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Unathi Kondile

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'Animals & humans different'

by Unathi Kondile
2009-06-17 14:02

"Gay penguins adopt an egg, prepare for parenthood" read the headline.

I'm guessing they're not talking happy penguins adopting an egg; but more along the lines of birds in the business of homosexuality adopting an egg.

Not that any of this matters really because as far as I have been concerned penguins are asexual - I mean a quick bodily glance at one shows no bodily differences. No breasts. No external sexual reproductive organs. Nada. Their sexuality can only be established via DNA tests.

"Gay Penguins!?" one would ask and thereafter attempt to conclude that these birds must be from San Francisco, Amsterdam or Cape Town, but upon further reading it came to bare that they're actually from my hometown, East London.

I can just picture the two penguins setting up nest together and deciding to keep it strictly male. I'm now left wondering how exactly one establishes that a penguin is gay? Is it because it shacks up with a same sex partner? Well according to the Daily Dispatch:

"Molly and Guido became a couple back in February last year and set up a nest together. Aquarium staff were, however, puzzled that no egg followed the pairing. Blood samples were taken and sent to a veterinary laboratory, and it was found that Molly and Guido were in fact both males."

I take it paring implies mating. I'd hate to be the zoo staff member who paired these penguins and later found out they were both males. Or perhaps it was intentional and not a matter of choice or fate.

Questionable

Earlier this month a German zoo had a similar incident where two male penguins, Z and Vielpunkt, "gladly" adopted a chick. This two are said to be part of a six-strong gay community among the zoo's penguins.

"Homosexuality is nothing unusual among animals," said a zoo representative. This German zoo is the very same zoo that imported four female penguins from Sweden’s Bremerhaven Zoo to "cure" or make their current penguin populi go straight.

All this anthropomorphosis is questionable. Trying to humanise animals is one thing, trying to appropriate human behaviour and labels on to animals is another separate case.

Perhaps there is nothing out of the ordinary in this behaviour for animals and it is possibly a natural means for them to curb their population numbers - by becoming "homosexual" so to speak.

As far as I am concerned penguins will never be human and as such we should not expect them to behave humanly. If anything we are being discriminatory towards the poor birds.

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SimonP 6/17/2009 3:16:49 PM
The authour recently woke up wondering if he was stipid, his words. I can conclusively state YES.

Halftwit 6/17/2009 3:17:53 PM
We should stop discriminating against gay penguins and let them vote in the next election. Then we can have a gay penguin president - a freedom fighter for gay penguins - and the penguins can be free at last!

mallencolly 6/17/2009 3:22:07 PM
Rubbish. Firstly, I'll bet you cannot make a distinction between exclusivley human behaviour and animal behaviour. Secondly, It is constantly being proven by examining physiological reactions in human and animal brains that the same behaviours are coming from the same stimuli having the same effect. So if the chemistry is the same what fundemental difference is there? None. Humans are no more than animals. Not very advanced or superior animals in most regards. You keep telling yourself that though. It makes it easier to abuse and destroy. A bit like colonialism and slavery, no?


Rolls Royce 6/17/2009 3:26:06 PM
Another boring,meaningless letter....yeah have to agree with SimonP's above statement

Happyfeet 6/17/2009 3:29:37 PM
Not all penguins are gay - don't generalise please.

mallencolly 6/17/2009 3:33:37 PM
Please google a document called "Human behaviour as Animal Behaviour" by Daly and Wilson for a good starting point to show you that you are speking complete bullS@%t

CTheB 6/17/2009 3:36:08 PM
Ummm...humans are animals... Just because we're on a different branch of the animal kingdom doesn't change that fact.

Juan 6/17/2009 3:40:12 PM
Hehe! Funny article Unathi! Especially the inro! Keep it up! This is a fresh break from the 'same old same old' poletics we have on MyNews24! - As for the penguins - at least they dont have these stupid penguin-pride parades where they dress up real stupid and block traffic!

wikki wikki 6/17/2009 3:42:51 PM
It's all about the LOVE, Unathi ... all about the love, yo!

cillas 6/17/2009 3:44:12 PM
OMG this is such an amusing article Halfwit & happyfeet thanks for the response love them. first smile i have had today. unathi thanks wondered about the article but you were the only one to have the courage to comment on it knowing you would be knocked for this.

Mouse 6/17/2009 3:46:37 PM
Bored are you?

The Joker 6/17/2009 3:51:27 PM
Wow Unathi, what an inspiring piece of work... to wake up one day and write such nonsense is quite amazing! I'm blown away, who cares!!!!

mike 6/17/2009 3:59:16 PM
SimonP, I'm not one to go on about spelling, we all make typos, grammatical errors. I done made 15 alreadii (sic). Just, dude, if you're gonna call someone stupid, make sure you get it right. But I'm sure the irony is lost on you.

VG 6/17/2009 4:02:08 PM
If I understand correctly, two male penguins deciding to "make a nest together" should not be described as homosexual or gay because this is " trying to appropriate human behaviour and labels on to animals...". So, would you feel better if we came up with a whole new word to describe "gay" penguins? Please tell me I've misunderstood.

Tumelo 6/17/2009 4:07:45 PM
The Mayans predicted this:The world is coming to an end....

NickEd 6/17/2009 4:10:13 PM
I wonder if its only a captive penguin phenomenon, or if it happens in the wild as well. I guess if you're an animal dependant on cohabitation, you take what you can get. 'Sexuality' as such isn't really a factor. I'm quite sure these paired 'gay' penguin would happily mate with a female if it were that time of year and the female was available for mating, even if he does go back to his 'wingman' (no pun intended...) afterwards...

Mandy 6/17/2009 4:18:50 PM
Good one Unathi. Maybe we "humans" should learn something from this - NOT everything is black or white.

jason 6/17/2009 4:19:15 PM
Poorly written, poorly researched. Unathi clearly has not delved into any scientific research. I'll bet Unathi based this nonsense in the Bible though.

eish* 6/17/2009 4:20:05 PM
I just wasted 2 minutes of my life reading this k@k article!

Boni 6/17/2009 4:22:18 PM
there we go again with people missing the point and not saying anything to counter Unathi's article. please enlighten guys, especially the self-righteous MR Simon P, please, so what is stupid about the article.

daffy 6/17/2009 4:23:47 PM
I really hope that posts on this letter will NOT turn political and racial or even personal as they always do and its always the same bunch of idiots that start and I guess i have just put a target on my back coz of what i just wrote. By the way, leave the penguins alone.

Jo 6/17/2009 4:28:27 PM
What's your point? Plenty of animals display homosexual behaviour, as do plenty of humans (who you may have forgotten are also part of the animal kingdom). Who care's what you call it. Of course penguins will never be human, as we will never be penguins. I certainly don't understand whys it's discriminatory towards the birds by labeling them homosexual. They are homosexual. Shall we rather call it animalia-homosexuality. Actually - that's a problem as we are also listed under that biological classification. What are really you implying?

Anonymouse 6/17/2009 4:53:55 PM
"Homosexuality is nothing unusual among animals". Neither is slavery, cruelty and blood and gore. But let's stop there :-)

Poloyatonki 6/17/2009 4:56:25 PM
@mike - you are wasting your with sigh moan pee....

queer eye 6/17/2009 5:01:12 PM
"Im wondering what exactly establishes a penguin as gay?"
Well was the nest beautifully co-ordinated with matching twigs and artfully placed leaves? And did the penguins invite their fellow penguins round for appletinis when it was finished? If yes, then those penguins are definitely gay.

Jen 6/17/2009 5:02:45 PM
Unscientific, unproven, opinionated... what do you know about anima behaviour? Clearly nothing at all.

HVR 6/17/2009 5:04:57 PM
Quite a broad definition for homosexuality from the zoos. Don't the Springboks bunk together on training camps ... @SimonP - authour ????

geanann 6/17/2009 5:09:05 PM
I enjoyed that...for more of the same see: pop into http://blogs.24.com/ViewBlog.aspx?blogid=9f5d3758-e66f-4448-8ddb-4fc5062c2521

Cynical 6/17/2009 5:23:31 PM
Hey Unathi you genius you! Thanks for a truly entertaining article. Here's a web site you may want to look at for more inspiration: www.stopbeingamampara.com

JK 6/17/2009 5:45:14 PM
This article is neither funny nor stupid - it is in fact scientifically correct. The author is objecting to a disturbing trend in the media to hyope certain events into sensational events usuing wrong reasoning. For male penguins to look after eggs is a natural part of parenting in their species. So not strange here at all. Same sex nesting together is not gay - two male or female humans sharing accommodation does not make them 'gay'. Exclusive same-sex preference is the human definition of homosexuality. In the wild this would be selected against by evolutionary processes. Penguins in the wild will mate with any female who is receptive even though they are 'nesting' with another. This is normal for penguins, does not make them promiscuis, nor does it make this type of behavour 'normal' in human society, though it may be in some human societies. He is quite correct, this may just be normal behaviour for penguins under certain circumstances - especially abnormal circumstances such as these are forced into. An excellent article - but a bit too intelligent for some readers!

oistar 6/17/2009 6:02:18 PM
What a weird thing to write about, Unathi. Or is this just a simple way of disguising your homophobia? I actually can't see what point you are trying to make.

@ Halfwit 6/17/2009 6:16:39 PM
We already have a gay penguin for a president thank you.

simon 6/17/2009 7:32:52 PM
Good on you Mallencolly. This should be compulsory school material to stop such inane drivel, but with our declining education system......

ev 6/17/2009 9:06:11 PM
idiot

Paul Grant 6/17/2009 10:07:06 PM
I think they are simply trying to say that, see, animals also have homosexual tendancies to sort of justify human homosexuality even though the Bible clearly states that these sort should be killed on the spot (stoned). These people who make these sort of claims are supposed to be highly educated, yet they fail to even think that, as you rightfully stated Kondile, that it might be their way of controlling numbers. Why do we humans want to mess with anaimal instincts. Do we simply want to enforce some of our bullsh*t human rights laws onto animals as well.

Paul Grant 6/17/2009 10:10:25 PM
This is actually bad news for the penguins, very soon there will be reports of penguins being raped by human homosexuals wanting to alter their diet.

taurus 6/18/2009 7:01:20 AM
Get a grip guys or rather, get a sense of humour. Gay penguins? Hahaha!

Brian Boru 6/18/2009 7:51:13 AM
How come when the Irish attack the Romananian people it is racist. When the Africans do it, it is xenophobia?

Eles 6/18/2009 7:57:37 AM
Do we really care? I believe God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve having said that I don't think gay people have an option I think they naturally feel the way they do who knows it might be a gene mutation somewhere but I really don't think they have a choice. What irritates me is this whole drive on been politically correct if you are gay and someone calls you lesbo or fag I do not think it is the end of the world I mean people get fired for saying these things I don't see why these commments should hurt. Are they rude absolutely are they hurtful - no! I think gay people are far too sensitive.

Bonny 6/18/2009 7:58:06 AM
@SimonP
where do you get off calling someone stupid. Learn obedience and respect before you wag off your mouth. If you think you are smarter than anyone on this site than by all means emigrate, or go and live with the intelligent people in Australia or UK.

GeorGe 6/18/2009 8:24:33 AM
Wow - amazing analysis! What is Poliodonki going to say to this?

Just 6/18/2009 8:24:47 AM
@ Mike: WTF Mike. It's just a typo. Get over yourself.

Wisdom 6/18/2009 8:50:56 AM
ok article. For those penguin huggers, they are animals and we are NOT. And for the gay thing, give them some lube let them climb back into the closet.

Val 6/18/2009 8:58:41 AM
Thanks for interesting & Informative article. However each and every creation was and still comes in the form of Male and female, for the purpose of procreation. (a documented fact) Humans though were given higher status, intelligence and most of all CHOICES and an inborn need to worship. Since humans with intelligence out of self gratification changed this natural needs and wants, this has undoubtedly effected nature as a whole. Man has disturbed the natural balance of nature. So it does not surprise us that these unatural behaviors occur. It will take a higher hand to change things back to the original perfect state as when God created the earth and all creation lived in harmony

Pingu 6/18/2009 9:13:04 AM
Actually, I am a gay penguin. I felt that I had to write in when I saw your confusing and confused letter. Unathi, please don't judge gay penguins. There are lots of things you don't know about us. For one, I'm sure you weren't aware of our ability to use the internet. All penguins can use the internet. All the IQ test pop-ups that seem to follow you from website to website. That's us penguins. I'd be careful what you say on the internet about us gay penguins, Unathi. We have you on our naughty-list now. And those on the naughty-list will pay when we have global web domination. We are taking the net over site by site. We just bought facebook today. Soon we'll own twitter. Watch out for the stupid beady-eyed bluebird changing into a glorious gay penguin in high heels and corset. Soon. Soon Unathi. Soon.

kwezi 6/18/2009 9:25:26 AM
Quite correct Unathi. And those of you who think this is "abnormal animal behaviour"... Stop watching those cute Disney movies! Its for kids...

Try the National Geographic channel. The graphic ones that should be age restricted. What animals do and what we do (humans)are different. Really.

JJ Popo 6/18/2009 9:26:36 AM
As long as the one penguin does not stay for breakfast and ask for taxi money to go home, it's acceptable!!

cuba - @JJ Popo 6/18/2009 9:56:04 AM
your comment made my day :)

Mike 6/18/2009 9:58:03 AM
@Just. I get that it's a typo. I said that in my post. My point is, don't you think it's funny when you call someone stupid, but then make a stupid mistake yourself? See the irony?

thelostsheep 6/18/2009 10:22:19 AM
@mallencolly...I disagree.Humans and animals are vastly different. Show me an animal that can have a debate, read and write,drive a motorvehicle(unassisted) etc.In fact , the scientific vehicle has offered no proof that there is inherently no difference in animal and human behaviour.I assume you are talking about psychological differences when you refer to behaviour.Psychology is not exactly science..in fact I would say that anything that deals with behaviour is not science as it is very difficult to test,measure.If we are indeed no more than "not very advanced or superior animals", how do you account for the advancements in the scientific and medical fields?

Cutcha Ballsoff!! 6/18/2009 10:26:10 AM
I wonder if there are any Christian Penguins picketing with Silly slogans like: God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve....

oistar@Val 6/18/2009 11:39:53 AM
Val, or should I say Vile? Your bigotted contribution speaks for itself. Isn't too much procreation by mankind more to blame for the mess we are in and not homosexual behaviour. Val, kharma will get you in the end, whether you are a so-called Christian or not - you are not excempt from being judged.

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