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Frustrated Doctor

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'Give docs what they want'

by Frustrated Doctor
2009-07-02 10:22

I would like to make my opinion heard as seen from Canada. People might say I am not loyal to South Africa and ran away, leaving the system to struggle even more. Maybe so, but I never left South Africa in 2007 with the intent of doing so permanently. After two years in Canada I will still never ever let South Africa go as my home.

It is wonderful to work in a first world country with everything that is functional and having endless resources to use. Of course they also have their problems, but these get named and addressed with the necessary attention it deserves.
 
I have sympathy for the doctors who have decided to strike in South Africa, simply because the powers that be do not listen or appreciate the importance of the current public health care problems South Africa is facing. They choose to just ignore the problems.

Instead of keeping the current doctors and other health professionals happy they make things so unbearable that going overseas is almost an automatic decision once you have completed your community service. Some stay to specialise, but then leave the country as soon as they have done so. Is this not disturbing?! It is not normal.

Longing for home

I long for a walk on the beach in the Southern Cape, a braai on the deck while enjoying all of this with close friends. Instead, I find myself working in Canada where the system functions very well, but am I happy? You cannot take that South African spirit out of you or even think that you can adjust to the Canadian way of doing things.

There is at least one South African doctor in every single town in Canada. That is shocking! I can guarantee you that lots of them feel the same way I do. At least you get to see something for the income tax you pay here! It is so discouraging working in a South African public hospital where you have to struggle to deliver that much needed medical service. You always try to provide the best possible service but this often fails because of lack of supplies, shortages of staff, low moral - all mainly because of bad management by the "know it all" useless people running the country and in particular the health care system.

In South Africa you practise first world medicine in a third world country. It can certainly improve if the management can be improved. We have worldwide recognition as excellent physicians, and I really hope we can continue to keep that name high. But unfortunately with the dismal state of things at the moment the future looks rather dark.

Supporting the doctors

It was appalling to read that some of the head of departments at the Faculty of Health Sciences at the UOFS in Bloemfontein admitted that the quality of specialist training is declining due to shortages of funds. It further stated that it is only a matter of time before the so far better managed Western Cape universities will follow in their footsteps. That would be a very sad day.
 
I fully support the action the doctors of South Africa are taking. Firing them will not help. Get more Cuban doctors to work in SA, and you can be sure that there will be an even bigger "brain drain" as more and more health professional leave the country. I can guarantee you - Canada will not let the opportunity slip by to help those interested in coming here. Is that what the government wants?
 
Please listen to the outcries of the overworked doctors in South Africa. Please do something so that a practical solution can be found. I would love to go back to our beautiful country and deliver a much needed service in the public sector, but I have to say, things are not looking good.

Think about it - if you can work in Canada for six months of the year in a system that functions well and have limited frustrations, and then go on six months of holiday in South Africa, still earning more than you would during a whole year of working in South Africa, what would you choose?

Quality of life

At the end of the day it comes down to quality of life. People say that the doctors are materialistic and just want more money. It is more a case of getting on par with equally qualified employees in the government setup. That is one thing that Canada has taught me - money does not make you happy. People will argue that, but in the end it is the feeling of fulfilment in life that really counts.

I hope this will reach lots of readers. There are lots of people like me that would like to go back to South Africa and we hope every single day that things will improve. The time to act is now, not tomorrow or next year, and support should not only come from the health professionals, but from the public who they serve as well.

The government has a responsibility to the people of South Africa to spend the tax money wisely. They have obviously been failing to do so for many years. Good luck to all the doctors and other health professionals in SA, we are behind you every step of the way in an attempt to get better health care for everyone.

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Wisdom @ Author 7/2/2009 10:39:12 AM
You are unfortunately correct, we are loosing not only doctors but other professionals to other countries. The main reason I think is that our goverment and those that voted for them focus on getting the representation part correct, AT ALL COST. Loosing the quality and competence which is secondary to them. Hope they wake up before it is too late....

Ims 7/2/2009 10:40:10 AM
I couldn't agree more - I also support the Doctors strike, they deserve a lot more than what they have! only thing, "government has a responsibility to the people of SA"? The government does not give a rats @ss about the People and that is realistic so who know where this will head. The Doctors leave every day for another part of the world, and honestly, you cannot blame them. Maybe the gov. will realise this when more people die, and believe me it is not the fault of any doctor should this happen!

SimonP 7/2/2009 10:44:04 AM
A completely sane article, however the author will be told he is a traitor, unpatriotic and should have no say because despite speaking the truth he is abroad. Come on Bongani, Halfbrain et al lets here your nonsense.

Halfwise 7/2/2009 10:47:56 AM
Give doctors what they want….. that’s a dangerous way of saying it. Then I guess everyone must be given what they want, Teachers, Security gaurds, mine workers, etc.. Stupid Article…SA is not a paradise they must understand that and get back to work now.

IandI 7/2/2009 10:52:21 AM
Our govt has money for things far more important than healthcare(e.g Submarines,year-end functions, luxury vehicles for our esteemed leaders etc).By the way, they can afford to go to private hospitals, not the dilapidated mortuaries called "state hospitals".Aloota- continua!

Poloyatonki 7/2/2009 10:52:28 AM
You doctor must stop your rubbish now, you are protesting ANC gov not your demands, that’s what this rubbish is all about…..those who are protesting belong to opposition parties.

Casper 7/2/2009 10:54:27 AM
If I had the financial support I would have left the country as well. It is shocking to learn via strikes that the Government only think about their own pockets.

Win 7/2/2009 10:57:56 AM
I agree with you 100%. But watch some of the pro government twats say otherwise. I have friends staying in Canada and they say its the best move they've ever made in terms of quality of life. This government can't do shit! Look at the SABC! If I were a doctor, I would also go overseas and go to a country that has the facilities to help me do my job properly, and that is to save lives. Here, you just wasting your time.

k_m 7/2/2009 10:59:15 AM
The govt has failed many departments. The ministers are just there to earn tera bucks. The medical proffessionals are underpaid which is a fact but one thing I disagree is with this strike action. The DRS must think about the oath thay they took in the firt place. Who is to blame for the loss of life? Tp lose a life is no joke. These materialistic thinhs can be worked out not people loosing their lives due to a strike for a mear increase. In this case of the strike they should then ammended the wordings in the oath to include somewhere about strikes.

Juan 7/2/2009 11:01:07 AM
I agree with you, but WHO needs good doctors and clean hospitals? It's FAR MORE IMPORTANT that taxpayer money is spent on the menesta of health's brand new mercedes, and JZ's drunken parties!

SimonP 7/2/2009 11:08:22 AM
When other workers strike we call them names, but when doctors strike we support. i think we are more than crazy. Metro police were in strike complaining about corrupt senior management, but we said they were crazy.Prison warders also were in strike saying they are not safe and they do not have enough manpower to do their jobs properly, but we called them names. Doctors deserve to get what they want like everybody else. But to say they do essential service that is taking too far.

Marc 7/2/2009 11:09:09 AM
Well written Sir. And please dont worry about all these ANC Monkeys that will tell you how bad you are for leaving. Any one with half a brain cell will understand what you said.

Hope to see you soon back .....Hope

Chris 7/2/2009 11:14:21 AM
It's so so sad to have to read things like this. I can only hope that the Gov has opened it's eyes to try and prevent such things in the future.

WILDFIRE 7/2/2009 11:17:37 AM
So everyone may strike except the doctors ... I say they should keep striking until they are adequately rewarded. There is many people that can do with a little less free hospitalisation. At least the doctors do not burn tyres or do those silly little Zooma dances.

M 7/2/2009 11:19:55 AM
See, in this country you aren't paid according to your qualifications or what you do and how stressful your job is. Medical docs are for example more qualified than a CA, yet they earn way less. They are also put in hospitals that are understaffed, where staff is overworked and where the docs don't get the tools to do the job. All because the ANC regime failed in every respect to appoint proper leaders in the relevant departments and because they don't understand health care eventually costs money and you can't simply treat a patient for R20 when the costs are in their thousands. Someone has to pay for it eventually. But govt doesn't hire rocket scientists, they hire bush warriors. So I fully agree, pay our doctors more! And stop paying useless govt officials with zero qualifications and zero experience, but with the "correct" skin colour lots of money. And health care can only be for all, if EVERYONE contributes! Everyone, even those that earn R100 a day MUST pay medical aid fees, or not get medical treatment. I mean, otherwise we can all go to the BMW dealership with our salary slips and say, I earn 10% of what JZ earns, so if the BWM costs R1m for him, I want it for R100k.

UpToHere 7/2/2009 11:22:28 AM
It's too little to late now, after being humiliated like this by government...6months to finish specialization...6months to immigration!

geez!!!! @Halfwise @Polyotonki 7/2/2009 11:23:32 AM
Bloody typical. You two just don't understand the big picture, do you? They will not go back to work for the pittance which the gov pays them. Get it? They will pack up and leave. Is that what you 2 want? So we all suffer because the ANC MP's earn millions while competant, well trained DOCTORS earn a pittance. Mine Workers don't have the opportunity to pack up and leave, do they? But doctors, teachers and nurses do. And we need these people a lot more than we need unskilled bus and taxi drivers or mine workers. Not so?

Ray 7/2/2009 11:24:28 AM
The ministers of health and senior management has not been doing their jobs as they were supposed to. It is sad to see professional people having to resort to standing on a pavement with a sign in hand. Presently the government is not handling the situation well and no real solution appears to be in sight...and perhaps that is at the heart of it all. Failure to recognize the problem and failure to find a solution for it...

M 7/2/2009 11:25:04 AM
@Halfwise: Oh yes SA is a paradise, if you know the right people in a certain ruling party and you get all the BEE contracts and let someone else do it on your behalf, after you have taken your lions share. It's also paradise for parliamentarians that can SLEEP ON THE JOB, while most people caught sleeping on the job, GET FIRED. But they get even bigger salaries and a tap on the wrist when (besides sleeping) they are caught with their hands in the cookie jar.But that's not all, yesterday some people were nothing, today they are the CEOs. I think paradise in SA exists, you are just too blind to see it.

@halfwit 7/2/2009 11:25:25 AM
The reason this country is not paradise is because of idiots like yourself who have run this country into the ground. Doctors form a more specialised part of society and therefore their demands should be met. Who would you rather be trapped on a deserted island with? A doctor or a mine worker ?

Sinudeity @Halfwise 7/2/2009 11:27:16 AM
Pay teachers more too! They are the single most important people in South Africa today. SA is not a paradise, unless you are an ANC cadre. Selebi, has been paid a salary for two years now, for sitting on his ass. Everyone is struggling, in the recession, except the ANC cadres.

The SimonP 7/2/2009 11:27:35 AM
@SimonP 11:08:22, you sad twat, do you really think anyone believes your post is from me? I assume you are one of the dimwit ANC followers.

Jerry 7/2/2009 11:28:27 AM
Halfwise what about just leaving you stupid ideot

Sinudeity @Poloyatonki 7/2/2009 11:29:36 AM
Weak argument polo, making it a DA v ANC issue. Are ALL doctors in South Africa opp party supporters? At least that proves a theory, that educated people, do not support the ANC :)

Get_a_job 7/2/2009 11:40:55 AM
@regulars ...during my lunch break i read what some of you have to say...some of you make sense...and the others(mostly those who are "non swimmers") talk the biggest load of dogs bollocks....

but that is not my point...i am just curious if you guys actually have real jobs? no matter what the article you always have an opinion...

Blerk 7/2/2009 11:40:55 AM
My friend you have made the right move. Just read the garbled nonsense by Poloyatonki above to understand the kind of mentality we are dealing with here. And that stupidity exists at all levels, so there's no winning. Good luck in your new life, you'd be crazy to come back.

glock 22c 7/2/2009 11:45:03 AM
You know what I dont blame you for a second for leaving. SA is a great place but the anc and their lemmings is turning it into a second zimbabwe. Dont come back dont bring your expertise back to come and serv these savages. Let then go to witch doctors for their health care.The rest of us here are all on PVT health care so we dont have to be killed in government hospitals ...

Joe Public 7/2/2009 11:48:39 AM
@Halfwise: But SA CAN be a paradise! If only people like you realize that.

Tumelo 7/2/2009 11:55:17 AM
We dont need to politicise every thing. The doctors are earning less under unbearable working conditions, that is a fact.A fact that is even shared by goverment.Infact Minister Motsoeledi has on countless occassions aknowledged that.

The problem we are having is one of uneven distribution of resources and salary disparities, coupled with a goverment earlier inclination towards privatisation as misled by pseudo-open market economists (we had same situation with Eskom).

I believe that we can save a lot of money from goverment parties,travelling,newspaper MEC adverts and many other non-essentials.

All these resources should be ploughed towards Health and Education.Furthermore I think we should increase the powers of Hospital CEO's,Clinic Managers, School Principals and Police Station Captains. This will go a long way in isolating Health,Education and Policing problems.

vankuijeren14@hopeless halfwits and poolatoolout 7/2/2009 11:56:49 AM
someone needs to show you what the rest of africa looks like before you 2 idiots realise where this country is headed...take a trip up north for a bit...and see the devastation left behind by people with the same mentality as you...
paradise se moer...what you want is a war-zone...

Mandy 7/2/2009 11:58:43 AM
Question??? Does'nt the ministers have some kind of oath as well when they get sworn? Does anybody know what that oath is. Well does'nt really matter when talk is cheap.

samsam 7/2/2009 11:58:58 AM
Last night I listened to Dr Rodey from Bara, she said she has 25yrs of service,she vehemently oppose what these intern students are doing, I hope someone was listening too,she acknowledge that there are problems,but must be addressed amicably as the Min is a Dr himself and willing to listen.She said she finds it strange that the CEO of the Hospital as Med Practitioner, is responsible for procurement but at the end of the day there no facilities in the hospital, at no point where the govt said there is no money for procurement, therefore the problem lies with mgt of hospital who cant compile budget, Trevor present what managers forwarded to him, he didn’t decide for them. The govt must fire these interns and recruit from Zim, and lastly at no point you can compared Canada with SA, which is third world country, if this Dr wanted to see changes happening radically you were supposed to act against apartheid within 5yrs of its power, by now SA will be compared to Canada

lekabisto 7/2/2009 12:04:45 PM
Great Article! Now what most people in this country dont realise (mostly ANC suppoters) is that when we said the ANC will run our beautiful country down the drain n turn it into the next zimbabwe is if they continue in the way they are now! by killing the public service system this includes all departments, health, education safety, etc, etc. They are incapable of realizing that stabilizing these essential services in the country is what will bring the country down. We will have all the qualified people leaving our country for greener pastures as our frustarted doctor did, and leave the country with no competent people to provide these essential services that every country needs to grow, these does not include doctors only it will be teachers, law enforcement officials, etc, etc. By the time everyone realizes this the ANC cats will be even fatter by then and it will be too late for things to be turned around. GOD I HOPE THIESE PEOPLE WAKE UP BEFORE THE NEXT ELECTION!!!!!!

G 7/2/2009 12:13:15 PM
Why are the doctors complaining, they are already well off compared to other public servants. Those who are on strike should be fired and their licences revoked. Increases can be given to bus drivers, municipal workers etc., those who really need the increases to survive. It would in fact be interesting to see the political alliances of these striking doctors.

nigel 7/2/2009 12:13:54 PM
Its absolutely DISGUSTING that the ANC govt. has through incompetence, negligence & derelict of duty, let the healthcare industry get to this stage. Say what you like ANCers, this is the same in the SABC, ESKOM, SAA etc. The Minister of Health & all her cronies that were responsible for this department for the last 10 years should be tried & convicted for their absolute disregard for their duties & obligations. The doctors are DOING their jobs for them. ITS DISGRACEFUL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I support them 10000 %

Bron Smith 7/2/2009 12:17:00 PM
Wouldnt it be nice if public servants were paid according to their qualification? I'm talking about ALL public servants, including the government. I wonder how much extra cash there would be in the coffers if all the politicians with not much more than a matric were being paid according to their level of education. I'm SURE there would be MORE than enough for Doctors and Teachers AND the Police!!

SA DUDE 7/2/2009 12:20:39 PM
Doctors on strike will go to hell.A small margin of people earn in the category they are striving for currently. It is suppose to be a noble profession but in recent years it is a money making scheme. The do not do proper evaluations and relie on science to help them find problems. No sense of logic !!!. The state funds most of their practical experience and it is they duty to help the under prevlieged (since it is they who are suffering the most). Anyway when they go private the cover up the the amount in half the time and make a mockery of society who invest millions for their healt care. It is disgusting !!!!!

WILDFIRE 7/2/2009 12:27:38 PM
Funniest thing is the government TELLING the doctors to go back to work. Meanwhile these gov officials and paliamentarians do not know the word work. GO DOCTORS - STRIKE AT LEAST ANOTHER 2 WEEKS. And do not believe a word of an ANC politician.

RedTara@glock 7/2/2009 12:33:40 PM
Agree with you 100% I say this is a great form of population control. Gods know we need it.

Aydee 7/2/2009 12:35:41 PM
I also agree that nobody should judge doctors that go overseas (if it was worth your while - or even bearable - you guys would've stayed). I'm surprised that there aren't more Poloyatonki's on this board! Just goes to show how everyone else sees this mess

Mzi 7/2/2009 12:37:31 PM
why should drs get what they want, in all negotiations parties must be willing to sacrifice. at first i supported their strike but they are becoming arrogant and using their powers to hold the government at ransom, did they sign the code of ethis? the government must just fire the whole lot. if Drs think the government is charity they might as well render services for free. south africa is not a first world country, they should accept that this is not canada or cuba.

lets 7/2/2009 12:37:39 PM
What is even more frightening is that the HPCSA,a state engine,is not going to do anything about it !!!!

Sinudeity @Mandy 7/2/2009 12:38:29 PM
The ANC's oath, among other things, talks about loyalty, not joining the party for material advantage or personal gain, and defending the unity and integrity of the organisation and combating any tendency towards disruption and factionalism. I know this is the ANC oath, not sure though, if MP's recite this, when getting sworn in.

Glitter 7/2/2009 12:39:19 PM
All went wrong when the government mentioned the word FREE and as always forecast was never in the cards as to what the word FREE will do in 10 years to come! and look at where we are today we have companies wanting bailouts etc.and where is that money coming from? Tax payers of course.and yet they still continue buying expensive cars expecting preferential treatment on the N1 at 5pm when we the taxpayers are coming from stressful jobs and trying to make ends meat. it saddens me that a person who went to Med school for 7 Years gets paid peanuts i have friends in the medical field ad earn more with just my incomplete IT diploma.. please give the doctors what they are worth! its time the public started holding the goverment accountable...15 years is a long time for people to still be misusing funds , MY MONEY, OUR MONEY FOR THAT MATTER, i just hope the AUTHOR will one day return to this beautiful today..am behind the Doctors 100% i just hope in teh next election people will not vote for the ANC again! its not about black or white anymore! The sooner we realise that the better for all of us and the next generation !

spot 7/2/2009 12:39:21 PM
It seems to be fine when the likes of municipal workers, miners, gautrain construction workers etc. go on strike as it is in the interests of the "poor" and only affects the so called "rich". Now we have a case odf the so called "rich" going on strike and its affecting the "poor". Go for it i say - give them some of thier own medicine!

critical thinker 7/2/2009 12:41:00 PM
I wonder if the unrest amongst hospital workers will spread to other essential service sectors. Does the ANC have a contigency plan to cope with disruption of these services, who will replace the exodus of medical doctors that will inevitably follow the current debacle.

GR8 7/2/2009 12:41:49 PM
This is just a pipedream. But maybe all Government employees (parliament included) should be forced to only make use of Government institutions. Maybe we will see some kind of improvement in all sectors.
No private schooling for their kids, no “Life” medical care, no vehicles to their disposal (that leaves only taxis, as there is no public transport system). The list goes on, but i am sure you get the idea.
Its just sad to think that we had state of the art hospitals and doctors, doing things in medicine that people could only dream of: the first successfull heart transplant comes to mind. Just for it to end up like this nearly 50 years later. Its like we are going backwards.
In another paper i read, that there is actually no funding available to enable doctors to specialise.


Avra 7/2/2009 12:47:07 PM
Amen

M 7/2/2009 12:56:51 PM
@G: You argument brings us to communism, where doctors and cleaners earn the same. Wonder why that collapsed. You have never lived under a communist regime so you should rather keep your comments to yourself.

@SA DUDE: I wish you were that passionate about salaries of CA's or maybe criminal lawyers, or even govt officials. What about all those senior staff in Eskom/SAA, they never created anything, broke what was working yet they earn WAY MORE than the average guy on the street. If it weren't for doctors in this country the life expectancy of the average SA would be 50. So next time you are ill, go to a witch doctor! Apparently they do wonders! (for your pocket, making it lighter that is, without curing anything)

johnson 7/2/2009 12:58:01 PM
Brilliant article. Well said. Bloated corrupt governments and uneducated, illiterate morons like halfwit and polatoolout are the scourge of this country. Ministers with no qualifications and intelligence (maybe Halfwit and Polyotonki will get lucky as being an idiot seems to qualify you for government)earn millions when the people we really need in essential services - doctors, nurses, teachers - earn the salaries these morons SHOULD be earning. A doctor with a 7 year degree earns R9000 a month and a young ANC minister with no qualifications, earns R60 000.00 If he was run over by a bus tomorrow, no one would care or notice, but if it happened to that young doctor in that rural clinic hundreds could die. Who is worth more? But in this country if you can stuff up the administration of our essential services you are immediately qualified to earn a fortune, while the poor doctor who actually delivers and works like a slave, earns like a slave, Only in SA!!!!

WILDFIRE@RedTara&Glock 7/2/2009 12:58:28 PM
Spot on.

Kyri Demetriades 7/2/2009 1:06:00 PM
What politicians should realise is that they are a dime a dozen.They are a necessary evil in society today and unfortunately very few capable people are drawn to this career.On the other hand doctors are worth their weight in gold and should be fairly compensated for the services they provide.The novel ATLAS SHRUGGED by Ayn Rand should be compulsory reading for all politicians.

Alien Dude @ mzi 7/2/2009 1:06:31 PM
You genius you! Good idea that....fire them all so your kind will die in even bigger droves than they are now.Too cleva u ah....

Mzi @ johnson 7/2/2009 1:07:20 PM
what a hypocrite, if cosatu strike for the teachers you label them greedy and not considerate during the recession but you support the strike by the doctors. go screw a tree you idiot. remember a politician chose a career, and so is doctors. careers pays differently and on different scale. no qualification needed to be a politician, it's survival of the fittest so stop yippy yapping like a kid.

hans 7/2/2009 1:12:46 PM
What I fail to see is that doctors are to blame! Government 'negotiators' held them at ransom (you may not strike) in the first place!!!

BT 7/2/2009 1:21:02 PM
@Mzi and Halfwit
Jeez guys, not sure which planet you guys belong to, but there is certainly a village somewhere missing their idiots!

Mandy @ Sinudeity 7/2/2009 1:26:33 PM
Thanks. Just a pity they don't practice what they preach. As I said in my previous post, talk is very cheap in this country.

jhs 7/2/2009 1:54:24 PM
OATH OF MINISTERS AND DEP MINISTERS
I swear that I will be faithfull to the RSA and will obey,respect and uphold the Constitution and all other law of the Republic;and I undertake to hold my office as min/dep with honour and dignity.....;and to perform the functions of my office conscientiously and to the best of my ability.
The oath means nothing to them.

Icevamp 7/2/2009 1:57:05 PM
Bus drivers vs Doctors

Did you guys know, a younger doctor, who has to save life everyday and work long hours is earning about the same as a Bus driver. Canm some-one please set professionans in perspective.

James @Poloyatonki 7/2/2009 2:12:58 PM
Obviously most of those protesting support oppositions parties. Doctors are clever. Only idiots can't see that the ANC is destroying South Africa.

Rich@SAMSAM 7/2/2009 2:19:12 PM
What are you on about??? The interns are not leading the strike!! Where did you get this garbage? The interns are in training and can't do there jobs without the supervision of the more Snr Doctors, who are unhappy with the pay increases and work conditions! Really, you should get the facts before making stupid statements.

Rich@G 7/2/2009 2:27:01 PM
Yes G, Doctors are well off compared to street sweepers, Refuse collectors, entry level teachers and police. They are on the same level as bus drivers, who compared to local and national government officials earn pittance.

A South African 7/2/2009 2:32:39 PM
How many of you out there supporting the strike has ever been to a public hospital, you sit at home in your security complexes watching your plasmas tv's and want to pass comment and judgement on everything that you can pass off as government failure. Let me not label you racist, as then it will start the rest of you to mouth-off. You walk around with your medical aid card in your wallet knowing that if anything happens to you or those you love, striking doctors are not going to affect your health. You selfish, arrogant self righteous whingers, take note I did not say white, as long as it is not at your private hospitals with your overpaid doctors your comments will flow. Now think if you were not so privileged, WOULD YOU BE SUPPORTING THE DOCTORS STRIKE, and again I have not said that they have no reason to strike.

Kerry 7/2/2009 3:19:21 PM
Some questions to be asked:
Question 1
How long have these talks been going on, without any resolution?
Question 2
How can the Government give their Ministers cars worth R1000000.00 when money is sorely needed in critical areas?
Question 3
Would the Government have actually taken the Doctors seriously if they did not strike?
To strike or not strike, that is NOT the question, the question is why was this not sorted out by the Government before it got to this stage!

johnson 7/2/2009 3:22:21 PM
Survival of the fitest - are you INSANE as well as stupid? Governments who are succesfull have intelligent, educated people running the country! What rubbish are you quoting about Cosatu and teachers? I would support our teachers if they did the same. In fact, if doctors, teachers, nurses and everyone in essential services decided to strike together, maybe something would get done by the morons in parliament

Kerry @ johnson 7/2/2009 3:34:15 PM
Could not have said it better myself!

Halfwise 7/2/2009 4:05:02 PM
Two idiots agreeing on crap -- Kerry and johnson....

Halfwise 7/2/2009 4:12:41 PM
'Give docs what they want' how about "give dogs what they want"

SM 7/2/2009 4:32:33 PM
@halfwise post 4:12:41: Yeah then you should get. Have figured out that you are half as wise as the rock you crawled from under. Howver your comments suggest that half is probably too much.

GRAHAM GREEFF 7/2/2009 4:33:54 PM
Well done and your sentiment is completely correct.It is so sad that we live in this country where we are all supposed to be African but yet the powers that be are allowed to spend vulgar amounts on inaugurations, court cases, meetings etc etc.

Yeah we will always remain South African its the bitter pill that we have to swallow with the people who will not take advise or listen.


ng 7/2/2009 4:51:07 PM
Mother admitted to Tambo Memorial on Monday night for tests for suspected cardiac problem. Wednesday, after nothing had been done she asked a doctor (or sorry excuse for one) when she could expect to be attended to. Answer from learned one "You are not here for your pleasure". If these are the idiots who are working in hospitals I don't think they deserve an increase. Next doctor arranged everything and within an hour mother was discharged. One wonders why the shambles. I think most are so busy blaming one another for the mess they forget to do what the are paid to do!

J 7/2/2009 5:06:13 PM
Making dumbwitted comments about private medical care users living in security complexes with plasma TVs that do not have to consult state hospitals is just underscoring the whole misinterpretation of the strike. It is not only remuneration, but also working conditions. Having better looked-after personnel necessarily improves employee performance and motivation, which is EXACTLY what the average Joe (who attends public hospitals) needs. How can this be so difficult to grasp? On the other hand, better structured financial packages will attract practitioners to the state sector, in the process filling the odd 12 000 vacancies that currently exist. More physicians = more patients treated, full stop. Again, one brain cell should instill one with enough logic to grasp this. As a physician in SA at the moment I am carefully watching how this unfolds...I won't hesitate for too long to leave this crumbling health system.

Medical worker 7/2/2009 5:36:51 PM
To all those who feel the Dr's are wrong. Have you tried to do their job, no I bet you haven't. Try it for one weekend and I guarantee you, you will never go back. If a strike is what it takes to make the govt wake up, then good for them. Everyone else gets to strike , why not Drs. If bus drivers and taxi drivers strike, how do the nurses who use those means of transport get to work, and how many people die because they can't. So before you all blame the Dr's for the deaths, maybe look a little further and realise the blame lies squarely on the new but oh so same govt.

Mark 7/3/2009 2:48:35 AM
Good article, for those who might think that it's only white doctors leaving the country, think again. I have met a number of non-white doctors in Canada who have left the country for the same reasons that white doctors have. If things don't change, more doctors will leave.

B 7/3/2009 7:02:54 AM
What a great article that revoked enormous emotions and little intelligence in some cases. It is a pity to see how little so many people know about the training, endurance, sacrifice and hard work a person has to go through to become a doctor. No doctor will sacrifice his or her license and years of hard work to strike for a selfish cause like money. All they want is better patient care and to be able to do their jobs properly. Is that not what everyone wants and deserves? And for better patient care, we not only need the help of doctors and the government, but the help from each and every South African citizen to stand together. Lets fight for better health for everyone by supporting our doctors!!!

@ Halfwise 7/3/2009 8:20:56 AM
Surely you did not just imply that doctors are dogs?
Remember that next time you need to see one...

Phiwe@A South African 7/3/2009 8:48:31 AM
You ignorant fool... What are you trying to get at here? That only whites have medical aid and support the strike? I got Medical aid coverage just before the strike started, so it's costing me a lot more but atleast I feel a bit more relaxed when I think of getting medical attention. I agree with their strike, we need them so we owe them... And once again to all those "hardcore" racists, what the &*%# does colour have to do with this entire dispute? Get over yourself, if you can't afford medical aid even with BEE in place then don't make your problem (which is incompetence) a racial one.

A 7/3/2009 10:28:17 AM
I seems that our labour laws apply to everyone except health care workers. they are not entitled to fair wages or fair, safe working conditions and reasonable hours. Don't chuck the Hippocratic oath at people who are exhausted and frustrated. They are not superhuman beings, just people who need to feed families and pay bills. Never judge before you have spent a month doing what they do, never mind years!

william 7/3/2009 11:14:10 AM
Yes I do have medical aid and I am used to private hospitals. Hollidaying in Northen Kwa-Zulu Natal my son got ill and I was forced to use a "bush clinic" on a urgent basis. Whilst waiting our turn to see the doctor [35 th in the line, 1 doctor available] I spoke to the nurses and walked around the place. I was shocked with the circumstances these people had to work under and he outdated equipment they had to do with. And yes, we were the only white faces in a sea of black faces. The staff were utterly professional, the docter's diagnoses were spot on, remedy.... some pills were available but although ordered months ago the other have not arrived as yet. So second best was prescribed. Hats off to these people. As dedicated as they are in their work they have to make do with serious shortcomings in their surroundings. I am 100% behind them. Improving their circumstances will also direcly improve our, the pasient's, circumstances. And proper salaries is only the begining.

Peru Govender 7/3/2009 11:25:11 AM
This is not a forum for personal attacks - There are more than 3000000 people with degrees , good morals and values and a proud sense of civic duty that support ANC - Do not class us with your low mentality by believing that only the educated support the DA - To me the DA is @@@@@@

Sinudeity @Govender 7/3/2009 11:48:31 AM
Even though, the ANC is spreading the mentality, that having an education is elitist? 3000000 ANC supporters with degrees? LOL, if that was true, then the ANC would not have been in power anymore. How do you account, for the '3000000' degrees', and theres only 8 million people in SA paying tax?

rix 7/4/2009 9:39:54 AM
I do'nt quite understand how paying the Doctors more will improve the conditions in the State hospitals. Sure it will improve conditions for them and their close as well as extended families, but how is it going to improve their working conditions? There will still be a too little medicine, gloves. bedlinen etc. The health system needs much more than better salaries for Doctors!

SA Doc 7/5/2009 1:40:00 PM
@SimonP Do you know any of the doctors who were on strike? Most of us were active members of the ANCYL throughout med school. We want to work for the public sector, with the poorest of the poor. That's why we are here, without anybody forcing us to be here. There is a private hospital up the road, begging me to go there. I can see it out the window of my unit. I have no desire to go there. We need the money to attract private sector doctors to work with us. I would do my job for free if there was another way to pay the bills. Your incorrect grammar and spelling, rude and uninformed comments and lack of decorum will not be held against you the next time you or someone you know comes to me or one of my colleagues for help but I urge you to talk to us about it and gain information from a reliable source before slinging mud at the faces of those who choose to serve you when you are in need.

Smith @rix 7/6/2009 8:35:07 AM
The strike was for both better salaries AND better working conditions. Better salaries will get some of the private guys to go back to the state hospitals. But the government need to give the health system a serious cash injection otherwise the cookie will crumble without a doubt!

Recato Eberwein 7/6/2009 11:19:34 PM
I dont know why you have to feed people to the crocodiles. Leave my friends out of this.

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