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Sinister end to Scorpions

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2008-11-21 11:37

Rivaan Roopnarain, News24 User

Sinister may well be the word one uses to describe the torrid state of affairs surrounding the Directorate of Special Operations (Scorpions).

It is sinister when, even in the face of vocal public opposition, a Parliament bullishly forces through a piece of legislation with little concern for public sentiment.

When one considers that the particular piece of legislation in question is for the disbandment of possibly the only effectively functioning arm of law in the country, then to describe the situation as sinister even, becomes a worrying understatement.

Discussions concerning the matter of the Scorpions have been done to death in the months preceding us today - public platforms where used loudly, the letters' pages of newspapers were strewn with angry tirades by concerned members of the public - all in strong, vociferous opposition of this farcical disbandment.

Yet, when we look back now, they all amounted to a lot of noise, a great many flared tempers, one man's solitary crusade to the courts, and well, very little else.

Neglect

The issue around the Scorpions does well to highlight many far more critical problems that are manifest in our society.

Perhaps the greatest of those is the sheer neglect of our legislative authorities to take into account the fundamental considerations of the mass public, and, to bow so gracefully at the feet of political clout.

How, in the name of all things sensible, can it ever be plausible to allow those individuals investigated by the very body proposed to be done away with, to vote on its fate?

Does such a thing as "conflict of interest" and ethics no longer feature in the corridors of our Parliament? Are ethical considerations akin to an annoying mosquito to the ears of our politicians?

Even when these public discussions were at their most vocal, some indicated that "we can make all the noise we want, but when those in decision-making power want something, they will get it!"

And off course, as the proposed Bill now waits readily at President Kgalema Motlanthe's mahogany desk to be signed, those who said that are proved correct.

Failure

Many will interpret this passage of legislation as a failure; failure of the will of the people, and therefore, failure of our democracy - and rightfully so.

It is a failure.

It is a failure on our part, as citizens of the Republic, to allow ourselves to be so thuggishly manhandled so as to accept those things that can never be in the public interest. It is a failure on our part to allow political masters to dictate as to what exactly is, "in the public interest."

We could have, and should have, done more - if nothing else, to reach consensus.

There may well be many more similar dilemmas that we will experience in the near future. But if we have learned nothing else from this debacle, surely we can pledge that we won't allow ourselves, and our will, to be so callously infringed upon by a sitting of MP's, all of whom, with questionable characters.

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Kenroid 11/21/2008 11:42:51 AM
Yet another indication that our country is taking the corrupt route to 'democracy'! We have as much a democracy here as there is in ZIM!

BALA BOY 11/21/2008 11:44:56 AM
vote, next year using your head this time around. Leave your emotions at home.

Firstworldcountry 11/21/2008 11:48:24 AM
...and I'm ready to head Downunder... This place is going down the drain and everyone who disagrees just can't get a visa :) All government officials would have ended up in jail. Not that anybody would notice, they don't do their jobs anyway.

Point Blank 11/21/2008 11:48:30 AM
..it is the beginning of the demise of democracy in this country. Where the junta rule and not govern. Where there is one law and that comes from the "committee" which scant regard for anyone else but their own agendas, merclessly imposed on the people without fear of retribution and should a rebelion form they will quash it with the MK veterans, already 21 farms in KZN lie in ruin from a failed land restribution program.

TSHEPO 11/21/2008 11:49:36 AM
Scorpion is not dead, you are wrong because the Scorpion is now will belong to one unit with the police in order to have a working relationship btw the police and the new unit. In a big corporation you will have the division and one of the division under the SAPS will be the Scorpion. Your ignorant in this regards is a discraced and you are not intellegual Get your facts straight and come with a better topic and stop being a bully?

Juan 11/21/2008 11:49:53 AM
Remember it was SOLELY the anc that decided to disband the scorpions! With all the crime today, this is a sickening thaught! What is even more disturbing is that people still vote for this pro-crime party! What sick sick culture must one come from to be in favour of violence, rape and murder. (the very things the anc are promoting by doing nothign about it!)

Jordan 11/21/2008 11:53:09 AM
What do you expect to happen when a party is ruling with a two thirds majoraty vote? They will and can always do what they want. If you do not like this, vote and get rid of this majority. But be carefull for a wolf in sheep clothing

VG 11/21/2008 11:56:00 AM
Its obvious that you liked the scorpions - which is why you're lamenting their demise. But if "the public" got their way all the time, abortions would not be legal and gay marriages would go up in smoke. Both of these issues were things that the ANC govt. pushed through - in spite of fierce opposition from certain vocal sectors of the public and I approved both times. So where do you draw the line ?

MikeT 11/21/2008 11:56:36 AM
Same thing happened with Travelgate ... but nothing much surporises me these days, what with the handling of Zim, the springbok farce, the political arrogance etc etc ... SA is on a collision course with Zim ....

SimonP 11/21/2008 11:59:07 AM
Public interest, will of the people and ethics are not on the ANC agenda. Debacle, conflicts of interest, neglect and failure are commonly used when discussing the ANC. The accused voting on the disbandment of the accuser is indeed an utter nonsense. ANC ts not about politics is about self enrichment and always will be.

Kenroid 11/21/2008 12:02:25 PM
They are dead my friend...they have lost their independence! This is the same as saying that all financial companies can audit their own books and then be seen as compliant! If this were the case - do you REALLY think that there wouldn't be more fraud and corruption in business? It is why companies like Ernst & Young and Deloittes are independent auditors! You are the one being ignorant...do you know what they have lost by becoming part of the SAPS? Don't comment if YOU don't know the facts!

lloyd macklin 11/21/2008 12:05:15 PM
..and tyranny rules. This also raises the point about COPE members claiming that they value the moral high ground. Did you count how many of these spineless elected representatives voted to save the Scorpions? Ask yourself if the MP's voted in line with want you wanted. If not why do you still support them?

Karen 11/21/2008 12:07:38 PM
America has the FBI, Britain has the CIA, even Russia has the KGB. We had the scorpians, but unfortunately our government was so corrupt and full of criminals that the scorpians were kept busy 24/7 investigating them which didn't please them very much. So, as usual, they cried foul and destroyed the good they did and merged them with their corrupt and criminal police force so that they can be taught a lesson on the law which does not apply to ANC MP's. They are just so transparent its sickening.

Kenroid 11/21/2008 12:09:34 PM
Although the ANC made a positive contribution in your view...You can't draw a line! The Scorpions should not have been disbanded and incorporated as a part of the SAPS! Nobody is supposed to be above the law, and the Govt is supposed to serve the best interests of its people! By disbanding an organization that was independent from the SAPS and was investigating fraud and corruption within the Govt shows that the Govt has no intention of being FOR the people...but rather for THEMSELVES.

REALIST 11/21/2008 12:10:54 PM
Rivaan I agree with you and do not understand how we all let this happen O I do this is Africa and the criminal and corrupt will always win.Well done Zuma you have proven to me that you are nothing more than an African Meglomaniac in the Making.Zimbabwe seems a bit closer all of a sudden.

Cynical 11/21/2008 12:11:37 PM
Good analysis Rivaan. As I have said before on this forum, SA is NOT a democracy and has never been one. So we must expect this type of thing to happen. And of course the ignorant, brainwashed majority don't care because they are just too stupid to know what's going on.

slabs 11/21/2008 12:13:39 PM
You are 100% correct, this is the directon that we are moving in and it sucks.

MJ 11/21/2008 12:13:48 PM
It's just so sad but that's the kind of mentality we have to deal with,i work for the unit and its very stressful times not knowing our faith. But we will keep our heads high and take our next challenge with the same attitude we have in this dying organisation. Thanks for a great report Rivaan and i know there are millions that share your sentiment.

fuzzy 11/21/2008 12:13:56 PM
The scorpions united with the SAPS, I deal with those idiots everyday and to be quite frank most of the cant even investigate a urinating in public charge. On top of that Selebi is still their official boss. Watch them grind the scorpions personnel who did such a great job on exposing that corrupt fool.

Priscilla 11/21/2008 12:15:00 PM
I agree with Rivaan. As a white person, I am afraid that apathy is a serious disease of the white comunity of South Africa.

Cape Town Kid 11/21/2008 12:17:40 PM
Ok Rivaan,to add value to a brain which is thinking overtime,do yrself a favour.Try and access all discussions verbatim on the portfolio committee.Then try and be objective cos I think you have the cognitive talent and plot the facts to the conclusion, remember objectively. This would help you somewhat cos this tunnel-vision is beginning to render this middle-class useless.We need to build an informed society, a society which critiqs on merit with enuff emotional intelligence to give solutions.

renz 11/21/2008 12:19:51 PM
I am confident that, somewhere between logic and common sense, I must have lost my ability to read, VG. Surely you are not suggesting that "the public" should NOT be allowed "their way"? Are you? I kindly suggest, for the benefit of yourself foremostly, you come to terms with the meaning of that beautiful word" Democracy...

MC 11/21/2008 12:20:52 PM
Rivaan, I do agree with you, but I must also admit a sense of hopelessness. I feel so despondent, like a small little dog, barking at this huge Boer-boel that with one swipe of it's paw, can silence me. I would love to have a say in my children's education, but have to settle with OBE and their resultant lack of proper reading skills. I would love to voice my concern about the lack of effective and efficient policing, etc etc etc, but who is listening? And even worse, it seems like nobody cares!

Meshack Legodi 11/21/2008 12:21:34 PM
Where was Scorpion all along-This country will be a better place for everyone after the demise of Scorpion.It is a wrong unit and it needed to be disbanded.All peace loving citizens will be safe under the combined unit of SAPS.Meshack

Pitso 11/21/2008 12:22:44 PM
I think South Africa has been presented with a beautyful opportunity to ensure that none of this ever happens again, we need to vote next year to ensure that there is no party that has the solely right to change our laws as they please, we need to have a viable opposition, that is where COPE and the coalition with other parties comes in place, we need to ensure that the ANC does not get a 2/3rds, i voted for them, now i c the mistake i made, i wont vote blindly this time around.

JBIRD 11/21/2008 12:27:33 PM
Rivaan well put. The biggest problem though is that the majority of the people in this country do not even realize that day by day there rights are being eroded away. I expect that this kind of bullying tactics are usually done by people who have no respect for anyone else and who do not have the right qualities to lead. Unfortunately the vast majority of our politicians are below average citizens who do not even understand the concept of ethics and honor. I just hope with time people will see that they are being victimized under the guys of delivery for the people.

terence 11/21/2008 12:30:06 PM
we all know that the scorpions were placed under saps so that they can be controlled and their investigations into government can come to an end.it is sad actually because there is alot of investigation into government still left. hopefully the NPA will set itself a target of at least a 50 % conviction rate next year of government officials. we the people deserve better than this corrupt government and i am sure you aggree rather just put in the DA who are not corrupt

Mandla 11/21/2008 12:34:03 PM
The only reason why the scorpion gets so much support from the opposition parties and the whites in general is because the scorpion investigated some of the ANC leaders. This suits the opposition and the whites who generally hate the ANC. The scorpion failed in terms of crime in this country considering their budget and all the resources they have. Look at their dismal performance in terms of Zuma, they have been chasing the man for more than 8years. Surely they must disband now.

BALA BOY 11/21/2008 12:34:20 PM
How can you make a statement like "where do you draw the line?" Your reasoning is vile and pathethic. Rivaan is talking here about corruption at its highest level and how the scorpions are in place to protect and weed out scum of the earth. he is not talking about the ANC distributing dust bins to timbuctoo for a brighter future for the collection of trash you dirt bag.

Deano 11/21/2008 12:34:46 PM
Very interesting article. Looks like the term "the people shall govern", only applies to a few people and not the general majority.

jannie 11/21/2008 12:35:27 PM
The most amazing thing about the whole scorpion debacle, is the fact that the MP's that were under investigation by the Scorpions, could vote for their disbandment...

JuanH 11/21/2008 12:37:02 PM
To TSHEPO. If you had read this article with comprehension, you would have noticed the parts about conflict of interest. How can The Scorpions account to a body (SAPS) when that bodies leader (Jackie Selebie) is being investigated by them? Tshepo, ?Your ignorant in this regards is a discraced and you are not intellegual?(SIC)

jannie 11/21/2008 12:37:50 PM
The most amazing thing about the whole scorpion debacle, is the fact that the MP's that were under investigation by the Scorpions, could vote for their disbandment...

Counter Terrorist! 11/21/2008 12:39:37 PM
I find that the 1st world and the 3rd world have 2 very different ideas of "Democracy"! I am sure there were more of us tax paying citizens who wanted them to stay than the corrupt individuals trying to disband them! In the 1st world they let their "citizens" vote should u live abroad....but oh no...not in SA, surely because the same so called Individuals i mentioned obviously have something to worry about, when they can get the big buddy to change the constitution when they feel like.

jannie 11/21/2008 12:40:00 PM
"..abortions would not be legal .." Thats super mate. Now 12 year old girls can get pregnant and just terminate their problem....

mallencolly 11/21/2008 12:42:47 PM
um Karen. America has the FBI AND CIA , Britain has MI5 and MI6.

possum 11/21/2008 12:43:33 PM
What an absolute shame the legislation to disband the Scorpions has been forced through that once noble establishment called Parliment. It is now nothing but a smelly pig trough!. The Zumarites,(Yengeni's and the like), now have free reign to pillage, take bribes, offer bribes, and conduct corrupt business dealings without fear of investigation or prosecution! That's what happens when the country goes from a First World one to a Third World one. In the words of Enoch sSatonga, "God bless Africa"

Harris 11/21/2008 12:44:11 PM
They should rather disban the Red Ants, I hear they kill people for no reason. At least the Scorpios prosecute criminals, sorry i mean politicians

Karen 11/21/2008 12:44:50 PM
Look at the comments from ANC supporters. All asking others to open their eyes and stop with their tunnel vision. It is so funny that every accusation that comes out of the mouths of ANC leaders and supporters is actually what they are most guilty of. Problem is they are so blind they will not even see the hypocrisy of it all - shame, the rest of us can only pity them. Its sad really, makes me wonder how these beings are able to even walk upright.

Adina 11/21/2008 12:45:58 PM
For someone who can't even get a sentence straight, and clearly missed the point of the article (yet again...) don't go quoting words like intellectual when you can't even spell them yourself. Just shut your mouth please!

Mark T 11/21/2008 12:50:28 PM
The Scorpions ARE dead. They were a crack crime fighting unit- with more success on avergae than the SAPS. Where would the logic be to disband them, unless of course they were sniffing where they may not. The move was to save high profile butts. Besides, the letter was about how the public voice was ignored and I think a good letter- so maybe read properly before you comment and insult.

JuanH 11/21/2008 12:51:36 PM
To TSHEPO. If you had read this article, you would have noticed the parts about conflict of interest. How can The Scorpions account to a body (SAPS) when that bodies leader (Jackie Selebie) is being investigated by them? Tshepo, ?Your ignorant in this regards is a discraced and you are not intellegual? (SIC)

Philani 11/21/2008 12:52:04 PM
Apparently it has been researched and found that about 300 000 people died of aids, in SA during Mbeki's era, because of witholding the distribution of ARV, and that famous aids denial statemant by TM. Zuma's shower antics are a drop in the ocean compared to this. Will the NPA and scorpions charge TM, for this mass killings on his own hands, remember when he read an outh presented to him by Puis Langa in his inauguration. But no that will not happen, instead Zuma is the big fish and target.

Karen 11/21/2008 12:54:02 PM
The point I was trying to make, however stays the same.

Kitty 11/21/2008 12:58:00 PM
Guys, the only way to fight these lunatics is to vote the opposition next year.We'll scream till we blue but our ONLY way out is our "X".Helen Zille seems to be the most reasonable choice at the mo - she works hard, that's attractive to me. Colour of her skin bothers me NOT - I wish other darkies can look past that.Ntombemnyama!!!

Purviss 11/21/2008 12:58:02 PM
The ANC controls the police, that's why they tried to protect Jackie Selebi. Now they will have direct control over the scorpions. Very convenient when you are trying to hide something. I believe that the Aus government is actively recruiting ex-scorpion members. That?s the end of the finest crime investigators in SA. I bet that certain members of our government won't try and stop them leaving the country.

Richard Hipkin 11/21/2008 1:00:03 PM
Oh man please stop you killing me here!! What entertainment for a Friday, I never thought someone could be so witty like you. I may be wrong maybe you should become a comedian. Scorpions failed at their objective? Wow, that made me roll on the floor laughing. Let's see 80% conviction rate=SAPS 10%, I feel another laughing fit coming on!!

jannie 11/21/2008 1:05:14 PM
"Will the NPA and scorpions charge TM, for this mass killings on his own hands.." The Scorpions was not the world human rights court, it was a specialised organised crime investigation unit. Get your facts straight before making statements...

victor 11/21/2008 1:14:19 PM
Is it success when you present a case against the accused to th emedia before the accused is brought to court or get the charge sheet.What success rate, they achieve 65% conviction rate yes, but of how many cases.They divided this country THEY MUST GO.

fedup 11/21/2008 1:15:09 PM
whats amazing is the fact that the people that oppressed us and killed us all these years are allowed to vote in this country. thats whats amazing.this is why you whites go on about Mandela blah blah blah. we shud have kicked you all out from the very begining because you dont appreciate sh!t. alll you can do is talk kak and more kak. hell u make me sick!!!!

Tsotsi 11/21/2008 1:16:07 PM
Say "Ahhh.." Tomorrow we will get to "B" and "C"!

Jann 11/21/2008 1:16:09 PM
"All peace loving citizens will be safe under the combined unit of SAPS".?? Where do you live - on Mars? We have one of the highest crime rates in the world, so how is anyone supposed to feel safe!

SimonP 11/21/2008 1:16:15 PM
You wrote "It is a bad unit" and it "needed to be disbanded". Please tell me why 1. it is bad and 2. needed to go. I doubt if you will answer as I dont believe you have an answer. You are simply saying what you have been told without thinking.

Peter S 11/21/2008 1:18:50 PM
The scorpions were a very good unit that did well in investigating certain crimes. It's appalling that during their existence, so many RDP housing projects, worth hunreds of millions of Rands, couldn't be completed cause money was lost and yet no one was arrested. It is suspicious to see how they focused their attention on the arms deal when ther's so much white collar crime that prevails without questions. It then became clear to me that this unit was created for an evil purpose. let them go!

Les-Maada 11/21/2008 1:22:23 PM
The scorpions is still going to be operative only this time under the different directorate & name!!The unit is not going to be diverted away from its originally assigned tasks, as easy as that!It does'nt come as a suprise that some usually misled flock in this forum have let themselves into the path of woods again,What a shame!Nice try Rivaan!

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