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Roy Greig

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'A painful experience'

by Roy Greig
2009-11-06 13:05

The letter from Bushy van Eck on time wasting at the bank opened an old wound for me. Many years ago I was working in Johannesburg city centre. I bought a car privately and took it home to Randburg.

Went to work the next day thinking about popping down to the traffic office in Loveday street to get a temporary permit to move the car to a place of repair, to get a new engine fitted. Never having undertaken such a mission before, I set out full of enthusiasm.

"No sir you need to register the vehicle before a temporary permit can be issued."

"OK so this whole thing is all computerised let's do it now."

"No, you live in Randburg and the vehicle must be registered in the town in which you live."

"But it's all computerised, surely..."

"No, you have to go to Randburg."

So off to Randburg.

"Would like to register this car and get a temporary permit, please."

"OK, hmmm, hmmm, sorry you need a GST certificate (for R4) before registration can be completed."

"Where can I pay that?"

"At the receiver of revenue in Johannesburg."

Blood pressure on the ascent now, big time. Go back to Johannesburg to the ROR, lunchtime, and wait for thirty minutes, doors open and in we go.

"I need a GST certificate, please."

"OK, fill in this form."

Crash away for 10 minutes wondering what all this information is for, it's R4 for crying out loud. Go back and hand in the form.

"That will be R4."

Go for my wallet, hand over the loot, and...

"Sorry we don't take cash after lunch."

OK, so out comes the cheque book.

"There is a 14 day delay for clearance of the cheque and then you can collect the GST certificate."

Off we go, back to Randburg, have a bit of sleep and back to Johannesburg the next day. Go pay the GST, go back to Randburg, do the stuff, get my permit, "valid for three days", take the car to the place of repair only to be informed the repair will take ten days and so will need to get another permit to take it for roadworthy. Sigh.

Everything is done, and head off to the Randburg testing station. Get the long wait.

"Sorry, you need a weighbridge certificate before the roadworthy inspection can be done."

"OK so where is the weighbridge?"

"At the Johannesburg testing station in Langlaagte on the west of Johannesburg."

Off we go back to Johannesburg, back to Randburg testing station, and back to the licencing office to get the licence disc (testing station and license office are about eight kilometres apart. Right then. All done.

That night the finger pointing president or "groot krokodill" came on TV and gave a speech about how we should all "improve productivity".

I broke stuff that night. That's where the wounds come from.

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Bongani 11/6/2009 1:19:20 PM
So incompetence is in the genes of all government employees, regardless of whether it was the Nuts, oops! the Nats or the ANC in power?

Now that is a refreshing thought given the indoctrination of some of folks that the colour black is inherently incompetent.

Gr8 lessons Greig!

LSA 11/6/2009 1:19:25 PM
Lol, eish ne, thats how it goes. Dont why they dont just tell you there and then where you need to go and what to do. They all have their own methods. Phoning them and asking what needs to be done is even worse.

Karate Kallie 11/6/2009 1:22:25 PM
Shuh! Things were just as bad in the old South Africa hey?

kolobe 11/6/2009 1:24:36 PM
be thankful you have Zuma.

fisher 11/6/2009 1:25:34 PM
whats your point? stupid article. News24 must be desperate.

Paul 11/6/2009 1:26:18 PM
incompetence is no laughing matter, but HA HA HA HA, from pillar to post and f-all gets done.

Zizo 11/6/2009 1:27:38 PM
LOL... is that a friday joke. I need a beer. To all beer lovers, the movement is recruiting..... join now.

KOBUS 11/6/2009 1:34:23 PM
Heheheh, lekker "Wikus van der Merwe" type old Afrikaans bureaucratic behaviour. Just goes to show!

Eles 11/6/2009 1:38:32 PM
I usually phone up front and confirm what is required - saves alot of time. PS my personal fave is queueing for a form - biggest waste of time!

@kolobe 11/6/2009 1:39:51 PM
*Yawn*

Nelly 11/6/2009 1:44:28 PM
Blah blah ba ba please NOT on a friday.Get over it.

Phindile to Kolobe 11/6/2009 1:45:23 PM
You mean the president who has to have a speech written for him before he can say anything?

@Bongani 11/6/2009 1:51:44 PM
He never mentioned the year the incident took place

classof2006@ZIZO 11/6/2009 1:55:29 PM
Now that is the Best Idea Ever, Im In Sandton Where can we meet for a cold one

Bongani to poster at 1:51:44PM 11/6/2009 2:01:00 PM
Yes he did not mention the year. Neither did I. But it was during PW Botha's era. Don't be ashamed now to admit that incompetence is endemic to public servants, regardless of colour. Greig has just given an eye witness account of that fact

SimonP 11/6/2009 2:01:27 PM
Heres your chance, please state why " be thankful you have Zuma"?

@Gonbarmy(Bongami) 11/6/2009 2:03:30 PM
You seem obsessed with calling white people racists when it is completely irrelevant to the letter. Are you a racist?

Baas Koos 11/6/2009 2:06:35 PM
@ Author Roy...... mmmmm... the telephone was also invented many many moons ago!!!

@ Bongani……..Incompetence is all over... The ANC, the new government and Juliaas Malema just mastered it!

Clintonv 11/6/2009 2:09:47 PM
Thats why the government jobs pay so much...Takes a special person to work there. Your IQ needs to be around 70 and you must have no people skills.
This issue with the Licensing department goes back to the 1st time i tried...in 1989 (License my 1st car)

Prez 11/6/2009 2:11:42 PM
I read that hoping it would get to a point, and I was let down. You defiantly have a job as a speech writer for the President!

@Roy 11/6/2009 2:14:42 PM
Roy! will you testify!!!!??

Bongani to Gornbarmy 11/6/2009 2:25:52 PM
Go have your head examined wena. You sound like someone who has lost his marbles. I have used the words Nats and ANC and incompetence. If that makes me a racist to you, suit yourself. But just go see a shrink or something

Bongani to Baas Koos 11/6/2009 2:27:49 PM
I agree Baas. Lest we forget though: it was just as all over during apartheid too. That is Greig said in his own words. So let us stop using colour only when it suits out egos.

Phindile to Gonbarmy and Bongani 11/6/2009 2:31:18 PM
I have just checked Bongani's post. He called Glock a racist. Is Glock "white people" to you or are you just crazy?

Answer this question: Are you racist?

Exlover 11/6/2009 2:37:06 PM
The only idiot here is Roy Creig. Ask for the information and you will never complain. What stoped you in going to the information centre and ask what will be need to register or do what ever you needed to do. Men will never learn, asking is not a sign of weakness, but saving time.

Jordan 11/6/2009 2:40:35 PM
Phone ahead...findout what you need and start planning your route...we do our business like we do our windowshopping..aimless and without thought...no wonder this country is going downhill.

Kick Ass 11/6/2009 2:53:59 PM
Roy why only complain now some donkey years later? Were you so scared of "die Groot Krokodil" and his security forces? I'm sure you were also scared of supporting the ECC and you ran straight to the army against your will. Coward

java 11/6/2009 2:58:44 PM
we are just a lazy and incompetent nation, now and before.

The Beginner 11/6/2009 3:25:11 PM
In those days they at least knew what was required. Today, the procedures are still cumbersome and the public disservants have no clue what to do. Why the heck do we as citizens not have better control over the public servants? We allow their incompetence. We are to blame actually.

@Phindle 11/6/2009 3:33:44 PM
Go over Bonganis pots for this week and you will see every day he calls various white people racists. By doing this it will prove the stated fact. Im guessing you wont do it as it will prove you wrong, how very ANC.

Fiona 11/6/2009 4:12:56 PM
Ja, Ja Ja. Have realised that an article can open a lot of issues which are not related to the published article.

Ja, Ja, Ja. Shango lo ima nga milenzhe. Suid Afrika

cj@ 11/6/2009 4:55:04 PM
How does an article about licencing a car degrade into a racist rant by some people? Can you not just take the article at face value and leave it there? It would be such a pleasure if the colour-obsessed would just bugger off. Fact is, the previous lot of public servants were just as bad as the present lot! That's government for you.

BlackCracker 11/6/2009 5:01:12 PM
Just another place ANC government (or should we say ANC!! got their grubby fingers in and screwed it up, as ALWAYS!) Another Nation Catastrophe.....no vision, no future...no viva.

Julius 11/6/2009 5:09:10 PM
This piece of junk is all fiction. During the days of the Groot Krokodil, there were no computers or internet connectivity. Remember the sanctions? Your selective memory bank has plonked out on you.

Stryder 11/6/2009 7:42:12 PM
Strue! Seriously though SARS and the the Randburg license office have got their act together. Only a pleasure to deal with them.

GT 11/6/2009 9:44:34 PM
and no body asked you for a bribe or hijacked you between stops - well done!

ivanr 11/7/2009 9:38:44 AM
Greg egg on your face,you did not know the procedure that was required.In the timeslot you are talking about a phone call or two would have saved you running around { phones where answered in those days} or have you forgotten? Greg if this incident bucks you, you have not become clever after all these years!!!!

ivanr 11/7/2009 9:53:45 AM
Roy Greig sorry i refered yo you as GREG

Roy Greig 11/7/2009 11:31:21 AM
To the brave "Kick Ass" Hi tough boy hiding behind a pretend tough boy name. Read the storey, it told upfront that this memory was called up because of another article. There is no complaint of any nature intended. A letter was sent to the Citizen at the time which was published under my real name, not a dorky AH pseudonym. As to your "brave" insult, see you at the OK corall.

Stephen 11/7/2009 1:24:41 PM
When I got to NZ a year ago, I bought a 2nd hand car privately. I went to the vehicle licensing dept expecting the worst, based on my knowledge of how long it takes in SA, and guess what, 30mins later I was outta there, with my new vehicle license all ready to go. AWESOME!!! Viva first world infrastructure!!!!

Bongani 11/7/2009 3:10:36 PM
MMMM - Internet 40 years old - (worldwide) (sa - Early 1990's) PW Botha was president when? - Till April 1989... So the computer story dont hold water it seems (the computers could'nt communicate with each other anyway (Doubt they can even today). Also seems like a too detailed description of what may have happened. The events and documentation can be remembered, even what PW said, however the writer starts with many years ago (Like a fairytale). My opinion, dear writer, you are writing nonsense...

@Bueracracy (the cornerstone of modern societies) 11/9/2009 2:47:42 AM
How you kill us with all the useless steps needed in completing anything at all. Why a person has to fill out so many forms is beyond me. Seeing though everything is computerized these days, surely should be necessary to fill out only one form and move on with our lives.

JJ 11/9/2009 6:50:28 AM
WTF!! What are you on about?? Are you now trying to hide TODAY'S nightmare of incompetence in SA or what?? PLEASE don't make it so obvious. Have you been to ANY Home Affairs the last umpteen years?? What I did notice is that at our's they revamp the place VERY NICELY, but that's where it stops, because you still get the munching, disinterested, vacant eyed, "I am doing you one hell of a favour by just talking to you attitude" IDIOT'S serving you.

simon 11/9/2009 8:16:54 AM
Number 1: In those days there was no Internet and little computer connectivity, so the job is much easier today.
Number 2: The number of employees (note: not workers) has grown enormously since then, negating the productivity gains of computerisation.
Sadly, despite technological advances, the situation today is worse and also more expensive, because of rampant administrative incompetence and corruption.

simon 11/9/2009 8:21:45 AM
@ Bongani 03:10. You think the internet is 40 years old? Arpanet was developed some 40 years ago, but it took a long while before the Internet as we know it became widely used. You must be a product of post-1994 mal-education.

Phindile to poster on 11/6/2009 3:33:44 PM 11/9/2009 9:08:25 AM
I have gone through all the posts. He only referred to Glock as a racist. Don't did not even dispute that label seemingly because he agrees.

If you have evidence to the contrary, please provide it.

Roy Greig 11/9/2009 10:01:02 AM
@ivanr, no problem, At least you know how to pronounce it. For the rest, the timing of the letter was about 1984, remember GST? It was at 4% at the time. The yellow registration plates of the Transvaal at the time were computerised. Whether or not they were linked to the various muncipalities I don't know, the banks were most certainly capable of the these links at this time.
@ bongani, try this, quoting Senator Owen Horwood, then minister of finance, "GST is purely a temporary measure and will never rise above 4%", this is verbatim from a radio broadcast and is correct, word for word, done without reference to any source. Can also name most of the kids in Standard 5. Nothing wrong with the very old memory.

Bongani 11/9/2009 11:12:53 AM
st for the record, there's Bongani - me - and "Bongani", the envious impostor who talked chicken crap about the internet.

chris 11/9/2009 1:28:27 PM
it sounds like you were just as useless as the government employees at that stage, seeing that you didnt bother to find out what was needed from your side....fool!
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