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ANC's 'startling legacy'

by Anonymous
2009-07-08 10:17

Is it the government's corruption, their blatant overspending or even the billion rand arms scam?

No, the ANC's startling legacy is far more insidious and has far greater consequences - a massive 32% population growth in 16 years.

- 32% more people to feed

- 32% more people to house

- 32% more people to educate.

- 32% more people seeking jobs

- 32% more for the over burdened taxpayer to support

- 32% more people to potentially turn to crime because the government has failed to feed, house, educate and provide jobs for them


How does this translate?

Of course, many, but not the majority, will house, feed and educate themselves without government assistance.

- 32% more people to feed - with global warming and the switch to bio-fuels world food production is slowing down dramatically. Recent studies have shown that our SA water resources are fit for perhaps another 20 - 30 years. Africa is slowly starving to death and yet the madness continues unchecked with more abandoned babies and street children than ever before. Two million Aids orphans in SA still have no access to regular food.

- 32% more people to house - in its 2009 election manifesto, the ANC boasts 2.7 million free houses have been built since 1994 - but they managed to grow the population by nearly 12 million!

- 32% more people to educate - no classrooms, let alone books. As well-known educationist, Dr Kumango admitted recently, blacks in SA received better education under the old inferior Bantu Education system as any education, no matter how poor, is better than none at all. Presently, most rural children are receiving little or no education at all. 
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- 32% more people seeking jobs - the ANC says they are going to create 500 000 new jobs by the end of year -  while the population grows at another 500 000!

- 32% more people for the overburdened taxpayer to support - This is not a middle class problem, black or white. Mr Zuma, you cannot blame apartheid for the problems of the past 16 years. You grew the population by 12 million but only grew your tax base by 3.5 million - 3.5 million into 12 million simply does not go; 89 billion this year, how much more next year?

32% more people to turn to crime - even if only one percent do, which is not unrealistic, we have another 120 000 people to rob, rape, maim and steal

"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom.   What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else.

"When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. 

"You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it." - The late Dr Adrian Rogers (1931-2005)

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Poloyatonki 7/8/2009 10:25:29 AM
How can you say Zuma grew the population by 12 million, if he is only been in charge for 3 months….idiot. Crap Article

Greg 7/8/2009 10:32:34 AM
I've said it once, i've said it a million times... the ANC is the worst thing that could possibly have happened to RSA. They are destroying this great nation, and THEIR OWN people are the most effected. Crazy. So Sad. The prospect of emigration has never been something I envisaged, but the way things are going, my tax-money will benefit a 1st world, full-functioning, no nonsense, no chip on shoulder nation. I don't think these people understand pride or country and what it really means to stand united. The blind will fall, and they have no-one to blame but there pathetic selves.

SM 7/8/2009 10:32:47 AM
And the answer is???????? Take responsibility for your actions. The people multiplying without considering the questions asked and the government for not providing the education to be able to reason. A runaway (gravy) train is harder to stop than a runaway pram.

AJ 7/8/2009 10:32:50 AM
There endeth the lesson.

mmm 7/8/2009 10:35:39 AM
Well written...I like to the people blame this on the injustices of appartheid...im not white...im an educated person...if the masses can understand that...

Monika 7/8/2009 10:36:19 AM
I agree with you 100%. The masses do not think further than the t shirts and empty promises and they will continue breeding. Just wait for the tirade i.e. how racist we are!!!!!!!!!!!

Cape Town Kid 7/8/2009 10:36:38 AM
Another anti-ANC trashy article.I also find it quite amusing that these 'automatic' experts are always anonymous!

Roy Greig 7/8/2009 10:37:01 AM
Your statement 'but only grew your tax base by 3.5 million - 3.5 million into 12 million simply does not go' is incorrect and should read - you grew your tax base TO 3,5 million and yor population TO 60 million - 3.5 cannot carry 60.

Andrew 7/8/2009 10:37:47 AM
Mr/Ms Anonymous raises some interesting point, however I think as prolifically as Mr Zuma seems to want to breed, one can't really blame him for the population growth. You do not change a culture in 15 years!The African culture of large families certainly is a problem in a country like SA, but is probably still a necessity for the people having these families. They get little support from the government they insist on voting in, so they must grow large families to support them in their old age. Unfortunately we have a vicious circle as the very nature of these families puts stress on the system, but unfortunately also feeds the ANC's voter bus! Poor eductation that the ANC can't provide (because of the numbers, and a little imcompetance and corruption)simply ensures an uneducated mass of voters for the ANC and the circle of life goes on. To compound matters, the ANC sees SA simply as a bucket of money to plunder, and don't give a damn about their voters or the country as long as the $$$s roll in. Viva South Africa Viva. Viva the Gravy Train Viva.

Jabu Khuluse 7/8/2009 10:38:53 AM
What is your point? Please go and read te state of the nation address by Jacob Zuma.

Wayne 7/8/2009 10:39:37 AM
Clearly no balls to put your name to this useless article. The global population is growing at the same rate. I am no ANC supporter but to blame them for the population growth is rediculous.

Faqu 7/8/2009 10:40:16 AM
Well Said Sir!!!! Now watch the sheeple come & justify their governmunts actions from the unjust past! This is why the ANC is 1 of the worst things to happen to SA, along with the millions of useless voters they have!

I 7/8/2009 10:42:11 AM
Absolutely brilliant! Spot-on the problems in SA and Africa for that matter. The people are just idiots - multiplying like rabbits and not thinking how they will educate, feed and clothe their 3rd or 5th or 10th child. But with a role model such as Zuma with 19 children, how can you not grow the nation by that much.
Commonsense and decency play a role. I have been married for 5 years, well educated and a job. I am still too scared that I will not be able to give my child everything that he needs and deserves. That is why I want to wait another year or two. What is the difference? Don't they love their children as much as we do?

Tsotsi 7/8/2009 10:42:43 AM
Problem with the ANC is they did not know where and how to make the transition of not making SA "ungovernable" - Which they are currently making a good job of!

Eles 7/8/2009 10:43:32 AM
Hear, hear this coupled with the attitude of entitlement does not bode well - this includes those who sit back and do nothing and just expect everything for free and those who decide they will take what they want for free! If you cannot afford to have children you shouldn't - and most people should be using protection of some kind particularly because of the threat of aids if not in a monogomous relationship! The problem is also a lack of real role-models for kids someone who has risen above their odds and done well for themselves honestly and capably. Very few and far inbetween! This is where the ANC youth league falls short with their expensive excessive parties, attitude towards women and ridiculous unintelligent statements. If that is the hope of the country we have no hope. Plus ps re the water challenge (crisis what crisis) the incompetent minister denied all of this on carte blanche despite real scientific concerns - yet another example of ANC deployment of inept people into positions they are not qualified for! It would seem that very few of these people get jobs on actual merit!

oistar 7/8/2009 10:44:18 AM
Well put! It is just unfortunate that the majority do not understand this. It is more unfortunate that we have ANCYL and Cosatu etc. who purposefully will keep the majority misinformed.

IandI 7/8/2009 10:44:24 AM
I don't see why you blame the ANC for the population growth!Except for the illegal immigrants who pour through our border fence which is poorly policed.As for education, the ANC has messed up badly for the last 15 years.. just visit any township school for evidence. That's why those who can bus their kids into the suburbs for better education. The poor have no such option.We cannot manitan a welfare state forever with growing numbers year-on-year. Eventually the whole system will collapse as the tax base is reduced.

PN 7/8/2009 10:44:58 AM
My wife and I started a family in the last 5 years. We have had 2 children and are now expecting our 3rd.

From where I sit the ANC have had nothing to do with it, so why is our family specifically attributed to their legacy??

We would have wanted a family regardless of who was the ruling party.

Juan 7/8/2009 10:48:08 AM
Yes thanx for mentioning the facts, and applying forward thinking and intellect, BUT unfortunately this means NOTHING to the masses! All they need to be educated, fed, housed and be safe is a fat man to shout 'viva' and 'mshimi wam' and then all these things wil magically appear. Then when these things just don't fall from the sky, all these anc menestas crawl out of their million rand cars and blame apartheid.. or even the 'credit crunch'. This pleases the masses and the viscous cycle continues.
It's gonna get worse...the anc elite will get filthy rich, while the masses suffer more. IRONICALLY these same masses can vote them out and actually GET that 'better life for all'.. but they wont ever wake up.

Fred Basset 7/8/2009 10:49:17 AM
A point well made. Unfortunately, most of us know this already. Those that bury their heads in the sand will never see the plain truth before them.

SimonP 7/8/2009 10:50:19 AM
You forgot to mention 32% more potential ANC votes. The ruling party have no interest in failing standards they are only interestyed in hanging on to power "until Jesus comes" A 32% increase in uneducated, poor, hungry, gullible fools will ensure this.

sam 7/8/2009 10:50:43 AM
excellent article. just shows that socialism DOES NOT WORK!

SimonP 7/8/2009 10:51:39 AM
You forgot to mention 32% more potential ANC votes. The ruling party have no interest in failing standards they are only interestyed in hanging on to power "until Jesus comes" A 32% increase in uneducated, poor, hungry, gullible fools will ensure this.

Fred Basset 7/8/2009 10:53:04 AM
"The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else." That is why a welfare system cannot work here. In order for any welfare state to keep its head up, the MAJORITY must contribute while the MINORITY claims. To think that there is any other solution is just plain stupid!

Lucky Ralawe 7/8/2009 10:53:43 AM
Anonymous you write, amongst other things: "Mr Zuma, you cannot blame apartheid for the problems of the past 16 years. You grew the population by 12 million..." Has Zuma procreated all the 12 million people to which you refer? How? You also seem to imply that the 12 million people belong to a certain racial group. Are you saying that only one racial group procreated during the last 16 years. I have seen babies of all racial groups who look 16 years and younger. Lastly, you imply that the 12 million that Zuma the Creator grew since 16 years ago are now potential criminals. Say, are they all 16? My logic says some of them are younger than 16. Are you telling us that we have reason to fear for our lives whenever we see anyone that looks 16 or younger? That includes 15 year olds down to 1 year old. In short, your logic is twisted. I therefore have no reason to believe the rest of your article. So go take a shower

Sinudeity @Poloyatonki 7/8/2009 10:57:34 AM
The title of the article says "ANC", not JZ.

Sinudeity @CTK 7/8/2009 10:58:45 AM
"Always anonymous" - Indeed

Poloyatonki 7/8/2009 11:00:06 AM
So you are one those guys, who were stupid during injustice gov….. you now miss it because they use to give you things for free

Martin 7/8/2009 11:00:08 AM
Look at all the pro Zuma supporters, read the article again, SLOOOOOOWWWLLLLYYYYY and then reply, go back to school idiots. Secondly the population explosion was dew to the ANC's scheme to mass produce to get the ANC into power, by the so called great Winnie Mandela herself, she is a member of the ANC is she not.....

Juan @ EVERYONE 7/8/2009 11:01:43 AM
This article is not about population growth, or holding the anc resposible for this growth. It simply points out that the anc is ill-prepared for this! They should be building schools and hospitals etc etc. to cope with this growth and help people live a better life (as they PROMISED!!) But NO, what do they do? Buy submarines, jets, fleets of mercedeses, bmw's private jets, 90mil rand walls etc etc etc..

Sinudeity @PN 7/8/2009 11:02:07 AM
PN, you have 3 kids on the way, you have access to the internet. Clearly you can afford them schooling etc. The problem is, when someone, who cant afford to have kids, have 4+ kids. JZ himself, had to accept bribes, to be able to afford schooling for his numerous offspring.

Peekay 7/8/2009 11:02:47 AM
Good article and very true on all points except for the point about JZ controlling population, he cannot control that, people like to sleep around and the consequence is children. I will blame ignorant people on that for not using a condom... Jacob Zuma and his cadres are not capable of running this country, they will run it to the ground just like most other African countries have been destroyed by "democrocy"... I will blame the ANC for everything else wrong in the country, they are all in it only for themselves. The corruption and the lies is all Jacob Zuma and the ANC know how to do, and now with the introduction of Hawk they are prtected that they will never be exposed to it. One good point that you never included is the 60odd% population that are all imbeciles that keep on voting for the corrupt ANC. Thank goodness Showerhead did not get his 2/3'rds, or else we would well and truly be screwed.

Maverick 7/8/2009 11:03:21 AM
The ANC has created a legacy of stealing(corrupt leaders), robbing(armed bands with military weapons and tactics), murdering(elderly on farms), raping(the judiciary and the law enforcement instatutions), molesting, general lawlessness and crime. They develop a culture of robbing the rich by the poor and potray their selfrightiousness by blaming everything on their past and want to enrich themselves at the cost of others(their own people). They allow foreigners(12 million) to enter the country, get an RSA ID and voting rights(to vote for the ANC). These foreigners loot the resources of SA that belong to SA. They poach our proteced game(rhinos with a permit) and marine life inside protected areas. They invade our cities with their crime gangs. The cross the borders illegally and steal and rob from our country(illegal mining). They think they can walk into our country and steal. They import fake and substandard products and rip us off and cause joblosses as factories(clothing industry) have to close down due to unfair competition from foreigners.That is what the ANC is giving to all of SA.

Phinah 7/8/2009 11:03:35 AM
I actually think that the number of unemployed people in SA (legal residents)is about 40% of the population, adding our Zim neighbours it will run to 45%. The fact that most of unemployed people have actually given up, tells you that we will never have correct statistics. The majority of SA people do not want hand-outs, they are willing to work for a better living, BUT the ANC in its campaign to "rule forever" does not want to better the lives of the people, because they know that an independent person is more dangers than a protesting crowd.In the long run, the ANC's strategy will hurt them so badly that they will need the help of the same people. In the next few years, the in fighting within the ANC, will be so visible that we might actually see some kind of world war. No one in their right mind thinks that you can just sit the entire day and have a degree, house, electricity, water for free. Its such a pity that the ANC is still manipulating the voters with the "we will give you" message during elections. Its time that every voter signs a contractual agreement with the party s/he is voting for, so that we all know what to expect after the elections.

Franc 7/8/2009 11:05:23 AM
Finally! Someone calling a spade a spade. In my view it is immoral to have children if you can't support them. The poor child didn't choose to be created after all. And people who actually can afford it simply don't have children! Curb the population growth among the poor. Stop the child grants to teen mothers. And send the illegal immigrants back where they came from!

winston o boogie @ plolyitonki 7/8/2009 11:05:55 AM
so what you saying is that zuma is the ANC, im sure i`ve heard your comment in africa somewhere before

Fred Basset 7/8/2009 11:06:58 AM
@PN - I think having more than 2 kids is irresponsible on your part, but will give you the benefit of the doubt as long as you agree to feed, cloth, educate and care for them yourself. If you are expecting a handout to assist you in their upbringing then you should take a long walk on a short pier.

@PN 7/8/2009 11:06:58 AM
I understant your comment, But obviously population control should be looked at...Thats a governments responsibility...no a taxpayers if u can understand that...Many educated peolpe have children that are mostly plannned for when u look at the cost of raising a child...but by the non tax paying people shagging away then expect the government to provide the food, education and dwindling health care, now thats a problem im sure he is reffering to...

SimonP 7/8/2009 11:07:38 AM
@CTK, who do you blame for the failing standards of education in the last 15 years? Afterall if the masses were educated about birth control and the benefits it would bring to the country as a whole maybe the problem would have abated. So be objective and tell me who you blame.

AC @Jabu 10:38 7/8/2009 11:07:56 AM
Talk is cheap you fool. Why don't you try thinking for yourself for a change and stop believing the crap that your government is spewing from their useless mouths. Their lips are flapping, but nothing gets done. Eish, this gravy train, she is going to fast. Open you eyes!!!!!!! Think for yourself!!! The evidence is as clear as day that this government is screwing up this country.

veryconcerned 7/8/2009 11:09:14 AM
32% MORE CORRUPTION ANC ARE THE WORST TRY PHONING THE OFFICE YOU GET MORE SENSE FROM A MONKEY

Jakobus Pienaar 7/8/2009 11:10:26 AM
In my professional opinion, you are talking nonsense. 16 year olds for example have not even finished their high school education. Furthermore, personnaly I have a child who was born after 1990, that I am taking care of. Therefore, your 12 million number is also not scientific.

Paul 7/8/2009 11:11:49 AM
I sincerly hope the ANC is taking note of this. I agree 100%

Demographer 7/8/2009 11:11:52 AM
Sorry, I must be missing something. According to the latest demographic stats, SA's population has declined steadily over the last few years, mainly because of HIV-Aids. This is not an article. It's just a paranoid thumb-suck by an amateur. (PS: I think the ANC is a disaster, for reasons we are all familiar with, but really, to blame them for alleged population growth is a bit silly)

Lize 7/8/2009 11:13:30 AM
The population growth is partly due to the fact that people misinterpret the child grant. They seem to think they can get money by having babies, not realising that the grant is supposed to feed and educate that child. Years ago there was a drive by the previous government, encouraging people to have only two or three children to give these children a better chance in life. The response from the People was, you want to keep our numbers down because you are afraid we will take over the country. You have the country now, now teach and encourage your people to do the sensible thing. Have fewer children!

mduve 7/8/2009 11:16:12 AM
its so immature to debate with a person who has let race and their political affiliation cloud their judgement. ANC this, ANC that - yes anonyshithead blame everything on the current ruling govt. You'll get far in life with that type of mentality.

Virgin queen 7/8/2009 11:17:16 AM
Everyone thought China was crazy when they regulated the number of children one can have, but it makes sense because bearing many children means little support to each of them, you will give them education taking into account what you can afford not what they deserve, they turn to supporting themselves because you cannot give them everything and there goes crime, that means they need jobs, I know culturalists will comment but think about the long term benefit of having only 2 or 3 children as compared to 9. My main concern is the poor though, have you realised that the people who are considered poor bear more children than others? that means poverty will not end anytime soon.

Sinudeity @Demographer 7/8/2009 11:18:34 AM
I agree with Demographer. Made up stats. Perhaps this person works for Stats SA.

Juan @Sinudeity 7/8/2009 11:25:58 AM
No the population is not on the decline, as our GENIUS former health menesta single handedly found the cure for aids - GARLIC! - So let's spread the word and tell the masses to keep sleeping around.. then buy some garlic-related stock shares.

mduve 7/8/2009 11:27:45 AM
Anonyshithead just because you people dont have culture dont expect everyone to have two kids like you lot - "msunu wakho" maaaannn "hambo nya"

Andrew 7/8/2009 11:32:11 AM
My favourite Churchill quote is probably, "Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery."

He also said, "We contend that for a nation to try to tax itself into prosperity is like a man standing in a bucket and trying to lift himself up by the handle".

Mphatjie Monareng 7/8/2009 11:32:41 AM
The stupid assumption that 32% of population grown means we have 32% more house-seekers should be laughed off.

@mduve 7/8/2009 11:32:51 AM
Who do u think is paying grants to support your 10 kids?

Q 7/8/2009 11:36:02 AM
@Cape Town Kid - you counter arguement is not even "anonymous", it is non existant. So why make the statement. You forum name is "Cape Town Kid", I doubt this is your real name, you are also hiding behind an anonymous sudo name so that you can remain anonymous.

Mphatjie Monareng 7/8/2009 11:36:04 AM
"Presently, most rural children are receiving little or no education at all." What is "little education"? And, really, how do you quantify "most" rural people receive who are said to be reveiving "little" or "no" education?

VG 7/8/2009 11:37:05 AM
Anonymous..come clean...you're on crack aren't you? where you got a figure of 32% is beyond me. The first census done of all SAfricans was in 1996; population count = 40m.last census = 49m. Secondly, to claim that a "32%" growth in the population cannot be supported by 3.5m taxpayers is complete shows your lack of understanding of basic govt. finance & demographics. The main contributions to govt. tax revenue comes from VAT ( to which almost all of us contribute) and company tax. Third, if you were to take a look at LSM data which breaks the pop down into income-like categories, you'd see that the fastest growing categories are in fact LSM's 5-10, which roughly corresponds to middle class income levels. This artcle is complete nonsense..no wonder you were too embarrassed to attach any sort of initial or name to it.

\~OO~/ 7/8/2009 11:39:35 AM
Let the ANC stop its child support system to unwed mothers (breeding scheme) and there will be more food, water, shelter and money for the masses

Unknown 7/8/2009 11:39:58 AM
Now I can clearly understand why the 1st world nations don't care about Africa and its people.......there is no point in the end to save them.

Chuck 7/8/2009 11:40:10 AM
Stop blaming the ANC for all the problems of this country! Yes, they have made a lot of mistakes and probably made things worse for the bulk of the population. But never forget that this is a democracy! The people of this country spoke in the last elections; they had the choice to get rid of the ANC or not and they voted to keep them in power by a vast majority. If the country goes down the toilet, it was the choice of the mass population to take it there. After all, ultimately they (we) will suffer the consequences, not the ANC. So don't blame the ANC, blame the masses that keep them in power!

zeddie 7/8/2009 11:41:03 AM
Well,maybe aids will wipe out 1/2 the population, then we can start again!?

The basics are people were not and are not ready for the positions they hold. and this is not all people, maybe 70% are not ready!

Papa 7/8/2009 11:42:13 AM
My parents decided that they will have six children, and indeed three boys and three girls were born. My housewife mother had to run the small family business when my father had to work for a salary, with a bit of money they were able to put us through tertiary and our last born came in the eighties. My sibblings and I agree that our family, as decided by our parents, was way too big but we surely cannot blame the ANC government for these numbers. The blame game must stop, people, even stupid ones like Greg(THEIR OWN PEOPLE)should come to the party and offer solutions, we are in this together. This "them" and "us" mentality is way too apartheid. If we are a beautiful Nation together, why then THEIR OWN people and "us"? Stupid South Africans!

Mahlomola Moiloa 7/8/2009 11:44:59 AM
Who are you canvassing for? Elections are over and COPE is dissolving!!! so for who realy? Thanks for a thumb sucked info.

Sinudeity 7/8/2009 11:46:38 AM
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/SF.html

South Africa had a negative population growth rate in 2007 ONLY. Rest of the time, it was positive.

Andile 7/8/2009 11:47:44 AM
We as Africans, should stop making apologies for our ways of life, whether its polygamy, initiation schools, etc. This is Africa, our land and far away from Europe and rightly so, our cultures should dominate. Why do they (Europeans in SA) always assume that all of us cannot take care of our children, as if all Africans rely on grants, besides all modern nations have some sort of welfare for their poor. The whites in this country have a higher birth rate, per ratio, than Africans. We should ensure that our numbers are high enough,taking into account modern designer population control diseases like HIV. As a guest, how can you dictate to your host on how he must run his household, that is absurd.Black Power.

Sinudeity 7/8/2009 11:52:49 AM
Here we go: SA population in 1993: 44 Million. Population in 2009: 49 million. Like I keep saying. Check your facts before you spew BS.

samsam 7/8/2009 11:55:05 AM
Idiot, is contradicting himself, the other part says apartheid education was the best on the other side says people are unemployed, the question is how people are not employed if they received better apartheid education. Let me help you, education was saved by ANC by refusing Afrikaans as language of instruction, if ANC didnt stand up everybody would be speaking that nonsense not spoken anywhere in the world, look 2010 is coming but we cant communicate with visitors. Apartheid system was very heavy you cant adjust it in 15yrs this thing was enforced since 1910. Its funny that people point dirty sport yet they cant acknowledge the millionaires generated by Mr Ndebele Min of Trans,they cant acknowledge Confed cup, 2010, Gautrain all what they are looking for are dirty spot. The interesting part is that foreign whites arrived here after 94 are very impressed about ANC I can mention Portugues, Italians, Germans etc yet the people who destroyed this country to Zim today are jeolous of ANCs progress, you mustnt forget that you wrote the ANC off now you are surprised by ANCs gains, you must swallow your pride, F****f, you are great losers

@mduve 7/8/2009 11:59:19 AM
Please keep your racist comments else where. If you have nothing useful to contribute then go else where.

Lucky Ralawe to potential emigres 7/8/2009 11:59:59 AM
It takes a bullsh!tter like "anonymous" to scare the hell out of dimwitted people who cannot use their brains to analyse the facts and isolate them from fiction, which "anonymous'" post is. Now for such people to threaten to emigrate is the worst form of blackmail. Listen, you have no brains, no one is holding a gun to your head not to leave SA, so why are you still here? Leave quietly because even if you scream from the rooftops, the days when Madiba would go and persuade people at the airport not to leave are long gone. SA needs to cleanse itself of those who spread negativity while those who are interested in nation building stay behind. So those who want to go, please hurry up!

SimonP 7/8/2009 12:00:13 PM
@Mduve, so you dont think that having more children than you can afford is good for SA because its your culture? Take a look at the rest of culture dominated sub-saharan African countries and what do you see? Cultures adapt to the environment, british culture in Victorian times was to have loads of kids, that is no longer the case because of adaptation. By continuing to promote your ancient culture will mean SA stays firmly rooted as a third world country going backwards. Is that what you want? If yes, WHY?

Stryder@Cape TOwn Kid and other ANC idiots 7/8/2009 12:00:47 PM
But he is right. No good building ten million houses when population growth outstrips that. But that is the kind of basic arithmitic you ANC twits cannot work out. Where were your comments on the Nationilising of mines yesterday. Or was there no prepublished ANC propaganda to use for a response. I will laughg as South Africa burns, BEcause I am previsouly advantaged I will not burn with it. Ha HA HA you get what you vote for.

Spiderman @ Juan 7/8/2009 12:01:40 PM
My friend, I sympathise with your arms deal view. Just a pitty no-one else from the ANC either see this, or want to see it. That is why I haven't seen one that could argue you down on this one! Keep it up, maybe one day is one day ...........!

Realistic 7/8/2009 12:02:47 PM
The strain comes where we want to be a 1st world country but don't have rational policies such as only enter if you bring skills or have money to spend.On the 1 hand I don't believe in free houses been given.Give the masses work, let them earn a living else it becomes a habit to expect without working, hence so many destitues at traffic lights.Eskom has been awarded the hike, however people at township do not pay electricity at all - Eskom knows this Government knows this. Yet I pay and always get loadshedding at Honeydew - It's utter Duh. The fight to have 60% of peole living in free houses will not be won -Realisticly so.I'm not being a pessimist.

mxo 7/8/2009 12:04:49 PM
eish those who are impotent and barren/infertile are blaming those who know how to get it right. You guys should be happy your useless gene pool will not procreate.At least in about 20yrs time when you will all be dead the country will be minus whingers

mduve 7/8/2009 12:06:50 PM
like I sad earlier on - its not healthy to debate with people who think that they are superior than others - just like in Rugby : you people think that its a white man's sport.

samsam 7/8/2009 12:06:51 PM
Idiot, is contradicting himself, the other part says apartheid education was the best on the other side says people are unemployed, the question is how people are not employed if they received better apartheid education. Let me help you, education was saved by ANC by refusing Afrikaans as language of instruction, if ANC didnt stand up everybody would be speaking that nonsense not spoken anywhere in the world, look 2010 is coming but we cant communicate with visitors. Apartheid system was very heavy you cant adjust it in 15yrs this thing was enforced since 1910. Its funny that people point dirty sport yet they cant acknowledge the millionaires generated by Mr Ndebele Min of Trans,they cant acknowledge Confed cup, 2010, Gautrain all what they are looking for are dirty spot. The interesting part is that foreign whites arrived here after 94 are very impressed about ANC I can mention Portugues, Italians, Germans etc yet the people who destroyed this country to Zim today are jeolous of ANCs progress, you mustnt forget that you wrote the ANC off now you are surprised by ANCs gains, you must swallow your pride, F****f, you are great losers

Mark 7/8/2009 12:07:56 PM
Excellent write up , the truth hurts and time waits for nobody. SA is on a slippery steep slope just wait till after the "buzz of a mess up of world cup is over " and see what happens to the new look SA or should i say Zimbabwe. Those who can and many are black white and every colour under the sun pack and leave for a more justifiable and safe life abroad. Millions of us have done so and are very successful. good luck u will all need it , just look at the rest of the begging bowl in africa.

The Beginner 7/8/2009 12:08:13 PM
I can understand the stats. How many Zimbos have made SA their home, legally and illegally? After "quiet diplomacy disaster"? How many people die of Aids every day? 900, according to Stats RSA. The ANC needs a voterbase and it's being whittled away, so immigrants who will vote for them are welcome by any means. Are those immigrants from Europe, Asia, Africa, America continents? Who rules RSA? ANC? So whose mistakes are revealed? And who voted for them? Who allows race as a discrimination factor in the law? Who did u vote for mduve? Your alpha male?

samsam 7/8/2009 12:12:28 PM
Mr Mphatjie, eh mona tell me,I oftenly see your articles, do you really check Acts,Const, internet etc before scribing your articles, beacuse on many occasions you write something contradictory with legislations. Can you please give us something tried and tested in future, broer

mduve 7/8/2009 12:13:21 PM
@ Mphatjie - now you understand why people will always vote for uKhongolose. BTW my partner voted for COPE locally and ANC nationally. again my two collegues (black) also voted for COPE.

Clintonv 7/8/2009 12:15:55 PM
Don't forget the additional 31.3% Electricity hike too, just another lack of growth plans the ANC forgot about over favoring the Arms Deal

ThePrez 7/8/2009 12:17:48 PM
All down to the ANC supports favorite line "I WANT!!!!"
As you said, at the tax payers expense!!

Lucas 7/8/2009 12:17:54 PM
@mduve. Have your 60 kids - There are a lot of street corners still lefdt ithout a beggar or two on it!

maryann@mphatjie 7/8/2009 12:18:41 PM
Actually, the 32% is 100%. I was reading the YOU magazine last night and it was quoted there to. Mphatjie, are you saying that those 12 million odd are going to live in bushes. Everyone wants a roof over their heads and each one will eventually be part head of a household! Everyone has to be housed, jointly or otherwise.

Norman 7/8/2009 12:23:17 PM
I don't know what the official stats are, but I can say with a fair amount of certainty that there are three main reasons for the explosive African population. The first is their deeply ingrained and age old cultural belief that the more kids you have the more support you'll have in later life and the more your lot will improve. This may work in the subsistence lifestyle, but not in modern society. The second is also a cultural, but somewhat younger belief; that they recognised early on that the surest way out of apartheid was to increase their numbers dramatically. The third is the youngest problem of the lot, and like the previous reason, certainly is of the ANC's making; child support grants... Nuff said.

Frank II 7/8/2009 12:24:10 PM
Don't worry. Soon SA will run out of drinking water....

Xolani 7/8/2009 12:33:18 PM
You forgot to mention 32% more idiotic articles like this one.

1eye 7/8/2009 12:37:09 PM
Its not difficult to figure out the poor ignorant masses put the ANC in power, the more of them you have/create the longer you stay in Power

Ray 7/8/2009 12:46:58 PM
The mduve's and Andile's of the world, will be happy to carry on their ignorant ways, living in denial that there is not a problem, working in their BEE jobs, and not give a cent or loaf of bread to the beggars on the side of the road. While the rest of us can do basic mathematics and see we ALL have a problem to face....not just black and not just white..... BTW Andile maybe your house is infested with roaches and corrupt rodents....

Mark V @samsam 7/8/2009 12:54:46 PM
Samsam you genius. You go speak Zulu, Xhosa, Pedi, Sotho or any other African language anywhere else in the world and see if you are understood. At least I can visit Holland, Aus, NZ, Canada, US, Germany amongst others and speak Afrikaans AND be understood. Now take your foot out of your mouth and don't tell me to move there. I will STAY here just to irritate your kind!

nigel 7/8/2009 12:54:50 PM
Bottom line ...Blacks in SA should stop breading like flies, its the Govt. responsibility to curb this population growth, they can do this through education, incentives & disincentives. The Chinese did it, why can't we.

JJ 7/8/2009 12:57:38 PM
My friend Brian is from Zim. He's been here on courtesy of SA Gov's 90 day plan. We'll be collecting an ID book AND a driver's license for Brian in the next week. How much? R4000,00. ID - R1 500,00. Driver's license - R2 500,00. There are approximately 4 million Zimbo's in South Africa. If 25% of then acquires an ID book in the same way - the Gov official inflates his already inflated Gov Salary by another R 1 500 million...and the ANC gets another 1 000 000 people on their voter registration rolls. It was nice while it lasted, but I'm outa here. Not for me, but for my family...They deserve so much better.

JCO 7/8/2009 1:01:03 PM
Its not about blame. Zuma cannot be blamed, BUT it is his RESPONSIBILITY now to educate and help the masses to have the best life they can have. And THAT is the message of this article, I am sure.

samsam 7/8/2009 1:03:02 PM
77/8/2009 11:01:43 AM" Boet, do you see that you are brainless,all your comments as we said before they are below intellectual capability, serious. Procurement of arms deal was meant to upgrade the skills of soldiers, from the primitive machines. You cant even think that there are technicians,CAs, Engineers,Pilots,Drs working in the army who must be guarded against career plateau. You are dom, stupid,brainles boere. If I were you, I would ask an intelligent question like "what was the feasibility study for arms procurement" isnt that brilliant?

Xolani 7/8/2009 1:07:21 PM
@ mxo
7/8/2009 12:04:49 PM

LMFBAO !

Chillinator 7/8/2009 1:13:09 PM
What is this? Its easy to point out problems! Stop waisting time on trying to sound smart - focus on providing SOLUTIONS
...governemt cannot do this on their own - we should help by creating a framework for volunteers to improve public services.

boela 7/8/2009 1:13:42 PM
It is the 32% that is tops 16 years old , If they are not schooled correctly then the ANC would have failed the youngest 32% of the population of the New South Africa, and if that is true then the Anc must GO, there future in NSA will be like all older then 16 years , 50% in crime and 50% no JOB ,

spectator 7/8/2009 1:13:43 PM
the solution to the worlds troubles is cannibalism!

Mpho 7/8/2009 1:15:39 PM
I remember reading an article by Kevin Myers illustrating the population growth “problem” in Africa. The narrative was along the line of agricultural production declining (something like 60% down since the 60s) and population growth increasing dramatically in Sub-Saharan Africa. The latter happened after independence of almost every African country while in contrast other previously colonised countries (e.g. in Asia) grew stronger after independence. So, it is not just an ANC problem...

fortune teller 7/8/2009 1:15:54 PM
@Demographer sorry but i dont know where you get your stats from but there has not been ANY decline in S.A.'s population since 2001. In fact there has been a steady increase over the years. please refer to www.statssa.gov.za for the real figures.@Anonymous please check your figures as well, as you will see that we are on par with most (not all) countries regarding the population growth.

antigravity 7/8/2009 1:17:07 PM
how can you control the masses if you educate them ... duh!

LzK 7/8/2009 1:19:27 PM
This is an illogical and highly hypothetical article. The 32% population growth doesn't necessarily mean 32% (or even 1%) growth in social or economic problems, it is statistically insignificant to make irrational social/economic insinuations without other key variables (i.e. for the 32% population increase: the number households, population increase by low/middle/upper household income, population increase by geographical location etc.) Once you know these social and economic variables then you can make an informed assumption; it is not the other way around Mr/Mrs Anonymous.

Big Bad Bob 7/8/2009 1:22:47 PM
It's always tricky comparing stats about SA "then" to SA "now". This is because the bunch who were in power 16 years ago (hint: Not the ANC) defined SA differently than the current unitary state. They excluded the "independent states" and even certain townships. Simply reincorporating the homelands into a unitary SA would boost the population.

@ Spectator 7/8/2009 1:23:49 PM
There is a solution for the homeless and the hungry
" Feed the homeles to the hungry"

read 7/8/2009 1:35:27 PM
juan, winston o boogie... how about reading the article properly: "Mr Zuma, you cannot blame apartheid for the problems of the past 16 years. You grew the population by 12 million"

Alien Dude @ mxo & xolani 7/8/2009 1:35:50 PM
AIDS will wipe you out first :)

E.Nuff 7/8/2009 1:37:32 PM
If you can't feed them, then don't breed them! Simple Solution...

ellen 7/8/2009 1:46:18 PM
allow more home affairs officials to be more corrupt, as there arE still many nigerians, west africans, and pakistanis willing to come and firstly fall in love with south afrrican woman and steall as much as they caN,, good luck ANC.....

Antigravity 7/8/2009 1:47:54 PM
Tou guys are looking at this all wrong ... RSA is a very beautiful place, why leave? I left twice (UK & USA) and just came back! Rather make the best of what the ANC created, get rich off the arrogance and ignorance of the masses ... the ANC is! Why take the moral high ground when they don't! by the way, I'm not white.

Anon @ Xolani 7/8/2009 1:48:00 PM
12:33:18 PM - You forgot to mention 32% more idiotic articles like this one." LOL Dude, made my day

An0n 7/8/2009 1:49:40 PM
I have said it before and I will say it again, these idiots at the ANC, are really still so struggle minded, they fail to realize they dont need to fight against the white man any more. All they need to do is work with the white man. Learn from him. It is these " we will free you from the white man" attetude that they win elections. THey know that educating the masses wil cause them to loose elections and that well be virtual suicide for their plump gravy trains. They should make a rule that you at least need Gr 12 to be eligible to vote. Then again that will mean that your beloved JZ will not be able to vote for himself. What a dumbass !! But the time will come that they realize their mistakes, hopefully it will not be too late. I love this country with all I have.

Ryan 7/8/2009 1:49:42 PM
To all the whiners ... Guess what !!! The ANC has won, absolutely nothinh you can do about it ... Does complaining make things better for you, I think not ... Why not use your energy for something useful, like making a difference. Whining on this forum is not gonna make a difference ... and you guys constantly call yourselves "intelligent. Hilarious !!!

Anon @ Sinudeity 7/8/2009 1:52:50 PM
You asked Samsam for a link, you forgot that SamSam is the "Missing Link" . Could not correctly spell a long name, so repeated a short name twice - easy to remember. Samsam, just saying this to annoy you for the stupid, racist comments that you make. If you were intellegent (like you ask others to be), you would not blindly believe all the propaganda, just sometimes stand still and ask the question "Is this the best we can do?" - currently with these MP's, we can do much better for the best interest of ALL citizens in the country.

ANONNY 7/8/2009 2:13:25 PM
@ Poloyatonki ; the atricle is about the ANC legacy, dumbass. JZ is ruler almighty of your ANC, therefore he should bear the brunt of the Sh!t the rest of the country suffers for instead of clearly gaining from others burdens

@vg 7/8/2009 2:14:52 PM
You are clearly on the wrong TAX track. Taxes paid by individuals pay more than VAT and Corporate taxes together. We have a tax payer base of just over 5 mil. This means we carry you lot that do not contribute. Growth in the population comes as huge burden to that tax base. The problem we have, and what no one wants to deal with is that we have a population demographic out of sink. If it were starlight growth as a result of births, we can live with it, barely. Our problem is the mass of adults that have come to the country and place a huge burden on our infrastructure and resources. No where in the world, not even in the rest of Africa, have they allowed the mass migration of people to there country.

JBird 7/8/2009 2:17:55 PM
What a load of drivel.

lloyd macklin 7/8/2009 2:20:22 PM
Andile, you say that the masses know how to look after their children. What happened to the 38 kids murdered at initiation schools? Oh, it is murder when you kidnap and mutilate children who then die of their wounds. Your comment about whites having more children than other population groups is total nonsense. Those who are concerned about the disproportionate growth in the black community do so out of caring for others.
We want all groups to be uplifted and only having children you can care for is the first step. Get it out of your mind that we are afraid of the numbers. That is a racist concept. We care about the children.

Steve 7/8/2009 2:21:47 PM
All I know is that after personal income tax, VAT, fuel levies, etc, etc I'm working 8 months out of twelve for the government and I'm getting tired of a zero return. I paid RDP levies, etc, etc, and I'm tired of having to pay for services that the goverment should provide, health, security, education, etc. Look at all the failures, SABC, ESKOM, Defence, SAPS, Education... how many of the electorate understand what a qualified audit is. The goose is going to stop laying the golden egg!

Francois 7/8/2009 2:24:01 PM
How do you get to 32% when the anual growht is below 2%
http://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0302/P03022008.pdf

kyle Logan 7/8/2009 2:32:49 PM
@Demographer.... what planet are you from? SA's population is increasing inspite of HIV!!! go read the stats again... or better yet go fine the true stats and use you brain.

JJ 7/8/2009 3:30:56 PM
Good one, Steve. Who said: You can't multiply wealth by dividing it. Before the Governmnet can give something, they must take it from someone else. As soon as the tax payers learn that they're paying taxes and not getting anything back, and the non-contributors learn that they're getting without having to work for it, democracy's dead. The sooner the taxpayers put brakes on the senseless wasting of huge amounts of money at SAA, SABC, Transnet, Escom, etc...the better for the poor.

SM 7/8/2009 3:31:28 PM
@antigravity. 3 mistakes: (1) Came back from UK. (2) Went to USA and (3) came back from USA to SA instead of back to UK.

Lucky Ralawe to Kyle Logan 7/8/2009 3:41:48 PM
You could have helped by stating the source instead of telling someone "to go read the stats again." Where are those stats to be found if you know the source, unless you are making up this drivel and want to pass it off as the gospel truth like many others (Inkwenkwe Juan comes to mind) Lol

Frank II 7/8/2009 3:44:28 PM
Well, child grants to young women is ANC policy. This is unsustainable since 5 million people are already supporting 12 million people on grants. Women should study and become productive tax-paying citizens, instead they get a few hundred Rand for every child they have and then stay at home without being able to pay for proper education, food and clothing. Government should pay women to be sterilized after having 3 or 4 children and also pay them on receiving a contraceptive injection every few months. How else will we stop this population boom? Also, don't forget about the 4000 Zimbabweans flooding into the country every day! Soon they and their children will demand the same from us. We only have water for 80 million people but we will have a water crises long before that! Mark my words....

Brown 7/8/2009 4:50:07 PM
It's obvious this article is just another thinly vieled attempt to insult black people. Last I recall South Africa is maade up of various races. Anyways that is not my point if you go to StatsSA's site and actually READ you will notice the stats you are quoting here are moronic. And to those of you who keep spewing misinformation about Africa having a Population explosion are still living in the 80s. Africa compared to other continents has a low birth rate. Let me stop like someone else here said it's hard to have a debabte with people who see themselves as superior to you. Sies!

Xolani 7/8/2009 5:28:07 PM
@ Alien Dude, Juan + Sinudeity, why are you guys so hellbent on supporting anything that is Anti-ANC even if it clearly does not make any sense or poorly researched ? Judging from the comments that one normally see on this site from you. I will say samsam is way smarter then you Juan + Sinudeity combined. because his arguemnts are based on sound facts and reliable information not ANC hate speech that Juan is widely renowed for ! I challenge you guys to visit Piere de Vos's blog and debate there. People (educated) of all races that debate on that blog with facts and respect each other whilst doing so - Juan you will not last a thread there with your "Yellow t-shirt" argument. Go ahead Juan prove me wrong - here is the link : http://constitutionallyspeaking.co.za/

SimonP 7/8/2009 5:42:36 PM
@Lucky Ralawe are you saying the population HAS NOT incresed?

Willem 7/8/2009 8:36:33 PM
The bottomline: Unrestrained population growth-anywhere in the world-is undermining all efforts by all governments to make things work for their citizens. Somewhere in the 90's I read the populations of UK & Germany were actually nearly double what it had been before WW2 started! Now see how badly affected those countries are by this recession. The more people partake in being in economic realities, the more are adversely affected by economic realities. There are now more people worldwide under the breadline(1.1billion), than the total amount of people in Emperor Claudius’s Roman Empire when he held his census in 52 AD(just under 60 million). That's only 1957 years ago. Solution:1) Do not increase salaries for 5 years; this will lead to household budgetary restraint and lower inflation, making it possible to maintain those children already alive. The first care of a parent is to care first for their children.2)Incentivize voluntary sterilization after a pre-determined amount of children per woman. Not forced sterilizations, that failed dismally in India, but volunteers get rewarded with cash subsidies and lower income tax for participating in creating a sustainable population growth.

Blixum 7/8/2009 11:19:36 PM
Eish! With people like the ones commenting on this article, Africa will always be a basket case (as is confirmed by their demands for financial assistance they are insisting the (white) EU promised them.) Article makes a lot of sense and has touched a few raw nerves. The time to be PC is forever past. Tell it like it is. I am one of those "I have told you so" and now we see that history has proven that a country deserves the government it is getting.

ouklip 7/8/2009 11:33:20 PM
If SA was a democracy the Minister of Sports would not be able to demand that the Springboks wear a Protea on the left. SA is moving to a centralist Government where the decisions made by the governing party will be rubber stamped in parliament. The problem is very few voters understand what democracy means. Tony Leon was called a traitor for criticism level at the president. I will agree some white voters has a serious problem with democracy. I heard 1 saying “I will vote for Mbeki because Leon can not do anything”. That is the reason Mulder and van Schalkwyk is in the cabinet BUT the problem with the new voters are far bigger than white misunderstandings. We have people in the cabinet that will support anti government policy strikes by the unions. This means they do not see voting the ANC out as an option but that their democracy lies in the party structures and not the constitution. The SA constitution is under real threat of becoming irrelevant if the ANC wins in 5 years with the same or bigger margin. I believe we need strong structures at Metro as well as Provincial levels and that each town or province is governed by people from the town or province and not a cadre deployed from head office.

Paul Grant 7/9/2009 12:30:54 AM
These idiots do not understand 32%, you should have explained by means of loafs of brown bread or packets of mielie meal.

Soly 7/9/2009 3:10:05 AM
Are you saying JZ fathered those 12m people?

Cliff Bradley 7/9/2009 5:02:35 AM
mxo- Maybe No Whingers But The country will have deteriorated due to the USELESS , UNEDUCATED,STUPID ANC Followers

jorene 7/9/2009 7:07:10 AM
The world is overpopulated and if Countries/Governments do not do something now about this overpopulation, we are doomed. Everytime I see pictures of how people in Africa are starving, you always see thousands of children. Cultures or not, the population should change their mind set about "I want, I want, I want. And this story about having many children to look after the old age is a load of crap.

Lucky Ralawe to SimonP 7/9/2009 8:52:34 AM
I said sources must be provided. People must not pass their opinions as facts. Given that more people are dying of AIDS than ever before, not to mention crime related deaths. If someone says the population is increasing, then they must give us facts and not thumbsuck. Where did I says the population has not increased? You also seem to believe differently, what is your verifiable source? I am not just going to take your word for it, given that most white people would have us believe that things are falling apart in SA. This notwithstanding the world cup, the infrastructural developments and other positive things that are happening. Give credit where it is due, or you will forever be challenged by those of us who have independent minds

Sinudeity @Xolani 7/9/2009 9:01:59 AM
"Anti-ANC" - Excuse me Xolani, your movement has been taken over by CORRUPT/SELFSERVING ELITISTS, who dont CARE about South Africa. Only themselves. I am a patriotic of South Africa. You are a patriot of the ANC. YOU are the one that needs changing. I am a national hero, while YOU cheer on thieves and criminals.

samsam @SINUDEITY 7/9/2009 9:15:24 AM
I am a national hero, while YOU cheer on thieves and criminals" self proclaimed hero. I said I have to do research on nationalization of mines before I comment. My take on that is that we must really review the way mines operate considering what happened in the past, where English took our gold but left the country dry, if the partnership of the Bafokeng tribe and Miners work , why dont we follow that idea

Geanann 7/9/2009 9:20:27 AM
In many countries dealing with the problem of overpopulation, governments take steps through legislation, incentives and encouragement to reduce population growth. Good examples being China and India. In SA we say go ahead and breed at your hearts content.

Alien Dude @xolani 7/9/2009 9:20:55 AM
"why are you guys so hellbent on supporting anything that is Anti-ANC even if it clearly does not make any sense or poorly researched ? ".......you should be asking YOURSELF this very same question , as well as all your "comrades" who post here.Think for yourself once ! @Sinudeity - well put :)

Sinudeity @samsam 7/9/2009 9:51:48 AM
Oh, I misread your post, sorry (About researching the consequences of nat mines). Nationalisation, would just cost us TOO much.

Russell 7/9/2009 10:29:50 AM
@Poloyatonki, you thick twat. He did not say Zuma, he was refering to the ANC.

Big Bad Bob @ Ouklip 7/9/2009 10:42:52 AM
How's that not democracy? The government can argue that they are acting in accordance with the wishes of a majority of citizens - which sounds like democracy to me.

Sonny 7/9/2009 11:38:20 AM
@Poloyatonki. You really are something dumb idiot. Read the article again or get someone to explaing it you, maybe with pictures?

Lulubelle 7/9/2009 11:42:03 AM
My home help's "daughter" (not biological but cared for when her mother abandoned her a birth) has just given birth to her 5th child. She has no job, does not receive any child support from the father of the children who is also unemplyed, and has now been diagnosed with TB after being ill from the birth of the 4th child. (HIV?AIDS???)When I asked why she has so many children I was told it was to get the child grant. Now, if she does have HIV?AIDS and is not receiving the correct treatment and dies, whose responsibility will those children become? Who will educate, clothe and feed them? What kind of life can they aspire to? Herein lied one of the real tragedies of this country - indiscriminate breeding and expecting handouts from the government.

BRIAN 7/9/2009 11:48:17 AM
Your comment to me is recial and anti Zuma and the ANC, its so unfortunate to see such article now where in the days of apartheid was not there. You and your friend enjoy somuch for more than 400 years stupid article idiot.

Dawn 7/9/2009 12:07:18 PM
"Of course, many, but not the majority, will house, feed and educate themselves without government assistance." how well put, clearly stating white people. "32% more people to turn to crime - even if only one percent do, which is not unrealistic, we have another 120 000 people to rob, rape, maim and steal" clearly stating black people. Tell me anonymous, when you see the white hobbos on the street, do you give them money, food, advice, encouragment or a verse from the bible? Another thing, in that 32% that bred, where there no white people? Ohh, I forgot, white girls fall pregnant while in grade 11, the principals holds a secret meeting with the parents and the child is quitely withdrawn from school, has an abortion at a private clinic and returns 3 months later with a ready-made story of depression and a sick note from the family doctor. This afternoon, don't forget to lock your car door when you exit your office block; give the black security guard a fake smile; swear at the taxi drivers; swear at the blacks driving cars valued above R400 000 saying its because of BEE & corruption; enter your compound's electric gate and wait for it to close; check that the black maid who is older than your mother didn't steal anything before sending her off; have a discussion with your partner during supper about how the ANC is destroying your beloved country; arm your security system and go to bed. Tomorrow you can do it all again because that's what defines you.

Miss Cellany 7/9/2009 12:09:41 PM
Excuse me, here but do not blame population growth on African govts! The reason the African populations have multiplied exponentially is because First World have found ways of prolonging life nay even creating it in test tubes whilst at the same time mechanising and tooling up to eliminate workers at the lowest levels. The problem of population explosion is global not just African and it is precisely because of first world measures to prolong life past its sell by date.Because of modern science diseases which periodically took the lives of animals and people randomly have been totally eradicated and in actual fact the explosion has been happening since time began. Only when man decided to make life easier for himself did this state of affairs arise. Colonisation was not about gold or money, it was about land and survival because the lands where man stepped up and started playing God and making their own laws ran out of land and got greedier and wanted to live better for longer so those less equipped to remain left. That same science has also produced birth control measures which might help except that MALES in Africa will not use it. Despite the fact that there is unemployment they still go around fertilising and creating more people to be unemployed so until the members of the ANC help their govt by having a child and being sterilised their govt and every other govt will never solve wealth redistribution. Who is prepared to volunteer to have only one child and be sterilised? China tried it and were universally condemned because they didn't think it through properly but they were on the right track.

andynct 7/9/2009 12:28:50 PM
Why do people quote a Babtist minister when making an economic or political point?

reknaw 7/9/2009 1:28:00 PM
ANC quite clever creating what they want an voter base that will follow them blindly and not question them,amazing well done,children your all confused its plain to see SA is a cock up in many ways,ANC wants it this way,i left two years ago and live in a normal society look from the outside in,scary your dreaming if you believe that it will get better,if you are happy this way then accept whats going on or get out not easy but wow what a pleasure to be able to walk in a park and not worry about been killed,sleep well and life is respected, sa is not a democracy,its a one party state and will remain that way

Antony Barker 7/9/2009 2:42:34 PM
People, Firstly, I am sorry that I wasted my time gettting to the bottom of a long list of narrow-minded, racist postings with each side trying desperately to justify their postion at the expense of the other. The simple fact is that people need infrastructure that supports them. Infrastructure costs money, government must get money from the people. All successful countries have broad tax bases with everyone contributing to the welfare of the state, why do you think the Dutch government can provide free education up to post grad level? It is because enough people are paying into the State coffers and that money is being properly adminstered with proper and transparent accountability. In our case where the contributing percentage is so small, you can forget about "luxuries" like tertiary education while we still have the issue of dragging people above the breadline, not to mention all the wastage which enriches a handful at the very real expense of millions. Clamp down on emmigrants, clamp down on child support grants. Paying people who have nothing to have children is a recipe for disaster and focus on broadening the tax base, not through VAT and all these hidden levies that hit everyone equally, but through a drive to register more people for income tax. Face up to the reality that the African cultural notion of children to take of one in ones old age cannot work in a time of declining natural resources and focus on making this place a better place for our children.

Iain 7/9/2009 2:58:30 PM
Population Growth out of control? Easy Solution!! Sterilize!!!!

@ Poloyatonki 7/9/2009 6:59:41 PM
@ Poloyatonki: Where he says Zuma he means ANC, though Zuma did his fair share to grow the population.

DR 7/9/2009 7:05:02 PM
Unfortunately, the politicians will always encourage their followers to have more children. This guarantees votes in the future. The promise of free houses,water, education, electricity for all is as hollow as some politicians heads.No education means easy manipulation for political gain, the quality of life is not important.

Miss Cellany 7/9/2009 8:14:40 PM
Sterilise! We can't even get them to condomise to save them from AIDS. The only way you will get the sterilisation thing right is to sterilise every male after he has had one child to replace him and pay him to be sterilised. It has to be incentivised and also the men need to understand that it is a very minor procedure for them to have performed but a major one for women. Very rarely does sterilisation result in any complications for men and their virility and masculinity is not affected by it. They can then go around and have sex with as many women as they like without bringing innocent children into the world to suffer from starvation and thirst and disease. It needs to be regulated through laws and Zuma is not in the best position to pass such laws since he is both a polygamist and already has 19 children. I'm telling you that this would also slow the spread of AIDS, the rapes of children and the murders of children for body parts because children would be more valued because they were fewer. It should make no difference whether the child was male or female as long as it was healthy and could be given what every child has a right to which is the care of both father and mother and because there were two parents there would also be more to go around per family. SAVE THE CHILDREN AND THE PLANET by bringing fewer into the world. All men should actually welcome something like this since it means less responsibility for you to bust a gut to support all these children you father and then walk away from and leave women who are sometimes incapable of caring for themselves never mind a child because of lack of maturity or inability to find work to sustain themselves and a child. A man can take himself to the hospital and have this procedure done and walk home the same day with two dissolving stitches. Condomise for 6 months and the day you are medically certified as having no sperm you get paid a once off cash bonus. Get a braggers T-Shirt that says I fire blanks. My husband did it and I can assure you it did nothing to his ability to perform.

Another Lize 7/9/2009 10:17:04 PM
For all those that think this is a case study about population growth or Stats in SA,....well hate to brake it to you....wel but YOU ARE WRONG!!!!
The only people that on the money is Andrew and Phinah.....its a clear example of COMMUNISM...we are no longer a democracy, but a communist country. Keeping the illiterate masses uneducated to be slaves for the government. Why do you think the education department are in the hands of the communist party?! Good article too sad many can't read between the lines.

Nursing Sister 7/10/2009 2:33:36 AM
@Miss Cellaney,
Having read all the comments I feel that you have superceded all comments. Yours is a highly intelligent approach on this matter.I could not have said it better myself . Well done. This is an innitiative that Government should have taken on a long time ago.

Mveve 7/10/2009 6:35:10 AM
Unfortunatly, the folks who should read this can not afford the internet.

KD 7/10/2009 8:46:50 AM
Taking into account the illegal migrants I think that the view might be worse than shown. That the ANC is blamed for much of what has gone wrong... Yes. They did some good but the bad is overshadowing it considerably.

Francois 7/10/2009 9:50:48 AM
I gotta love the people who look at this and say "what a racist, whats your point". This clearly shows the mindset that they harbour. They cannot even look introspectively at themselves which shows us they are not well adjusted people. Its fine "rule till Jesus comes", the only problem is there will be nothing left after the ANC is done with this land.

James @Mpho 7/8/2009 1:15:39 PM 7/10/2009 10:07:52 AM
You are spot on, it seems that most African governments are staffed by people who are only in it for self gain (with no fear of having to be accountable), regardless of the consequences. I am not sure whether they are capable of determining what the consequences of their actions will be or whether they really just don't give a damn about anyone or anything but themselves. What I don't get is the blind loyalty voters/tribesmen continue to display after being continually shafted by those that they vote for. I would be prepared to bet my life on all South Africans being better off under a new non-tribal government. A chief may work in a village, but he is no good as president.

Gina 7/10/2009 10:56:10 AM
Do not Blame ANC there are some good workers amongst them, the only problem is that the people in charge were never rared to manage anything, they never looked after their homes or their families, how do you expect them to run and country

eeeisshhh 7/10/2009 10:58:23 AM
No wonder the article is under annonymous...what hogwash!!!

yashcon 7/10/2009 1:16:03 PM
Im so confused and would like anyone to please explain, who on earth is growing the population? Is the writer blaming government for the population growth now- how bizarre. And all this talk about sterilization...People, stop and think- believe in your God that he will provide! you do not have to hinder reproduction to solve a country's dilemma- what on earth next! It is so very easy to write articles, and judge your government BUT to the writer, what significant thing have you done lately to improve this country and the condition it's people are living in? Complaining about a government that will most likely rule until the end of eternity does absolutely nothing for those who need to be fed, educated and sheltered- STAND UP DO YOUR BIT!

Iain 7/10/2009 2:10:02 PM
I did not say anything about a choice regarding sterilization. The world it at a point where the strong need to take control again. Look at Rome, the rise and fall of great powers. This is time again for the uptake.

Fact 7/10/2009 2:28:30 PM
The article is flawed with inconsistencies and certainly not worth the air time it has received. I leave this uninformed person to continue their aimless wondering into senselessness.

@Antony Barker 7/10/2009 3:05:05 PM
Well said. I think the people who commented on this article from both sides missed the point. Though the writer can work on his stats he is highlighting a problem facing each and every South African (of any colour). This issue needs to be looked at without bringing in colour or politics. This is a disaster waiting to happen. Surely government (no matter which political party rules) cannot afford to support the massed with the money of the few.

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