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'The ANC has lost control'

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2008-12-03 14:01

Thabang Motsohi, News24 User

It is fascinating to see that the Obama phenomenon has made more people, young and old, feel the need to exercise their civic responsibility and seriously reflect on how well they are governed and which party deserves to be the beneficiary of their democratic mandate.

This can only be good for our young democracy.

In the minds of many people, the decision by the ANC to retain the alliance partnership post 1994 was a fatal mistake. It is now evident that the locus of authority in the structure was not defined.

The ANC is the dominant partner in this relationship and in such a situation it must demonstrate visible and unambiguous leadership and control on all the key characteristics that define the brand value. This has been pathetically lacking.

The internal leadership battles that have pre-occupied the focus of the ANC in the past two years have left a serious structural weakness. The communist party has pounced on this opportunity and has emerged as the visible custodian of policy and strategic leadership during this period.

SACP stolen the leadership

It has indeed become very difficult to deny that the SACP has not stolen the heart and intellectual leadership of the ANC. This may in fact not be necessarily true, but in politics perception is everything.

There is a feeling among the ordinary people that they voted for the ANC and yet command and control seem to reside with the SACP! The decision to remove Thabo Mbeki from the Presidency, the disbanding of the Scorpions contrary to public opinion and the push for election of JZ as President of the ANC are key policy decisions that were led by the communist party.

The current split in the party is not an unexpected outcome given the lamentable absence of leadership. How else does one explain the free reign granted, by design or neglect, to this irascible youth league cretin who has the guts to threaten, in public, to kill on behalf of Zuma.

The tragic part is that these pronouncements are made in the presence of the ANC President and he has said nothing. The vitriolic comments and attacks on our institutions of democracy, like the judiciary, by the current ANC leadership is patently against the values and policies that we know the ANC brand represents.

Hope to rule?

Descent into a state of lawlessness begins with chipping away at such institutions by a leadership motivated by something less than pure public interest. It is worth recalling what Njabulo Ndebele stated recently: "If these events diminish constituted office, they do not spare the ANC itself from its own hand".

He further asks: "What kind of country, then, does the emergent ANC hope to rule when the institutions it will need to rule successfully will have been emptied out by the organisation itself (unless it defines its success as the destruction of those institutions)?"

This is a key question of the times. Political accountability is one of the critical values entrenched in the constitution and at the basic level we need to ask whether our electoral system has served us well on this question. As Van Zyl Slabbert states: "The current system, which is a closed list proportional system, does not give voters access to a public representative"

The ANC has dominated the political space for so long that it is easy to become insular and arrogant. The emergence of a new party can offer the voting public an alternative and it should be welcomed. In politics, when a break away occurs under your watch, it is a disaster of profound proportions that calls for the leader to resign.

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Spongebob 12/3/2008 2:14:40 PM
We don't have strong opposition parties

george 12/3/2008 2:15:44 PM
LETS worry about elections and political parties next year.Lets have a letter regarding all the NGO's that are out there helping the South African Population , What they do , What they need and how South African Public can help.

jon 12/3/2008 2:19:23 PM
In mind the split has been sad but good for SA as it has got more people involved in thinking on how they want our politicians to represent us. Africa has a history of worshipping politicians, this seems to be changing in SA. Deliver or get out is the message

Smanga Zulu 12/3/2008 2:22:29 PM
Don't people have better things to do than bash the African National Congress? I wonder...

jon 12/3/2008 2:25:05 PM
these letters etc show we are waking up politcally and not being passive anymore it also indicates to me why we will never be a Zim. The youth are standing up and saying who they want to represent them. Politicians need to deliver of ship out.

Zolile 12/3/2008 2:25:38 PM
Thabo Mbeki once said in the Polokwane run-up "Don't allow th ANC to be hijacked" Most thought he was desperate to hold on to dear power. What he meant was that the ANC should be on its own. But then again people will argue that it needs the alliance. That would mean the alliance leaders are stupid. they get used by the ANC which never articulate their policies, or the ANC articulates alliance policies at the expense of its own Bring Thabo back!

nthatuwa 12/3/2008 2:32:11 PM
We have two Presidents.Jacob Zuma,oversees SA matters,Kgalema Motlanthe is working outside & has no say whatsoever on SA issues.Cosatu & SACP oversee the ecomonic issues and ANCYL is the SADF(SAAF-South African Attack force)lol.SA has been hijacked by Pirates.....

T-man 12/3/2008 2:33:28 PM
Everytime I log in this blog there's nothing but biased letters/opinions against the ANC. I'm beginning to think that this blog is nothing but a blatant COPE/DA campaign. I wouldn't be surprised if the publisher of these letters is a die-hard DA/COPE member using this platform to discredit the ANC.

Lotus 12/3/2008 2:34:19 PM
The ANC has pulled out of a debate on the constitution. The reason - there is no threat to the constitution. More likely and true is that they know they will make fools of themselves because all they can do is insult others but cant articulate adecent thought!

Gerald 12/3/2008 2:35:03 PM
It's the ruling party ,our taxes go to them ,you don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure that out Smanga

Pied piper 12/3/2008 2:36:26 PM
Thank you so much George, if only everyone can share common feeling about the NPO's & NGO's

Vavier Luleki 12/3/2008 2:38:24 PM
South Africans need to be visionaries and worry more about the future and not look to the past for directions. The ANC failed to change with the times to be relevant in todays terms and continued liberation rhetoric when what's needed is service delivery. Service delivery was blurred by corruption, and corruption fighting institutions are being shut down to protect ANC members caught with their fingers in the cookie jar. Vote intelligently and avoid Zim-like disasters.

Nico 12/3/2008 2:38:34 PM
One of the (many) problems is that ministers and other senior people in government are not really held accountable for their actions/decisions. Sure - there are some brilliant people there, but why do we keep on re-shuffling the poor performers into other positions? Get the absolute best person for the job, and I think it will already go a lot better.

andy 12/3/2008 2:39:12 PM
about making them accountable, already we are starting to be respected as voters by the parties wanting our votes. We should take a leaf from the US and vote, as difficult as it maybe, with our heads not hearts or skin colour.

Ginger 12/3/2008 2:43:01 PM
I think Obama is making people think - he seems to be good and clean and fresh and the Americans are very proud of him. Maybe what we need is somebody brand new in politics. Somebody whose parents were one black and one white. A person who finished matric but did not get a nice overseas exile education. This candidate should also have not grown up rich and spoilt but be aware of things at a more grass roots level. Most importantly of all this man must have no corruption charges or name tarnish

Deon de Wet-Roos 12/3/2008 2:43:13 PM
What more can I ask for than the desctuction of this bastion of criminals....thanks to whomever/whatever. Now all I hope is that the companies and other spineless entities that supported the ANC are also destroyed. To the ANC and its supporters, those of us who lived through the 80's and witnessed your atrocities first hand will never forget what low-life drivel you are even though you may think you have fooled the rest of the world.

CptCrunch 12/3/2008 2:44:27 PM
Must be coincidence, as I find the number of pro-ANC letters/articles equal to the number of these letters you claim to be biased. Maybe it's the overwhelming majority of anti-ANC comments that is cause for concern?

Charl 12/3/2008 2:48:12 PM
All the ANC is doing is trying to put out fires. Me, as a potential DA/COPE/FF/ACDP voter, I don't have a serious issue with ANC policy - my problem lies in the fact that I know they are not pulling the strings anymore. The danger lies in the potential of the Communists and the Congress people whose fundamentally flawed economic policies may be forced unto to ANC. That' s why I cant and won't vote ANC - they are pawns in a losing game.

Thami 12/3/2008 2:49:33 PM
I am feeling drowsy, thanks to you. It is important though to acknowledge your sources everytime you write an article. Reference newspaper articles where you got info from i.e. Ideas written here are not yours. The media fed you with this ANC bashing exercise and you also regugitate what I read daily. Ungapheli umoya, but you are not adding something new to what was said longtime ago and frankly, ANC LEADS ANC LIVES! AMANDLA MATLA

seema 12/3/2008 2:50:07 PM
Dictatorship is mainly based on ignorance , lack of debate, no accountability and suppressing of voices :- The ANC and many other parties that might assume the Pretoria office got to be ready to be bashed and sometimes unfairly so but it comes with the turf . The challenge is upon them to communicate their intention, goals , policies and procedures effectively . If people are speaking out of ignorance as the ruling party correct them - no one said democracy will be easy

Ginger 12/3/2008 2:50:51 PM
If everywhere had deliveries, if we had good electricity all the time, If our hospitals, roads and schools had remained in good condition and if there was an exceptionally high employment record in South Africa and a low crime rate - we would all be singing the praises of the ANC like no one had ever heard before.

JIMBO 12/3/2008 2:52:10 PM
Although much has been written about the current Political climate , it is important to stay informed about the coming elections . The crux of the matter to me is before I cast my very precious and valualbe vote , I need to ask myself , which party has EARNED my vote . Like anything in live nothing comed for free , and if none has earned my vote , I will spoil my vote , hence that way I will contribute toward breaking the Ruling party's 2/3 majority and thus level the playing field .

Ginger 12/3/2008 2:52:36 PM
If everywhere had deliveries, if we had good electricity all the time, If our hospitals, roads and schools had remained in good condition and if there was an exceptionally high employment record in South Africa and a low crime rate - we would all be singing the praises of the ANC like no one had ever heard before.

malcolmx 12/3/2008 2:52:57 PM
The ANC never had control to begin with. They never will. Its a simple impossibility. They where just an allowed experiment which we all knew would go wrong. Time to wrap up the experiment & get back to running the country.

Lefty 12/3/2008 2:53:50 PM
The ANC need Thabo Mbeki now more than before, he was the only person who can put the SACP & Cosatu to their place, zuma's supporter believe that he entertain others people thoughts without accepting them and in my mind I think what kind of fool are these people. SACP & Cosatu leads brigade of people who do not care about logic, constitution, judiciaries and etc. If zuma thinks he is pulling a fast one on Blade & Vavi, he will suffer more than mbeki suffered.

Love Africa 12/3/2008 2:57:29 PM
If you feel the ANC has done enough for you in the last 4 years then vote for them if they haven't and feel COPE will vote for them, if you think COPE is just another ANC and won't do anything for you Vote IFP, DA. One party will never keep everyone happy, but remember vote with your heads not your hearts. Make the party's earn your vote.

Thokozani 12/3/2008 2:57:51 PM
with some of your points, ANC alliance partners seem to be calling the shots when it comes to decision making, which on it's own presents instability within the party. However choosing the new party(COPE) as an alternative, i don't think so. The ANC has done it's work and continues doing so, regardless of pitfalls here and there, which can be corrected. We can't alternate the amount of work done in the past 15 years with some poor excuse for a party, with leaders gunning for thier pride.

Rainbow Nation 12/3/2008 2:59:35 PM
The sad truth is that we don't need to discredit the ANC - they have proven to be able to do more damage to their own name that any other party ever could hope for. We only repeat the truth. The ANC will be responsible for their own downfall. Also, you want to know why it seems everyone on this forum is agains ANC - its not that we are all against ANC, we are just more than you - yourself, as an ANC supporter has become the minority of late. Viva COPE & DA!

STALLION 12/3/2008 3:00:29 PM
It is most alarming that certain South Africans believe that the ANC is way above criticism. Therefore letting the ANC get away with corruption, appointment of incapable relatives in goverment positions, theft of state monies and earnies huge salaries whilst doing nothing.

Joseph Mogoru 12/3/2008 3:08:59 PM
Power hungry Vavi and Nzimande helped made drastic decisions now you reraly see them on media because they've notice the DAMAGE they've caused and are poor in strategies but good in destructing/opposition.You can't even compare zuma to Obama....Joe7

lloyd macklin 12/3/2008 3:09:00 PM
you do not deserve a vote if you believe that spoiling a ballot reduces the % of votes cast for the ANC. After 14 years people still need 'voter education'. I give up...

Point Blank 12/3/2008 3:11:27 PM
Dude, why bring DA into this? There has been one article on the DA and the rest have been on the ANC and COPE. You have just shown us that you are the one who is intolerant of other parties, tho mention a party that does not form part of any discussion is a clear indicator. Furthermore, 99% of the articles are written by black people and we all know that black people largely are not DA supporters now are they? If you want to you too can slag off COPE as has been done.

Lucky Ralawe 12/3/2008 3:11:53 PM
There was a debate called by the Helen Suzman Foundation to discuss the sanctity of the Constitution. No prices for guessing that the rationale was to get the ANC's commitment, given their unconstitutional remarks following the post Polokwan Malemasation of the movement. They chickened out and failed to exercise their "leadership" in protecting the Constitution. But I have to concede: the "ANC Leads" ... ONLY the brainless.

Wiseman 12/3/2008 3:13:23 PM
Only so called cadres are appointed in local government and one comrade is not allowed to split on another.If he or she dare to respect the Constitution they are called coconuts and even fired. Local government is so dysfunctional - arrange public meetings and just don't pitch up. A former councilor who was appointed as a municipal official was charged with sexual harassment and despite the charge, placed no 1 on party candidate list. Whereto now?

Cape Town Kid 12/3/2008 3:19:28 PM
I think if Steve Biko had been alive,he would have been extremely harsh with the resocialization of our brothers.He certainly had warned us against this opportunism. The democratisation of our society has bred some unsavoury habits.But then there are those amongst us who will not give up.After all the spoils, I still believe that we are on the path to finding the holy grail.So despite all these efforts to divide us, WE will stand and deliver!After 14yrs of huge challnges,your expectatn is CRUDE!

Steph 12/3/2008 3:19:33 PM
It may also be that no one (including yourself) will write a pro-ANC letter, because there are no pro's. Or it could be that they cannot write a letter (even if they wanted to) because the ANC has not pulled through on education for their dedicated followers. And their dedicated followers are only that because they are uneducated. I'm sure if you wrote a letter to the editor being Pro-ANC, they would publish it. But remember... Dear Editor, is only two words. They will not publish it in that case

Steph 12/3/2008 3:21:31 PM
And you read it everyday because it is the TRUTH!!!

White&Proud 12/3/2008 3:21:42 PM
Everytime I go onto the News24 site,I see these silly letters complaining about the ANC. What does this help?This country is run by the very Lalapipes that jump on the bandwagon every election and vote for ANC. Its pure stupidity,but we CANNOT persuade these sheep to Wake up and realise that the ANC will put this country in the ground. Think about it,If we can vote DA in and ANC out then problems will be resolved.Until then,We're screwed!

bonjo 12/3/2008 3:21:44 PM
News 24 is anti ANC, why have we have never seen anything positive regarding the ANC on this block, it is always negative propaganda to undermine the integrity of ANC members, its supporters and the black majority. Why have we never seen anything negative about DA, FF+, boeremag, De Klerk, Verwoed, Dr Death Basson, the racist afrikaners? Why are our black brothers selling out the freedom we obtained through blood shed? Why are we having so many Joe Seremanes, in house niggers? why black brother?

BD 12/3/2008 3:28:27 PM
a month ago I would have never said this, but the ANC is destroying themselves. Tribal believes, Professing the equavilant to God, Loud out bursts, no thought going into words said. They had 2/3 vote, it looks to me like it may drop to 1/3 or less. Don't forget, alot of non-blacks (including brown people), did not vote and they will make the difference. Now ANC, what are you going to do, Kill Again! Ek wag vir daai dag! met Angs. Respect the Democratic right of the SA people! you are just bullies

Gerrit 12/3/2008 3:31:17 PM
The ANC still make use of revolutionary slogans and propoganda like the old Communists of the 1950's & 60's (Stalin,Breschnef)especially the ANCYL. They got stuck in a long forgotten timezone with the illusion that communism creates an utopia. The revolution is over, and the playground is leveled.It is time to put your money where your mouth is and produce!

notbashing 12/3/2008 3:31:59 PM
its also your right to support your party but so is it everyone elses I do however point out that unfortunately politicians should only be as good as what they deliver on your behalf. Politcal parties should not be supported merely because of their skin colour or past but on what they can do for you. "skate to where the puk is not where it was". Me I am excited because it wont be long before South Africans vote with their heads and not skin colour...

Al 12/3/2008 3:32:23 PM
Thabang you have hit the nail on the head. I also do think the ANC has been hijacked by the SACP. The ideological battle between the ANC and the SACP is not new by the way. It is for this reason that the SACP strategically supported a not so sophisticated JZ for ANC leadership so it becomes easy to hijack the ANC. Lets face it, Mbeki was too sophisticated and clever for them.

chipo 12/3/2008 3:34:39 PM
How would u explain The SACP Chairman being ANC Secretary General. Where in this world have you heard one person holding positions in different parties...HIJACK IT IS.

TJ 12/3/2008 3:35:48 PM
@ Thami, I just knew that you would comment here, now we just have to wait for Jabu! Answer one question: Do you have faith in a man with standard 2 education, been accused of rape and corruption and seriously thinks that showering and eating garlic can cure AIDS?? No wonder our country is heading downhill!

Lebo 12/3/2008 3:38:10 PM
None of the users are obliged to support the ANC and or its policies. If you feel people are not understanding or missing the point, state your case- please dont be a cry-baby here! People are expressing their opinions-you are free too.

Glock 22c 12/3/2008 3:39:38 PM
This is getting borring now news 24 , I will never ever vote for the ANC and Jabu Pule will never like the white man ,its been said n million times in the last week !

DS 12/3/2008 3:40:05 PM
For those who are continually pro ANC, I would like to hear why. Our country is in far worse shape than ever, The NATS werent great but the ANC has been worse for the single reason that we live like prisoners in our homes, fearful of violent crime. So please tell me why ANC is so wonderful, I see nothing but degredation under their rule. SA is worse off!

jackey 12/3/2008 3:40:58 PM
The only reason we do not see anything positive from the ANC is coz.......er..The is nothing positive about this current ANC leadership to publish and do not blame news24 for that. Let your leaders say something positive and it will be published.What is positive is promoting hate speech ?? What is positive when your leader is always is court for corruption charges and yet he cant face or @least try to clear his name ??He knows that his GUILTY as sin...

DS 12/3/2008 3:43:07 PM
Can those die hard ANC supporters please tell me why they think the ANC is so wonderful. After years of corruption, more AIDS, much more crime and failing standards everywhere, I would like to know why they are still running our country into the ground?

Thami 12/3/2008 3:43:33 PM
it's simple and straight forward. SWELL THE RANKS OF YOUR PARTIES AND OUT-VOTE THE ANC or shush! AGAIN, swell the ranks of your parties and vote in numbers to make sure the ANC doesn't rule again or shut up. Campaign as hard as you can. Lucky Ralawe, I am brainless BUT I am asking you to make sure you outvote the ANC, is that DIFFICULT ANC BASHERS? ANC LEADS ANC LIVES uthanda ungathandi!

Tsotsi 12/3/2008 3:43:40 PM
We all know what happens once when they move in...

slabs 12/3/2008 3:44:14 PM
So why dont you write us a positive letter about the ANC and tell us about all the good things they have done and how their leaders are contributing towards our society. Lets see if you can fill one paragraph.

Joe 12/3/2008 3:46:24 PM
The ANC was a success as a Freedom Organisation. But as a Government, they are a failure. They don't, have the experience, knowledge or skills to govern effectively. Prove? Jacob Zuma, Julius Malema, ect.

James 12/3/2008 3:48:37 PM
Bonjo, the reason there is nothing positive about the ANC is due to their complete failure to govern. The only reason they are still in power is the fact that they have a large uneducated brain-washed voter base that they continue to lie to in order to stay in power. The ANC have not addressed the education issues this country faces, as that would mean empowering people to make an informed decision, which would result in them not voting ANC. The new-ANC = Zanu-PF

Lehlohonolo 12/3/2008 3:51:08 PM
VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009, ELECTIONS! VOTE ANC 2009,

BD 12/3/2008 3:54:05 PM
we did not sell the ANC out, the ANC has changed for the worse. Sorry, but you can be ignorant, but if you are the leading party you shit will come out and you will be in the spot light all the time, and you will be cruxified. Just because the ANC was their to "steal" the glory of SA FREEDOM, does not mean I am forever in their debt, they must pull their weight and produce. Black is not = ANC!! Get over it

Lucky Ralawe 12/3/2008 3:54:38 PM
As a former activist, I am happy to "sell out" if you see it that way. Blame it on (i)imposing on us an immoral "leader" and polygamist who slept with a woman young enough to be his daughter.A leader is just by much higher standards than an ordinary person; (ii) the Malemafication/Vavification/Nzimandefication of the ANC; (iii) the hijacking of the ANC by criminals and would be criminals; (iii) direspect for the judiciary and the Constitution, etc.etc.etc

jackey 12/3/2008 3:56:20 PM
Do you even hear yourself...We are not selling out the freedom that we fought for..Its brainwashed idiots like you that think that we owe ANC.The very same leadership (vavi,malema,zuma) are trying to undermine what Mandela , Thambo and Biko has fought for and @ least made a huge contribution unlike the this clowns that promote violence , corrupted ,and has no respect for the law and constitution..So please...What with the "N" word ?? You just as sick like the bunch of leaders youll vote for..

Thami 12/3/2008 3:56:39 PM
I am impressed by your anger and it shows that you are following politics at all but only interested in JZ. Again, I urge you and your fellow brothers to swell your ranks and outvote the ANC because if you don't do that I and my people will vote in numbers and guess what, ANC president becomes S.A. president (Polokwane resolution) I was there in FLESH. ANC is for everyone irrespective of your education, how is that!

Steph 12/3/2008 3:57:36 PM
Refer to my comment directed at T-man and you will know why. And you use those racist comments about your own. Shame on you!!!

Thomas 12/3/2008 3:58:18 PM
Hey Bonjo, they are not selling out, they are decent people who wants the best for their families, and it is their DEMOCRATIC RIGHT to speak out against ANC. There is hope for South Africa if "Black Brothers" are using their commen sence to speak out without reffering to skin of colour - We are all South Africans - Thomas

Point Blank 12/3/2008 3:58:42 PM
Yes some of the comments are harsh and racist, but you have to look past those and read the ones that offer constructive remarks, there is truth in those comments.If the ANC lose in an election it is because of the will of the people and no other means.20000 people die in this country every year from crime which the ANC have done zilch.That my friend is the driving factor behind their demise.

bonjo 12/3/2008 3:58:46 PM
Khutsong has been restored back to gauteng ending a crisis created by Mbeki and his Cope allies, we now have a very direct aids program, we are now serious about crime, we want to uplift the standard of many South Africans, we want to cut interest rates, etc, these are some of the positives you racist afrikaner, where are you from anyway? don't forget that you are on African soil, the land of Shaka Zulu, our forefathers, go back to Holland or Australia or England, we don't need racists like you

Meshack Legodi 12/3/2008 3:59:12 PM
ANC will win,The people of this country suffered much longer.People must not get frustrated-The problems of this country are too many that even if you can vote COPE,DA,IF or any other party you will still be unhappy.ANC brought many good things into the lifes of our people.The futere of our many people changed for good because of ANC being in power.Lead ANC

Duzi 12/3/2008 4:01:08 PM
Although I am quite impressed to see that you aren't hurling direct insults at your party's opposition, just remember, what you accuse the author of you are guilty of yourself. Prove all these anti-ANC people wrong with factual information instead of just plain and simple abuse... I must admit though, I applaud your passion!

jon 12/3/2008 4:02:08 PM
make sure you are canvesed for your view on any major changes, as an ANC supporter I can sadly say they have failed on this point and have ruled with absolute impunity and treated the electorate with disdain. Politicians work for you..make sure they understand that

Tomas 12/3/2008 4:03:12 PM
it depends from which side of the fence you are on. For me, ANC is better than the "deceased NP" and I cannot compare apples and chocolates. Besides, the nats had 48 years in power bashing BLACK people in the townships and how do conclude that ANC is worse, quite frankly beats me!

Big Bad Bob 12/3/2008 4:05:30 PM
The recent changes in leadership came about via party procedures in terms of party constitution. The people who voted for JZ were party members, entitled to vote. So the ANC has not been hijacked from the outside. The schism seems to be more along a divide between the once exiled SACP/ANC alliance and the UDM that rose up in the late 80s.

Duzi 12/3/2008 4:08:16 PM
My friend... read you comments above... you are the only person here that sees colour, are you maybe the racist my brother? Remember, the guys that instituted apartheid also saw colour, are you aligning yourself with them?

Big Bad Bob 12/3/2008 4:09:53 PM
The "we" you are referring to is and always was a minority, and got a disprortionate share of resources under the Nat regime. That "we" is nowhere near the entirety of SA. So how should one calculate wether the average SAn is better or worse off?

Avhaathu 12/3/2008 4:12:22 PM
To those who are aainst constrcutive criticism to the ruling party, then they do not know the power of their VOTE, their VOICE. Politics is about power, WE the people have the power and WE the people have to ensure that the ruling party that WE voted into power is accountable. As far as ANC is concerned, IT is commiting suicide unprovoked! Thanks to COPE that is helping built a strong opposition and strengthening democracy. And yes, they all need to earn my VOTE. - MM

Big Bad Bob 12/3/2008 4:16:45 PM
Parties change. They do not stay the same. The leadership changes. Policy changes. A good example is Labour under Tony Blair. They moved substantially to the right, became slightly left of center. The Tories responded by moving a little left. Now under Brown, with the party skint and being bankrolled by the unions, Labour is moving left again. This happens. It's natural. It's not sinister, not ipso facto wrong.

Lucky Ralawe 12/3/2008 4:17:30 PM
By the way, under the Nats, the police only protected only the white section of the society, while they, jointly with the SADF, were brutalising the blacks in defence of apartheid. This in addition to blacks having to contend with the common criminals. So spare us your yearning for the past, it's time to concentrate on the future, which is getting the right government in place.

Viva Shikota 12/3/2008 4:21:13 PM
Someone had to have courage to take a stand against THEM. I am educated, a female and a mother. Can you imagine the concerns I have with such shoddy leadership? Read backwards: Continuing Negative Alliance

robbie rubber 12/3/2008 4:21:36 PM
The day the anc won the first democratic election they ceased to be a liberation party and became servants to the people. They are there to serve the people,not to swan about like royalty with blue lights flashing, acting like an egomaniacal banana republic caricature.They are fair game if they do not serve the best interests of the nation. This is democracy at work,and it is why so many advanced nations are so sucessful.Their elected officials are subject to merciless scrutiny.

Glock 22c 12/3/2008 4:22:51 PM
News 24 against ANC ? what you smoking only thing I have seen in the last 2 months was ANC this ANC that Showerkop Zuma this and that , Wake up

Doski 12/3/2008 4:26:33 PM
Some of the comments above accuse this forum of being biased towards DA.COPE etc. I do not find it the case. Some users have views for and against certain issues, and that is what is discussed by a variety of users. If there is an overwhelming negative feeling regarding a certain matter, then it means that there is a problem somewhere. Where there is smoke, there is fire!! I think the ANC is currently engaging in paternalistic politics, and a "holier than thou" attitude. This may cost them!

Conscience 12/3/2008 4:28:51 PM
If there is so many complaints and accusations at the ANC, you should maybe consider the fact that indeed something is wrong with the ANC - otherwise people won't complain. The ANC is not perfect and currently have many faults. Maybe you should do some soul searching and introspection. It never hurt anyone and you might be surprised at what you realise!

Stryker 12/3/2008 4:31:58 PM
In order to lose control, they would have had to be in control in the first place. One thing the ANC will never quite master is the control of their supporters and rampantly corrupt leaders.

Jonathan 12/3/2008 4:33:04 PM
I miss south africa so much :(

Ulaka 12/3/2008 4:40:34 PM
Firstly my all my taxes goes to this party cuz they are in power at the moment - When i see my money not being used wisely i am allowed to complain. this has nothing to do with Black Brothers or Verwoed. Its to do with direction this country is heading. If ANC had done something good lately you would see articles on this -but the fact is they have shot themselves in the foot with childish infighting and neglect of the people. Do you pay tax? Do you like criminals spending your hard earned cash?

Deano 12/3/2008 4:44:17 PM
ANC, ANC, ANC. If its not them its COPE, COPE, COPE ,COPE. If people are really bored then it is DA, DA, DA. Lets leave it all alone and just wait for the elections. Then the results will speak for themselves, for better or worse.

Jorene 12/3/2008 4:47:50 PM
The ANC has brought all their problems on themselves when they fired Thabo Mbeki before his term was up. I am sure they are kicking themselves now that they did. I am a white South African and I truly take my hat of to Thabo Mbeki for being such a gentleman and I was proud to have a President with such intelligence.

ands73 12/3/2008 4:48:35 PM
Why are your so called black brothers selling out...one word ZIMBABWE...they do not want to go down that road. As terrible as it has been for Zimbabwians, I think that it has put a huge fear into ALL South Africans and made us aware that we still can have a say on how our country is managed.

PUB XEN 12/3/2008 4:48:45 PM
Isn't it great that it is OK to question policies of any political party including the ANC and not feel like a sellout!?! I think it is great for our country that people question things and don't agree with useless populist rethoric for the sake of it!!!!! I love SA!!

Big Bad Bob 12/3/2008 4:49:05 PM
The SACP is not contesting elections, and has not done. It's not like you have a member of the ID sitting on the DA Exco. There have been plenty of party leaders all over the world who have belonged to other organisations, and one might suppose that these organisations exert influence.

Karen 12/3/2008 4:53:52 PM
Do you want to know why? Well, I'll tell you anyway. Besides the fact that they have hugely messed up everthing they have touched, they are the most arrogant bunch we've ever seen. To say things like they will rule until Jesus comes is just asking somebody to knock them off their self-made pedestals. Firstly they should not see themselves as ruling, but rather serving and secondly nothing today will exist when Jesus comes (if indeed he exists and is coming), so dream on....

BRIAN KITIME 12/3/2008 4:54:54 PM
I HAVE NEVER SEEN SUCH BITTER PEOLPE IN MY LIFE,THE MEMBERS OF SHIKOTA. THEIR LEADER WAS AT THE HELM OF THE ANC FOR PAST 10 YEARS,HE HAS DONE NOTHING FOR THE COUNTRY NOW THAT HE IS OUT HE IS BITTER AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ANC. WITH HIS BIG MOUTH ,HE IS THE ONE WHO WAS COURSING ALL THE CONFUSSION AMONG THE ANC MEMBERS.

WC 12/3/2008 4:55:20 PM
Imagine politicians delivering on their promises. Imagine seeing progress being made toward a better life for all (Especially the poor). Imagine the ANC doing this. FAT FREAKIN CHANCE!!!!

100% Zuma 12/3/2008 4:55:34 PM
Thabang, it is very clear that you're terrified of the thought of JZ as your president. And yet you don't even realise that you've had a Mugabe-clone as president for the past 8 years. You score 0 out of 10 for discernment !

Sibusiso 12/3/2008 5:05:53 PM
There a concerted campaign by some opportunistic elements to discredit the ANC. I think you?re trying too much, you will not win and you are just wasting your time.

Gideon 12/3/2008 5:07:09 PM
It seems that these articles are the rearrangement of similar statements being published over-and-over again. And the comments are also predictable. Please come up with something new...

Ginger 12/3/2008 5:26:36 PM
A greater appreciation for the power of garlic and beetroot. A step closer to becoming green by choosing solar panels or wind power as you can't rely on electricity. A liking for bottled water because our water is not really safe. Oh yeah - and a new cure for AIDS prevention in the form of a shower.

Jhazzman 12/3/2008 5:26:41 PM
You think you have it bad, scrutinizing the ANC? Here in the UK the government is talked about and scrutinizing worse than you can imagine. They appear all the time on TV and on the News channels to discuss and air their views/why they do things the way they do with the population. Something that is not done in SA ?

Mshwai 12/3/2008 5:29:24 PM
It would seem that in the COPE world resorting to rhetoric and open propaganda is the best strategy they could ever adopt in endeavor to destroy the ANC. That is not surprising though as we all know that their heroics are devoid of any respectable political substance, but overflowing with financial greed and political demagoguery.

Mshwai 12/3/2008 5:33:26 PM
What COPE is embarking on is by no means unchartered waters, perhaps not by them, and certainly by no means a virgin experience to the movement either. If the opinion pieces like this one planted in media today are anything to go by, then Mr Motsohi will be well advised to consult the likes of Pik Botha, Magnus Malan, Verwoed and ilk for lessons learnt. Perhaps those lessons will make for informative case studies.

Mshwai 12/3/2008 5:34:46 PM
While you are busy hardening fingertips building up all sort of propaganda to disburse in the media against the ANC, the people of Khotsong are, through the ANC, governing. A reversal of the disdainful treatment they endured during the unfortunate era of the undemocratic rule (not leadership) of the ANC by the likes of Terror Lekota and ilk.

Mshwai 12/3/2008 5:35:55 PM
No amount of tired Malemaphobia, Zuma bashing or doom saying is going to sway the MDM off its course to achieving the noble objectives of the NDR.The ANC will be defended!

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