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Cope 'coping' just fine

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2008-12-01 10:18

Len van Heerden, News24 User

What fascinates me about the critics of Cope is their shear disregard for facts. Cope has yet to be launched as an official party, even though registered with the IEC. To therefore compare it to parties that have been in existence for yonks is premature and unfair.

Only Jacob Zuma supporters seem to suggest that Cope cannot make mistakes and has to somehow occupy a space no other political party anywhere in the world can ever occupy i.e. do not wrong and be everything to everyone including its staunch critics.

The main criticism of Cope is their lack of policy that defines it. This is fair criticism, but this party was born out of frustration by the Zumafication of the ANC and hence one cannot expect their policies to differ significantly from the ANC before the Malemalization of the ANC.

Bongani Mageba claims they have been told from "extreme heights that Cope will bring about change in our body politic" but unfortunately he fails to mention who has been telling them this and what is the context of such claims. Then he predicts that we will see nor experience any change, which is odd considering that there has been a significant number of ANC members who have left the ANC.

Worries

The ANC has delayed naming its list, worried about defection by those who do not make the list. Jacob Zuma has been forced to campaign vigorously and ANC supporters have made every effort to block or disrupt Cope meetings. The ANC has been forced to keep Malema quiet with his dangerous rhetoric. If that is not change, I am not sure what Bongani would see as change.

Bongani then claims that Cope has begun to insult their opponents in the most extreme manner that "even Julius Malema has hitherto not been accused of" and cite an example when Anele Mda of Cope alleged that Zuma was a rapist. Calling Jacob Zuma a rapist is indeed mischievous as Zuma was not found guilty of rape, though he was accused of that offence. For this, Cope has apologised unreservedly.

On the other hand, Malema says he will kill for Zuma. I suppose threatening to kill someone is less serious than calling someone who had sex with a woman who is HIV positive, is a friend of the family when you are a married man with several wives, and claiming that a shower would prevent HIV infection.

I also find it odd that Jacob Zuma and some ANC parakeets have called Cope members or those they disagree with snake, cockroaches that need to be stamped over or squashed. Perhaps Bongani's moral campus has been calibrated by the Zuma Church.

Then Bongani goes back to his vagueness which characterised the first three paragraphs and calls Cope members diehard separatists, but provides no explanation of what that means and what makes Cope members such. We are supposed to accept his characterisations.

Differences

The fundamental policy difference between Cope and the ANC is that the ANC seems to believe that Zuma should be allowed to stay out of jail, not because he is innocent, but because he is the president of the ANC. That is a fundamental difference based on our Constitution. The ANC insists that Zuma should not be charged (not because he is innocent) but because some people have it for him.If he feels he is being accused incorrectly, he can sue those that have lied about his cutting a deal with Shabir Shaik.

Lekota and Co could have so easily done a Jeff Radebe and be a turncoat who has very little understanding of political debate and maturity and merely insult opponents. They could have simply aligned themselves to Zuma when the tide turned and helped crown Zuma the King of South Africa.

If you look in the Zuma NEC, it is made up of individuals who had an axe to grind with the previous president of the ANC. That is indeed the very same way Cope was formed i.e. individuals opposed to the leadership of someone they vehemently disagree with.

I would expect rhetoric like that of Bongani Mageba will sell in places where people follow like sheep, but I suspect from the reaction that perhaps he chose the wrong forum to nail his colours on the Zuma mast.

I am not against Cope being criticised for lack of decisiveness in their actions, delay in policy creation and some premature claims. Afterall, we are a democracy and criticism should be part and parcel of that democracy. However, rabid and uninformed criticism waste a lot of space and polute forums that should educate and inform.

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khaya 12/1/2008 10:31:55 AM

Mac 12/1/2008 10:37:03 AM
This is a Lenheerdenifcation, of the quasipoliticifation thats affecting the nation with strong vibration.

MDC 12/1/2008 10:38:22 AM
the anc has always been indentified as a bunch of idiots and well these cope boys come from the anc making them idiots or are the the intelligent ones that saw the light and now want to break fee from the idiots...anyway surely if the anc has a leader with std 1 he is an idiot yes? making his followers idiots too yes?

calvin kutama 12/1/2008 10:39:04 AM
The party is not yet launched, so we can't expect everything by now.Let's wait until December 16, that's where we can start comparism between ANC and COPE. I think for now COPE is doing well even though ANC supporters tries to blocks COPE's meetings.

Mark V 12/1/2008 10:40:14 AM
Not again!

ZOLANI 12/1/2008 10:45:18 AM
If I take Colour, Race, And history out of my deccision, and Just read the Facts, the DA seems to be the Correct Party to vote for, But then What will My Dad say,(probbably you smart enough to make your own Choices)

Geog 12/1/2008 10:49:00 AM
Len, Len,len, Cope is coping on what?. Firstly they don't have to cope with anything cause they have made this bed for themselves and not worry about the zumafications "clan" as you say. Let them follow their own cause and leave others to disgruntled themselves. They will be fine dealing with all redundant political stock hungry for positions. Cope does not have to worry much. They are on their own now. Forward they go.....to slumber

yandisa 12/1/2008 10:50:55 AM
I like the way you present you arguments Len.

Jabu Pule 12/1/2008 10:52:14 AM
Cope has a meeting in a classroom this past weekend in Jo'burg. ANC President Jacob Zuma was invited by a thousands of church members in Eastern Cape (Mthatha). Cope not Coping but Copying.

Cape Town Kid 12/1/2008 10:56:43 AM
Lvh I am surprised, you usually deliver with some depth,clarity and honesty?wat happend chief?Anyway its no use commenting on generalisations cos (1) claims abt the list is untrue (2)Jeff u shud experience outside media context (3)overused malema argument.Sincerly when we accuse others of unprinciple behavr we shud insist on the same for ourselves.If we r so mature(politically)& principled as we claim,why Cope?Plse unpack,cos as respnsble natives we shud hold ALL to accnt for certain values!

Benzo 12/1/2008 11:01:36 AM
For a start-up party in the SA political landscape, they are doing well. As the ANC is firing from all barrels, they must present a threat. Taking it slowly, analysing the ANC venom and respond maturely, will be their advantage.

Benzo 12/1/2008 11:01:38 AM
For a start-up party in the SA political landscape, they are doing well. As the ANC is firing from all barrels, they must present a threat. Taking it slowly, analysing the ANC venom and respond maturely, will be their advantage.

kennedy 12/1/2008 11:01:38 AM
well balanced column, full of unbiased facts.thank you Len. it was a wonderful read.

psycobabble 12/1/2008 11:02:21 AM
You're going around in circles,it's making me dizzy.But you're right though that rabid and uninformed criticism waste a lot of space and polute forums that should educate and inform.Spot on dude.

MA 12/1/2008 11:04:25 AM
Well said Len. I suppose people will see the truth as it is. Why the anc is so eager to disturb every Cope's meeting. To me that indicates those folks are scared to hell of COPE. Foward with the movement of the people foward! Cope supporter

Les-Maada 12/1/2008 11:06:06 AM
especially when Lekota & Mbhazima are still at loggerheads concerning who should be the Party's Headboy (I can prove that)& Mr George keenly eyeing for the Deputy sit!Now this does not require a sign reader to make one understand what Cope represents(Power scavengers).Some of us who knew the reason behind this defaction were not moved by the Shikota Bullies within the ANC claims!Through lies & greed Cope was formed & through dedication & goodwill the ANC will prosper!Thanx 4 dis drivel anyway Len

Squash 12/1/2008 11:07:26 AM
This is boring, its just the same "kettle & a pot" story.

Kabelo Mphalo 12/1/2008 11:07:28 AM
For once I agree with you Len, but as you quite rightly said, this was the incorrect forum for Bongani to voice his biased, uninformed, pro-Zuma opinion. Is it not time to think of ways to carry this message to the less educated, internetlessness masses?

Juan 12/1/2008 11:08:15 AM
Wow, with that spelling and use of elementary language, you are a poster child for the anc's OBE education system!

Thami 12/1/2008 11:12:09 AM
many of your arguements are figments of your jaundiced imagination. 1. There is no Zumafication of our movemnet, 2. You seem very happy with the formation of "Coward of Polokwane" because you thought they might unseat the ANC, Oh! what a hogwash! B@llshit if you ask me. Your COPE comtsotsis are at each others necks as we speak because of positions. 3. Insults were started by Lekota himself, remember an issue about "intellectuals & all the rubbish from him" and now he is crying foul.

Mangalani 12/1/2008 11:16:27 AM
Your hatred of ANC should not detract your judgement. Your indicated to be disturbed by people criticizing COPE but you went on to do the same against the ANC. The COPE critics are pointing to issues on non-policy and are asking how any person would associate themselves with any organizastion without knowing what their policies are. The so-called grouping (shikota) are the same people who brought us Dr Beetroot, Zimbabwe, Khutsong etc. Shikota is an Eastern Cape formation and Lekota is out!!!

Thami 12/1/2008 11:16:39 AM
Len, Jeff Hadebe articulated the problems under "your" Mbeki and Lekota NEC. I am glad our movement got rid of "kow-towers" and "yes-men and women" because we were suffering under their leadership. COPE is a lasting legacy of the "chief" and his "pipe-smoking" friends and a such their aims and objectives will be laid bare for everyone to see that they are neither here or there. ANC LEADS ANC LIVES, unlike DODGY ALLIANCE (DA) or COWARDS OF POLOKWANE (COPE). Get a life my Len!!!

BD 12/1/2008 11:17:42 AM
Len, this one of the worst articles I have read. The idea is good and I agree with your thoughts, but, your flow of ideas is all over the place and does not follow a sensible pattern. But I do agree, ANC and COPE has the same stench and rot. Both act like a bunch of jealous young woman in a club after the guy with the red BMW 325is, because they would like a piece of the action but don't fully comprehend what that is!!! I love that you are changing your mind and critically thinking (WOW)

Filemon 12/1/2008 11:19:20 AM
even though they registered with IEC as independents pending ANCircus pathetic court case regarding COPe name. ANCircus did not cope to register their candidates for the by-elections. HaHa

Sinudeity@Gmail.com 12/1/2008 11:20:54 AM
Man, I laughed when I read those statements this morning. The ANC reminds me of the false prophets from the Old Testatement. "They did miracles in His name", but in the end, they were only there to mislead and deceive. Also, Jesus was quite a moral person. Just because, a few people from the ANC tells me Zuma has morals, doesn't make it so.

Nthatuwa 12/1/2008 11:21:15 AM
COPE was formed by ANC because it felt the Pirates(Zuma camp)had hijacked what the ANC had fought for.Any person with common sense would not expect different policies in COPE,but an implementation of the policies that inspired us to believe and vote for the ANC.What we expect from COPE is an improved version of ANC,an implementation of poicies and respect of the Electorate.We also expect humility from them,not this arrogance that we see from the NANC(New African National Congress).Vote 4 change!

Suzie 12/1/2008 11:22:14 AM
The DA is a stable NON racial party with policies to erase crime. They will deliver services and pull the country back on track. I have never voted for them before but they have my vote this time

chillepeppa 12/1/2008 11:22:54 AM
But not the guvment, they above accountability, right? Or, please, then explain their values. Oh wait, that would make your contribution a weekly one, since it changes with their needs. *smacks my forehead* How could I forget.

Hopnop 12/1/2008 11:23:08 AM
Now then..and they must remember? why the 16th of Dec....will the past repeat itself.. history told us so...take care..the 16th of Dec is holy..be aware

REE 12/1/2008 11:23:23 AM
they say small minds discuss people and great minds discuss ideas, since the divorce was filed the only thing that I can hear from Shikota is who have done this or that, instead of concentrating from telling the people what they are intending doing for them.

REE 12/1/2008 11:23:24 AM
they say small minds discuss people and great minds discuss ideas, since the divorce was filed the only thing that I can hear from Shikota is who have done this or that, instead of concentrating from telling the people what they are intending doing for them.

Sinudeity@Gmail.com 12/1/2008 11:25:33 AM
Man, I laughed when I read those statements this morning. The ANC reminds me of the false prophets from the Old Testatement. "They did miracles in His name", but in the end, they were only there to mislead and deceive. Also, Jesus was quite a moral person. Just because, a few people from the ANC tells me Zuma has morals, doesn't make it so.

Shrek 12/1/2008 11:26:08 AM
'Cos of the excellent work done in my suburb. My suburb has some of the best roads in our city yet in the last 5yrs the roads have been resurfaced twice,Street lights always working,customised public bins every 500m, loading shed only taking place from 09H00 when most are at work, allowing boom gates,evening patrols by SAPS/Metro police,excellent public parks,cycling & foot pathways especially created,etc. Great service delivery.

Nthatuwa 12/1/2008 11:27:12 AM
Even if the FF calls COPE ANC Light,ill vote for them instead of the FF.In COPE we HOPE 4 the implementation and improvement of good policies that were ones set by the ANC.We expect no violence,no corruption,respect of Law and Citizens,etc.Anything that is Light(Coke light 4 instance) is better than the original product,therefore i don't expect perfection,but I expect change & improvement.Something good 4 me,not something that'll kill me.Vote 4 change!!!

chillepeppa 12/1/2008 11:27:33 AM
Now this is the kind of writing I could read, agree with or not, but not feel like I just wasted 5 min of my life that I will never get back. Well laid out, logically justified points. Easy to read too, becos you got the point. I do agree with everything you wrote though.

Sinudeity@Gmail.com 12/1/2008 11:28:16 AM
Did you know that the Minister of Education, warned teachers not to go to the COPE meeting? Pandor called it a "dereliction of duty". No intimidation going on in the ANC. "Liberiation before Education". Now that were liberated, education has been forgotten. The ANC NEEDS to keep its people stupid, to continue. Banto Education > ANC Education

VG 12/1/2008 11:34:44 AM
The problem with the political sene in SA is that there is NO leadership. From anyone. ANC people say the DA will bring back apartheid. This is nonsense.But in the same vein, DA supporters will claim that the ANC has done nothing right since. This is also nonsense. But none of the leaders at the top seem to care what their supporters on the ground do/say.and Cope is no different. Why cant they just fight fair?

konstabel 12/1/2008 11:34:47 AM
The ANC was without doubt a respectable organization that was hugely influential in the abolishment of apartheid and the subsequent emancipation of our constitution. For that we should all be grateful. However, it is common knowledge that many of the ANC dissidents are from the middle income and well educated segment of the political landscape. Now, since we all strive to be affluent and educated, does that not mean that the ANC has is in principle only a finite shelve life?

JMB 12/1/2008 11:36:34 AM
I can like to not be understands your comment. Next time, pleeeaaase, do a spell check.

Harrison 12/1/2008 11:37:16 AM
ANC got respected strong leader like Comerades Zuma, Malema and Vavi. Who am COPE have? I tell you a bunch of has beens who could not even come up with an original name. Even white only party like DA will beat COPE

Boerseun 12/1/2008 11:37:57 AM
All of this is just talk and typical African type politics. Disagreements, fights, power struggles...all well known and documented over a long period. The only person, commenting here, that so far made sense is the guy who said that with race taken out of the equation, the DA is the party to vote for. That's exactly what we need: A vote based on policies and performance, not race.If this happens, the ANC and cope will never get into any seat of power.

Mphatjie Monareng 12/1/2008 11:44:46 AM
Those of us who are members of the Congress of the People are not worried that people are criticizing us. In fact, we are excited because they keep us in the news. We are working hard to defend our young democratic state against a systematic campaign by our former liberators. We want political competition and we are already succeeding in creating it.

Kolkas 12/1/2008 11:47:54 AM
Thank you again for reminding us of the calibre of ANC members. Name calling and insults is all that you can muster after a pretty good article. Shame, Sinudeity is right, "The ANC NEEDS to keep its people stupid, to continue."

Kenroid 12/1/2008 11:49:19 AM
Bwaahahaha...that was my first reaction! ANC love to shoot themselves in the foot! NO true Christian would EVER compare themselves or another to Jesus - even if it is to illustrate a point! Shame on you ANC!

Suzie 12/1/2008 11:53:51 AM
Let's be honest we needed the ANC for the transition period. Things would look very different if they were not the party in 1994. But they have served their purpose and a new dynamic non racial party is required. I don't think it is COPE as they come from the ANC. We need a honest hardworking party, like the DA. Cope's leaders did not show service delivery in their time, and that is why the DA has my vote. But thanks to the ANC for bringing us this far.

Ulaka 12/1/2008 11:54:30 AM
..you always seem to play devils advocate and try and prove everyone wrong. In the end you just show yourself up most of the time as being narrow minded and totally unqualified to write some of the drivel that you do.

John Camp 12/1/2008 11:55:26 AM
Has anyone ever told you, you waffle on without making any sense. Your application of the english grammer is atrocious, perhaps you should send comments in your native tongue, perhaps we'll understand the point you attempt to make.

Denzil 12/1/2008 12:32:08 PM
...I cant make up my mind whether you are a wannabe politician or a wannabee journalist.

Thami 12/1/2008 1:03:40 PM
I have a wonderful e-mail correspondence with Sinudeity, pity I can't say the same about you. My friend I am only telling you what I know rather than hearsays! The truth hurts I know. I haven't name-called anyone but I am only repeating Tutu's observations.(refer to Nelson Mandela Lecture by Tutu) and follow that up with Mbeki's rebuke of the Bishop. Maybe, just maybe you will understand better. It is my duty to empower you (Kolkas)about today's politics using "factual" opinions!

Point Blank 12/1/2008 1:09:28 PM
Full of insults and name calling, speaking very aggresively. Militant. Disrespectful. Intolerant. What can I say? Typical? Expected?

Point Blank 12/1/2008 1:13:30 PM
They have my vote, they are responsible for my area and we are happy with what we have. Low crime, good roads, walk in the streets at night, roaming security patrols, friendly neighbours, up to date commuinity meetings. If DA get more areas you'll see a massive difference in South Africa, let COPE and ANC carry on like a bunch of girls on a plyground.

Geog 12/1/2008 1:14:19 PM
CTK, pls explain your short text message writing (STM)cause I could pick it up but others coundn't. maybe if you explain, they will COPE with your comments. I hope really they cope.

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