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Shock at 27.5% for Tito

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2008-09-05 08:22

Len van Heerden, News24 User

A salary of just under R4m for the governor of the Reserve Bank is not too bad, considering that Jaco Maree earns R18m and Tom Boardman earns R11m.

However, the timing of the announcement that he received a 27.5% salary increase cannot be good for the image he tried to project.

He has taken a median of the inflation target equalling 4% as his increase in the past several years. In addition, he has preached against the dangers of secondary inflation caused by exorbitant salary increases as a result many companies and unions have often used inflation as guide in their wage negotiations.

The news then that Tito was awarded and accepted a salary increase of 27.5% has to reflect the hypocrisy of the man. Early this year, he told people to tighten the belt. I suspect by then he had already received the benefit of his salary increase.

His deputies made even bigger killings earning themselves between 60 and 70% in increases. The committee that awarded Tito this package claim that they benchmarked Tito's salary based on market factors and international guidelines. Odd that he did not benchmark his salary on the individual whose salaries he affected by his call for people to tighten the belt.

We are all aware that CEOs and highly paid individuals are getting on average over 20% in salary increases whereas those reporting to them are getting an average of inflation + 1% to ensure they remain ahead of inflation. Why not benchmark his salary on the recent negotiated packages based on inflation?

I doubt if anyone would blame him if he received 13% + 1% like everyone else, but to double that smacks of hypocrisy.

Failure?

Furthermore, the decision was hidden somewhere in the financial report, and was never announced at the time it was effected or even debated. Lastly, if we use Eskom as an example, one has to ask whether Tito Mboweni has done his job.

Eskom directors were roundly criticised for accepting bonuses despite the deterioration in power stability in the country. The criticism was fair, because in the private sector many individuals are judged on performance.

Tito has failed to keep inflation between 3-6% in the past two years (or so). That has to rank as a failure on his part and surely failed individuals should get kicked out or have to prove themselves to get increases beyond the norm?

es, there are mitigating reasons why, as there were mitigating reasons for the Eskom failures. However, a failure is a failure and it has to rankle to know that Tito with his right side to the cameras (when he allows them) shouting from the mountain top that we need to tighten our belts, feels he is not to be subjected to similar requirements.

Mampara of the Year Candidate with Malema, Sunday Times and Vavi, surely?

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Brandon 9/5/2008 8:28:58 AM
If it is true that the 3-4 years prior he only got 4% then I suppose it's not too bad that he gets a bit of a hike. "IF". I'm more concerned with the other two salary increases over 60% though. Now that is outrageous and warrants severe drinking all weekend long. B

Gail 9/5/2008 8:35:12 AM
...............and not as I do, truly an indication of the times we live in.

JR 9/5/2008 8:36:19 AM
Agree so much! This now was one year where Tito could have scored browny points... but eish, he lost many credit with this action. So predictable of the fat cats....

turbo_superboss 9/5/2008 8:37:45 AM
it only smacks of hypocrisy if you base your decisions on the little that you know, and what exactly do you know? Perhaps his increase was performance related, especially in the trying times we currently are in? Once you know everything, and perhaps sat in meetings where his increase was discussed, then you can make a judgement call, otherwise keep quiet.

Fuzz 9/5/2008 8:38:33 AM
The man deserves his increase! There are no bonuses and share options for Tito. He gets paid a third of top CEO in the finance sector BEFORE additional remuneration. The man has done an excellent job. Do u not think he would be snapped up for double his salary in the private sector? It is also part of his job to tell people to tighten their belts, and it is not hypocritical as his salary is determined by a committee. Viva Tito Viva!!

Sinudeity 9/5/2008 8:39:11 AM
DONT get paid for doing their jobs. They get paid for their positions, for their skin colour and for whom they know.

dave the brave! 9/5/2008 8:41:06 AM
I wouldn't have had a problem with even an 18% increase. But what really and utterly dumbfounds me is his deputies getting between 60 and 60%!!! What the hek!! Is that true?

Econ 9/5/2008 8:41:14 AM
Mr. Mboweni is an excellent person to have as governor of the reserve bank and is doing an outstanding job! If you doubt his abilities, simply look at the situation in other comparable international countries like India to see how fortunate you are to have a brilliant head at the wheel of monetary policy! As long as he does such a good job, give him 40%!

colin 9/5/2008 8:42:19 AM
This is not unique to only SARB as Top Management in all companies do get rewarded with exorbitant bonuses and share incentives. The retail industry are probably one of the worst culprits in this regard ? the majority of there workforce work on a part time or casual basis and at times employees have to work 7 days a week and only take home less that R800 at times. This wage is way below a living wage. Your article would have carried more value and substance if you included these facts and named and shamed all other CEOs and managers who age guilty of the same sin.

gjs 9/5/2008 8:43:22 AM
No wonder he is willing to stay on another term - no matter who the next president is. With a well padded pocket anyone can live where costs and inflation are hurting the poor and middle class people of South Africa. Is this not what we are seeing all around in South Africa's leaders? Take care of yourself while you can. Taking care of your people is not important. Is Mandela the only exception? Where will this end?

IceCreamMan 9/5/2008 8:43:55 AM
you should not be ,its the way. Look after myself and to hell with everyone else. It's the way it is.

Gavin 9/5/2008 8:44:40 AM
"13% + 1% like everyone else" It has been ten years since my company, a leading national IT corporate, has paid even half what you say "everyone else" gets. I have resigned myself to getting poorer every year, and am on the edge of bankruptcy right now, as I did not even get an increase this year, while ten years ago I considered myself fairly well off.

jfky 9/5/2008 8:45:33 AM
Just another one...

VJN 9/5/2008 8:45:40 AM
I personally feel he deserves every cent. Like Jeremy said this mornig on Highveld, SARS, Minister of Finance and Tito are our key heads of our country's finances. Take a look of the amount that SARS brought in from the taxpayers. These are the only government departments are that are giving back to the poor.

Tito fan 9/5/2008 8:47:15 AM
Get a life man! The "tightening belts" call had to do with erroneous spending you fool. I fail to see how getting a decent "above-inflation" increase has anything to do with that.

pj 9/5/2008 8:48:10 AM
Agreed, and not surprised by this hypocrisy!

Zet 9/5/2008 8:48:56 AM
And we criticize corrupt officials, when the man in charge of the finances takes the biggest chunk for himself. Amazing how they aired the story a day before on how desperate the country is to keep him on for another term. The next line we will hear is that they had to pay him that increase to stop him from leaving. Judging from the last two years, I say, let him go if thats his cost to the country. Its outrageous.

Percentage 9/5/2008 8:50:17 AM
he has always made statements such as those with 4X4 will return them to the garage. I am sure he will not return his with this salary increase he got. His belt is loose now so he has more to spend.

Fred 9/5/2008 8:51:08 AM
Yet again the fat cat believe that thet do not need to be treated the same as the average public Joe. Tighten your belts, keep increases related to inflation, hell if you do this then I can get my increase at 2.5 times more than inflation. Just another example of the people in power abusing there positions to further there own personal gain. Talk about double standards, practice what you preach.

TS 9/5/2008 8:55:25 AM
but not surprising in the least. government is full of hypocrites.

AJ 9/5/2008 8:55:51 AM
Make all decisions around a table with advisors and boards and the like. Whether it's Tito or others, I am not as easily impressed. The job aint that hard. Every move you do you check and recheck with others - 2 day policy meeting to decide as a group, blah blah.

Hero Nakamura 9/5/2008 8:56:33 AM
Even with the 27.5% increase the governors salary remains reasonable. I have no qualms with this increase!

Conny 9/5/2008 8:57:04 AM
Len please stop acting like an idiot, are you saying when every body gets their increases, one man namely Tito must no get his. How dare you? and remember making a noise all the time make us realize how stupid you are. Mr Mboweni says get your salaries and bonuses but spent them wisely ok"

James 9/5/2008 8:57:39 AM
South Africa has a large budget surplus, so it can afford the pay rise. Although I agree that a 27.5% pay rise is ridiculous. He tells us to tighten our belts because we are living on borrowed money; this has nothing to do with the budget surplus. In the meantime, heed his advice: cut out the luxuries and buy groceries with your own money.

The Truth 9/5/2008 8:58:36 AM
and Saville Row pin-stripe suits somehow.Not sure if we can blame him entirely for the inflation rate though,especially after I have witnessed first hand how many South Africans are still running up their credit cards for even the smallest of purchases.By the way Len,my apologies if I at all offended you and "Big Bad Bob".After your thoughtless inference of yesterday that the couple shot to pieces by the cops should have known better,you are in fact only a cold-hearted piece of work.

Womble 9/5/2008 9:01:05 AM
Fact - Tito would be able to earn more working for a corporate. Fact - He has had 4% pay increases for the last two years. Fact - are you telling me that each one of us would snub a 27.5% pay increase? Another thing Tito hasnt personally pleaded poverty - he has acted on what you the reader have put yourselves into; loads and loads of debt.

sarah 9/5/2008 9:02:59 AM
Compared to his counterparts in the private sector he is being massively underpaid. Add to that, his increases for the last three years were only 4% per increase. He is doing a great job. I will be the first to confess that I had great reservations at his appointment, & he has proven me wrong. He works like a slave to keep the economy in line.

HT 9/5/2008 9:04:13 AM
Swazilands King is one of the richest monarchs in the world, while his people are dying of hunger. Mrs Mugabe goes shopping in France, while Zims are dying of hunger... And isn't ANC partners with communist party? Shouldn't they be against obtaining personal wealth. Good to see my taxes going for a "useful" purpose...

Marcel 9/5/2008 9:04:41 AM
I don't think he has to be a man of the people, as long as he's a man for the people. His advice to reign in our spending is valid regardless of his situation. Whether he deserves his increase, not sure if it's for me to judge, only his boss will know what he's accomplished in relation to his targets. Interesting article though, thanks.

gazmic 9/5/2008 9:09:07 AM
I'm going to admit it, unlike most of the commentators so far - I'M SO JEALOUS!!!!! If I was Tito, I would be smiling all the way to the Ferrari dealership. I wouldn't care what people thought as I drove my new F430 out the driveway. Can we all admit that our salaries are pathetic and our increases were even more pathetic this year. Go Tito! Enjoy the cash and please give me a ride in the new wheels sometime...

OB1 9/5/2008 9:10:49 AM
but at least he is doing a good job. Yes, inflation is high and so are the interest rates, but had someone incompetent been at the wheel we could be in a far worse situation (just look at how much worse off many other similar countries are). The economic pressures are due to international factors beyond our control, he hasn't done too badly keeping the effects thereof under control. He's one of the few ANC buggers that actually earn their salary.

Johan 9/5/2008 9:11:40 AM
When will this country of ours realize that education, security and health services are the main pillars of the future of our people. Men and women alike, who are excellent in their work are being lured away for financial reasons to other countries. Being in education myself, I have seen the quality of education going for a loop. Educators who are passionate about their work are becoming more and more despondent. I urge you to look after those who can help mould the youth of our country.

kwk 9/5/2008 9:11:44 AM
Len, the one day you try to pass of our crime rate as not much worse than elsewhere, and trying to defend incompetent authorities. Now you attack our one piece of authority that actually commands world wide respect. Have you ever heard of career progression? Surely a reserve bank governor with 10 yrs experience earns more than one with 5. The 27-13% is the progression component. And I am 100% sure you demand experience and seniority level increases in whatever line you are in.

makondo 9/5/2008 9:12:32 AM
you only have to look at our economic meltdown with tito raising interest rates unnecessary. He is partly to blame for the current economic situation but as is like with eskom the people that make the situation worse get all the bucks. The sars what is so good about an organisation that takes money from your pocket more than they should be taking??? nothing good about sars...

Ben 9/5/2008 9:13:09 AM
Guys, the real fat cats on this article is Jaco Maree and this other chap Tom Boardman. They are scooping 18 million and 11 milion respectively. its like winning the lotto every year. Poor Tito he is 12 million behind his counterparts.

Matrix 9/5/2008 9:13:44 AM
Received from higher taxes & proceeds from higher interest rates (from us)? Its also called wealth distribution, i.e. take from previously advantaged & employed / employers, then give to previously disadvantaged. Seems like ANC Gov is following Zim example. Had respect for Tito, now obvious he is one of them (ANC Corrupt officials). On the other hand if we were in his shoes, what would we have one??? Mmmm Another BEE enrichment project????

Stryker 9/5/2008 9:14:29 AM
How would we really know if Tito is worth the money? Do any of you guys sit in on his performance appraisel? Having worked in Government myself - no one there deserves to earn anywhere close to private sector salaries. Government is the refuge of the incompetent. 90% of government staff wouldnt survive a month in the private sector without getting fired. Same as the old regime - provide sheltered employment for your cronies. Whats new?

seeker 9/5/2008 9:15:31 AM
Fact remains, raising interest rates based on erroneous, convoluted data did more harm to the economy than good. It did absolutely nothing to curb inflation. They were not related to such a large degree after all. It was ignorant and misguided. And he (and SARB) has now effectively admitted that the whole system was wrong. So, he FAILED at his job. Made thousands of people lose their homes and INCREASED poverty and suffering. What a bloody a$$hole!

John Camp 9/5/2008 9:17:17 AM
It's absolutely disgraceful, We get to tighten our belt and he gets 29%, it's shameful.

Matrix 9/5/2008 9:18:27 AM
Gov Officials at all levels. Intimidation of populus due to weight advantage. Reminds of Sumo wrestlers. Also, propping up their pension packages, i.e they realise that (like in Zim) the value of the Rand will depreciate, therefore they need to make provision for it. He???

Len van Heerden 9/5/2008 9:20:15 AM
Do not assume that because you are ignorant that others are also ignorant. Tito's remuneration was discussed at length by Bruce Whitfield, who interviewed the chair of the remuneration committee last night around 6:22pm. If you bother to read what I wrote, I do not begrudge Tito getting this money, I just find it odd that he was telling everyone else (deserved or not) that they should not be negotiating for huge salary increases and he takes ne himself (silently at that)

Wildboy 9/5/2008 9:21:03 AM
As Tito once stated, the people must now eat chicken wings rather than the fillet steak. What a hypocrite. Just another fat cat at the throne... Earning more than what he is worth.

??? 9/5/2008 9:21:14 AM
I think there is a few of us like Gavin, the past few years, 3-5% increase is the norm. As I am part of the management level, you can't be part of a union and get the increase they negotiate for the lower workers. Most of us it getting poorer every year then Tito complaining about us using credit. If you don't get an increase keeping up with inflation (nevermind his 27%), what else can you do to buy food and petrol.

Kamz 9/5/2008 9:22:12 AM
Econ, did you honestly say "situation in other comparable international countries like India". India has one of the fastest growing economies in the world. Have you dozed of and fallen on your head? And Fuzz, if Tito could be earning double in the private sector, would he have not left for greener pastures already? The fact is that private sector CEO's have accountability. Can Tito account for our current interest rate fiasco? How is the increase justified in our current economic climate?

william 9/5/2008 9:23:43 AM
it is that bad giving the man a hike but to say he is "doing a good job" is madness....I am also doing a good job,all those workers on the mines are also doing great jobs and all of you,when not on internet,are also doing great jobs.....but the point is just that goverment spend money on themselves as if there is no tomorrow and then me with the 6% increase has to feel sorry for the car gaurd cause goverment failed him(and other poor Saffers)cause he did a great job too,

Point Blank 9/5/2008 9:23:58 AM
As someone said, maybe he deserves it. You weren't in the increase meeting so you not 100% in the loop with what considerations were taken to come up with that, hey good luck to him he isn't suffering like the rest of us. It makes the deciding factor to raise interest rates easy for him. He won't feel it.

HT 9/5/2008 9:24:13 AM
Mboweni did do the unpopular thing to safeguard us against high inflation. Not many bigwigs risk taking the unpopular highroad... How often do we here him make extreme comments in the media (like Nqakula's stop complaining and leave statements). Our inflation rate is not too high, and the guy shuts up and does his work. If he leaves, who/what will replace him?

carel 9/5/2008 9:24:23 AM
you know why we use our credit cards? because all the interest rates have gone up, and its the only way we can afford our necessities - I cannot afford take-aways and evenings out, by the way, so what luxuries can I cut out? My house? my car?

Francois 9/5/2008 9:25:06 AM
if the MASSES actually understand how much money these people they so blindly support are earning? I wonder what the outcome would be when one day the masses ACTUALLY wake up to see how the ANC main cheeses benefit while they sh!t bricks to make ends meet?... The masses are stil dropping like flies. Well done Tito... BUT why don't you donate that to an welfare organisation or something usefull... OOPS funds will be gone in no time?

Nick 9/5/2008 9:27:31 AM
Only toy toying unions get this, 4 - 8 % for us normal workers. Inflation is under 10% if you live in a shack, use public transport, and most of your possesions fell off the back of a lorry. For the rest it's closer to 20%, Insurance, Medical Aid, Transport, Bond and Food clear the rest of us out monthly? Tito's a thief, like the rest of the ANC gov!!!!

Amelia 9/5/2008 9:29:04 AM
we need to bridge the gap....if people who earn less that R5000 can get all these increases instead until we have no one earning below R10000 in south africa.... in my world, it would be the perfect reality... it hurts to hear that there are people who earn in a month what some people will not even make in their lifetime... this world is an unfair place....

Len van Heerden 9/5/2008 9:29:56 AM
Yes, Tito has taken 4% in the preceeding years and I think in those years he deserved more. I am just concerned as to the timing, especially after the announcements of belt tightening and warning of inflation dangers regarding salary increases.

christo 9/5/2008 9:30:12 AM
I think he is doing a reasonable job, the only place where you can fault him is the timing of implimentation of the "new" basket. The way to have increased his pay was through bonus of achievement of results and keeping the basic salary increase at inflation related. Credibility, you have lost that Tito! Unfortunately, you will be judged by that as you are instructing SA to tighten belts, but you are not doing the same!

AJ 9/5/2008 9:30:39 AM
I think for a lot of people they are not pissed at Tito so much as as they are pissed at 'Executive' remuneration in general. I dont blame Tito in this regard, it is the nature of the beast. I do hate it when they talk bout the 'special skill', 'pressure' etc because I dont buy a lot of that rubbish. These posts are rewards (private or govt).

OB1 9/5/2008 9:36:12 AM
but at least he is doing a good job. Yes, inflation is high and so are the interest rates, but had someone incompetent been at the wheel we could be in a far worse situation (just look at how much worse off many other similar countries are). The economic pressures are due to international factors beyond our control, he hasn't done too badly keeping the effects thereof under control. He's one of the few ANC buggers that actually earn their salary.

Len van Heerden 9/5/2008 9:37:25 AM
Tito Mboweni made comments about reigning exorbitant salary increases because of the effect they have on secondary inflation. Does he deserve to be paid more? Yes, a lot of people deserve to be paid more but his statement has resulted in hardening of the stance by several companies listening to his advice. I therefore think the timing of his salary is unfortunate. Perhaps he will withdraw his comments about wage negotiations?

TTBoy 9/5/2008 9:37:38 AM
Personally I think the man deserves his increase, and did his level best in his position considering a nation seemingly overly credit hungry. He could easily command a bigger pay check in private practice, and he is still the right man for the job as is ol' Trevor on the other side of the same spectrum

CC 9/5/2008 9:38:57 AM
With all the grabbing hands out there, I think anybody who is able to keep a country's finances in check (Tito, Manuel ,etc) deserve good salaries. At least they add value unlike some others.

xyz 9/5/2008 9:40:40 AM
Len van Heerden is a chameleon and changes his tune when it suits him. If you are consistent people will listen to you, but if you display inconsistencies in your thinking then you are taking a chance. Len grow up, People in this country cannot afford cars they drive nor can they afford houses they live in. this is the story of this country. dont blame the governor if you cannot meet your over priced expectations of living. I dont see you complain when a soccer star gets bought for Euro50m.

terence 9/5/2008 9:40:58 AM
there are alot of people worshiping this guy and i am beginning to think the same people are posting under different names. This guy is partly to blame for the inflation as he has approached it the wrong way. Hiking interest rates is not working yet he keeps doing it cmon ppl open your eyes this guy is not doing a good job.

Mpho 9/5/2008 9:42:00 AM
He was quick to critizise Investec the other day; hopefuly he'll ask for an inflation rate increase in the same manner.Cosatu, why are you guy's not speaking out ?? This proves that he's just another politician, bugger the poor,as long as I'm OK charlie. So TITO, how many STEAK'S are we having...FAT CAT

Hero Nakamura 9/5/2008 9:44:07 AM
It's 27.5% not 29%. You can't even read but you want to criticize!

L van Heerden 9/5/2008 9:46:07 AM
I really think you either need to read properly, or get an education. This is what I wrote "I am sure the Joburg family that was shot by the police know what shoot to kill mean. After escaping a potential life threatening situation, they found themselves attacked by the police told to shoot to kill. Cannot blame the police.." An intelligent person (not you) knows this reflects badly on the dep. minister of police and not the family who were innocent victims for her statements on shoot to kill

Jedi 9/5/2008 9:46:26 AM
All numbskulls, Tito is the best reserve bank governot this country has had - it's called parity, compare his salary to Ben Bernanke US Fed Gov, same job same hours same expertise before crap is spoken.

Jedi 9/5/2008 9:49:29 AM
as for the chop going on about inflation targeting - i'm agasp, not heard about macro economics? Imported inflation? Economic variables that are dictated to an economy? Inflation that is a result of a healthy and growing ecomomy? Please take the day off and do some reading.....

Hero Nakamura 9/5/2008 9:51:16 AM
It seems to me that you actually don't have a problem with Tito's salary increase, but only at his comments that might have directly or indirectly affected you own increase. hehehe...

MajorPain 9/5/2008 9:51:28 AM
but it wasn't! a 4%-5% increase on what must have been roughly 1 mil to start with is not bad at all. I would also be able to live credit free and pump money into my savings if I earned that salary. He has a helluva cheek!!! If he was thinking outside the box on ways to try and stem the rampant inflation I would have understood, but he and his cronies have done nothing but sit and watch their policies kill the middle class.

JB 9/5/2008 9:52:05 AM
You dont have a clue what provate CEO's get, so please shut you whap....

DAB 9/5/2008 9:53:59 AM
how can all you people who support this characters increase, justify the fact that he has'nt done his job that well,-refer to the inflation figures-warrants such an exhorbitant increase. SA is by no means a wealthy country. The taxes are far to high for what the people get back. Compare this to other first world countries...Oh sorry SA is not 1st world and I can gaurantee it never will be. With the likes of you sheep supporting this kind of abuse, you'll always be poor s/africas. Viva New Zealand

LvH 9/5/2008 9:54:59 AM
Unlike so many who have responded, I think you get my drift. No one should begrudge Tito getting R4m and those accusing him of corruption really need to have the poles pulled off their bums. My problem is the timing, rather than what he deserves. He deserves R5m in my opinion, but a 28% increase when you have told others that exorbitant increases will affect inflation is what make him a hypocrite (not what he deserves to earn)

OB1 9/5/2008 9:55:31 AM
While you may disagree (so do I) with the view of others (in this case Len), is it really necessary to insult the man? Guys, lets start maturing as commentators, and learn to debate without resorting to cheap insults (I've been guilty of it myself). play the ball, not the man, or the conversation degenerates into emotive and derogatory name-calling, which achieves nothing.

Rhapelang 9/5/2008 9:56:11 AM
Please tell us your salary an increase you got this year. If you don't, what the hell has someone else's salary got to do with you! It seems more that you don't understand the basics of the economy. If you don't pay Tito the right amount of money you will lose him. I promise you that the business world out there will snap him up, whereas the directors of Eskom will only be window dressing at most. Go Tito you deserve it my bro!

theDriver 9/5/2008 9:56:39 AM
every cent he got as an increase. I do not purport to be an economics guru however from little that I know Tito has done an excellent job under trying conditions. It's truly surprising that u consider him to be a mampara of the year!

Sick to the bone 9/5/2008 10:00:12 AM
The Big Tit should go on a diet. Shame on you! Clearly you sleep ok every night. Karma will get you in the end!

OB1 9/5/2008 10:00:13 AM
"Educators who are passionate about their work are becoming more and more despondent. I urge you to look after those who can help mould the youth of our country.". I'm totally with you on that!! Its shocking how badly teachers are paid and treated by the dept. How are they supposed to deliver a quality education when so many obstacles are placed in there way. Its our children who are going to suffer at the end of the day.

The Truth 9/5/2008 10:00:20 AM
I'm with you on that boet as I have debt myself (not bad debt but the usual home loan etc.).Fortunately I drive a second hand vehicle which is fully paid for.Not saying that you are living above your means at all but others are,and by using more credit they are merely adding to their woes.One cannot create debt to pay off debt,otherwise it becomes a never ending cycle.

OB1 9/5/2008 10:00:51 AM
"Educators who are passionate about their work are becoming more and more despondent. I urge you to look after those who can help mould the youth of our country.". I'm totally with you on that!! Its shocking how badly teachers are paid and treated by the dept. How are they supposed to deliver a quality education when so many obstacles are placed in there way. Its our children who are going to suffer at the end of the day.

mama bolo 9/5/2008 10:00:59 AM
You should become a union leader and fight for all the underpaid staff whilst their CEO's rake in excess of R15m pa. heh he hee hea hah

TMAN!! 9/5/2008 10:01:55 AM
The increase is a shame if u look after 44+million population.His responsibilities as governor are huge..We've seen the impact of external forces to our currency. Thats beyond his control, there is nothing he can do about it unless u anti-Tito come up with a better plan of controlling inflation. I don't know y u comparing with "Mes-kom". HE SHOULD BE GETTING +150% SALARY INCREASE PERIOD!! VIVA TITO!!!!!

susan 9/5/2008 10:02:08 AM
If you want to see what the real inflation rate is - not the one we are told - take a look at the salary increase the governor of the reserve bank gives to himself. That's where the truth lies.

Jason 9/5/2008 10:02:54 AM
Tightening of belts doesn't mean don't earn more it means start saving and stop overspending. Inflasion is caused by many factors one been the major issues been oil price and credit problems more banking and retail issues. That can't be blamed on him. He has kept inflation in check and uped the lending rate when needed. Read abit and you will see the world is in the same boat. Do a bit of research before criticizing

Karen 9/5/2008 10:03:27 AM
Wasn't it announced a while ago that all ministers would get a salary cut rather than an increase because their salaries are so inflated and that the call for the general population to decrease spending and tighten their belts while the fat cats get exorbitant salaries and over-inflated increases, is hypocritical? I thought at the time I heard this that at least they see the imbalance and are doing something about it. Seems I was either wrong or that was just lip-service - again...

Francois 9/5/2008 10:04:29 AM
Dude... why the hell are you ALWAYS insulting other people? "cant read", "not educated" bla bla bla... and PS: the "police" who shot those people were the ones who pulled that trigger?! is it not... or did the dep minister do it? You're a sick puppy I wish you all the best with your righteous views on right and wrong.

smokey-smurf 9/5/2008 10:04:34 AM
I got 20% this year. I worked hard for it. You got a problem with that, Len?

SKB 9/5/2008 10:05:10 AM
Go Tito! The man deserves it.

DAB 9/5/2008 10:05:55 AM
You need more people like terence in SA. Well said bud..

makondo 9/5/2008 10:07:24 AM
"Yeah, as shocked as you are, I was left speechless too. The bugger is as ruthless and selfish I say! The man is earning about R3.8 or so millions a month! Flip, the guy is living it fresh, I bet he can buy a car cash every two month! On the flip side of the coin, what do we get? Zilch! Nada! Zero!!! Niks!!! Peanuts!"

tshepo 9/5/2008 10:08:49 AM
and we're not the US so comparing his salary to the US reserve bank governor is not realistic. I guess then the Zimbabwean governor should also be on parity with the US governor! Astoning arguements indeed!

Lebo 9/5/2008 10:09:02 AM
Tito is eating Tax payers money.Many people have lost their houses and cars because of tito.

Greg 9/5/2008 10:09:14 AM
I support Tito's increase, at least the man does actually work instead of only rant. He is head, pay market based salary, good for him! I applaud Mr Mboweni for his efforts, Reserve Bank head is an extremely tough position!

Chantelle 9/5/2008 10:10:20 AM
I don't always agree with Len, but I must defend him here. He did NOT say Tito shouldn't get an increase, he wrote about the SIZE of the increase, he also said "I doubt if anyone would blame him if he received 13% + 1% like everyone else". Who's really the "stupid one" here, Conny? You who just comment on what you think you've read, perhaps? And your "how dare you" comment - it's hilarious! Thanks for the laugh on this Friday, Conny! Have a good weekend, everyone

Jannie 9/5/2008 10:10:37 AM
I am so happy that I have left SA to work and live elsewhere. When one reads about these "officials" raping the gravy train and what is worse, there is no end in sight. Everyone with a bit of savvy should get out while they still have something. Soon this rotten SA goverment would have taken it all. All high ranking Untouchable government officials SUCKS!!

ANC Freedom fighter 9/5/2008 10:12:33 AM
The MD of Old Mutual SA earns R1,000,000 per month (with HUGE annual bonus) and the and the lowest paid worker at the same company R1500 pm. This company prides itself on being Proudly South African. But then again he is white and nobody complains. (even Sanlam is performing far better than Old Mutual.

greggo 9/5/2008 10:12:33 AM
We cannot complain about Tito's salary while we are happy to pay the millions we do to a useless foreign football coach. Tito does a hell of a lot more for us than the coach does.

Masti 9/5/2008 10:17:25 AM
Pay the dude what he's worth, his salary pales in comparison to Maree, Boardman etc. Those are the real fatcats who take the cream of the top and leave the residue for the others to fight over...

Paul Montele 9/5/2008 10:18:00 AM
When Cosatu and other unions complains about high inequality they are always labeled, How can you justify someone who is already on million rand salary getting an increase of 27.5 and yet employees who earns way less than that the are called unruly when they demand an increase of less 15%, socialism is the way, VIVA SLOVO, CHE,HANI, this high inequality will bring this country to a halt and a criminal heaven.

Gareth 9/5/2008 10:21:08 AM
you cant use the opint that he 'only' earns R4m. It must be way more, or he's being lookied after by other interests. There is no way that he doesn't get fantastic other job offers, if he's not taking them, he doesn't need them. Maybe we need to look further than the number here, if a ships captain puts on waterwings, are you going to wait around to see why? are are you going to look for a pair of water wings for yourself? Think about it...

Masti 9/5/2008 10:25:41 AM
go an education in Economics or better still keep your opinions to yourself to save the embarassment. Countries around the world have hiked interest rates so I don't see how his approach could have been wrong ? Maybe he could have hiked rates by 1% instead of 0.5%? We haven't had a rate hike in the past 2 MPC meetings and inflation is on its way down and rates will follow so catch a wake bra...

Francois Roux 9/5/2008 10:26:47 AM
I would love if someone could point me in the direction of even on of these 13+1 posts. For the past 7-8 years I've not seen more than a 7% increase on any of my salary slips. Either inflation is to high, or it's to low, or the rand is to weak or to strong, always an excuse. This when you get excellent reviews on your performance, and being told by the managers that you rate among the best employees... Cronyism, this is all this is...

The Truth 9/5/2008 10:32:47 AM
Once again straying totally from your subject here,I do blame the police for taking the shoot to kill order literally.And I do not think that they even had time to consider the police "shoot to kill" order (to kill civilians or criminals?) when reversing their vehicle towards the police for protection,especially since they were being peppered with bullets at the time.

Francois 9/5/2008 10:33:11 AM
The Governor of the Reserve Bank is an important person, should we now offer him peanuts until he goes off to find a real job, leaving some incompetent idiot to replace him. The Reserve Bank isn't Eskom- Tito has done his job and done it well despite being unpopular for it. This isn't a socialist state yet, give a good man in an important job a good salary I say. Or otherwise, by your logic it stands to reason we should all give our money to the less fortunate.

nambiti 9/5/2008 10:35:18 AM
If he desrves it then good on him! BUT....one of the reasons stated was due to internationals standards. Great then let's do taht across the board and enforace all companies to get to a level playing field as international comapanies. That probably means a new BEE/AA or something who cares if we are all going to get 60-600% increases. Once level then we'll go for the 3-4% international standard of increase.

Ali 9/5/2008 10:38:55 AM
I'm doing a good job, I got 3% for the last 4 years too. Where is my 27%? The situation is tough, but I'm doing a good job, making bad decisions on bad information and blaming outside influences. How come no ones singing my praises? Know what's a good job. Helping your people to survive, without writing off their resources to the criminal neighbours. How about tightening the belt of those that want to pay themselves huge 'market related' salaries and not joining them.

Paul Montele 9/5/2008 10:39:35 AM
It doesn't matter, it is ridiculous, e.g. minimum salary for a worker in a wholesale and catering industry is R1850 and it will increase every year by CPIX + 1%, how is that person going maintain a family, transport, school fees etc, THESE CAPITALISM OF YOURS!!!RICHER GETTING RICHER, POORER GETTING POORER.

Brian Larter 9/5/2008 10:41:34 AM
It's a known fact that people in high positions such as Tito get fat salary packages, but to accept such a huge pay hike when the country is suffering under crushing interest rates and the high cost of living is nothing short of criminal. What's wrong with his R4m salary in the first place? It's the old story of the rich getting richer while the poor must subsidize their extravagant lifestyles. He should be ashamed of himself.

seeker 9/5/2008 10:42:48 AM
No rate hikes, and inflation is going down. All the while there were rate hikes, inflation kept going up. See the link? If inflation is a measure of the cost of living, then raising bond repayments raises inflation. You dont need an economics degree to see that Tito increased the problem, while wagging is fat, gravy-stained finger at the people.

HT 9/5/2008 10:42:58 AM
I am a very well educated white person. (still paying off my student loan, didnt grow up very rich, didnt get any handouts...) and your uneducated comrades Zuma and Malema earn much more than I do or ever will. Sure there are a lot of white bigwigs earning a fortune, but can you say BEE? Because there are also a lot of blacks doing the very same. Just don't generalise, and work on that bitter hate of yours.

seeker 9/5/2008 10:43:10 AM
No rate hikes, and inflation is going down. All the while there were rate hikes, inflation kept going up. See the link? If inflation is a measure of the cost of living, then raising bond repayments raises inflation. You dont need an economics degree to see that Tito increased the problem, while wagging is fat, gravy-stained finger at the people.

Cpt Crunch 9/5/2008 10:43:26 AM
Thank you for being the first to play the race card. If you bothered to read, you'd see that the majority of the posts supported Mr Mboweni's increase, some of the posters even have white names. Difficult to believe as all white South Africans are obviously racisits in your eyes. Go pick a fight somehwere else, your racist tone is uncalled for.

Toe 9/5/2008 10:47:21 AM
Wow, nice why not if you can. Good for you you are doing a great job why not get a fat parce. You deserve it Mr.

L van Heerden 9/5/2008 10:49:40 AM
Have to disagree with you. In reaction to the subprime crisis, the US governor of the FRB decreased lending rates and the US government offered packs for consumers to assist them in dealing with the problem. Not saying TITO should have. Tito's problem are often his utterances more than what he does.

Herman 9/5/2008 10:49:50 AM
Against public requests to stop rising interest rates, he increased it and that deserves praise to stick to your policy objectives! Viva Tito

Stan Le Roux 9/5/2008 10:49:51 AM
What a `missed opportunity'! The `Head Honcho' dictating the country's fiscal policy had the perfect opportunity to set an exemplary example. Instead in typical fashion the `Fat Cat' attitude we've all come to expect from some of those in seats of power has prevailed. Tito our `belts' are as tight as they get.....would an increse in line with inflation not have been more prudent?

Fuzz 9/5/2008 10:50:47 AM
How do u know what I know. All listed JSE companies produce annual reports that state executive remuneration. Finweek published the top earners last month, so I do have a good handle on what CEO earn u toss!! I also happen to be an executive at a Top 40 listed JSE company and know how corporate governance works! It's u same idiots that slate Eskom executives yet two of them were snapped up the other day! If they were so useless why were they head hunted, and the reserve bank is better than Eskom!

xyz 9/5/2008 10:54:06 AM
Those who comment with deragoratory statements insulting this mans salary and calling him names associating him with the gravy train etc are really 'nincompoops' This mans salary in ratio with other ministers and the pressure and performance he has to deal with is really no joke. He should be in fact commanding a much heftier pay cheque than the amount he gets.He is intelligent smart and educated to do the job, + he is worthy of a reserve bank governor. Maybe a drunk judge would suit you all.

ian e 9/5/2008 10:54:34 AM
Frankly, all govt officials could get such increases, if they did their job as well as Mr Mboweni. No problem with paying people who excel at what they do. He, Manual and maybe a handful of others are welcome to what they deserve, but lets start docking the pay of the other mamparas who don't have a clue why they go to the office everyday. Fair is fair. If only half our 'leaders' were as effective as this man.

The Truth 9/5/2008 10:55:22 AM
I will admit that I have been one of those guilty of below-the-belt comments when my emotions have got the better of me on this site (especially when I am referred to unfairly as a racist,something which I abhorr),but your continual condascending,higher-than-thou attitude is not really necessary either.You seem to be well educated but remember one thing,you can be intelligent without feeling the need to flaunt it in others faces the whole time.You either have IT or you don't Len,and you don't.

Fuzz 9/5/2008 10:55:46 AM
Tito's job is far more difficult than most CEO's and if he raises rates the big banks do the same. They are the one who are taking people's houses and cars. Look at the profit and salaries of the big banks, it's sickening. Tito just happens to be in public office and we expect world class service for 3rd class pay. People wake up, if we put a mullet in there who will work for R500,000 a year we will see far worse than we currently experiencing! Whining dim witted fools!!

L van Heerden 9/5/2008 10:56:18 AM
My salary is less than what Tito got as an increase. however, how much I earn is none of your business. I am not a government employee nor am I a director of a publicy traded company and hence my remuneration is between me and SARS. I pay my taxes which goes towards Tito's salary and therefore I has a right to debate issues pertaining to his salary derived from his employ. If a company offered to pay Tito R10m as its CEO, do you think R4m or R5m will hold him back? Perhaps no one has offered?

L van Heerden 9/5/2008 10:59:51 AM
I do apologise for reacting to "The Truth" I have tried to ignore his posts, but for those who did not follow the debate on the police, they would infer that I was unkind to the family, when I was not. Anyone who understands English would know that at no time did I say or implied that the family that was shot should have known better. Twice today "The Truth" has raised it up and I reacted. It will not happen again

Jaz 9/5/2008 11:02:14 AM
HE has kept inflation in check? Really? Also (I personally loved this one), "Tightening of belts doesn't mean don't earn more it means start saving and stop overspending..." Based on your statement I presume you mean government exluded. They may spend however much of our tax money on whomever they choose... Buddy, I don't think you understand the problem.

L van Heerden 9/5/2008 11:02:57 AM
If you are going to critic my comments, please critic me on something I have written. I said nothing about the currency. I referred only to inflation rate. We have no government target for the currency. While a weak currecy is good for exports, it does affect imported inflation as imports will be expensive. Also, the movement of the currency is more of a problem that where it is.

Buks 9/5/2008 11:03:17 AM
Inflation is closer to 28% anyway. 10% definately doesn't put me in the same financial position as last year. The same goes for the year before that! I remember living quite comfortably not too long ago; now i'm well below the bread line. 30% will get me close or just above. Nationwide strike!!! 30% all round!!!

John Camp 9/5/2008 11:03:31 AM
Listen bud, did you get the point i was making?? Whether it be 29% or 27.5% the point i was making is it is scandalous. Get with the picture. PS please don't confuse commentary with critisism, enjoy ur day

Suzz 9/5/2008 11:03:50 AM
Wow, was the norm 13% + 1% this year? Because we didn't get that......... You should be happy with that increase! Yes, maybe Tito should at least pretend that he knows what it feels like to tighten your belt, when there is no holes left in your belt to tighten it with!

JB 9/5/2008 11:06:07 AM
Hi everyone, that's our new inflation rate! Spot on :-)

MickyM 9/5/2008 11:07:41 AM
Tito has done a great job and good luck to him - the only problem is the unions are going to have a field day with this.

Thembalabantubonke 9/5/2008 11:08:56 AM
Talking of education and economics, it is only speculated that inflation has peaked. It reached 13% last month from 11.6%. The last MPC before the last one did increase rates by 0.5% from 15% to 15.5% and let us know the countries that have raised interest rates, from what rate to what rate? Has China/India/Brazil/Argentina/USA raised rates by 5.5% in the past 2 years?

xyz 9/5/2008 11:09:21 AM
you have no idea what you are growling about. You have no economic sense in your comment. I suggest you learn a bit more about how an economy works how a reserve bank governor has to worry and have sleepless nights on how your spending and savings create havoc in an economy. Why should he worry about inflation, so that we dont have to push wheelbarrows full of cash to buy half loaf of brown bread, that is if it is available. His salary should be the last debate in this country.

PP 9/5/2008 11:10:15 AM
as some has said...us non-union people in the private sector can only dream of inflation linked increases. And we can't complain about it either.

Rodders 9/5/2008 11:13:39 AM
Personally I think Tito deserves it, but I find it somewhat hypocritical nonetheless when he is telling us to tighten our belts and then he gets a raise that is so substantial. turbo_superboss you say we are commenting without knowing everything, and that is true ? but if they?re going to give him an increase of that size in these trying times, perhaps they should ensure that it is explained to the public, so we don?t criticise so much. Conny, I DO spend my money wisely, I HAVE to because I don?t get 27.5% increases like some government people!!

Zolile 9/5/2008 11:15:25 AM
Len's point is that it is ironic the man who talked about "slary inflation" and told many to fasten their belts is widening his. Most of us would never get more than 20% in these trying times, how strange millionnaires get all the glory.

Ingineer 9/5/2008 11:17:11 AM
I don't get this, I am a qualified engineer with 10 years of experience. My field has not grown in 4 years (SA only) - I.e. 0% increase in 4 years. So what is this now? Should I tell my kids to study finance and management only? This is a sick country! Maybe I should get over myself and leave.

mikey 9/5/2008 11:19:38 AM
and you will feeel ill .... 27% of 4 million is R1.08 million that means he has had an annual increase of over a million bucks a year, that would be a monthly increase of R90000.00 a month in other words he went from earning R333333.00 a month to R423333.00..... a monthly salary of over four hundred thousand rand????? I have some chicken wings to eat - and I'm lucky I can even afford chicken wings ..there are millions that have no income at all, I hate the world!

HT 9/5/2008 11:20:51 AM
Add to your argument to fact that USA had huge financial scares relating to bonds. You are rigth that we mustn't forget that this is an international recession. In that light, Mboweni had to hike inflation to encourage savings in a time when people went credit crazy. And we got some good tax relieve.. I just wish we had Manuel and Mboweni's caliber in Safety, Health, Agriculture, Public Works etc etc Portfolios...

just an illusion 9/5/2008 11:21:36 AM
you should take this matter up with your CEO who kills in excess of R20m pa. Stop whining and get down to some work. Tito cannot save the world.

Paul Hammann 9/5/2008 11:21:47 AM
As far as I'm concerned...he deserves every cent! We need to pay people well to keep them from going to the private sector. Directors of the major banks, with 20% of his responsibility..earn over 10 x that amount. I find this article very short sighted indeed!

p i 9/5/2008 11:22:13 AM
GREAT INCREASE FOR A MAN TAKES BAD DECISIONS INFLATION DOES NOT AFFECT HIS WAIST LINE FROM WHAT I CAN SEE GOD BLESS AFRICA AND ALL ITS GREAT LEADERS

Paul Hammann 9/5/2008 11:22:20 AM
As far as I'm concerned...he deserves every cent! We need to pay people well to keep them from going to the private sector. Directors of the major banks, with 20% of his responsibility..earn over 10 x that amount. I find this article very short sighted indeed!

Paul Hammann 9/5/2008 11:22:47 AM
As far as I'm concerned...he deserves every cent! We need to pay people well to keep them from going to the private sector. Directors of the major banks, with 20% of his responsibility..earn over 10 x that amount. I find this article very short sighted indeed!

Shrek 9/5/2008 11:26:18 AM
To all those who support the increase, your views are respected. However when interest rates are increased & all costs are increased accordingly, I trust that you will continue to support Tito. Feel really sorry for the millions without homes, kids that can only have one meal a day, etc. Imagine how many kids could be fed with that increase that Tito received. I guess its oysters, Fillet steak with GRAVY, some fancy dessert and the best wine for Tito tonight. Hey, but this is democracy afterall.

Jann 9/5/2008 11:28:01 AM
Like many of you here, the company I work for give "inflation" related increases - huh, we get between 5% to 7%, which at one stage was the "official" inflation figures. I wouldn't grudge Tito his huge increase if he hadn't put interest rates up the way he has causing many people to lose their homes.

Kal-El 9/5/2008 11:29:35 AM
It is not a rule that if you preach something you have to implement it in your own life. If Richard Branson advised middle class people to reduce spending, does it mean he has to stop buying expensive stuff as well??? No. Tito gives excellent financial advice for the country as a whole. He is a top earner and does not have to adhere to his advice because of his top earning position. He deserves his salary and increase because of the vital role he plays to keep our economy stable.

Per Cent Age 9/5/2008 11:29:35 AM
I used to work for the largest IT company in the country. They once gave me an increase of, and I shit you not, 3.785%. I was gob-smacked. My only reaction was to tell them I wasn't competing in the 100m final. I no longer work for them and the company I work for now, which is much smaller, have given me decent increases PLUS bonuses each year. So to Gavin and those guys, stop moping about and do something!

Kal-El 9/5/2008 11:30:12 AM
It is not a rule that if you preach something you have to implement it in your own life. If Richard Branson advised middle class people to reduce spending, does it mean he has to stop buying expensive stuff as well??? No. Tito gives excellent financial advice for the country as a whole. He is a top earner and does not have to adhere to his advice because of his top earning position. He deserves his salary and increase because of the vital role he plays to keep our economy stable.

Glory or legacy 9/5/2008 11:33:15 AM
Eric Garner said:"There is a difference between true and false leaders. False leaders are those who acquire positions of power for their own glory. History is littered with examples of false leaders from Genghis Khan to Josef Stalin and Saddam Hussein. Their legacy is nil. True leaders, on the other hand, are not leaders for themselves. Instead of personal gain, true leaders seek to bring out the best in others. They make others realize their own greatness. Their legacy is incalculable."

Rhapelang 9/5/2008 11:39:00 AM
Again you show your ignorance. Commercial banks also state their CEO's salaries. If you knew something about the reserve bank you will know that they give loans to the commercial banks and these loans are NOT for free. They also make money out this. And go read up on something like trade deficit, maybe that will teach you the difference between us and the USA. And yes, as your salary means nothing to me, because it's at the bottom of the range, Tito means something to you because it's at the top. Work harder man.

L 9/5/2008 11:47:22 AM
Tito Mboweni is no Richard Branson. Richard Branson employs people while Tito has created an environment where many more people have lost their jobs, their homes, etc.

L van Heerden 9/5/2008 11:51:38 AM
If you made sense, perhaps we can debate. Unfortunately, you write so much, but say so little. What you write has absolutely nothing to do with any arguments I have made. I do not wish to be rude, but yours is simply a waste of time. Happy to debate you, but perhaps you need to focus more on what I wrote before responding next time. Enjoy your Day!!

Rhapelang 9/5/2008 11:57:05 AM
Then thanks for wasting your time in answering me, makes me feel all warm inside

Malo 9/5/2008 11:59:50 AM
It is not easy up there. These people sacrifice a lot. They dont have time to spend with their families they are always away from home. There is no after hours or weekend for these people.

greggo 9/5/2008 12:07:34 PM
All you guys bemoaning your low pay - the amount of time and effort some of you put into this forum, do you ever get any real work done?

Rhapelang 9/5/2008 12:10:28 PM
Then thanks for wasting your time in answering me, makes me feel all warm inside. But, I guess that misunderstanding the flow of debate could be the issue here but let's not be facetious.

Thembalabantubonke 9/5/2008 12:11:50 PM
So, the ESKOM and SAA guys deserve it too, based on your argument

TTBoy 9/5/2008 12:22:43 PM
Its amazing the amount of time the usual suspects (the moaners and both black & white racists) spend time here on these forums. Often wonder if they get any work done. Unless they all like me and can say "It's good to be the boss"

Filemon 9/5/2008 12:24:46 PM
If you did not spend so much time posting your self-opinionated drivel, you might get a 27.5% increase yourself. Wally.

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