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'Stop excusing rapists'

by Tim
2009-07-13 14:19

In the report Rape linked to manhood in SA, the researchers try to explain away why a quarter of South Africa's men rape women.

A researcher, one Rachel Jewkes, tries to explain it by saying rape is an "expression of male sexual entitlement". One Mbuyiselo Botha as well as unnamed activists says it is due to apartheid, which "made violence an instrument of control and violence became the norm".

I'm sorry, but this is hogwash.

Using the example of Dumisani Rebombo, he knew it was wrong (which rules out him out being a psychopath - but more on that later). The report notes, "He resisted, fearful of his religious parents and their good standing in the community."

Regardless of this, he went on and raped a young girl, AFTER she was kidnapped by a gang and raped by another thug. In actual fact, while the report couches the language in an apologetic manner, this event is sickening. The girl was brutalised and raped and Rebombo admits it! Why hasn't he been thrown in jail?

So why do so many South African men rape?

It is frankly utter nonsense to try to blame apartheid. If you know it is wrong, then why go ahead and do it? What has denial of voting (apartheid) got to do with it? If this was a factor, why are Western women not engaging in all sorts of crimes, given that they were denied the vote until the early parts of the last century?

Since gender equality pretty much is still a pipe dream across the world, why are a quarter of women not thugs and criminals?

So are South Africa rapists psychopaths?

Dr Robert Hare definition is widely used in assessing a psychopath. Some of the criteria are: Pathological lying; cunning/manipulative; lack of remorse or guilt; emotionally shallow; callous/lack of empathy; failure to accept responsibility for own actions; poor behavioural control; promiscuous sexual behaviour; lack of realistic, long-term goals; impulsivity; irresponsibility; juvenile delinquency; early behaviour problems; revocation of conditional release; many short-term marital relationships; and criminal versatility.

So in Rebombo's case, he does not fit into the definition of a psychopath, but the criteria comes suspiciously close to fitting the profile of many rapists. And what about the views of Botha? Blaming a third party (such as apartheid or "I am not responsible - the devil made me do it") really fits the psychopathic mould quite nicely.

So let's call a spade a spade. To the rapists out there: You rape because you are thugs. You have as little respect for yourself as you do the women you so mercilessly prey upon. You are not men. You are an insult to men. You are pathetic deviants in society. You are cowards.

And to those out there that try to find comfy excuses for rapists. Don't. You are making it easier for the rapists to ply their trade. Rapists are an evil, an abomination. Pure and simple. Lock them up.
 

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Wisdom 7/13/2009 2:25:27 PM
Agree!! Cut of their penises!

Willem 7/13/2009 2:29:37 PM
Bravo! 100%. Can you please send this article to "the powers that be" at Luthuli House, where 98% of S.A's problems stem from? Thank you.

mallencolly 7/13/2009 2:29:54 PM
oh dear. There is a difference between academic explanation and justification, or understanding and excusing. The EXPLANATION offered does not EXCUSE the behaviour.

Sharon 7/13/2009 2:34:12 PM
I could not agree with you more ! But until the justice system gets their act together, rape will continue! Why give a rapist 4 years in prison, and a guy that blows up an ATM 70 odd years??? This is why it will continue. Nobody gets to pay the price for it, that is why women don't want to report it, as they know nothing will come of it and they in the end will be the bad one. If we get our priorities right first, hold people accountable for their behaviours, then things will change. until then, rape will just be a minor crime.

Kerry 7/13/2009 2:35:05 PM
Very well said!!!

cuba 7/13/2009 2:37:10 PM
good article

Juan 7/13/2009 2:41:59 PM
Well, If our pro-rape anc govvanemnt does not bring back the death penalty, THE PEOPLE will.. in fact they already HAVE: Lots ogf stories about rapists being beaten/stoned to death by vigilante mobs!! GREAT STUFF!!

oral 7/13/2009 2:42:16 PM
This country has a whole bunch of sick men who thinking rape is all fine - from the comments made by Julius our leaders sure as hell are not making it any better but almost giving the go ahead - sick!!!

ENrust 7/13/2009 2:42:16 PM
@Tim... Are you trying to say that only black men are rapists? you seem to be emphasising the apartheid issue... you seem to be forgetting that there are millions of child predators in the state.

robson 7/13/2009 2:45:27 PM
Hear hear!! I'm sick of people in this country blaming their pathetic behaviour on apartheid, or on culture. Someone needs to sort these people out. Bring on the Boondock Saints!! Personally, if I catch someone raping a woman, he's dead. No questions asked

Karen 7/13/2009 2:48:09 PM
Agree 100%. Woman have suffered far more discrimination, violence and marginalisation than any race could ever claim to have suffered and yet we do not blame it for everything we do. Now we have to suffer being raped while some idiots are trying to understand the reasons. I'll answer the question of why - the rapist is a monster, its as simple as that. They should be removed from society, have his penis cut off and shoved up his own backside. I don't care to hear the possible reasons, there is no reason that would make this excusable so why try to understand the reasons?

Yura Tule 7/13/2009 2:54:47 PM
@Enrust- I think he's saying that using apartheid as an excuse for rape is as ridiculous as saying only black men are rapists.

Personally I think men that rape know it's the only way they'll ever get "lucky". They're actually quite sad creatures that don't deserve the title of "man".

Well said Tim.

Frank 7/13/2009 2:55:45 PM
@Tim, nice article but please read the research article again. It was 25% of the 1700 participating men (All from the rural cape and KZN). Therefore it's not 25% of SA men. Oh and ENrust, read the same article then you will see apartheid gets part of the blame there.

Dewie 7/13/2009 2:55:56 PM
@ Tim- Respect dude. They are waek excuses for 'men' & if i had to be president i ll execute them, coz the victim will never get her life back. @ENrust- The bloke was givin an 'example'- Dont shoot the messenger & stop being so sensitive. It seems it must be hard to be a black person nowadays??? Chill!!!!@Wisdom- I agree 100%. If it's an 'liability' get rid of it!!!!

SimonP 7/13/2009 2:56:34 PM
Why not blame apartheid, it gets the blame for everything else. Quite frankly blaming whites for everything a black person does wrong is pathetic, cheapest and easiest way to solve anything WAVE THE RACE CARD.

Thulani 7/13/2009 2:57:07 PM
Rape is Rape and it is evil 'Finish and Klar'. There is absolutely no excuse for such a barbaric and cowardly act of violence.

Puhleez 7/13/2009 2:59:18 PM
Perhaps if these men go to prison and experience first hand what it is like to have a man force himself on you, they tell their friends outside to think twice before raping a woman?

MC 7/13/2009 3:00:51 PM
@ENrust.

I do not think the author implied that only black men rape. He simply commented on the study that was conducted and the 'justification' given for these horrible deeds.

CTheB 7/13/2009 3:03:10 PM
Firstly, there's never been a study that says that 1 in 4 SA men is a rapist. Second, what you're calling an explanation sounds like a researcher giving what they believe is the thinking behind it, not an attetmpt to excuse it. Third, you clearly need to learn what apartheid was (either before or after you learn what science and scientific reporting are and what the conclusion of the report was) as it was not simply denying a particular group of people the vote. There aren't any excuses for rape. It may be that violence has become the norm due to past experiences, but that doesn't excuse the violence. It may be that people growing up and living under such circumstances become more likely to consider committing violent acts, but it doesn't excuse any such acts. It's not as if those committing violent acts generally have no choice. Even being a psychopath is not an excuse for the actions of a psychopath, only an explanation. The person is still making choices, just based on a different set of criteria to most people, but they're still making the choices and are responsible for them. The only difference may be that a psychopath is put into a psychiatric prison rather than a standard one. How many South African rapists actually fit the psychopath profile? Simply trying to avoid taking responsibility certainly doesn't qualify since most people will try to find a way to avoid resonsibility for something like committing a crime. Just think of how many people try to excuse their breaking of traffic laws and that's just to avoid a fine. Imagine what those same people might do to try to avoid taking responsibility for something like rape.

tintin 7/13/2009 3:09:49 PM
In every comment section in the articles on this website some imbecile manages to bring in blame politics and racial issues. I am sick and tired of reading what some people think are their thoughts when they are actually not thinking but simply Rearranging their prejudices!
@Willem: thats an assumption and probably a lie (you really don't know that)
@ENrust: Obviously you don't know what the article is in response to, so 'your views' are way off the mark

I 7/13/2009 3:10:19 PM
@ENrust: Really, again a racial issue? Get a freakin' life. And state? Do you live in the USA?
The author didn't blame apartheid, other people did. He never said only/all black men are rapists. There are many white men as well, however, read the papers, watch the court proceedings, most of them are black.
The author has a very good point: if men rape because they are men and need to show it and because they were supressed, why doesn't women also do the most awful things and blame it on all the inequalities they had to suffer?

Mfanafuthi 7/13/2009 3:12:31 PM
@Tim-I agree with most of what you're saying but your emphasis on apartheid is worrying me.Are you saying only africans are rapists?
Remember those 4 young men that were raped in Cape Town and killed,the fifth survived to tell the story and was shown on special assignmnent last year? The parents were so shocked,only after that ordeal they found out their son was gay .Various examples of white rapists,who abduct and rape.
It is very difficult to objectively argue here because most of the articles posted will have some racist seasoning on it inorder to tilt the debate in a certain direction.

Kyle 7/13/2009 3:12:49 PM
@ENrust - Really? "millions of child predators?" I think he mentions it because it was used, AGAIN, as another excuse for completely unacceptable behaviour.

I don't think there is a punishment that could fit such a loathesome crime. I can't even find the words to describe how I feel about it. The perpetrator should be subjected to pain only imaginable in the depths of hell.

Rape = Death penalty!

Pop Idol 7/13/2009 3:13:03 PM
A quarter of South African men are rapists? I dont buy that for a second....Cutting off penises wont solve the problem.Its like bringing back the death penalty,thinking crime will decrease.We had the death penalty and people still murdered others,so cutting off penises wont stop or reduce rape crimes..People's mentality needs to be altered and you do this by EDUCATION !

African 7/13/2009 3:18:47 PM
I agree too. This will encourage other men to rape in the name of social presure of being a real man. Only a tougher sentence will bring this nonsense to an end

Mphoroza@author 7/13/2009 3:19:49 PM
Good article but apartheid was not only about denying people votes. It had a lot of tentacles, moron

Lungig 7/13/2009 3:22:54 PM
I couldn't have put it better. Well said .
The examples and reasons mentioned made me sick. When we were growing up fearing (or respecting your parents ) was number one .You never weven ventured into wrong doing if you knew you'll be caught . It seems apartheid is used for everything these days .

Sonny @ Pop Idol 7/13/2009 3:26:33 PM
"We had the death penalty and people still murdered others,so cutting off penises wont stop or reduce rape crimes" Pray tell. If I don't have a dick what will I rape with you dumb numbskull? What a joke!

Nats 7/13/2009 3:30:26 PM
Well said Tim, could not agree with you more. This problem crosses all the race barriers and as South Africans we have to stand together to take these monsters down.

gatsby 7/13/2009 3:30:50 PM
Yes, they should castrate them, but just a little bit every day....

tintin 7/13/2009 3:31:14 PM
@Pop Idol: Finally someone who sees one of the biggest problems within Present Day South Africa.

Sonny @ tintin 7/13/2009 3:36:40 PM
Doubt whether Pop Idol will understand. He needs a lot of education himself.

mallencolly@CTheB 7/13/2009 3:37:33 PM
Well said. I think a lot of people should do everyone a favour and actually read, at least, the executive summary of the report.

SDJ 7/13/2009 3:37:39 PM
@Mfanafuthi: Careful brother, I am african too. With comments like that, I think you must come and work in my garden.....

Ims 7/13/2009 3:37:47 PM
well said - they are thugs, and most definitely not men! Watch special assignment Tuesday - lets see what the SAP have to say about turning away women who walk in to the stations to report a rape - the just don't give a rats @ss and that is why the figures each year reflect "rape is down by X %" bollocks! Women do not report it as nothing will happen and the animal will still roam the streets!!!

ENrust 7/13/2009 3:37:57 PM
@ everyone - POINT TAKEN!!!!

@I - "read the papers, watch the court proceedings, most of them are black" well, the majority of pedophiles who molest little kids out there are white.

lloyd macklin 7/13/2009 3:39:09 PM
I've tried to post a comment on this despicable act [rape] in the past without luck. We need to look at the role of Sangomas in the prevelance and degrees of obscene violence associated with the crime. There has to be a reason otherwise we are saying that certain groups are incapable of controlling their sexual needs. The fallacy that rape of a child/baby and lately old women can cure AIDS must be held up to ridicule. I cannot accept that any sane man would go out and be involved in gang rape, torture and mutilation, unless, he believes that the act is condoned and sincerely believes that his 'reward' outweighs his knowledge that what he is doing is evil. This abomination can only be understood if one accepts that the belief in the power of the Sangoma transcend all normal human barriers. Who in their right mind would cut of the hand of a baby to improve their chance of winning the lotto? An independent study of those who have committed rape must be undertaken with emphasis on the specific influence that led to the act. Ask any policemen if they believe that criminals can be protected by muthi and you'll understand the depth of the problem.

@ENrust 7/13/2009 3:49:40 PM
You mean, those who rape virgins to cure HIV?

I @ Pop Idol 7/13/2009 3:52:11 PM
People are educated almost everyday to use condoms so that, they can protect themselves from contracting HIV, but still people dont use condom, I'm not even talking about your rural people, So you think educating people that raping is wrong is as if you'll be teaching them something new, they know its wrong, the only thing that needs to be done, cut their dicks off.

Sinudeity @Wisdom 7/13/2009 3:55:36 PM
MG migrant? :) Good to read you here.

Nick 7/13/2009 3:56:48 PM
I agree with CtheB. Dear Tim. The research isn't an attempt to excuse rape but merely explain it. Why do you think so many men commit rape in SA? Where do you think it comes from? Any expert will tell you that rape is a power issue. And as a result of the majority of SA citizens being disempowered as a result of Apartheid. And in many instances being disempowered violently and passing that violence and powerlessness on to their kids and so on. That doesn't make it ok. You don't try and treat a problem by just locking away the perpetrators and forgetting about them. You like too many South Africans want to forget that Apartheid happened. Because that's more comfortable for you. Unfortunately it did happen and there can be no meaningful moving forward without not only acknowledging that but also understanding what it meant. ie what actually went down. Apartheid wasn't just about people not being able to vote. How insulting that you would distill it down to just that. Maybe you should put some of the passion and gusto that's in your letter into doing some research about what happened in your own country. And "but my daddy didn't even agree with apartheid" doesn't count. That goes for you and most of the other 'contributers' who are just so quick to reply on this online forum with not very thought through comments. But that's the beauty of a democracy (something that didn't exist in SA before 1994) - any idiot can write a letter to a website.

Greg 7/13/2009 3:57:17 PM
Bring back the death penalty - for rape and every other violent crime.

JW 7/13/2009 3:57:48 PM
Pop Idol: The death penalty would be there, not to stop people committing murders, but to remove existing murderers from society. If it has any other benefits - good.

Wisdom @ Sinudeity 7/13/2009 4:09:27 PM
Yip, it's me. I don't however get "sensored" their so much than I get here! Same here

Phillip Musekwa 7/13/2009 4:19:31 PM
This is basically an article with racist assumptions. If victim to apartheid is considered a main factor, or disputed by the author, the fact that rape is done by people of all races is not mentioned. In redeeming rape from the effects of aparthied, the author nonetheless seem content in its assumption of a racist stereotype. I agree with those who says there is no research that can concretely prove that 1 in 4 South African are rapists. I am male and have newver raped, and so are the many male friends who are my friends. I think in fact my personal experience would echo the expereiences of many other SOuth Africans, black and white. I detest rape, murder and all violent crimes, but we must not misuse our hatred of these crimes as "excuse" to distort facts. If the ratio of 1 is to 4 was correct, I am adamant that there would be a lot of social and political commotion, because 25% of the adult population is such a huge number, let alone the assumed number of victims.

LoudP 7/13/2009 4:27:43 PM
@ Mphoroza. How can you compliment the author on "a good article" in the one sentence and then call him a "moron" in the next. It doesn't add-up

Sheena 7/13/2009 4:30:03 PM
Bravo Tim, don't think anyone could have said it better. They are thugs and am sure they just love having people make excuses form them. I say lock them up for a very long time and let the rest of life deal with them. WE are responsible for ourselves. YOu cannot always lay the blame on something else. We ALL need to take responsibility for our actions and stop hiding behind these excuses.

Sue 7/13/2009 4:32:49 PM
Excellent article.

Simon 7/13/2009 4:39:20 PM
Cut the Goolies off...!!

Puhleez 7/13/2009 4:44:41 PM
If it is possible to "excuse" rape, then here's another theory ... Firstly, consider the fact that human males are more genetically similar to male chimpanzees than they are to human females. Then read up on "thug mentality in male chimpanzee teenagers": when male chimpanzees reach puberty, they often join gangs of other hormonal teenage males. These gangs go on the rampage, killing other chimps, smaller primates and even killing and eating babies! If they find a female chimp on her own, they rape her and if she has an infant, they kill the baby. They even start "wars" with other gangs of young male chimps. So perhaps, after all, the problem with 25% of South African males is one of evolution more than anything else? Perhaps these rapists look in the mirror and, because they see a chimpanzee looking back at them, they decide that they may as well act like one too.

JMW 7/13/2009 4:54:39 PM
WELL SAID!

Zet Watson 7/13/2009 4:55:07 PM
People who rape woman should be hanged ,same for those who murder innocent people. Bring back the Death Penalty....yes these crimes will continue , but after the first execution they will see that this is a law !! Otherwise communities should start to take the law into their own hands , because Goverment only think about their pockets and not the people...

Vic 7/13/2009 4:55:49 PM
I say have rape declared a 'crime against humanity' - worldwide and have these men castrated. If you rape a women, you are not a human being.

HEin 7/13/2009 4:57:29 PM
castrate the bastards... Tread them like the animals they are. No soft policies for people you destroy life!

Karen @Nick 7/13/2009 5:15:28 PM
Thats right we want to forget that apartheid happened and move on. The race card has been played too many times, its old and tattered. The partheid chain has been yanked too many times and its broken. When we voted in the referendum to abolish apartheid, we meant to have it gone, not tunred around and make us (the whites) the victim.

@Nick 7/13/2009 5:27:55 PM
I can't believe it! Somebody with a brain actually left a comment on this site! Am so glad people like you still exist in this country. It's so easy to blame and to hate, and so difficult to try to understand WHY it happens. Decent people CAN make a difference.

und_ed 7/13/2009 5:33:53 PM
The author has completely missed the point of the article he's replying to. An explanation is NOT an excuse. The articles he's so violently condemning are the result of studies attempting to understand an alarming phenomenom in our country (absurdly high incidence of Rape), which is the first step towards finding a workable solution. Understanding how it comes about in no way lessens the responsibilities of the monsters performing these acts, nor their legal liabilities in front of the court.

Puhleez 7/13/2009 5:51:54 PM
If it is possible to "excuse" rape, then here's another theory ... Firstly, consider the fact that human males are more genetically similar to male chimpanzees than they are to human females. Then read up on "thug mentality in male chimpanzee teenagers": when male chimpanzees reach puberty, they often join gangs of other hormonal teenage males. These gangs go on the rampage, killing other chimps, smaller primates and even killing and eating babies! If they find a female chimp on her own, they rape her and if she has an infant, they kill the baby. They even start "wars" with other gangs of young male chimps. So perhaps, after all, the problem with 25% of South African males is one of evolution more than anything else! Perhaps these rapists look in the mirror and, because they see a chimpanzee looking back at them, they decide that they may as well act like one too?

Kuas 7/13/2009 6:02:27 PM
well articulated article, not well researched though. the is a report that was in the sunday times last week about employers who rape their domestic workers, and thats definitely not apartheid. There is a lot of coloured kids born by black women and that makes u wonder. Just look around your community you will see what I am talking about...all offenders need to be put away for good. and this is not hear say....

SM 7/13/2009 6:15:15 PM
@all blaming apartheid. So the black rapists have an excuse. What excuse can the white rapists use?? AA or BEE???? I garee with the death penalty for all rapists or at least loose their tools of their trade.

Willem&Tintin. 7/13/2009 8:16:49 PM
Dear Tintin: As a matter of fact, I do not what's going on in Luthuli House. It is all widely reported on in overseas media, my cousin sends me regular clippings from Washington Post, NY Times etc. Their sources are "highly placed" in "Luthuli House." Hence, I knew 4 days before the event happened what would be the outcome of the NPA 's decision on the JZ prosecution. Also, I knew 3 days in advance that Julius Malema would be "talked to" by the Human Rights Commission after his infamous "we will"...speech.Also, S.A.'s policy on inflation targets is going to change shortly, 7-9% bandwidth. And Tito? He'll get a job at the African Development Bank, overseeing Zimbabwean growth. Let's talk again about me re-arranging prejudices at a later time, OK?

Willem@Nick 7/13/2009 8:28:02 PM
Nick, nice and tidy, blame it all on apartheid. But, what is the reason for rape in the DRC? Their Independence Day is 31 June 1961. And rape in Brittian/China/Germany...? Or Caligula, the mad Roman Emperor who was assassinated in 34 AD, who had "passionate" relationships with his own 3 sisters, as well as half of his imperial slaves? If rape is a power-issue and is labeled as the left-overs of Apartheid due to disempowerment, then: 1)Why is the absolute majority of rape black-on black? 2) With the counter-balance of power since 1990/1994 and all power being given to black people, why did rape/other forms of violence go UP and not DOWN since liberation from white shackles? Just asking.

Louis 7/13/2009 9:59:42 PM
The research is about how a society is failing to protect women. It does not try to excuse rape. None of us act because of a single cause. Multiple factors contribute to actions. Dealing with high levels of rape revolves around three things: finding immediate ways to keep yourself safe (like: do not go out alone, stay with people you can trust, etc.), finding and prosecuting rapists, and finally changing those factors that makes our society so violent. Try to learn something from the information and next time you have the chance to influence a boy who will become a man, consider your options.

Boerseun 7/13/2009 10:58:52 PM
The law should find reasons to put rapists in jail, not keep them out. Currently the justice system let's all RSA people down in a big way. rapists, thieves corruptor, you name them get away and some accused even become president.The law should have prevented him from even getting on any ballot in the first place!

AJ 7/14/2009 6:41:40 AM
Yiu often hear rape is not a sex crime it is about power etc. That may be true in some areas, like in a marriage or relationship etc. Most of our rapes are just savages who want sex and dont care how they go about it. Dont let the psycologists and liberals complicate what is essentially a straight forward issue. Most of the apartheid victims I know would never commit rape, are you so determined to excuse the behaviour of the ones who do. (and yes all races rape etc blah blah)

Dom 7/14/2009 7:11:01 AM
shame...us guys should distinguish ourselves from rapists and figure out a way to Protect Our Amazing Treasures = Girls

Eles 7/14/2009 7:35:03 AM
We have sick people living amongst us in society, some rapists appear normal but they really aren't anyone who commits rape should be given an automatic life sentence. They should never be eligible for parole because the truth is they cannot be rehabilitated and they will go on to commit further rapes where police will have to catch them all over again and the justice system would have failed the person that was initially raped and the latest victim/s. Plus they gave their victims life sentences so they should receive the same at least! As a matter of course these people should be castrated as well, rapists should be scared to get caught. Sadly alot of rapes are commited close to home through family members or friends of the family and the woman/child think they are at fault or are too scared to report it. We need to educate our children to never listen to authority of adults inappropriately just because they are adults. Alot more date rapes occur through drugs and the victims are too scared and confused to report it - I blame alot of parents on how they do or don't raise their children but despite your childhood some people are just monsters it is inherant nothing you can do about it and once they are caught they need to stay caught!

Baasantos 7/14/2009 7:35:58 AM
Whale,oilbeefhooked, my last post does not point only to black people, there were also lots of whites, coloreds and indians opposed to apartheid (including myself).But I think that the majority chose to do what is right instead of starting careers of rape by firstly raping someone in our own families. We chose to go the laws' way and not rape at all!!!

Tsomas 7/14/2009 7:38:06 AM
Can you forward this mail to umshiniwami JZ please.

Peekay 7/14/2009 7:50:46 AM
Excellent write up. A rapist is a thug, plain and simple, when a woman says no it's no, and to hi-jack a woman with the intention to rape her you are a low life scum who should be removed from society.

dave 7/14/2009 7:56:13 AM
HAHAHAAHAHA!!! Rapists do it because of apartheid!!!! haahahaha!! We have reached new lows in what we blame apartheid for! Next thing we will be blaming apartheid for H1N1 or for the next solar exclipse! We are pathetic, laughable actually!! (I agreee with ur article by the way!)

spaceman 7/14/2009 7:57:07 AM
a quarter of south african men do not rape.

a quarter of the men in the sample that were queried raped. the sample is too small to make such a generalisation.

Fleoni 7/14/2009 8:02:52 AM
Until you have experienced the brutal, cowardly act of rape, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. There are absolutely no reasons that anyone can offer up that will stand up as an excuse or explanation for rape. It is the most horrendous act that one human being can commit on another irrespective if it is man on woman or man on man. The act of rape is all about power and domination of someone perceived to be weaker. When you have looked into the eyes of an 80 year old woman who has been raped for 5 hours and seen the terror, despair and shock in them, then tell me that sending the perpetrator to jail for 25 years "makes it all better"! That same perpetrator is then allowed to vote in general elections - how bloody insulting. It does not make one ounce of difference whether the rapist is black, white or coloured (the race card has worn pretty thin on most issues), rape is a hideous act which degrades the victim and causes mental scars which never heal. When you have looked into the eyes of the rapist and seen the arrogance, listened to the lies he told in court and the fact the he showed no remorse whatsoever, then you will begin to understand why these abominations have to be removed from civil society one way or the other.

KILLER BEE 7/14/2009 8:04:04 AM
There is NO excuse for a rapist. I am currently in Saudi Arabia and just last week two guilty policemen were beheaded. Bring this law to good ol'SA and our president will be the first without a head together with 50% of his compatriots in government.

Wade Temmis 7/14/2009 8:09:25 AM
Castrate them, they have no right to violate a woman like that!

hari 7/14/2009 8:12:06 AM
rapists just want extreme enjoyment because they are cowards. they cannot be satified by one woman because they think more is merrier. im sure there are lots of men who would love to enjoy with some very attracive women but they are sensitive and just accept it that that woman has a lucky boyfriend or husband and just brush the thought aside. dwelling on these fantasies brings about madness and one loses his intelligence to lust which turns to anger if not fulfilled. so people like that should engage more time in reading bona fide religious stuff and engaging in devotional service. its purifying and helps to be happy within oneself.

GeorGe 7/14/2009 8:23:33 AM
We should look at the whole picture of culture - as so many blacks on this forum claim that we need to Africanise SA. It is the culture (sangoma)that says: sleep with a virgin to cleanse ourself of AIDS. This whole SA society is sick to the core. Our beloved president is such a perfect role model for every one else. Isn't he just? Maybe the rapists should all take a shower to wash away their urges. People - We need more education and bring these sangomas and the backstreet doctors to book - throw them in jail and throw the key away. Let them rot in hell.

Victim 7/14/2009 8:26:31 AM
Maybe someone need to do some research on victims of rapes and the effects it has on their marraiges, husbands, kids and society as a whole. Being a husband who had to experience the rape of his wife and the effects it had on us as a family I would say bring back the death penalty. The government don't see the effects rape has on our families and community. Rape won't stop until government starts to face the facts which won't happen if they all have the mentality of Julius.

Norman du Plooy 7/14/2009 8:39:31 AM
Calling Apartheid a mere "denial of a right to vote" is a sign that that you cannot really be trusted to make a valid argument and people will not take you seriously. Which is sad because the rest of what you say is actually true.

BB 7/14/2009 8:47:15 AM
Doesn't matter if they are Black, White, purple, yellow or blue, they should all be castrated like the animals they are. This is definitely not a racial issue all the idiots that try to make it one. There are no excuses for rape and doing that to kids, is just as sick as can be. Great article Tim. Bring back the death penalty for rape!

No strangers... 7/14/2009 9:03:49 AM
Most violence experienced by women is by someone known to them , rape included. This is not some shadowy unknown assailant (though this happens too ) . I am sure that there is at least one rapist reading this ...could have been your wife,daugther,neighbour,church congregation...please , enlighten us...why do you do this ? Do you know it's wrong and evil ? What is your reasoning ?

Jane 7/14/2009 9:07:13 AM
I think this is a naive article that demonstrates a very black-and-white worldview and clearly one from a position of privilege. Rape is fundamentally and unarguably wrong, but perhaps you should do two things before you continue spreading a culture of retribution as opposed to restoration. First, have a thorough look at our prison systems and honestly tell me that they are working. Second, ask why rapists have "little respect for themselves" in the first place and perhaps you can really start turning the tide against rape. Condemning something like rape does not solve it. How many people who commented in this article's favour are doing something about it, for example, joining or supporting organisations like Men as Partners? "Real men" are men who aren't afraid to act- anyone can have an opinion.

Excalibur 7/14/2009 9:11:12 AM
1. Rape is not a sexual crime, it is a crime of VIOLENCE. Castration will not resolve this. // 2. There is no way that you can intellectualise this subject. THERE IS NO EXCUSE. Not cultural, not sexual, not a violent upbringing, not incitement .. NOTHING. I am not a supporter of the death penalty in general, but the act of rape is in a category all of it's own. An exercise of mindless power over someone else (remember it is often male children that get raped as well!!!) - deserves the death penalty. As a society we need to purge this, hand over the people responsible. We are no better than animals as long as we are able to find a single "excuse" for it. SHAME on anyone who tries to divert the argument with pathetic political and racial arguments. Go home, take a look at your loved ones, and then just try and use your brains for a second.

Tshwarelo "The Awesome One" 7/14/2009 9:17:11 AM
I totally agree with you on calling a spade a spade. But I have a problem with your understanding of what appartheid was. It is shocking to learn that you assume that it was a matter of denying a group of people a vote!? Please don't insult those of us who are still reeling from the effects of apartheid. We are all for the rights of rape victims, but don't spoil the well through your ignorance about apartheid. Some of us lost relatives to the evil government - a majority of us will never receive a quality education - Hector Pieterson will never rise from the dead. So please, don't act like a psychopath. I agree, custrate the suckers!!!

Peter 7/14/2009 9:17:18 AM
Well said. If society would stop making excuses for the inexcusable, we would all be better off.
Castrate the bastards and you will see a significant decline in rape.

fern 7/14/2009 9:17:34 AM
that stat that a 1/4 of SA men are rapists is hogwash

powerman 7/14/2009 9:20:19 AM
Rape is the most heinous of crimes, it should never be tolerated, no matter who you are, life imprisonment without parole or the death penalty to all rapists.

Arch nemesis 7/14/2009 9:31:38 AM
Rape used to be punishable by the death penalty. It is a pity that now the sentence is some 15 years and you may be released after only a third is served. So from paying for your evil deeds with your life down to 5 years with three square meals and television. No one takes this crime seriously anymore. We should start singing one rapist one bullet!

GG 7/14/2009 9:31:52 AM
Only cowards rape women, they have no respect for themselves so how can they have respect for women!

@ENrust 7/13/2009 3:37:57 PM 7/14/2009 9:51:04 AM
sure, all the pedophiles are white, whatever you say - the difference is when your kind rape children you just call it your culture and omit the "pedophile" label ... call a spade a spade!!!!!

NvA 7/14/2009 10:16:57 AM
I couldn't have said it better!!!!

Shimane Mbuyisa to all the racists here 7/14/2009 10:20:41 AM
I knew, some failed AWB members just had to pull the race card and throw in the word "apartheid." I am not falling for this trick idiots. By the way, moan and whinge all you want. South Africa will never ever revert to the dark ages of apartheid. Now take that anywhere you bank you bank money and see how much more you make

rokovich 7/14/2009 10:23:33 AM
@george

When you go to Rome you do as the Romans does, we are in Africa and Sangomas are part and parcel of Africa, there are fake one's and real ones that is were you need to be careful and yes we need to africanise the laws, we also need more african education instead of european education. Africa rocks all the time

rokovich 7/14/2009 10:26:21 AM
@peter
the problem with castrating is some women will falsely claim rape just because you don't want to be part of them anymore or simply because they want you to settle with them whereas you are still not certain iof she is the right one for you.

S@Willem 7/14/2009 10:49:25 AM
I was about to ask the same question nicely put. So Mr Nick wanna try and explain that?

Even though the author might have misinterpreted the findings the fact remains the same, rapist are scum and need to be dealt with in the worse possible way and blaming apartheid is as stupid and easy a way out as everything else that happens in the country that is bad

McVanS @ Nick 7/14/2009 11:03:47 AM
"And as a result of the majority of SA citizens being disempowered as a result of Apartheid" - so we can now expect an upsurge in white men raping because of affirmative action?

Give these rapists to their own culture and let the people sort them out according to custom. They deserve no less.

LJ 7/14/2009 11:07:23 AM
Some of the criteria are: Pathological lying; cunning/manipulative; lack of remorse or guilt; emotionally shallow; callous/lack of empathy; failure to accept responsibility for own actions; poor behavioural control; promiscuous sexual behaviour; lack of realistic, long-term goals; impulsivity; irresponsibility; juvenile delinquency; early behaviour problems; revocation of conditional release; many short-term marital relationships; and criminal versatility.
Doesn't this sound like most of our politicians???

Realist 7/14/2009 11:14:44 AM
Gender Equality is a phalacy. Pretending that woman are equal to men in society has consequences!
Rape, assault and abuse against anything female, is natures' way of trying to balance the unnatural advances which feminists and sympathisers have managed to achieve within society. For the greater good of mankind, violence in all it's forms is ultimately to our benefit.
Call me a liar!

ashk 7/14/2009 11:26:38 AM
To the women out there who voted ANC. You had the chnece at the election to through out the ANC with it's poor record of law enforcement, but you chose not to do so. Why?

Big Bad Bob 7/14/2009 11:48:56 AM
I don't believe the intent of that article is to make excuses for rape. It's more about an attempt to understand they dynamics of the problem. It's worth examining the roots of the problem to see if there's something there that can be changed or addressed. As for the specific person named in the article, I would guess that the reason he hasn't been jailed is that there has been no court case. You might think it's a good idea for people to be jailed on the basis of a newspaper report - but it isn't. Jail time should only follow from a court case in which an accusation can be made and tested. Not just in this case but as a general principle.

SA Man with morals 7/14/2009 12:31:08 PM
@ Tim and every1 else, well said and an excellent article. I firmly believe that both male rapists and female rapists should be investigated into furtehr and yes, someone from every culture in SA is involved. Apartheid has nothing to do with this. It's a power thing and an easy way to get laid uiet frankly without the dating, dinners, etc. Men out there know that they can rape and get away with it and simply, that's why they do it. No mental illnesses, etc...that's absolute kak!!! Boys being raped by females...and this is no joke guys, are mentally and emotionally wrecked. Remember, we as males, move to our own tune and if anyone else beats us to that, then it's distaster for many boys out there. I've seena dn read cases where young boys killed themselves after somethign like that and even worse, if they were raped by a man / men....sick world we live in and I agree, DEATH SENTENCE or LIFE in prison!!!

Eles 7/14/2009 12:33:07 PM
@ Realist you are a liar - there is nothing whatsoever natural about abuse. I believe in equality but recognise we all have different strengths for eg men are usually more suited to being construction workers and women nurses however academically there are no rules. However when it comes to balancing the household, kids and career women are far more superior than men at managing this and besides having that pressure in some women's case they have to manage male egos and expectations because they sometimes earn more than their male partners. I suspect that you are unhappy and may have issues!

Bonny 7/14/2009 12:44:55 PM
@realist..OK you are an ignorant, misguided Liar.

lixo 7/14/2009 12:45:52 PM
good article.
@idol: How many campeigns, conferences, workshops advertisements, billboards, tv programmes have been done to educate people about such issues? Do you honestly think rapists don't know the pain they cause to their victims? don't know that its wrong and illegal? Education will never stop rape, only the law can decrease it.

ANDILE BOTMAN 7/14/2009 12:48:30 PM
TIM WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN ALL THIS YEARS? , THAT'S WELL SAID ,WE SHOULD GET RID OF THE LIKES OF Rachel Jewkes FOR CLAIMING THAT "it is an expression of male sexual entitlement" IF HE FEELS ENTITLED TO RAPE THEN HE SHOULD DO SO THEN I AS A MEMEBER OF THE PUBLIC SEEING THAT THE JUSTICE DEPT IS RELUCTANT TO EXECUTE IT'S SIMPLE DUTIES TOGETHER WITH CONCERNED CITIZENS OF SA WILL ENDOSE AN ATC THAT GIVES US FULL POWERS TO CUT-OFF ANY ORGAN THAT WAS PRIMARILY USED TO RAPE ANY VICTIM OF RAPE. AND AS FOR YOU MBUYISELO BATHA TELL THAT TO YOUR KIDS NOT US, YOUNG BOY

Red 7/14/2009 1:03:38 PM
@POP Idol: Yes education does help but it will take us years for that to work so in the mean time...shoot them there is no quicker education than action

cuba -@realist 7/14/2009 1:27:31 PM
you are a liar

BB 7/14/2009 1:33:25 PM
@Realist, you sound a lot like the people from the land with the big desert where woman are not allowed to do anything where everything bad is justified by making it a holy war, but mostly you sound like an idiot. Crawl back into you cave. Your reasoning is utter cr@ap, how many people have you raped?

Robyn Perl 7/14/2009 1:47:59 PM
I am so sick and tired of hearing about one rape after another. when is this going to stop. its truly horrific. these pigs are getting away with it. because nothing is being done. cut of their penis's and bring back the death penalty. all of us woman live in constant fear. and it is getting closer and closer. u rapists out there are nothing but sick pigs.

@Realist 7/14/2009 2:59:06 PM
YOUA ARE A LIAR AND AN IDIOT... go back to sleep and stop spewing your garbage here

Raped @ AJ 7/14/2009 3:23:47 PM
Raped in marriage? And you think it is a power struggle? Have you been raped in your marriage? Please don't open your mouth when you clearly have nothing to say. I have been there, bruised from beatings, not able to lift my arms, then to be raped by my husband, who made a promise before God that he would love, honour and cherish me. You make me sick, if you say it is a power struggle.

100% @ Nick 7/14/2009 6:35:52 PM
I hope everyone reads your comment and learns to think before they write. An explanation is NOT justification. Good grief.

Tarras Bulba 7/15/2009 1:41:08 AM
I agree. Call a spade a spade. And it's amazing the power a word like "apartheid" still has. Kinda keeping the monster alive by substituting responsibility with it. Also, I find it quite stupid blaming rape on apartheid, because by extension, any black person that claims that, is an auto-racist.

Craig 7/15/2009 11:33:45 AM
Well said

Warlord_One 7/15/2009 12:00:16 PM
Oh boo hoo, do you want to know why men is south africa rape? because they can get away with it with little or no consequnce. Who is to blame? ANC? Apartheid? no the problem lies a little closer to home. Our goverment is too liberal to do anything about it, just as you are all content to watch the news, see the statistics and say same what a terrible tradgetdy it is. But what have YOU done lateley to make your world a safer place? Do you realise that the police or government cant help? look at our missing persons and unsolved crime stats. really its not that hard to make a rapist dissapear, trust me my garden looks great now.

stop whining and do something about it!

Dany V 7/16/2009 6:10:07 AM
Do a study on every country where porn is freely available,Christ is sensored and "my rights" is the order of the day...And you'll find all your answers.

GINA 7/16/2009 12:31:56 PM
Rape is a scurge amongst our males in this country especially those with so called"Traditions" who think rape is a right. a man who rapes anyone under the age of 16 must get the ultimate sentence"Death" but not in this country that is why people who come into tis country from the rest of Africa, have a free reign.The law has to be stricter than it has been of late.

GINA 7/16/2009 12:35:24 PM
Dany V, you have knocked the nail on the head.Christ is left out of our daily living, he is even not welcome on his own birthday thanks to the American way "Happy Holidays" The rapist has his rights what about the person being raped.

liz 7/16/2009 1:27:53 PM
Why does fathers rape their girls and sodomise their boys because it is alowed in south africa our leaders have done it with their sisters and little brothers so why cry about it now. Nobody is listining to you and if they do suddenly it is swept under the carperts and you just take a shower and get it over with.

bradley 7/16/2009 4:23:41 PM
I am a frim believer in handing over the rapist to the comunity for tribal justice ie beat to death. Electric chair is far to quick!!

SV 7/17/2009 12:27:44 AM
@ to all those that support or try to excuse rape ... I would love to know your opinion on this subject if your wife or daughter were ever raped. Im pretty sure you're not going to 'educate/excuse' the man/men who have done this dispicable act!!!! Im damn sure your wife or daughter will not appreciate hearing from you that 'he did this vial thing to you because he was uneducated and agh shame, he lived under apartheid'.

This country has gone to hell in a hand basket because everyone is so quick to blame everything on the 'previous' government, grow up people, fraud, corruption, murder, theft, rape, failing matrics, petrol price increase, electricity increase, food increase, state hospitals severe decline has nothing to do with the 'previous' government and everything to do with the current one!! Employ people who actually know what they're doing (regardless of colour), train people properly (regardless of colour) and treat criminals for what they are!!!! Black, white, pink, purple ... if you commit the crime, do the time regardless of your political affiliations!

PS 7/17/2009 10:55:29 AM
@Killer Bee..Finally someone who has found the root of the problem..

@realist2 7/17/2009 11:16:12 AM
realist.. LIAR........ talking a whole lot of BULL.. MXM

Aletha 7/17/2009 12:42:28 PM
Cut of their balls, penis, hands everything that help them doing harm to innocent, vunrable woman & children. And EnRust -please stop with the white/black card - it has really become such a boring and pathetic debate I want to scream when I hear it. SimonP - I agree with you 110% Just blame it on apartheid - that's the easiest why to excuse any act of violence etc. It will always be the whites fault - no matter if it is 1000 years from now.

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