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Peter Neill

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Coach on the couch

by Peter Neill
2009-07-01 12:18

When Peter De Villiers was appointed as Springbok coach after Jake White, I decided to back the man. Not because I knew much about him (apart from his success with the Baby Boks), but because I wanted every South African rugby player, no matter the ethnicity, to believe that they had a chance to make the team.

I'm not saying an EQUAL opportunity - just a chance! The reality is that it will take a long time in this country, if ever, that everyone will have an EQUAL opportunity, and in fact there are few countries in the world that can boast this position.

But the appointment of Peter De Villiers brought hope for many South Africans and it's not hard to understand why. I was a big Jake White fan, but no matter what Jake did and no matter how well he did it, it would be difficult, even near impossible, for the majority of South Africans to believe that he wasn't biased in favour of his own ethnicity. I'm not saying that those who judged him were correct, but given the history of this country, in my opinion it is certainly understandable.

Good first impression

So enter the arena Peter De Villiers, a man who could pick a white player without being seen to be a racist, or who could appoint a black player and at the very least have the backing of the majority of the population and the powers that be. The cynics expected wholesale changes, but ironically his survival as coach depended on results and so even he chose almost all of Jake White's players, who were tried and tested, and who he knew would bring him the results that he so desperately needed - a move that in itself endorsed White's achievements.

In the beginning I was impressed by De Villiers' passion for the game. Some of his comments kept us both amused and confused, but at the very least he managed to boggle the minds of the international media, who most of the time were left scratching their heads and totally bewildered, which for me was a good thing.

Adi Jacobs, was a good selection and for a while De Villiers had seemingly dismissed his critics with fairly good results, in particular the win in New Zealand and the demolition of Australia at the end of the Tri-Nations.

But how quickly things can change in rugby and all because the Bulls destroyed the Chiefs and the Stormers came nowhere in this year's Super 14. Common sense for most rugby supporters would have expected De Villiers to question why the Bulls were so dominant and the Stormers so ordinary, and not just the Stormers.

Benefit of the doubt

It seemed obvious to everybody except De Villiers (and maybe Dick Muir) that players like Ruan Pienaar, Schalk Burger, Adi Jacobs, Ricky Januarie, Jean De Villiers and even Francois Steyn were not completely in form for whatever reasons, some because of injury.

To most of us it also seemed obvious that players like Morne Steyn, Heinrich Brussow, Wynand Olivier, Zane Kirchner, and even JP Nel had been hugely instrumental in guiding the Bulls to their Super 14 success. Jaque Fourie from the Lion's had also been outstanding.

But still I gave De Villiers the benefit of the doubt with his selections, as it was obvious that for the first British & Irish Lions test he had chosen to stick with his tried and tested players, and even that to me was understandable.

By default and a blessing, Brussouw was selected because of Burger's injury for the first test and until early in the second half of that game, the Boks reigned supreme. But suddenly I watched in disbelief as Tendai Mtawarira, Bakkies Botha, Henrich Brussow, Victor Matfield, Fourie Du Preez, John Smit and Jean De Villiers were substituted and within minutes the game was turned on its head. It wasn't long before we were staring down the barrel, so to speak.

Poor decision-making

For this moment of madness alone, it's not surprising to me that people are calling for De Villiers' head, and race has nothing to do with it, but because of some poor naïve decision-making on his part, and an apparent touch of arrogance in the way he substituted his full bench within a few minutes and turned the Lions series on its head.

At this point it was obvious to all, except himself, and the Brits, that he had effectively handed over the psychological advantage on a platter to the enemy. Let's face it, I never truly believed that the Lions would win a game against the Boks, and I still don't, but I also didn't expect our own coach to make it so difficult for us to win. Even a Fox Terrier can turn an Alsatian on his heals if his tail is up and he makes enough noise!

Next the disgraceful Schalk Burger eye gouging incident this weekend, when it was obvious to all that Brussouw should have started instead of Burger. Add to that more poor decision making by the coach at substitution time, coupled with yesterday's ranting, all of which is indefensible and certainly not the qualities that should personify someone who by his self admission is a "God-given talent", particularly when he can't even spot a good old fashion eye-gouging in slow motion! I'm not saying I've written De Villiers off completely, but for now I would suggest he keeps his mouth shut and starts to show the talents he so boldly claims to possess!

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GT 7/1/2009 12:29:07 PM
OK, all, this is how it will work. The "Groot Sakemanne" who think they own the game of rugby in SA, but in truth, do still pull all the strings, will bide their time until this PDV quota puppet has hung himself. Then they'll go ahead with their original Plan A, and hire a new coach to take the Boks through to the 2011 RWC. WATCH THIS SPACE, CAUSE IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN !!!

W 7/1/2009 12:31:58 PM
Will someone please just get PdV a PR? This guy may be good in coaching rugby players... but please don't open your mouth and speak to the media. What a disgrace, our"God-given-talent".

SimonP 7/1/2009 12:33:24 PM
De Villiers should stop talking and let results talk for themselves. It seems whenever he does talk he ends up with his foot firmly lodged in his mouth. Criticising his critiscs using the race card will get him nowhere.

Mr Rugby 7/1/2009 12:35:55 PM
Listen julle, PDV is the best coach in the world...he's a real genius and has taken a lucky world cup winning team to stardom...i'm not white and never like white but I like mos ou PDV as he's my kind of guy...who cares what he says let him win games...they should pay him like santana as he is already a legend like tiger woods..

Willie 7/1/2009 12:36:17 PM
When he started playing his race card I lost all respect for him, us racist like the snow white "beast' but not January??? To tell a black Journalist that he should decide if he is white or black??? How can that be good for anything in this country? His biggest critics the last week were journalists of coulor. He should grow up... He is simply put a W@NKER!!!!

Mzi 7/1/2009 12:41:29 PM
if De villiers is removed, race and his political affiliations will have everything to do with it. We know for a fact that he was not a favourite to the white population, international media also spread lies about him, the white man who died tried to nail peter de villiers of some sex scandal all because of hatred and skin colour issues. It is believed that rugby sport is for whities only, lot of young black players proved themselves to be the best in the field but were isolated bcoz of race.

I often watch rugby at greenside pirates club, very organised team and trained by a talented black man. I do not understand why should people still believe rugby belongs to white people only

meester 7/1/2009 12:43:23 PM
good objective article...really well done! would be interesting to see the responses!!!!

Sonny 7/1/2009 12:44:11 PM
Get ready to be called a racist pal! I agrre with you wholehaertedly though.

Juan 7/1/2009 12:44:43 PM
Well, we're WINNING, aren't we? - Peter achieved 2 records: Beating NZ in the house of pain, and beating England by the widest margin EVER, so give him the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes there IS method in his 'madness'. We can only criticize when we are LOSING all the time.. Gove the man a break!

IandI 7/1/2009 12:45:50 PM
What has Divvy been smoking now lately?..Fynbos? And what about the crazy comments about the eye-gouging incident? Maybe Divvy should be appointed coach if the SA Balllet team. It's just tu(tu) much.

cvz 7/1/2009 12:46:12 PM
Yeah, Muppet could only ride on the back of Jake Whites accomplishments for so long....now his true colours are showing...

My 2 cents 7/1/2009 12:46:15 PM
It is easy to take credit for all those wins if it was not by your own doing. PdV took over a well oiled machine, driven by John Smith. Wait until the end of this season, most of the boks waited for the Lion's tour before moving on. When he has to build his own team and they win, then I will respect him. Nick Mallet had the same success and then it all went pear shaped!

marcel 7/1/2009 12:49:26 PM
Oh gee, what a suprise. We've just beaten the Lions and there's nothing but negative things written about the coach. No one saw this coming. You sure are so very clever, writing after the fact.

Suckie 7/1/2009 12:54:19 PM
@my 2 cents: if it is not broken why change it?

GT 7/1/2009 12:57:16 PM
@Juan, firstly, PDV didn't have the record of beating England with the highest marging ever. Jake White also had a 36 point marging against England. Secondly, yes, winning is everything, but as the World Champions, we should be winning with style and big margins, not narrowly scraping by. Who wants mediocre performances when you're the best in the world ??? Why settle for just good enough when we should be brilliant !!!

harry 7/1/2009 12:57:24 PM
Jeez guys, this really has nothing to do with Snorre's colour. His selections are suspect to say the least, he makes an idiot of himself in front of the whole world. We should have beaten the Lions by at least 15 to 20 points in BOTH games. Peter is a doos and should leave.

Rodders 7/1/2009 12:58:41 PM
Your statement reads: "To most of us it also seemed obvious that players like Morne Steyn, Heinrich Brussow, Wynand Olivier, Zane Kirchner, and even JP Nel had been hugely instrumental in guiding the Bulls to their Super 14 success."

Jeez, Brussow is more influential in the game than anyone realises, if he could have a 'huge influence' on the Bulls Super 14 win while playing for the Cheetahs!!!!... :-)

WILDFIRE 7/1/2009 12:58:47 PM
On merit he should never have been elected as the Springbok coach - he is totally out of his depths.He also does not possess the know how to speak to people. He is a selfconfirmed ANC supporter and that in its own right disqualifies him totally as a rational thinking person. In my eyes , an idiot.

Poloyatonki 7/1/2009 12:59:55 PM
@Mzi – you are spot on….. I really wonder when will this racism in rugby end

sjb 7/1/2009 1:03:00 PM
@cvz & my 2 cents, you know you idiots will never learn, you guys most likely crucified Jake White when the Boks were losing, what is it going to take for you ppl to get it through your think heads, so he took over a from Jake White get over it already, would you have changed the side all together..geez like, thats the problem with sa fans...nothing is ever good enough...u lose its a problem you win, then still have a problem...real couch critics...irritating really!!!

Tsatsatsa 7/1/2009 1:05:30 PM
Where is this much acclaimed jake white now? He is in limbo,he claimed just after the world cup "there are lots of offers" but whatever happened to those?
The Boks have not had the opportunity to play as much as the Lions had,Lions played almost all our sides ahead of playing Boks, i think PDiv wanted to give others a run unfortunately it was during a series.
But honestly rugby is not such a smart people's game after all,the number of leagues registered with IRB are one-seventh
that registered with FIFA.Half the world does not play rugby and you claim to be world champions,my foot!! Follow the game of billion players not a couple of millions fans included.

HW 7/1/2009 1:10:38 PM
@The author - "players like Morne Steyn, Heinrich Brussow, Wynand Olivier, Zane Kirchner, and even JP Nel had been hugely instrumental in guiding the Bulls to their Super 14 success" Hmmmmmm since when did Heinrich Brussouw started playing for the bulls?

@Mr Rugby 7/1/2009 1:10:58 PM
I think you should change your name to Mrs Rugby because judging by your comment you know nothing about the game. The coach should coach like his job title says, leave the talking to guys who talk as the coach is only making a fool of himself. As for his team selection, poor poor poor. To be honest, i think (hope not) we are going to catch a hiding in the tri-nations. That is where the you measure the boks, not an average Lions side. The are excellent on paper, stormers as well, but not on the pitch. Bulls could clap the lions on a good day.

shawn 7/1/2009 1:12:23 PM
@MZI
You are correct, rugby isn't a "whites only" sport. I don't care if the whole team is white or black, but PdV is not the right man for the job, he has proved that to the world with his dumb comments over the past weeks.
who knows, maybe rugby was intended for blacks all along, cause they sure as hell can't play soccer!

colin 7/1/2009 1:15:45 PM
In South Africa you can not fire a person if he or she performs on the job - SA Rugby do not have any reason to fire PDV in fact I see SA Rugby extending the contract of PDV and him winning this years Tri-Nations and the next World Cup - in the real world results is the only thing that counts.

Kyle DK 7/1/2009 1:19:08 PM
Well written bud! Sadly, most people will now call you racist for stating the obvious! De Villiers comments are cringe worthy and make us look like fools. I think people need to move away of calling people racist when someone questions a persons actions! Now lets win this 3-0!

SimonP 7/1/2009 1:21:03 PM
@Mzi, you are a sad sole, if De Villiers screws up and gets fired you have already decided why "if De villiers is removed, race and his political affiliations will have everything to do with it". You are tghe one intent on bring race into EVERYTHING, you are the one talking about rugby being "white" and say its everyone else. Please read and digest posts before deciding what they say before ypu read them. You will be forever blaming apartheid for all things wrong in this country.

Grim 7/1/2009 1:22:26 PM
Does anyone actually understand what Div is actually saying?? It is hobbly-gobbly crap to me...

Kev 7/1/2009 1:23:07 PM
@shawn: you say "...but PdV is not the right man for the job, he has proved that to the world with his dumb comments over the past weeks" What the hell makes a good coach? good comments or producing winning results? IDIOD

GO PDV 7/1/2009 1:24:51 PM
PDV Stats:
First SA coach to win in Dunedin (House of Pain)
Lions Series win under his belt
Record thus far: 11 wins out of 15

We all blame him when we lose ... LET"S ALL BLAME HIM WHEN WE WIN!!!

WolfBane 7/1/2009 1:25:38 PM
The only reason for the wins under DIV's belt is because he is not using amateur players. Most of the players in the squad are very experienced and they are use to playing with each other. So scratching out a win is a good indication of the individual quality of each of the players we have. I really think that DIV need's to get past the race thing and stop talking to the press. Yes we are winning but by the slimmest of margins and that is not what SA is capable. We should be beating the the Lions at every turn.

Cant we just pick the team on performance and ability instead of color ?

John 7/1/2009 1:25:54 PM
@ Juan, this man clearly suffers from a rare disease called "keyboard tourettes". Symptoms include having to HIGHLIGHT certain WORDS from TIME to TIME so that people might take NOTICE of what he has to SAY. Funny fella.

morne 7/1/2009 1:28:16 PM
Spot on Peter Neil. Our coach makes it so obvious that he feels the heat and the more he wants to deny it the more he shows it. The saying goes that when a fool opens his mouth it's there for everyone to witness...rather keep quiet and concentrate on the job. What Div must realise is that his in south africa now....the moment he leaves this country pressure is gonna mount on him. I've just read yesterday what new zealander Marc Hinton wrights about Div and it isnt nice..Think before u open your mouth Div....for your own good buddy!

Themba 7/1/2009 1:28:30 PM
Boo hoo hoo!!! Whites can be incompetent and are judged on their incompetence, but a black coach that wins matches can only be so because of the team. when he makes substitutions, he is blamed and when his substitutions perform, again he knows nothing.
Is coaching about preparing a team to win or about talking?

Stephen 7/1/2009 1:43:24 PM
Let's call a spade a spade here! Jake White should never have been replaced. If something ain't broke, don't fix it! The Boks truly are winning in spite of PDV, not because of him. PDV is just lucky he has a wealth of Rugby talent to choose from right now, but the honeymoon isn't going to last forever. I hope he is up to the task when he actually has to groom a team from scratch like Jake White did. FTR, the best Bok coaches ever were Kitch Christie & Jake White! Period! PDV is an embarrassment!

Andre 7/1/2009 1:48:56 PM
I'd rather whinge about a coach with foot-in-mouth disease than about a Bok team with lose-and-lose-agauin disease.

Vukani 7/1/2009 1:57:23 PM
One thing I have learned over the years by watching many national rugby coaches come and go is; the rugby public is never a happy bunch and the coach can never win. PDV has got a huge problem with his pre and post match interviews but you take PDV, Muir and Gold and you get a Springbok team thats winning matches. For me thats good enough. Just a pity that "just" a win is not good enough for most of the SA public. These are hard fought matches, respect the coaches and the teams!

fraud 7/1/2009 1:58:28 PM
So, if I'm hearing you correctly, PDV should be axed because he made a few wrong substitutions? Something, by the way, that he immediately rectified? Please explain the logic. Magraaf and Carel DuPlessis also inherited the 1995 world cup winning team, but they failed terribly. Please people, let's not look for excuses where there aren't, just because we can't believe a black coach is doing so well. Besides, we're only world champs because we managed to avoid NZ and Aus at the world cup - luck.

Evan 7/1/2009 1:59:50 PM
I am not white nor black, but this article is subjective. What makes you think when Peter De Villiers is not coaching in favour of his own ethnicity. This country is more worried about the race/politics then about its abilities. We must let the people with abilities to do the job rather than about the race. Jake White is a good coach, he lead the springboks to victory in the world cup and what did he get? Don't mix politics with sports, let the people with abilities do the job!!!

Gerhard 7/1/2009 2:01:02 PM
Msi, I think that you are pretty much the only SA that believes that...

ANON 7/1/2009 2:01:32 PM
So the Boks won again, who do they blame for the win...yes.. THE COACH lol.

John 7/1/2009 2:03:42 PM
Good assessment Peter Neill. PDV has used his status as a platform for making his political affiliations heard by his public support for the ANC. I would suggest he sticks to rugby, a game he has limited knowlege of, and focus on learning by his mistakes and growing into an international coach. He has a meriad of people that would be prepared to help if only he were not so arrogant and professed to know everything. He can start by getting a media manager to do the talking.

fern 7/1/2009 2:04:59 PM
Ppl seem to be assuming that the coach sits around and does nothing. We have had decent performances since he took over. I have yet to see a 49-0 or even something remotely close. You are id1ots if you think its just the players pulling us through. We are definately not playing as defensively as during the JW era. Get a grip man

Cape Town Kid 7/1/2009 2:06:43 PM
How can you say its not racist when YOU make the racist conclusions. Excuse me, this article has so many racist overtones. I think PDiv has got a right to be frustrated with you people.You simply cannot prevent yourselves from making the racial argument and then you tell him to toe the line. Another point,why are you people so hell-bent on this nit-picking? You never nit-picked with WHITE or any of the previous cronies.For goodness sake, we have WON the series!

Joe Man 7/1/2009 2:07:43 PM
@The Author,When PDV is winning,that's Jackie White's players and Once he make subs then that's not JW players.That rubbish

Mike 7/1/2009 2:21:22 PM
@Peter-Do you rely on hearsay or what? Go and confirm who plays for which team, Brussouw is a Cheetah,as to how he influenced the Bulls' win,only a w@nker will come up such a lie.

Cina 7/1/2009 2:25:21 PM
Just look @ the rugby sevens team mostly black and brilliant as well as there coach. Who received an award on Monday night for the most media friendly personality at the 29th annual SAB sports journalism awards. Why can't Div just keep his mouth shut and do his job like Paul do. Div is a disgrace to South Africa sports.

Magapane 7/1/2009 2:27:28 PM
The online rugby coach with poor judgement!!! Maybe you should have applied for the job so that you can display your lack of talent. Be honest and admit that the problem with most of you PDV haters is tha he is black.

Dea A 7/1/2009 2:28:08 PM
Well written and so true!

Angela 7/1/2009 2:31:06 PM
Pdivvy's critics are not critisizing him due to his colour, they are critisizing him due to the fact that he is an idiot with foot in mouth disease who is embarrassing our team and our country with his comments ... so GET OVER IT ALREADY, if you doubt me, please go back to the news reports relating to our previously extremely bad WHITE coaches, which include Rudolph Straeuli, Andre Markgraaff and Morne Du Plessis, they were critisized because they were idiots as well, Ricky was also not booed because he was black, he was booed becuase he dropped the bloody ball, did you see what was done to Percy for a full two years by his white supporters??? he was booed consistently by the SA rugby public for 2 years???? IT is not racism people, GET OVER IT, stop bringing race into everything???!?!?!?

Rudi 7/1/2009 2:40:27 PM
Why the race card has to be plaid I dont know - you would think that the last couple of years we all would have grown up and start looking at the future - but no - still it has to be the race card that is thrown into the mix. The question here is if PDV is the man for the job? And I believe he is, he has to be allowed to make his decissions and make mistakes this is how every one learns and grows - all he needs to do is to just think some times before he utters what is on his mind. HEY PDV no one is out to get you all we want you to do is to get the job done and keep on making us proud.

Vernon 7/1/2009 2:42:39 PM
Firstly - Guys with all due respect get over race and racial issues or comments this is rugby the sport we all love racial issues went out the window when Madiba became President - Poor selectons and very poor substitutions - he should have chosen the best first got the game tied up and then given the others a run at the end. We all understand about game and match fees!!

Ricky 7/1/2009 2:45:34 PM
I think all this negative shut of Peter de Villiers will stop when SARUGBY appoints a mediaman to handle all the questions of the media and let PDV concentrate on his job of coaching our beloved springboks because to be honest he does not have a clue how to handle the media and the more he talks to them the more he made a fool of himself and all the PDV supports who believed in his coaching ability`s. So please mr.Hosking do the right now before the man talk him out of a job.

bo 7/1/2009 2:46:15 PM
PDV did make some selection mistakes, and should not have said the stuff he said, but show me which coach in any sport in the world that picks the most on form players everytime for any national team. You people have a huge issue that he is black and on top of that he won the series, which your white coach could not win in 1997. Does PR win matches??? NO, so shut up regarding that topic. What does his win record say?? Honestly, get a life people, support the whole team and not certain aspects of it.

garyh 7/1/2009 2:56:27 PM
@Mzi, please read Angela's brilliant synopsis on the reality around SA Rugby. We supporters will worship you or sledge you, irrespective of colour. The fact that you do not know this is simply because you are not a real supporter, or perhaps a "new' supporter.I am sorry to say, but a lot of you blacks are very fragile and perhaps with good reason, but in time you will chill and see things as they really are, some of you already do, Div is extremely delicate and fragile, and the poor chap has one of the toughest jobs in SA, I doubt whether he will last his contract, really not tough enough!

kitty 7/1/2009 2:57:13 PM
you are so right Angela. i will boo for a player if he is playing like a foo and hellium is quite a fool when he opens his mouth...

EC0157 7/1/2009 3:16:25 PM
The man speaks in riddles no one but him can understand what he is trying to say.When he took the job he promised that he would pick players purely based on merit and form( period) However clearly that is not the case.( e.g Earl rose??) The man has no idea what he is doing, the only reason the boks are winning is down to the experience in the overall squad i.e over 700 caps between them. With players at his disposal we should be dominating world rugby

pickels 7/1/2009 3:19:02 PM
Um..he is winning games isn't he? sounds more like you a bulls fan with a sore toe.

Jonno 7/1/2009 3:19:35 PM
I know PVD. He is a good oke. His only problem is that he can't speak in public. 'I am a God given talent' = 'I HAVE a God given talent'. Whats wrong with that??? If you are good at something and you know you are, why give a damn about what journo's think of you? There is not one person reading this that doesnt think that journalists often take things out of context and make mountains out of mole heaps, we all know they do it. Its just Div's turn to get a grating from them thats all...

fraud 7/1/2009 3:22:46 PM
@Angela...yes, those coaches were critisized and eventually fired - for losing. PDV is winning and keeps breaking records (in a good way). So why is he the most hated bok coach ever? Yes, he's not good at press conferences, but how would you react if the entire media, local and international, were out to discredit everything you say or do? Media, where PDV is concerned, have a clear agenda; they always have and they always will. Unfortunately, media shapes public opinion, which is why most of you feel the way you do. PDV, in his first season, has achieved more than most coaches. If your hatred of him is not racial, then it must be because of the fact that he calls a spade by its rightful name.

AS 7/1/2009 3:24:18 PM
No wonder the ANC'rs understand old Div, he speaks the same gobbledygook as their leaders do. He should consider a career in standup comedy, not sport, he is friggin hilarious!

kyle Logan 7/1/2009 3:36:30 PM
@Cape Town Kid- once again you show what an idiot you are.... do you know how many people complained about jake white...all of them whites... SA complains about any rugby coach if they dont perform... PDV has done well so far, one or two stupid mistakes but they can be forgiven...what cant be forgiven is the fact that he should not be aloud to speak.... he might be a good coach but he is NOT a good spoke's person!

Baby Phlex 7/1/2009 3:36:48 PM
Thank you Angela, it seems like when people cant get their point through, race becomes a point of refference! some of us are not about colour, but about brains and logic. thats how we get to agree and disagree in debating this topics!

Robert 7/1/2009 3:45:07 PM
Helium is going to get the Nobel Prize for Chemistry, Changing a Springbok into Crap

Deon 7/1/2009 3:57:07 PM
PDV is a naive man, and I like him for it. The British media are tearing him to shreds because he doesn't allude to things, or deign to comment, or make vague statement. He bloody wells says what he wants. I love him for it. And look at the way he defended Schalk. That action counted alot for me.

jonty 7/1/2009 3:59:39 PM
great article!! really good!

n 7/1/2009 4:00:51 PM
PdV has done okay considering that he was following in the footsteps of a world cup winning coach. True he has foot-in-mouth problems, but he shows loyalty to his players even when they struggle and he should be praised for that. With PdV you a couple of bad games before you get dropped. The people in charge probably have a coach they want for 2011, but they needed an reasonable interim who could handle the political and fans heat for a while. 2007 was not far from 2009. A world cup winning coach will always be a hard act to follow in this country that is still struggling with viewing things in non-racial terms. Best thing is for PdV is to avoid racialising things, support his players and keep on winning no matter how sloppy or unconvincing it looks.

jonty 7/1/2009 4:02:49 PM
Cape town kid, you are an idiot plain and simple! please never post again. every bok coach is greeted with huge amounts if critism! jake white was almsot fired once upon a time! Id suggest rwading his book. This article has nothing to do with race uyet you continuously bring it up in all your posts. Please shut up! You are an embaresment!

Province 7/1/2009 4:03:45 PM
To the writer. Heinrich Brussouw had absolutely nothing to do with the Bulls' success in the Super 14. Which i guess any product of Grey Bloem would have been quick to point out. An elementary mistake like that makes one doubt your rugby knowledge in general...

Angela 7/1/2009 4:07:09 PM
@fraud, You have clearly not been a rugby fan for long, Pdivvy isn't the most hated bok coach by a very very very long shot.... He just needs to be careful what comes out of his mouth and he needs to make friends with the media, not attack the media and the public for critisizing him or the players, that is part of the job and if you cannot handle the heat, get out of the kitchen!! Have you noticed who the most popular players are for the Sharks = Beast, JP, Bulls = Habana, Chilliboy - Does this not say something to all the black supporters out there? Rubgy isn't racist, it is a certain few individuals that may be, Human beings will critize anybody who makes a fool of themselves with comments that make absolutely no sense!!!

David 7/1/2009 4:09:29 PM
PdV' issues are more about what he says off the pitch than how the boks perform on it. We are world class enough and have a great Captain that we will pull off most wins in spite of the management. The issue is PdV is the head that the world judge much of SA and therefall all of us and they think he is an idiot and therefore we are associated to that. He started his sound bytes before he got the job, but he lost any respect by condoning the eye gouging. It's just become embarrasing.

Raymond 7/1/2009 4:11:15 PM
GT-you hit the nail on the head.Everyone feels the same way as you.PLEASE Twakkie READ THIS COMMENT-THIS IS WHAT PEOPLE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO GET THROUGH TO YOU.

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