" for the sake of it, and gain bad publicity, when money can be made by not doing it!

Gary 1/6/2009 3:58:54 PM
Use this website to find the best prices, this way the dealer with the best prices will get more business.... forcing other dealers to bring thier prices down!

boerinbeton 1/6/2009 3:59:20 PM
It's about paying less for the same product. Compared to Spar and PnP, butchers are almost always cheaper than large retailers, not to mention better quality products...

Joe 1/6/2009 4:00:17 PM
Because they are reviving the small-shop industry as we speak! Once a customer decides to change his shopping routine from big and nameless to small and personal, it's all over; there's no changing back. Shoppers should get back to their roots and support their neighborhood shops again, and realise that they can actually buy produce straight from farmers, too. Even milk! Just like in the good old days. Big retail has forgotten its OWN roots, evidently.

J D 1/6/2009 4:00:37 PM
If one Company would put aside their greed & drop prices again when the petrol price drops they would surely have everyone's support & benefit as a result in the long term. But then we MUST all pull together!!

20 Something yr old white boy 1/6/2009 4:01:46 PM
The discussion here is "Why cant the food prices drop now that the fuel prices are dropping heavily" NOT about staff wages be it black/white/green/purple, why do you even have to mention such a thing? You sir are indeed a racist and SA will be better place without you. Great article BTW, if only Mr Dennis Cope would provide us with answers...

Duzi 1/6/2009 4:02:25 PM
There goes the race card again... same ol same ol. Dude can't you get over the colour of peoples skin? What is wrong with you? Will there ever come a time when we can just move on as a united country? There always has to be a 'but' or an excuse... I myself have just been declined for a job based on the colour of my skin, but shit happens... I move on, understand and accept why I didn't get the job - wrongs must be corrected - but move on buddy... just move on. Life is too short to be bitter!

Jean 1/6/2009 4:02:25 PM
We are getting ripped off by the retailers big time and it is time consumers stand together and boycott these con artists!! Speak to any farmer or other supplier and u will see how these retailers are ripping us off. I was in Naboomspruit this holiday where the Friendly Grocer charged R20 for a 2 litre of milk!!!

DJ 1/6/2009 4:02:49 PM
Good article Dan.'Experts'often cloud / stall this issue by calling for more research. These are the known facts: Production Costs to farmer is X; price paid to farmer is X plus 1; price paid to retailer (PnP) is X plus 30. Bottom line: the farmer and the consumer are screwed! The question is: Who cares?

KOBUS 1/6/2009 4:06:53 PM
Pop Idol, as part of my job, I have personally met MANY white people with low skills who would be glad to get a job at a retailer. They would RELISH the chance to be exploited like the current workers (who who seem to assume are all black...). Sadly, they are always last in the queue, as the "designated group" of people get the jobs first. Stop spouting racist rubbish. Kaballas is right in saying that interest delayed debtor payments make up a HUGE chunk of the retailers' income.

tHe Joker 1/6/2009 4:07:27 PM
But there aren't any minor retailers left. Where will I get my grub?

Johann 1/6/2009 4:08:23 PM
Last year a bread manufacturer was fined R99m for price fixing! A while ago the Comp Comission found that bank charge extremely high fees! Yesterday a major food company was fined R45m for price fixing! Result: Bread prices go up again, no action gets taken regarding the high bank charges. What's happening here is the obvious are being stated and who is paying? The consumer. Court cases against the bread companies, cost for the CC to do their research.Either way, the tax payer keeps on paying!

Bull 1/6/2009 4:08:58 PM
The so called housewives market should be renamed THE RIPP-OFF MARKET. They brag about their higher and higher profits even in hard times. How is that possible? Its not

Alan 1/6/2009 4:10:07 PM
What local butcher and grocer? I cannot find one - I actually tried a few weeks ago. And as for BP shops etc. - have you seen their prices? Right now for me the Pick n' Pay's and Spars of this world are the ONLY options - unless I can afford Woolworths and if I could do that I wouldn't be complaining about prices.

DJ 1/6/2009 4:14:42 PM
Since PnP and other large retailers listed, the writing was on the wall. For the Retailer, it is ALL ABOUT KEEPING THE SHAREHOLDERS HAPPY. The old days where Raymond Ackerman used to say 'we care about you', no longer applies. I see a gap in the market for a consortium of farmers and retailers to set up a national distribution network that would cut retail prices in half! Anyone interested in joining me?

Pangea 1/6/2009 4:14:53 PM
This is even more reason to support farmers markets and your local small business. I know that some big retailers are trying to force farmers to sign agreements that prohibits them from selling direct to the public and this I believe is not correct.

Pop Idol 1/6/2009 4:16:20 PM
The topic at hand is,as to why food retailers dont lower their prices...My initial comment was justified as these higher retail prices do NOT get passed on in the form of higher wages to their staff.Why is this then? If all of us are still paying the same prices even though the oil price came down,then where is this excess profit going too? Perhaps to the shareholders who mostly are white or into the pockets of upper management ? All that I know is that more justified strikes lay ahead.

Mrs M. 1/6/2009 4:18:24 PM
Well simple, they now need to make up for the losses they had the past year or so, and as usual the consumer has to pay for them. They won't put their prises down cause they know food is essential and we as consumers are hard up and will pay the price, while's the CEO sleeps peachfully in his expensive bed in his expinsive house and just goes back to work the next day in his expensive car, you think they will cut their own cost so consumers can save? NEVER.

Kaballas 1/6/2009 4:19:38 PM
The worst are the quickshops in garages. The other day I paid R9,50 for a can of Grapetizer. Thats crazy? . There is a market near where I live which fortunately has fresh veggies, meat and everything else one needs every Saterday. I swear if I told you I save 60% on my shopping of fresh produce here then it is too little.

Bull 1/6/2009 4:19:59 PM
Stay away from big stores for a few weeks and you will soon see prices tumble.

Papagetso 1/6/2009 4:21:38 PM
Man, i tell you it's car prices, food, cell phone charges and damn bank charges! this people are milking us day-in day-out! we must go toyi-toyi at PnP headquters...i will bank work for this one. R. Ackerman must know that he's starving the nation. We cant wait for a comission of enqueiries on this matter!!

Callie 1/6/2009 4:22:45 PM
You could not wait to play the race card???? You are the biggest racist on news24! Why can't you just keep to the subject at hand?? Not bright enough to talk about economics??? Go and watch tv my child, leave the big people alone to talk!

brent123 1/6/2009 4:22:57 PM
I also believe hat PnP is ripping us all off. I recently baught a trolly full of groceries at Woolworths and it worked out cheaper than my usual PnP trolley... and I thought that Woolies was the expensive one.

John Camp 1/6/2009 4:25:29 PM
And we all know what happens to whistleblowers in South Africa. :)

MT 1/6/2009 4:27:29 PM
One major mistake is sighting one reason (in this case oil therefore petrol) for price increases in food.This leaves the consumer with the rightfull illusion that should those prices decrease,so will food prices.Retailers must learn to be open and honest with the consumers that have made their bank accounts so heavy.Theyll always give us the notion that its not their fault prices increase,and therefore we cant expect them to bring them down when mkt conditions change.Capitalism,ladies and gents!

MP3 1/6/2009 4:29:21 PM
lol @ Pop Idol, come now... That was a little bit silly wasn't it? As far as the letter is concerned, totally agree. Infact I will certainly make more of a concerted effort to avoid them.

shaun 1/6/2009 4:32:00 PM
Your article is most valid however this stands for all food sellers including those "famous" fast food companies. Supporting your local butcher / baker etc will definitely leave more pennies in your pocket and quality should also be much more better ! Would love to hear Pnp and the likes comments !

Derek 1/6/2009 4:34:49 PM
Here is a website where you can prepare prices. http://www.hotprice.co.za/ It is still in early stages (and is actually closed for development at the moment) and more comparisons are being added all the time. If enough of us used this site, that would put real pressure on retailers.

Whyte Mann 1/6/2009 4:39:12 PM
I agree Dan. Let us all, in our own communities, organise a picket or some show of demonstration at each local PnP - they are the major culprits. And while we're about it, let's also boycott our banks that have been charging exhorbitant costs -you don't have to open a bank account, it's all just another scheme by the banks. Demand that your employer pay you in cash on the premises, and take your money home - not to the bank where they charge you so to use your money to make money for them!

Simon 1/6/2009 4:42:44 PM
A consumer watchdog group, with a website/toll free number available for the public to comment on food pricing, giving specifics about where/when and how much would apply pressure to the retailers. Add to this, legislation to monitor and control certain basic food items, vital to daily nutrition. Someone has to take the lead in this, perhaps COPE could get some political mileage from the concept?

Charles 1/6/2009 4:45:17 PM
I often wonder how much GP (Gross Profit) or markup all you people who complain your butts off make in your businesses. I am a Food retailer, and we seldom make more than 12-15% on what we sell. maybe you should start complaining about Doctors who charge over R200 for 15 minutes, or estate agents who do bugger all and still take Thousands in commission, or even lawyers or accountants, or maybe even SARS. Next time you criticize someone, please also revert to how you rip people off yourself!!!

Old, female, pale face 1/6/2009 4:46:07 PM
Diminishing Return means the "item" is not worth buying at the increased price. Hassled housewives do not have time to shop around. The one-stop-shop is the bait capitalism exploits it. Monopolies flourish. Greed turns on itself as in USA. Consumers lessen, production stays on the shelf. We had "boycotts" decades ago which worked. The nation were united in their purpose. Not today !

Jonas 1/6/2009 4:57:01 PM
Banks, retailers, government, they are all ripping us off. The price of producing 1L of premium petrol is somewhere between 20 and 30c. Given the price that we pay at the pump, someone is making money. One day, when we stop fighting and insulting each other, perhaps we will stand together and force these guys to stop screwing us.

Proudly Souf Efrikan 1/6/2009 4:58:08 PM
Aish! Dats where I come from. I say strike from tomorrow!! First wait till the petrol comes down tonight, more money in our pockets, more to spend at the corner shops and flea markets. Well done Dan, u have my vote for president of SA!! :)

ng 1/6/2009 5:05:30 PM
While suppliers are being labelled as crooks just bear in mind that most prices are about 22- 30% higher than they could be because the retailer demands a National Advert rebate, a drop shipment rebate, a settlement discount and a national rebate and all these costs are borne by the supplier. Also the stock is often damaged in store and returned to the supplier. All suppliers are required to pay for listing their products with the retailers. Still wondering why we pay through our ears?

chris rose 1/6/2009 5:09:42 PM
If a company wishes to be a supplier to PnPay it will have to follow certain "rules".1/ A listing fee to be paid upfront- this can be tens of thousands of rands- just for the privilage of doing business 2/confidential rebates have to be given eg 20% of amount invoiced is deducted by PnPay when the account is settled 3/it can often take 90 days before PnPay settle that account. All of these "costs" must be carried by the supplier as well as variable costs and cost of goods,distribution costs etc.

Derek 1/6/2009 5:10:12 PM
Anyone who has a problem with this Pick 'n Pay attitude can register their protest at www.hellopeter.co.za

YVos 1/6/2009 5:13:37 PM
Price fixing is alive and well in South Africa. This has been established. But, as we are such a divided nation and have never been able to really stand together and support each other, it is easy for the retailers to exploit us all. Remember the saying: United we stand, devided we fall. Can we try and stand together on this issue?

jackino 1/6/2009 5:24:50 PM
boycott taxis and pick n pay!!! finish and klaar

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