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Mbeki 'still a valuable asset'

by Mphatjie Monareng
2009-07-03 14:12

The Mo Ibrahim Foundation, a brainchild of the Sudanese-born entrepreneur, Mo Ibrahim, gives away an annual cash prize of $5m to a former African head of state who has best served his or her country while in power.

The $5m is awarded to the winner annually over a period of 10 years and a further $200 000 is paid annually for life thereafter.

Last year, the winner of the prize was Festus Mogae, the former president of Botswana. This year, there should be only one candidate for the prize: Thabo Mbeki, the former president of South Africa.

Despite efforts to underplay and scandalise his legacy, many of us in South Africa and Africa will remember Mbeki as a man who dedicated his life to the service of his country and continent - sometimes at great personal cost to himself.

Mbeki was a democrat at heart, and this was best demonstrated when he put the interests of the country above his own personal interests when he surrendered power after he was "recalled" by the post-Polokwane ANC, under the leadership of Jacob Zuma.

Throughout his years in government, Mbeki never displayed signs of seeking personal gratification. He refused to put up hollow performances in front of the media. He was most definitely not in the same league with the headline-seekers at the helm of today's government.

Many would point to Mbeki's so-called "quiet diplomacy" towards Zimbabwe and his alleged "Aids denialism" to prove that our government under his leadership was a monumental failure at best and a complicit killer at worst.

The performance of our future presidents, including Zuma, on these two contentious subjects will give us a credible yardstick against which we can judge Mbeki. So far, we are yet to see a reasonable alternative to "quiet diplomacy".

Mbeki deserves to be awarded the $5m prize this year; and I am confident that he will use the money wisely to dispatch his scarce knowledge and vision of a prosperous, free and democratic African continent.

Mbeki is still a valuable asset to the nation and to the continent, and the sooner the new bosses at Lithuli and Cosatu houses realise this and stop their vilification campaign against the man, the better.

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Fundiswa 7/3/2009 2:21:10 PM
Couldn't have put it better myself.

Veryproud 7/3/2009 2:22:59 PM
I say "Amen" to that Brother :-)

Lilian 7/3/2009 2:23:29 PM
I agree Mbeki is not given credit for the good things he has done. The ANC have villified him and yet take credit for all the good he did. Zuma will be shown up to be the "ja broer" that he is. He says all things to all people. Mbeki (although I didn't agree with a lot of things he did) at least had the guts to stand by his principles.

Glock 22 c 7/3/2009 2:26:45 PM
NO That should go to Mugabe. He is the top leader in Africa just look at how he's people support him!!!

Anon 7/3/2009 2:29:04 PM
WHAT Mr Monareng? Please stop writing articles that will bring bad emotions from us. This tribalist & denialist, who did not realise that SA is not for Xhosa people only, must just disapper from the face of this earth. Never in history has a man achieved what he has achieved in just 9 years. He single handedly destroyed SA, denied existence of AIDS, never one to allow people to hold different views from him, denied that last year's attacks were xenophobic, claiming criminal/ opposition involvement, and where was he, outside of the country? I just dont know of any father who will not return home, when his own house is burning? This idiot should get a refund for all his economic degrees, because he is bad imagine of what education can do to a person, when its not applied properly.

Poloyatonki 7/3/2009 2:38:45 PM
OOOOOh come on man, you COPE member don’t get it…. Mbeki will never rise again he is gone and I am very happy about that.. And as for you coconut (Mphatjie) if you keep on posting shit articles you will as well follow Mbeki. Lay it to rest man lets live our lives as if he was never here….Crap Article.

Thandile 7/3/2009 2:41:57 PM
The ANC is still a disgrace to all south Africans - with or without Mbeki.

zingi 7/3/2009 2:43:27 PM
it's funny that people only remember you by the so called bad things you did and forget the sacrifices and patriotism that he has.Mr Mbeki was and is one of the good leaders the we have in SA.

Walt 7/3/2009 2:47:00 PM
You have got to be kidding??!300,000+ neglegted AIDS deaths, Quiet Diplomacy for Zim!?,arms deal??, collapse of all SA services?!Yup, he right up there with the IDI Amin, Mugabe, and a dozen other African tinpot dictators!Jeeeesh - have you already forgotten? The man is a menace.

jimbo 7/3/2009 2:47:28 PM
Tell someone who cares.........

jackey 7/3/2009 2:48:16 PM
Well said..Mbeki will gladly be missed..Just a pity that the current goverment failures will always be blamed on Mbeki Gov & yet take all the credit for a job well done..We will see how the current goverment blames all their failures on the reccesion after the next round of elections..

Ivan@Mphatjie 7/3/2009 2:49:16 PM
Boet, I dissagree totally with you on this one, which is a 1st as I usually share your views and support you. Thabo was useless as a leader, he failed SA and Zim so badly, it's criminal. The only 5 he should get is 5 years for the crap he got up too. I believe that he is as guilty as anyone for the arms deal, including JZ and personally JZ is free to rule today because he has enough ammo on all these top ANC'ers to cripple the government. My only wish is that he had the balls to come clean so we could understand the magnitude of the corruption. Sorry 4 U, TM is a scoundrel, just as bad as the dutchmen who ruled SA pre '94, all thieves and liars.

IandI 7/3/2009 2:49:45 PM
Mbeki should get the $5m prize, but then he must donate it all to Aids orphans..legacy of his(and Manto's)quackery.

Bella 7/3/2009 2:52:20 PM
When was this? When Mbeki was flitting all over the globe? I seem to recall that he was way from SA helping other countries with their problems more often than not (both African and other continents - Iraq for example). Charity begins at home! Zuma was (during his DP reign) the one who was left behind to run the country. As for the prize - that sum of money is exorbitant! I thought Africa was supposed to be the poorest continent on earth yet they manage to scape together $5m (I assume its USD and not ZIM $?) to give someone a prize for doing their job properly? That money could be better used elsewhere.

T 7/3/2009 2:53:05 PM
Agreed, just a bit disappointed he did not put up a better fight against his back-stabbing comrades.

phillip 7/3/2009 2:54:16 PM
Becareful Mphatjie attacks from pro zuma unit.Thabo Mbeki deserve it,regardless of quite diplomacy."OH God help me keep my mouth shut If i have nothing to say" remember...Thus Thabo Mbeki

screamer 7/3/2009 2:54:47 PM
mbeki and zuma are two sides of the same coin, they are inseparable.Mbeki could not finish his term without Zuma and likewise Zuma cannot rule effectively without Zuma-he needs Mbeki dearly next to him. they have been together for a long time. Remember, it takes both rain and sunshine to make a rainbow.

myende 7/3/2009 2:55:18 PM
...he'll be back

Pal 7/3/2009 2:55:19 PM
As an economist Mbeki attracted a lot of foreign investment to this country. I'll always admire him for that. He walked the talk, not this airhead Vavi who appeals to the new government to work hard to attract foriegn investment, but as soon as Vodafone took over Vodacom he and anhis stooges at Cosatu cried foul. Isn't that a good example of foreign investment?

Mo 7/3/2009 2:56:17 PM
I do not agree that Mbeki should get the money. If you know the history behind this award you will see that it is given for GOOD governance. It is not given to leaders who were involved in Fraud and corruption. Mbeki was part of the arms deal even if it was not proven. It was not proven because the SA govt did not co-operate with the investigations in the UK and Germany. Mbeki had millions paid into his Swiss bank account and it was reported in the foreign media. So he does not deserve a cent of this money.

myende 7/3/2009 2:57:47 PM
The Son of the Soil once said:" People has spoken"...again people will speak!!!

Independence 7/3/2009 2:59:16 PM
Former US president Jimmy Carter said the closest he has ever been to a fist fight was when South Africa’s President Thabo Mbeki told him that anti-retrovirals for mothers infected with HIV Aids was “a plot of white people against black people.”

Gazzz 7/3/2009 2:59:38 PM
I won't let the ZUMA camp distort the way history judges one of Africa's greatest Son's ! My President MBEKI, is a great South African who has with complete devotion served his people and his country! It is not Zuma, but Mbeki who has suffered vicious persecution by the hands of those he trusted most!

sopie 7/3/2009 3:00:10 PM
Mphatjie Monareng - Of coarse he is a valuable assert BUT his father approved him. Ask Ramaphosa, Ramathlodi, Tokyo, Phosa let alone Zuma. We are in power crises, AIDS (300 000 died)because of him. When his died he came during the day of the funeral with helicopter.

Vuts 7/3/2009 3:01:19 PM
one of the best and sensible article have ever read. Being a good leader doesnt mean to be physically available in all activities, NO

dhv 7/3/2009 3:03:01 PM
I would choose Mbeki over Zuma any day. Zuma is a puppet and a criminal. He's a snake in the grass. Zuma has no morals or ethics. He bends over for COSATU and SACP.

Disgusted 7/3/2009 3:03:36 PM
Mbeki's legacy of "BEE deals for pals" is there for all to see.His obsession with gender equality left key ministries in the hands some incompetents, think Home Affairs, Health and Telecommunications.I will not bore you with the HIV/Aids mess he left behind.He let SA down whilst pursuing his own international agenda and defending despotic regimes.He is not even half the man Mogae is and does not deserve the award.

Csaw 7/3/2009 3:03:53 PM
Well said broer.Amandla comrade.

samsam 7/3/2009 3:06:13 PM
It is very difficult for me to come to conclusion with Mbeki,at some stage I suspect people who were around him like Saki/Ngcuka/Smut/Mzi who were greedy damnt Im still confuse about Mbeki, my question is, his term was over but he wanted to continue for what?

Matlala 7/3/2009 3:06:49 PM
Mbeki's yes was a yes and no was no. Zuma promised taxi drivers that they will own BRT now he can't fulfil that promise. I still say big up to Mbeki.

Nature 7/3/2009 3:08:21 PM
Monareng, Monareng, why doing this to us now? We are trying to close the Zuma vs Mbeki chapter for the sake of calamity, and sanity. You have waken up the sleeping dogs, who were sleeping peacefully. The barking noise will start literally, we don't need this anymore,we are enjoying sports fever. Should Mbeki become the suitable candidate for the money we award will gladly congratulate him.

David 7/3/2009 3:08:57 PM
I agree. His government was one that could be respected as leaders, unlike this new ANC that are acting like children and as soon as they dont get their way, they hold the country to ransom with threats of killing for their leader.

Cynical 7/3/2009 3:09:58 PM
I couldn'ta agree more with you Mphatjie. Not only does he deserve the $5m, but we ought to name something after him too. Now I hear there's a new sewerage works opening up in Soweto soon - how about naming it after him?

Eric 7/3/2009 3:12:36 PM
Why the writer never mention that Mbeki himself wanted to erase Mandela's legacy?Mbeki was all for himself.He saw Mandela as his opponent.Mbeki erased his own legacy by being selfcentred,rigid,pompours.It is only now,that Mandela is being remembered by all South African including Zuma's admistration.

Juan @ Gazzz and Mbeki fans 7/3/2009 3:15:08 PM
Yes, if mbeki 'cared' soo much about YOUR people, why would he build himseld a R90 million imported WALL, instead of helping out the poor and hungry and cold people in squatter camps. I DARE him to look a poor/hungry person in the eye and tell him that his private jet was more important than the LIVES of poor people.

Punk27 7/3/2009 3:16:19 PM
Huh!? There are many more valuable assets in this country than Mbeki. He deserves nothing but contempt. He is a punk....

Confucious 7/3/2009 3:29:36 PM
I don't think there is any one leader in the whole of Africa that deserves a prize like that. Mbeki instigated the whole arms deal and this will prove to be our downfall economically, if it has not already...

Tumelo 7/3/2009 3:29:37 PM
I knew that you were leading us to this unfortunate lane. Thabo was never a democrat, he could not tolerate descent.The ANC is the centre in terms of power, even if he did not resign he would have been embarrased by parliament the same way as in Polokwane.He was grand-standing to the arrogant so called middle class, that is accordng to me self-gratification.AIDS and Zimbabwe are the hallmark of his administration which we will forever be engulfed in.AIDS has collapsed the Health system, the current crisis we are facing 60% of it can be blamed on the AIDS catastrophe. Zimbabwe will for a long time poise a security risk to SA,its distabilisation direcly effects us. He does not even deserve a single dollar for the misrule he subjected all of us to.He was bad in Economics,Health Care, Education, Sports and race relations. I cant remember any worse disaster to the country than Nqawe. The sooner we forget him and his Yeats and Shakespear the better.

Sinudeity @Nature 7/3/2009 3:33:43 PM
"Close the Zuma vs Mbeki chapter"? Yeah, as well as completely wipe the Armsdeal under the carpet. Are you not curious about the R100 BILLION that was used to enrich the ANC cadres? JZ and Mbeki both profitted. Both of them deserved to be kicked out of the country, for corruption, and for hiding the truth.

Johan R 7/3/2009 3:33:59 PM
Rubish !!! He was useless !!

Faqu 7/3/2009 3:35:42 PM
What legacy?...just another toothless old puppet of the African regime. The fact that he is no better than the idiots he protected like MUGABE,...you people are all daydreamers, I havent seen a real leader in this country since Mandela, bless the old man but his cronies have stolen his wind and ran with the lot leaving all you fools who voted for them to sit here and keep complaining. Thats all u will ever do is complain about the lack of service. Juan + Sinudeity, with their PC's + words fight more for "the people" than any of the African leaders, (except TUTU) i have seen. Now that is something!

@Mbeki fans 7/3/2009 3:35:56 PM
Don't forget that he named his imported wall around his property Ubuntu. We will member Mbeki as a man who dedicated his life to stuffing his pockets at the tax payers expense.

shee 7/3/2009 3:38:10 PM
not Mbeki or Zuma led government can stop the spreading of HIV&aids. it seems people who have committed have blame on Mbeki for the killing of HIV& aids are they saying that the president should intervien in their sexual life or what are they suggesting. let me place the record straght to you all there is no cure for HIV & AIDS in the world so we will all die from aids if we are inffected.

ANNONYMOUS 7/3/2009 3:42:16 PM
I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT HAVE ANY GRDGES AGAINST THE FORMER PRESIDENT, SO LET'S GIVE FORMER PRESIDENT MBEKI SOME CREDIT PLEASE, HE DESERVES IT.

VIVA 7/3/2009 3:42:18 PM
HAHA he was never in the country???

Justice 7/3/2009 3:44:38 PM
What legacy???? This country would have being better place with another leader. HIV, Zimbabwe, ANC split, Selebi, SABC, Useless Manto Tshabala- Msimang, Etc, etc, this man is a disgrace!!!!They rather give the R5m AIDS suffers that he hurt with policies, good riddance.

Marubs 7/3/2009 3:44:38 PM
@cynical why can't you say something that adds value to the topic, whether u disagree or agree is not of importance. really now, your sarcasm is becoming boring.

JJ 7/3/2009 3:45:02 PM
The last good man to serve our country! Much more brains in him alone than what our whole cabinet has now!

Adeo 7/3/2009 3:45:26 PM
In 2008, with big fanfare on TV and newspapers mention was made of the cheaper fuel from Venuezela showing the two presidents signing an agreement. What happened to that agreement, Mr Mbeki?

Nic 7/3/2009 3:49:13 PM
Thabo Mbeki was a born leader. Am only 23 years old and i always aspire to be like Thabo Mbeki. Just look at the number of foreign investments that he managed to bring into the country during his term in office. I don't have any problem with president Zuma, but i wonder how many foreign investors will be convinced by him. Lets hope Tokyo and Trevor will help him do so that he can just take the credit for their work.

Rubbish 7/3/2009 3:53:24 PM
@Mpantjie
"..Mbeki was a democrat at heart, and this was best demonstrated when he put the interests of the country above his own personal interests when he surrendered power after he was "recalled" by the post-Polokwane ANC, under the leadership of Jacob Zuma.."
Parties deploy people to the gvt.They are representatives of the party meant to implement policies.If the party decides you are going astray they have an option to recall you which is what they did to TM.
RSA is not like any other state where people stay on even when they are told to leave.You might have admired TM but not all of us see the same way.
By the time Mbeki left there was a lot of tension and unhapiness not only in the country but within the ANC.
Mbeki should not have contested for ANC Presidency.
By so doing he divided the ANC and it will never be the same again neither will the country.He did a lot of good but also undid it all.

Papa 7/3/2009 3:54:11 PM
Mbeki is still an ANC member and there is no calling for Monareng to write articles about Zuma, Mbeki and the ANC from a COPE perspective. Mbeki, like any other normal human being and ANC leader, had his strong and weakpoints, high points and very low points. He also 'recalled' a number of ANC comrades from their deployment, mostly those that differed with him whereas shielding and rewarding his buddies. Is he not the AIDS denialist, Crime denialist and very alergic to criticism? Is he not the one who tried, unsuccessfuly so to demonize Tokyo, Cyril, Mathews, Zuma, Masethla etc? Mbeki, as President of the ANC and of the country, has made serious blunders that could not be overlooked even by those that love and respect him, like myself, he has had his successes too. Just like Zuma, he has his weakpoints and strongpoints too. Zuma has had successes in mediating for peace in KZN and other conflict ridden African countries, but that alone cannot determine his legacy,even his low points will be remembered too. Much as I won't oppose Mbeki receiving any award, I have a problem accepting nonsense against the ANC by the likes of Monareng the Arse Licker!

Mbuyiseli 7/3/2009 3:54:16 PM
Tell it to the morons who blame everything on him now that he is gone. Do you think there would be clowns asking him to sack Pityana and Mboweni if he was still in power? Zuma hasn’t done shit since he took over all his done is lie yes his first public appearance he promised the idiots 500 000 jobs. Well America is losing about the very same number of jobs per month. I know the numbers ain’t the same but we in the same boat aren’t we? I can’t blame this new leadership of the ANC, when you lack knowledge you got a very odd way of doing things, most of the times being brash can lead to ridicule one self in the process. Wait for the jerks to go berserk and scream and tell me I’m a sellout etc etc, when they just plain haters. At least Mbeki was a leader, whether he was sacked at the end or not at least he grew a pair of cojenas. Pity can’t say the same about “Mr Uya ngibambezela”

Benny 7/3/2009 3:59:02 PM
Mbeki is still very relevant to the needs and problems of this beautiful nation of ours and Africa at large. With the kind of money I believe he should write more books to share his knowledge with the rest of us. Big up on the award.

Poloyatonki @ Sinudeity 7/3/2009 3:59:22 PM
Arms deal was a mystery you cant keep on jumping up and down about that man please…

FLOYD 7/3/2009 4:00:16 PM
I THINK THE REASON WHY PRESIDENT MBEKI IS NOT GIVEN CREDIT FOR THE GOOD WORK , IS THAT SWOME OF HIS SO CALLED COMRADES ARE HAVING PERSONAL VENDETTAS AND PERSONAL JEALOLSIES .I THINK HE WAS AGREAT STATEMAN AND ONE IOF THE BEST AFRICAN PRESIDENTS SINCE NKURHUMA,NYERERE,LEOPOLD SENGOR AND THOMAS SANKARA .WE HAD THE BEST THAT WE COULD EVERHAVE.I SALUTE YOU MR PRESIDENT YOU ARE STILL GREAT NO MATTER WHO SAYS WHAT SALUTE.

Papa 7/3/2009 4:00:33 PM
Matlala, stop your lies about BRT & Zuma. Zuma did not promise them ownership, he promised them a role and a stake in the BRT. If you are as informed as you would like us to believe, Minister of Transport Ndebele has announced that the government want to go further and facilitate for the Taxi industry to have a stake in the whole transport value chain, if and when this happens, it will be the biggest BBEE deal ever. A deal that will benefit so many people and as broad as your chicken brain can imagine. Matlala my poor minded brother, stop hallucinating and lookout for the facts. The truth shall set you free!

Andy 7/3/2009 4:00:51 PM
Lets see... he messed up the health sector, denied HIV causes Aids (which directly killed 10000's of people), did not believe that we have a crime problem, fired anyone that disagreed with him etc. Current goverment is already doing more that in his entire rein. Oh, and dont forget about the still ongoing Zim fiasco. Seriously, did you think this article through?

Veza 7/3/2009 4:01:35 PM
Could it be true that Mbeki is and will always be regarded as thee leader that we have ever been blessed with by the most educated people and that the Zuma supportes are less educated and or wants to grab as much wealth as possible from the current naive leadership?

Just possing a question??????

Maverick 7/3/2009 4:02:49 PM
The mess SA is in now, ruined education system, ruined health system, useless police ruined infrastructure, SAA, SABC, ESCOM, ect are all the legacy of Thabo Mbeki. He was in charge after Nelson Mandela and he is responsible for the degradation and corruption that we are now sitting with. He knew about the corruption that was going on and did nothing about it. He was absorbed in his selfish, pie in the sky Africa renaissence. He had only selfinterset at heart and let his own people be ruined by crime, poverty and desease.

Sinudeity @Papa 7/3/2009 4:03:59 PM
Last time I checked, ANC and IFP guys are still killing each other in KwazuluNatal.

Veryconcern 7/3/2009 4:06:08 PM
Be4 you talk bad about a leader, 1st list all the good & the bad he did.If the bad outweighs the good then the person was terrible,if nt.With TM I tried to compare what the media says about him,I only find very few promblems about him ( aids & being a denialist)still thats not enough.To all those who are passionate in hating TM. it was/should not be personal but facts.I understand why white SA hate him, TM brought transformation in SA, that was not easy for my fellow whites but it had to be done.From 2day when talking about TM don't put emotions,just facts. if he falls shot on that then hes not worth our/your (SA) respect.But his legacy will live on.. ASK THE LUTHULI HOUSE.. THE'LL TELL YOU, WHILE INSULTING..hahahah

Frank II 7/3/2009 4:09:34 PM
Weren't the Commandos dissolved without having a replacement policing force ready? Didn't xenophobic attacks lead to the death of a large number of foreigners? What happened to securing our borders? Or is it normal that 4000 Zimbabweans slip into our country every day? Didn't TM hold hand's with Africa's current despot Robert Mugabe? Sorry, I see no reason why this failed leader deserve a prize of any sorts.

Sinudeity @FLOYD 7/3/2009 4:11:36 PM
Yelling it in uppercase, doesnt make it true. The ONLY honorable African statesmen ever, Mr Mandela and Mr Mogae. The rest of them are all criminals who will trample over their countrymen, for a few bucks.

max 7/3/2009 4:16:23 PM
Boring article..........next

zolani sixolo 7/3/2009 4:32:03 PM
Former President Thabo Mbeki has played and is still Playing an Important Role in South Africa, and Africa as a Whole.I am not privy to all the happenings at Luthuli House, but as an ordinary Citizen of this Country, I`ll always have respect and honour Mr. Mbeki. for his contribution to the people of this country and the continent as a whole.

Papa 7/3/2009 4:38:53 PM
Pal, you are obviously from Mars! Neither Mbeki nor Mandela attracted so much foreign investment as you allege. Much as you hate Vavi, investors care less whether there is Mbeki at the helm or Zuma. What they look at is the investor friendly environment created by all South Africans as led by government. So far there are good signs that this will happen if you, Juan, Monareng and me work together to make South Africa a good investor destination rather than a bickering pot of crazyheads that we have become. We must outgrow the Mbeki era, stop being transfixed in the Zuma era and chart the way forward to the future for the sake of our children and generations that will come thereafter. This will happen when Juan starts refering to all South Africans as HIS people and not YOUR people refering to Africans, Juan will have to choose whether he is an African or not. Juan, the ball is in your court! Pal, grow up!

Kickass 7/3/2009 4:46:43 PM
Sorry guys... i disagree...he spent more time in planes than in his own country...that is why he was kicked out by the "Polokwana Gang"

mpokozo 7/3/2009 4:47:06 PM
I can't agree with you more Monareng. It's a pity that many people do not appreciate this man's contribution in this country. What I admire about him is that when he was dep prez he was the one governing and stabilising the country when Mandela was busy gasllivanting and promoting peace around the world. Any sane person will tell you that Mandela never dealt with the nitty-gritties of governace, that tells you that Mbeki was leading government for almost 15 years. No African leader deserves this award more than Mbeki. Mbeki's only sin was his refusal to be a populist.

SouthAfrican 7/3/2009 4:48:21 PM
Former Pres Mbeki did what he could. He had his failures just like the ones before him. What happened to RDP? Remember the performance of our economy towards year 2000 (and the Rand)? There are positives (which the ANC leadership claims) and negatives (which are blamed on Mbeki), all during his term in office. Let's just sit, watch and enjoy Dr Zuma's show. Only time will tell

Kiskass 7/3/2009 4:48:56 PM
...dont get me wrong...i am more for Mbeki than for "Showerman"

dumi 7/3/2009 4:49:51 PM
His contribution cannot be denied,He brought respect to South Africa and africa,He was the man behind NEPAD,African Peer Group Review,African renaissance,he was worldwise and was passionate about this continent.I think being recalled by the ungrateful anc was a blessing in disguise as he is no longer stifled by party politics.The current anc leadership is joke,they felt threaten by him.President Mbeki,your good deeds are loud clear and appreciated by all except the clowns at Luthuli house.You will be remembered as the most succesful president of Mzansi

jackey 7/3/2009 4:57:59 PM
To all Zuma supporters, please tell me what your dearest president has done since he took over?Lets see..Strikes,Strikes & even more strikes,Denying foreing investment with the help of his cronies (vodacom deal),and having lunch with taxi drivers...What about the promises he made.5 month to go b4 year end where are the @least the half of the 500000 jobs he promised ???

Tayoor 7/3/2009 5:21:43 PM
I cannot agree more to your suggestion that Mbeki should be considered for the prestige award.HE IS THE BEST PRESIDENT AFRICA, not even SA, EVER HAD IN THE RECENT TIMES.I believe that he has the capacity to lead Africa if anything like US of Africa exist. Nobody can ever be deem to have a monopoly of knowledge, but this man is endowed with abundance of wisdom.He is without any iota of doubt the governor of the governed. Some of us will one day continue where he has left.He is an advocate of the poor and peoples servant. I humbly request the news24 team to urge Mr Mbeki to start a part-time lecturing in any varsity, as was rumoured and i will be among the millions to enroll.

Ed 7/3/2009 5:29:33 PM
I am convinced that Mbeki's biography which sells in Exclusive Books, "A Dream Deferred" perfectly epitomises his whole stay in office. Mbeki's so-called "quiet diplomacy" towards Zimbabwe and his alleged "Aids denialism" policies have been pervasive in every other sphere of governance, except Finance, in which the honorable Trevor Manual deserves all the praise and accolades. Mbeki was responsible for the appearance and full acceptance of rampant crime, disappearance of the justice system, aiding of the "Let the whingers depart" philosophy, whereby he tacitly forced / encouraged the vitally-needed middle class of this country to (want to) emigrate, virtually destroyed the public health service, has overseen the plummeting of school education standards, watched as the country's roads of SA became over-crowded, potholed, road-raged and life-threatening. I could carry on for 1,000 pages. Finally, I think though, that Mbeki's saddest legacy has been, that during the past decade of economic affluence across the country and the world, that his limited Affirmative Action benefits have not been broad based and directed at genuinely poor communities' levels. Massive benefits have accrued to an elite few, often / mostly obtained fraudulently, thus excluding the millions of genuinely disadvantaged. The fact that skilled Blacks from Zambia, Zimbabwe, Congo, etc, ad nausium, and this so in their millions, take higher pecking orders in commerce and governmental BEE than the SA rural South African Black bottom feeders is an outright iniquity. Now, Mbeki's deferred growth and development past record for poor SA Blacks has planted / virtually secured a legacy for them inasmuch as for decades to come, if not for longer, the deferred dream may do just that; perpetuate a foundation for the great delay in producing a significantly large and stable middle class, just as with Mugabe and Zimbabwe. This is to be weeped for/ wept over. Our new government must pick up the aspirations of disallusioned masses with currently huge budget deficits, brought about with the onset of the global recession. At municipal levels, hundreds of thousands of promised houses have not been delivered, electricity has become scarce and punitively expensive, and our water is a hazard to drink and a threat to healthy water sports over most of our beloved country. Most truly, Mbeki has removed us and our dreams of the prospect of a 1st-world country, and given us a taste, nay!, a mouthful!, nay a stomachful!, of virtually the entire experience of living in a 3rd world country. That he cannot even apologise is exactly what is to be expected! History repeats its unlearnt lesson that man with his downward-biased nature is not to be trusted; hence the need for balanced democracies. As we move forward, let us ensure that our foundation of hope and trust is anchored in God before we venture to access the needed help of fellow humans at horizontal levels. Let he/her who does not learn this lesson from the encyclopedias of history this time do so at their own risk and, thereafter, forever hold their peace. They can do this at their leisure as they view life from within the burglar bars of their secure houses / forts / prisons. They have been warned.
Revelation Chapter 3 Verse 20: "Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me." NIV Version. Revelation chapter 3 Verse 20.

Joe 7/3/2009 5:45:10 PM
Are we talking about that idiot who said :-
There is no proof that Aids is caused by HIV
Aids is something that the colonialists bought to Africa,Etc..What a bloody fool.

wayne 7/3/2009 6:09:34 PM
mbeki was the president of south africa.fact!but who is the president now?what in Gods name is a planning commission?i thought that was the cabinets duty.to plan!!!and why somany more ministers?so that the new presidom can think less?or maybe he cant.thats why.any great leader has a good and bad side.but 1 does wonder wheres Zumas goodside?

dust 7/3/2009 6:59:52 PM
its scary how someone can write a sensible article and get called a coconut because of it. why can't you have an opinion in this country?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy

Nick 7/3/2009 7:03:10 PM
Mbeki was unfortunately a failure as president. He will never be able to fill Mogae's shoes.

Joe 7/3/2009 8:27:44 PM
Mbeki??? This is a joke, right?? Are we talking about the same guy here? Mbeki, the uber-racist whose legacy is one of failure? Mbeki did NOT rule SA good! All he did was broaden the divide not just between black and white, but more importantly between rich and poor! Mbeki should get nothing but shame. That is all he deserves.

realist 7/3/2009 8:33:54 PM
How much were you paid to write this nonsense?

Jorene 7/3/2009 8:44:31 PM
I agree with Floyd. To me he was one of the best Presidents South Africa has had. The new ANC government still needs him. He did not bow down to Cosatu/SACP and that is why they falsify his name. Mr Thabo Mbeki, I miss your speeches and intelligence in Government, you spoke from the heart and not from pieces of paper written by someone else.

simon 7/3/2009 9:03:05 PM
The neasure is the output, what was achieved. It matters zilch what was put in, or what dedication was displayed. Talk is cheap.
By this measure: Zim 0, Aids 0, Crime 0, Polarisation 10 out of 10. You want to give this a prize ????

Habib 7/3/2009 9:10:50 PM
We all know his Cv. I would not employ him in my company, never mind my country. JZ has done more in his short term than Thabo in his 9yr (attempted 3rd term) period. Do you have low expectations or are you just dimwitted?

Paul Grant 7/4/2009 1:01:35 AM
Are you all on drugs, it is Mbekis regime who created and supported the corruption that is only surfacing now, ESKOM, SABC, SASOL etc. Take a step back in time and you will just see how his regime enforced the comrade buddy system. There was also absolutely no transparency within his governement. His governement turned the success line on the graph from a horizontal one to a vertical one, down and not up. To date JZ has not given us any indication of any attempted wrongdoing, I am not saying it will not come, it is inevitable that corruption/nepotism WILL set in it is just how soon and how soon it will be uncovered. Mbeki managed to keep things like this covered, perhaps because of his intelligence. JZ however is not blessed with the abundance of grey matter, therefore I predict he will soon be caught out.

Give the money to ET, ha, ha, ha, ha

Sinudeity @Poloyatonki 7/4/2009 7:49:03 AM
The armsdeal only remains a mystery, because people like you, choose to avoid the truth, and the ANC chooses to keep the truth hidden.

Pieter 7/4/2009 8:37:33 AM
Mbeki scandalized his own legacy - no external forces are responsible for this racist, denialist and blindly capitalist apologist for bad governance elsewhere. Good riddance to bad rubbish. Mbeki is the victim of his own bloated ego.

Mbuyiseli 7/4/2009 10:00:08 AM
Mbeki was even a better president than Mandela, but Madiba was a ten times better leader. Mandela kept his peace with Buthelezi, De Klerk etc etc. Whereas Mbeki created a rift between his foes and himself and never had a compromise that’s why people hated him with a passion. Mandela was father figure and paid for Yengeni whoas and Zuma’s bills at some stage. Did Zuma become a better man after that, hell NO. Mandela swept the ANC’s dirt under the carpet. ANC is and was corrupt but think about it in Mbeki’s era people went to jail for them and now Zuma has got a chance to hire his friends to protect his own behind and his pals, disbanded the scorpions in the process. In hindsight Mbeki was a good leader. I remember having a debate with one of my white colleagues, telling her that they thought when Mandela took over this country was gonna end up in the gutter, and she agreed with me. Same here, Mbeki won’t get his credit until the end on Zuma’s ten terms, until all his buddies have filled their pockets. Hurry up I’m bored

JayCee 7/4/2009 10:03:04 AM
I have to agree with Andy here, and if you think about it for just a few seconds you'd realise that Mbeki was in fact the worst thing that's ever happened to the new South Africa.

renette 7/4/2009 10:19:34 AM
Do yourself a favour and read RW Johnson's book, South Africa's Brave New World -the beloved country after the end of apartheid, then deliver an informed opinion.

Jan Jacobs, Bellville 7/4/2009 10:50:32 AM
All arguments aside, Mbeki was the dei facto president for three terms in South Africa, but also excelled as leader in Africa and beyond... As the first president of the African Union, he took the continent into a new dispensation to democratise one party states and force all countries to include opposition parties into their delegates to the Pan African Parliament. Also women. To some countries this was a first. All of a sudden oppositions had a platform at this level and women were elevated from the back yard to the highest offices. Remember: Mbeki appointed the first female deputy president South Africa had and upped on the number of female members in his cabinet. The peace efforts and talks in areas like the Big Lakes and Sudan or the Ivory Coast, overshadow all that can be thrown as mud to demonise his legacy. His efforts at economic level to restore dignity to Africa, surpasses all of the minor complaints against him. Thabo is a giant amongst men. I say: Viva, Thabo Mbeki, VIVA!!!

1eye 7/4/2009 11:20:33 AM
Folk in Politics nice guys come last.Its a dirty business particulary in Africa at the end of the day the "rabble" voted. Thats why I am all for a qualified vote. No eduction 1 vote Matric 10 votes, Degree 20 etc.
It will get the ANC off its arse to start giving our people a proper education

ANon 7/4/2009 11:42:53 AM
Lets get real. He was just another bad president in a long line of bad presidents both pre and post 1994 ( with exclusion of madiba)

onke 7/4/2009 11:48:50 AM
How can all these ppl blame 1 man for all this ,it's just irrational .How would they have dealt with Zimbabwe ? are we now the law inforcement agency for african countries ? If zimbabeans voted for him they must deal with him period .About AIDS ,i want to know if we have limited resources and there's a dying aids patient who needs arv's and a tb patient who can be cured you bet your a** the tb guy gets the treatment it's a simple as that.

And the fact that there were corrupt elements in the government was not Mbeki's doing same as it is not Zuma's doing this time arround, hell Zuma himself is corrupt !!!

Yebo 7/4/2009 12:37:18 PM
Well said Mphatjie TM is a great leader.When my Anc was campaining during elections they were bragging about the good things they have done for the past 15yrs, most of those was when TM was a president.In 2004 we won by two thirds majority we swept all 9provinces.What happened during recent elections?Please play the ball not a man

rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr 7/4/2009 12:52:09 PM
hey people also Zuma he say aids is secure after sex and wash this is true or false?

Martin 7/4/2009 1:30:17 PM
I cannot agree.

Michelle 7/4/2009 3:07:09 PM
Mbeki was and is a joke. He has no success story to show for his time in power. It would be an embarassment for him to be acknowledged for anything good.It was bad enough for him to ignore the xenophobic attacks and go on about the farce that is quiet diplomacy, but he also showed no regard for his own people with the whole HIV, ARV, veggie fiasco. The last time I checked, the black people in this country are still living in poverty and the land still belongs to the white people. So unless you are as idiotic as he is, i would find something else to write about.

Craig 7/4/2009 5:07:35 PM
We are still to get a leader in South africa some one people respect,we have not had one yet,Mbeki had a few wins most of what he allowed to happen is coming to light now just look around,the poor have gone nowhere and the most of SA infastructure is on the brink of collapse what a legacy to leave,I feel for Zuma as he has no chance of correcting the downward spiral,rather give the cash to BOB at least his honest about his intentions,amandla,

HC 7/4/2009 5:36:28 PM
Mbeki? Mbeki who? He was worth nothing! Everytime he was faced with a domestic crisis, he fled overseas. Worth nothing at all. Big racist and elitist. Now this is what we call an Oxygen thief. Good riddance, I would say. Just a pity that the ratepayers are still responsible for this . ......this......this ...!

TC 7/4/2009 6:01:10 PM
Totally disagree. History is showing him more-and-more as the rasist he was. He polarised this country to the core and destroyed Mandela's vision. We are only starting to realisehow much damage he has done... (HIV-AIDS, Mugabe, Eskom, etc, etc)! So cut the nonsense!

irrelevant 7/4/2009 6:39:49 PM
I agree 100% with the above written article

Real leadership 7/4/2009 10:57:38 PM
Putting aside political affiliations Mbeki failed the country -and the region, and Africa-as a leader on ALL the issues already mentioned. Just because we are in Africa is no reason to make excuses for failure. This does not allow for improvement in the future. Mbeki's biggest failure was distancing government from the people on the ground which he did systematically from the time he became Deputy President. Anyone remember SA Communication Services in the office of the Deputy President? Instead of standing on the shoulders of giants ie Mandela, Tambo, Sisulu and many others, Mbeki chose to remain little, lost in his own intellectual pipe-smoking cloud.

Gcogco 7/5/2009 1:41:49 AM
Thank you,Mphatjie.Hate him or like him but he was of course a clever,smart & educated leader and there's nothing wrong with his being Xhosa ,calling him tribalist because of that is crap.All presidents will have positivites as well as negatives during their time in office but we don't have to be biased in choosing to paint him black.Maybe Tat'uMandela having a good break during TM's presidency because he trusted his intelligence.TM takes it all in like a true gentleman he is,the ridicule,conniving,backstabbing and all,you never saw him crowdpleasing like an imbecile,no.He left a good legacy and I'll always be proud SA has had him as one of the great leaders.Big it up for TM for the $5 mil.prize,period.

Thabo Matwabeng 7/5/2009 8:56:21 AM
This whole debate is all bollocks. For 14 years every time somehting went wrong there was an excuse: it is either Apartheid, or the media reporting it incorrectly, or political agendas, or racists or coconuts. The irony is that the same critics who were labelled racist and coconuts for criticising Mbeki are now called racists and coconuts for criticising Zuma. That is becaue the ANC uses ad homium arguements to divert attention away from the real issues. An ad hominum arguement attacks the person instead of defending the point. Mbeki is now the scapegoat for the ANCs failures when the truth is that the ANC has not idea of how to get things working. Home Affairs, Correctional Services, Crime, Corruption in Tender processes, Road Accident Fund, ESKOM, SAA and the list goes on. I wonder what excuse will be used come the next elections. Aliens? A white supremacist conspiracy? Wake up, people. Blind loyalty just allows politicians to get away with doing nothing and enriching themselves. Our parents suffered for freedom, now the politicians are taking it for themselves and leaving the rest behind. Two independent reports have shown that our healthcare outcomes can be achieved with the current budget if the incompetence and corruption in the Health Department is removed. Now they want the NHI? Why spend more money when funding is not the problem?

Greg 7/5/2009 12:22:25 PM
More money will now have to be spent to rectify the failed policies of the Mbeki era. He should be forgotten as a bad dream. The new administration has done more to correct these problems in their short time than his administration ever did in ten years.

Jim 7/5/2009 1:36:40 PM
The so-called 'prize' of 5 million by the Mo Foundation is NOT there to repay African leaders who 'served' their people....it was created SOLELY to 'encourage' African dictators to give up power voluntarily after their 'terms' in office have expired. I.e. it's like giving a crook money to end his crooked career. Presidents in CIVILIZED countries don't need to be BRIBED in order to leave after their terms of office!

layton 7/5/2009 2:05:03 PM
Mbeki THE LAME DUCK is how everyone I know will remmember him. Spent more time in his SAF 600million hotel jet than at home.

Maburangka 7/5/2009 4:34:12 PM
Every man has his faults, and so is Mbeki. However, Mbeki seems to have drink a whole lot of power and fail to see small things that means a lot to the nation.He was going to be really good to work along side the genuis such as Obama.
Zuma is still a big question mark, and soon we will know his leadership style.

Themba 7/5/2009 5:20:08 PM
As an ANC member i cant just stand by as people attact my leaders. As far as i know Mbeki is still a member and i wouldnt stand in his of recieving the award, but people must not paint him as a flawless hero. There is no such. Mbeki is flawed just like any other leader in SA e.g Hellen Zille's oppestion over Zuma.

Simon 7/5/2009 11:10:30 PM
Hi Mr. Monareng,
I do believe that Mr. Mbeki was an honourable man, and he dd amazing things for this country of ours. But I will not easily forget the AIDS deaths that lie on his doorstep due to his denial of scientific truth. He should not get that award.

But he should be praised in many quarters.

poklip 7/6/2009 3:55:22 AM
His incompetance was incredible. He was a failure as president.

Vin 7/6/2009 7:17:56 AM
If only most of the people that post their media-derived opinions were more objective and had their own views we would be having enlightened and building conversations... This may be a revelation for most of you factionist but this beautiful country we call ours does not need most of poisonous thinking expressed in these comments. Do yourself a favour and study more... stop reading the tabloids and get enlightened...

Elvira 7/6/2009 7:53:43 AM
This then is how bad leaders get to rule their countries for 37 years! You think I am joking? Check out Cameroon. They have supporters like our misguided mbongi.If Mbeki wins this award I will despair and call the Sudani-born Mo Ibrahim a sell-out.

LUMKA 7/6/2009 8:02:05 AM
Mr.Bheki's legacy will always be remembered and kept by us who have learned from his leadership and drawn knowledge from his intellectual capabilities

VTS 7/6/2009 8:09:40 AM
ur rite my man,mbeki reminds a true leader to most of us,he wanted to make africa centre of the world economic,pple say he was always out of the country,bt they dont look at the resoans y,he wanted africans to have they own solutions to african problem,he neva gavi cosatu and sacp a chance to bring this country down as they are trying to do now,nationalising mines this sound crazy,we will end up nationalizing everything in this country,mantashe is the only good leadre who is left in the ANC,HE IS FIGHTING THE BATTLE ALONE.

Michael Anderson 7/6/2009 8:24:29 AM
What a wonderfully written article from the Mbeki Fan club. The problem is, if I dedicate myself to anything good, and then go rape a woman like Mbeki raped this country, do I deserve credit, or should I be locked up? Good deeds are great, but plain stupidity, ignorance and core ineptitude will wipe out any good - PARTICULARLY if you've been put in charge of an entire country. Mbeki, in spite of all his good (and there was a lot) is still, and always be, an idiot who pulled this country into the joke that it has become.

Sinudeity 7/6/2009 8:27:23 AM
The whole power-hungry recall of a corrupt Mbeki, in favour of a corrupt JZ, was a typical ANC move. "Infighting", not about a proper leader for South Africa, but who would facilitate corruption the best. Disband the Scorpions, to save CORRUPT ANC OFFICIALS ASSES. Disbanded the Child Protection Unit (which, they want brought back now). Moving from incompetence to incompetence, and we, South Africans, are the ones paying for the ANC blunders. Going to enjoy the day, when South Africans wake up, and chase these corrupt scumbags out of the country.

Eles 7/6/2009 8:58:34 AM
I disagree all I can admire is his dignity and the way he stood up to the unions (consider in many cases who is running these unions and then again consider if we should allow these people to hold the country ransom like they do - very little intelligence and long term vision of repurcussions etc)I do not think he is deserving of any prize in fact apart from Botswana and maybe Namibia I think one would be hard put to find candidates for this award from Africa. Looking at the current state of affairs I feel African leaders have really let their side down. Before I get harassed by people stating that they now have access and freedom - sure you do but the ANC is not solely responsible for that we had a referendum to decide that,many South Africans worked towards that goal and there was western influence (ah yes the west whom is blamed for everything but handouts are taken as it suits) plus I will even argue that no other party could have been less incompetent in roll out of such services. The current state of departments and government institutions is a shocking mess the worst is probably the municipal level because of the ANC habit of appointing people into positions which they are not qualified for - they have not yet learned their lesson, allowed the education system to slip where they are not supporting the people that voted for them at all let alone everyone else! I am not impressed by the ANC party at all - they are killing their golden geese whilst enriching themselves. Nothing to respect at all! And they still engage with the taxi bosses - African people will never experience true democracy until they 1) realise that the ruling party must govern not rule they are actually expected to be accountable and do their work correctly and 2) no handouts there are so many lazy people demanding housing very disappointing they should rather be protesting at the crappy education situation so that kids in school get proper education and adults can study - buy yourself your own homes - no one ever bought us homes! We need people who are willing to put the country first not themselves the only one who fits the bill is Desmond Tutu! By the way can someone tell me if I am still expected to pay my tv license when 1) I certainly don't watch any local produced drivel and 2) SABC is in such a financial mess - how can I be forced to pay for it?

mabuti 7/6/2009 9:20:28 AM
he was the man ahead of his time ,bigger than his circle,a vissionary and at some as stage bigger than the anc itself and the world

Dinilesizwe 7/6/2009 9:39:40 AM
Well said .Mbeki is the greatest ever son to be produced by this soil .A lot of imbeciles are itching with the mention of his name .Whilst the imbeciles attack the son of the soil , many still want his skills in turning around the economic situation that we find ourselves in .The lunatics never dared to waste government time raising foolish debates about nationalisation of mines , attacking the reserve bank bank etc .They knew that someone was in charge and he meant business .Mbeki is great , hating him wont erase that .In a years time , more amd more would agree that Mbeki was just great.

Sinudeity @mabuti 7/6/2009 9:47:27 AM
His ego, and head, yeah.

piet 7/6/2009 10:07:23 AM
its a fact thabo mbeki was a good president not only for south africa but africa as a whole.he resolved desputes in DRC ,Sudan and other african countries.i see peoples comments that he's queit deplomacy on zim was bad,but what did bush and blair archieve with interference(nothing).

TSHOLOFELO 7/6/2009 10:12:04 AM
like it or not Mbeki provided anc with leadership which anc is unfortunately lacking now.about hiv the man himself has said anyone with prove that he said hiv does not cause aids must come out and provide that prove.he deserves the prize.

Dayton 7/6/2009 10:31:44 AM
@Dinilesizwe you fool, what son of the soil was he?? he hardly spent most of his first 50years here and then when he was president was always traveling, you sure are uninformed, you and your kind!!

SM 7/6/2009 10:34:58 AM
@the pro AND anti Mbeki: How much was the strings pulled from Lethuli house during Mbeki's term and how much is it being done now. At the end of the day both Mbeki and zuma is anc. When I last looked SA is governed by the GOVERNMENT and not by a single person. Lets compare the achievements after say 4 years, just before the next election and decide how well the ANC has done (read delivered) for the poor of SA.

Odd 7/6/2009 10:38:24 AM
Some comments are so stupid they make one loose hope!

VG 7/6/2009 10:42:08 AM
ulitmately presidents are judged on how well they responded to, or reflected the hopes, aspirations & values of their people. Madiba made me proud to be SAfrican. Mbeki, IMO embarrassed me and the country more often than he made me proud. His failures were more pronounced and will have longer-lasting implications than his successes. And frankly the arrogance of the man is astoundign - how can you plan to establish a leadership academy when your own party took the first opportunity they got to boot you out?

lucas makhae 7/6/2009 10:50:04 AM
Mr Thabo mbeki is still a member of the ANC and remain one of the outstanding leader in our country both politically and in terms of governace issues, what is disturbing is that some continues to create a preception that the ANC recalled TM for no apparent reasons or the ANC in the first place deployed TM for no reasons a belive which if not so well understood will without a doubt,continue to create tentions among's us as SOUTH AFRICAN which is not necessary for the follwing reasons first, is that cde thabo was deployed by the ANC and he knew like the rest of us that only the ANC can recall him that is why he did not even challenged the decision of the NEC, and i still believe that as and when the ANC would want to deploy him it will deploy him as cader of our movement, because i do not think that our glorious movement is against him ,what it did,was done with a clear understanding that as an when an intervention is needed the ANC as the center of power will always have a responsibility to act, as for the award to MR MBEKI i do no see any fuss for him not to recieve it because always different people and institution will want to honour our fomer and current leaders with differnt award which i do not see any problem about that, beacause despite their difficulties, mistakes and challenges during their leadership time, they deserve to be honourd and respectd by all of us.

Wiseman 7/6/2009 10:57:25 AM
He did well on some areas and bad on others. Even those who are coming after him will have their own good and bad, no one is perfect guys but I believe he should get the award.

SM 7/6/2009 11:08:14 AM
@vg. There is a old saying of a mother that told her child; 'I brought you inton this world and I can take you out'. The anc put Mbeki in 'charge' and they took him out. The people put the anc in 'charge' and they CAN take them out. Look at the organisation and not the pawns they push forward.

Bonny 7/6/2009 11:33:14 AM
Umm..tough call really. Mbeki was more presentable than Showerhead. He was also more devious. Showerhead is not smart enough to be devious. However I would take Mbeki over Showerhead ...although, truth to be told.. I would choose my dog over Showerhead to run the country....

Melo 7/6/2009 1:15:58 PM
Hey Anon, Mbeki's wife is a Zulu not Xhosa as you strongly suggest that he is a tribalist and was one of the best leaders that we have ever had in Africa.

Anon 7/6/2009 4:49:25 PM
@Melo: I dont remember asking anyone to comment on "my" views. Who told you that I did not know that Zanele is Zulu? Well if Thabo was one of the best leaders that you have ever had, if reflects the lack of leadership quality that Africa has. I dont give a rat's ass if he married a Zulu, those 2 losers deserves each other, they should just start making a family while they are at it. There I said it, NOW Sue me, Building a wall and naming it UBUNTU, thats the most insane thing I have ever heard. He should have given the name Ubuntu to you, you could really do with a name that reflects your past, present & future. Next time comment on the article, not people's views idiot

ushaber 7/6/2009 5:29:58 PM
What a lot of bullshit you guys - pro/anti Mbeki have been crapping out. What the hell is going on in South Africa? Remember the words of the great Nelson Mandela to the young Verwoerd when he apologised for the wrongs done by his people to Madiba. Mandela's reply was "Lets look forward". These are wise words. I take it you guys are young people and from the tone of your letters you are very frustrated. Why? Because you think you can sit on your bloody arses and critize and things will change. It will not. How about getting active in the political scene and stop moaning. Changes will not fall like manna from heaven nor from a christmas tree. Move your fat arses and stop moaning. Get on with the job. Thabo had his hour and unfortunately he misused it. On the other hand don't forget his contributions. I should know. He was my section leader in exile.

Thabiso 7/6/2009 5:42:33 PM
you wrote a good piece

lovers 7/6/2009 5:57:41 PM
I Mr Thabo Mbeki i still one of the greatest leaders the world could offer,instead of throwing him away like a piese of meat we could be smart & offer him something a position in the govermant, something wre he could talk out his opinions and the MP's would decide on what he's saying... what im saying hre is let's use Mr Mbeki as our tool

Joe 7/7/2009 10:23:56 AM
Objective people should not waste their time by trying to coovince poeple that have been indoctrinated with hatred for Thabo Mbeki. The guy has done a lot of good than bad for South Africa and the Continent , no one is perfect and he has had his own mistakes like all other African heads of state and European heads of state . Mbeki committed as Grave crime by standing up against the lazy and corrupt comrades and they will Never forgive him for that .Deny it but That Is A Fact , he did not tolerate lazy comrades and when he started cracking the whip , forces of darkness within the movement held secret meetings to bring him down . Those who have no clue about economics hated him even more , if what he stood for wasn`t good why haven`t we seen any significant policy changes after he left office . His open eyed approach to the motives of the West earned him enemies in the likes of Sexwale, Ramaphosa , phosa , the list is endless. He denounced the three`s acceptance of Oppenheimer lucrative co-option methods and even openely told them he could noy believe they are accepting from the people that looted South African wealth for decades .
Now that Thabo is gone these guys are back except Ramaphosa who must be waiting for the right moment to return as well. Put Thabo Mbeki rating on a National referundum and see what South Africans think of him and not subject him to Msholozi and Corruption fever.

RUMPLE FUMPLE 7/7/2009 2:19:38 PM
Comrades a planning commision - read up on communist goverments -all have some sort of planning comitee,why should SA not,Mbeki when sober might have made some leeway,otherwise surrounded himseld with cronies and has put the country in a state of disrepair,

Michael Bowery 7/8/2009 11:50:37 AM
Thabo who?

riyaaz 7/8/2009 8:54:57 PM
if mbeki s legacy was to remain untainted in a manner of speaking,he should only have served one term.he believed in democratic centralism.need i say more

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