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'I can't afford to live!'

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2008-04-24 10:30

Wernardt Toerien, News24 User

As economists hint at another fuel price increase next month and the possibility of another interest rate hike, I am baffled that the ordinary citizen can still afford day to day living.

No doubt people like Dawie Roodt and Mike Schussler could provide me with the insight I need to understand the reasoning behind the SARB's monetary decisions, but let me share the following: Real "inflation" experienced by the consumer is nowhere near 10%.

It is much more than this, and basing salary increases on this figure is ludicrous. To my knowledge, the statistical figure called "CPIX" represents the average increase of a "basket of goods" that is supposed to be representative of the basics needed for the average household. In stark contrast, the increase I experience when I walk in to Pick 'n Pay or fill up at a petrol station, is in Rand terms, and is an absolute increase, not an average.

Being convinced that StatsSA and all the economists are much smarter than I am and are wise in their use of CPIX as the be all and end all indicator, I ignored my nagging suspicion that my personal inflation was far beyond 10%. Ignoring it, however, is no longer possible.

Basket of goods

Having tabulated the real Rand values of my basic expenses since January 2007 (just over a year ago), I have added the real Rand value increase up to a total and worked out what percentage of my original expenses bill this amounts to. The fact is that this shows that my total "expense bill" has increased by 30% since January 2007, and I am sure many other people can agree that they are experiencing similar figures.

Much of this is attributable to the effect of compound interest. A 4% increase does not equal a net 4% increase in monthly costs, but closer to a 25% real net increase. What I'd like to know then, is why the SARB and all these high-paid economists can sit idly by and chastise this elusive "middle class" that is allegedly spending so much credit on luxury items.

Could it be that these people are forced to slowly dip deeper into their available credit to carry their basic expenses while they run on a monthly deficit because they can cut costs no further?

Whilst hapless consumers are being rapped over the knuckles for having too much demand for goods (how dare these peasants want three meals a day? How dare they need to buy food?) by fat-salaried SARB officials, companies are lamenting their shrinking profit margins because consumers aren't buying as much as they used to.

Tighten your belts

This decline in profits is then used to justify not giving middle class workers 10% increases since companies claim they can't stay afloat if they were to do so. If I am not mistaken, rich people won't stop buying luxury goods when interest rates increase, because they have a truckload of money and little debt anyway.

So what "demand" exactly is Tito trying to curb? The demand for food and transport? Besides killing or starving the population deliberately, there's no way to reduce the demand for basic goods.

In the same breath, these economists then smugly attribute the inflation to rising international fuel and food prices, which combine to increase the domestic price of basic foods and transport.

Through all this, demand has decreased, if anything, as people are increasingly unable to afford things. And yet, we're still being told to spend less, save more and "take your medicine".

When will this madness end?

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Justin 4/24/2008 10:39:51 AM
An excellent article, and very to the point. Having recently joined the corporate world 9 months ago I am amazed at how my very recently generous salary has become one of barely covering costs every month. I am one of the lucky ones who doesnt have any real debt or a bond yet just on food and fuel I have completely stopped any frivilous spending on luxuries like clothing and eating out during the week. The scary thing about this is my salary is actually very reasonable for my age...

Mark 4/24/2008 10:41:31 AM
I too have been battling to keep my head above the water, waking up every day wondering how I am going to feed my family. My house alone has gone up with almost R7000 per month. 4 bags of groceries now equates to R700. Bringing a child into this world costs an arm and a leg now, just on food and nappies. You can?t get business, because people cannot afford your product. It's a vicious circle. I also ask where it will end.

Therk 4/24/2008 10:43:02 AM
Tito Mboweni will only understand his hapless monetary policy when he is fired and has to really work for a living , buy a home, pay for medical, pay for school kids, pay for everthying you have to do or not do.[Either way it costs money]

The Truth 4/24/2008 10:45:31 AM
the price of grain having increased by 150% worldwide since March 2007,it makes you actually realise what serious s..t this country and the world are heading for.Millions in the world are already spending over 80% of their monthly income just on food! It is true what they say,future wars will not be fought over differing ideologies and land but rather over food and water,unless something is done urgently to counter global warming etc.

jannie 4/24/2008 10:45:56 AM
..http://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/statsdownload.asp?PPN=P0141&SCH=4144 and open the document. Look at page 24. Scary!

ML 4/24/2008 10:46:10 AM
The more rates increses We get the more We get into more debts trying to cover our daily needs as salaries stay the same.Please can somebody explain this theory of curbing debts?

jaco van rensburg 4/24/2008 10:46:32 AM
i also have the same experience when shopping for my average normal household products, must say it might even be more than 30%. the normal guy in the street cannot survive anymore let alone save.

Tinus 4/24/2008 10:46:32 AM
I want to say thanks to Tito for his wonderful job of pulling the leashes on the runnaway horse. Thanks to the increases I will actually be able to afford a home as a first-time buyer.

Running in the red 4/24/2008 10:49:21 AM
I Iaggree whole heartidly with you, I have restructured and settled my debt a while back, only to find my self dipping into my overdraft now as my current salary just doesnt do it anymore, I dont have a fancy house , car ,toys. Yet Im struggling to keep my head above the water. I have family in Europe, who dont earn fantastic salaries but they manage to save money each month , have a decent house and live well, maybe emmegrating sounds good.

David 4/24/2008 10:49:56 AM
You are spot on with your letter. I too have recently done the same exercise but on the fuel that i use. I bought a bantam bakkie in 2000, the first tank of petrol cost me R180. Yesterday i filled up and the cost is now R415. It is now getting beyond a joke.

Marlene Hanekom 4/24/2008 10:51:34 AM
Could it be that these people are forced to slowly dip deeper into their available credit to carry their basic expenses while they run on a monthly deficit because they can cut costs no further?

hjs 4/24/2008 10:52:12 AM
companies like Pick & Pay, are in business for only one purpose. To make money. The fact that they sell food doesn't matter. They don't care a damn about your pocket, or whether you can afford to stay alive. They want your money, just have a look at the profits P&P declared.

James Page 4/24/2008 10:54:54 AM
This is all a direct result of our country following the rules imposed on us by the FTA, IMF and the GATT. In order to make our currency "stable" and to ensure stable markets for the first world, our government is forced to adopt financial practices that destroy our own internal production, but increase our export potential. This allows the first world countries to buy our exports (mainly coal, ore and gold) on the cheap, enriching a few of the rich elite, and making the rest poorer.

Theunis 4/24/2008 10:55:49 AM
Well said .... I can not see how increasing the interest rate are going to bring down the oil(fuel) contrabution to the inflation rate. They are just killing the economy.

mada 4/24/2008 10:56:25 AM
Day after day I buy the basic bread and milk. Bread price gone up to a all tike high at the Cafe around the block to R13.In every isle of the Supermarket things go up nearly daily at a fenemanal rate.Salaries has not risen since last year July but I pay more every month. Where will it stop. I am now bargain hunting and we only eat the specials of the stores in our area!

Matrix 4/24/2008 10:57:18 AM
SARB can only use mechanisms available to them, which boils down to control of interest rate. The source of monetary policy is about income & expendature of the country. This needs to be put in perspective. All of us experience simmilar symptoms as in this article, but it is the fatcats that determine monetary Policy. Yes, they (ANC Gov) are screwing us, so VOTE THEM OUT. Businesses must also come to the party. They inflate prices to make profit margins. This becomes perpetual motion like in Zim.

Matrix 4/24/2008 11:02:58 AM
Higher demand, lower availability, the higher the prices of goods and services. Solution, although very difficult when it gets to basic foodstufs, etc... is to refuse financial support for over priced goods and services. Another is to start entrepaneurships and serve local communities that cut out the self enrichment organisations. So! How about it? Where are these entrepaneurs? Cut out the middle-wo/men. Many examples where this can & will work.

Juan 4/24/2008 11:03:30 AM
Everything is directly connected to the Petrol price...which is connected to the oil price...which is connected to the US$ ...which is connected to our pathetic exchange rate to the Rand. - We must look at WHY the rand is falling so fast. Remember: Government Ministers are earning MASSIVE salaries, and they don't feel the squeeze yet, so they don't NEED to care.

Bonjo 4/24/2008 11:03:44 AM
How can Tito expect us ordinary South Africans to save and spend less when we have nothing to save, we can hardly afford basic necessities, however, this guy expects us to spend less and save. We are forced to go to loan sharks and borrow more money to keep the light burning, our monetary policy needs to be relooked at, its cripling us, we will end up living on bread and water only, this thing is ridiculous, ever rising costs, my brother I agree 100%, perhaps the rich should foot the bill

Juan 4/24/2008 11:04:07 AM
Everything is directly connected to the Petrol price...which is connected to the oil price...which is connected to the US$ ...which is connected to our pathetic exchange rate to the Rand. - We must look at WHY the rand is falling so fast. Remember: Government Ministers are earning MASSIVE salaries, and they don't feel the squeeze yet, so they don't NEED to care.

me 4/24/2008 11:05:11 AM
Our finance minister and the ever caring ANC have told you that you should grow some mealies in your garden to curve the inflation you are currently experiencing, now shut up and get planting, thanks Trevor...crisis, what crisis

Len van Heerden 4/24/2008 11:08:41 AM
Inflation is decieving because we also have to pay bonds. so, inflation takes away your income, in addition to interest rates and other taxes which are added to petrol. Furthermore, the price of petrol is not added to inflation, rather the effect, which often is felt much later as a result of increases in production costs. The figure of 30% is closer to reality than 105 if you take everything into account

envirokid 4/24/2008 11:09:10 AM
My grocery bill alone has increased by 45 % in the last year! I haven't even calcualted my pertol but I don't have to drive too far to work. Luckily the only debt I have is a house and a car and both are fixed at about 3-4 % below the current rate. Unfortunately there are people I know who are on the verge of going bust.

john pratt 4/24/2008 11:09:28 AM
Here is an example of the "real" food inflation rate. Pick n Pay pork kebabs..sell by date 17th April @ R44.95/kg. On the same shelf, the same product with a sell-by sate of 24thApril @ R59.99/kg. Yes we all know that meat prices fluctuate based on market demand & availability, but this represents a 33% increase in a week. I think you will find that this is not an isolated example and it may be interesting to track whether the price ever comes down again! John

L van Heerden 4/24/2008 11:10:32 AM
If you pay R13 for bread then you need to try another suprmarket. No one is forcing you to buy from one place, if they are ripping you off. Inflation does not account for people who obviously pay beyond what should be acceptable.

Suzz 4/24/2008 11:12:45 AM
I'm so glad I'm not the only one. But with 3 and 5% increases last year, what do you expect!!?? Things have become so expensive that I need a 20% increase just to be able to save some money as our finance minister insists upon! Save??? SAVE WHAT!!!! There is nothing LEFT TO SAVE!!!! This is ridiculous, your absolutely right!! I don't even want to try and imagine how the really poor people survive..... It's frightening!

Drifter 4/24/2008 11:13:06 AM
It has become so hectic, that we as a family have resorted to one decent meal a day. Besides that, we have to rely on a sandwich or something small and simple. I eran an above average salary, but am also forced into my credit line every month. Hiking interest rates is busy killing everybody.

LvH 4/24/2008 11:13:15 AM
It is time that government consider excluding homes from interest rate fluctuations. Surely, for some buying a home at 10% interest rate, it is unfair that they should be expected to budget for an interest of 20% when all they want is to house themselves and reduce the burden on the state. furthermore, a house is an investment and first time owners should be allowed fixed rates of 10% for first 5 years.

redant 4/24/2008 11:16:08 AM
i was at macro staurday, buying essential. the trolleys around me were full of luxury goods, i mean full. in one trolley, a plazma, a Xbox and WII and 2 high end gas heaters.7 garmin navigators in 7 minutes done. Who says people are cutting back. i think the rich are thriving and the poor are kaking. i agree thak basics are up a lot. since january, at least 40% more ezpensive to live. What ate the options?

MP3 4/24/2008 11:16:11 AM
I like economists as much as I like DBA's.

Bodie 4/24/2008 11:16:30 AM
True.This is in line with what I posted yesterday regarding the SARB's comments on how they would force Saffers to save. Tito and his band of fools are so far removed from reality that the idea of folks using available debt for essentials does not occur to them. Net result, prices spiral, salaries do not keep pace, less money in circulation, imports soar at $ rates.Capital outflow.Even less money in circulation.More money printed.News-paper seller millionaires and a virtual Zimbabwe down south.

LvH 4/24/2008 11:18:51 AM
Since same time 2006, I spent R300 to fill up and now spend R525. Bond was R8500 and now R10550. Car payments were R3300 and now R3800. R1000 grocery lasted 3 weeks, now last barely 2 weeks. Salary has increased by 10% which does not cover for all expenses. Other items have gone up. Have cancelled my golf and gym memberships and still have nothing to save and Manuel tells me to save. Fly a kite!!!!

chops 4/24/2008 11:21:30 AM
This is happening worldwide, not just in South Africa.

Tefo 4/24/2008 11:22:33 AM
As part of the upcoming middle-class, I sometimes feel that we are being hanged out to dry. Think about it, the rich dictate rules and set prices and policy, and the poor have unions and government who at least speak and fight on their behalf. Who's looking out for us? I have given up on acquiring 'luxury' items for some time now, but now my forever rising expense is supporting family in the villages and putting siblings and cousins through tertiary. Tuition, rent, transport, food. Tito, Trevor?

John Camp 4/24/2008 11:22:41 AM
Do you think all these increases are going to help you afford a house?? Wake up your coffee is cold. To all those who are just waiting for "the day" to come, get comfortable cos u have a long wait.

Jinx 4/24/2008 11:26:17 AM
Where are the fools that only YESTERDAY said things are much better now since the ANC governs SA?? I beg you to comment and show the rest of us "the bigger Picture"

Hendrik 4/24/2008 11:29:23 AM
Interesting that in the US for instance, when interest rate goes up, rates on certian credit like bonds go down... So you stay with your current salary in the same position. Policy like that, again, comes from Government, and come on - the ANC are way too busy structuring a new BEE deal than to look at caring for it's people!

richbitch 4/24/2008 11:29:30 AM
Sold my house, placed money in fixed term invetsment. Get enough monthly interest. Dont need more to live off as long as the prime and bank interest stays where it is or goes up. Dont currently have assets, but waiting for others to go banckrupt then buy the bargains / reposessions. It works and making greate profits of you sods.

Alicia 4/24/2008 11:29:42 AM
I have planted my own veggie garden, a few fruit trees and meat is not on our menu anymore. Except mince, which I buy at a special place...which tonight wil become spaghetti bolognaise.. hardly any cheese, the rest all gets thrown together tommorrow, maybe more noodles a bit of veggies and lots of curry, star aniseed, cumin, cinnamon etc. Lovely. Weekend, salads and bread. Wonder what THEY eat every day, with 2 boiled potatoes. The future.. Heaven only knows.

mallencolly 4/24/2008 11:30:27 AM
and fiscal policy are very good controls of an economy. The fact that you cannot afford as much as you could means you will buy less. Its working like a charm. The fact that food and fuel prices etc are increasing points to a different problem. I suggest you research the problems and think long and hard about how you can help solve it. you might find you need those solutions real soon...

psycobabble 4/24/2008 11:34:16 AM
What also baffles me Wernardt is that we do not get any relief from this govt.We have a huge surplus from 2007.One can only wonder where Trev is stashing it.The US govt is offering some relief to home owners because of their mortgage crisis.We just get told to lump it and that we spend too much.Wait for food riots to start here because it will affect the really poor sooner than we think.

Michelle 4/24/2008 11:37:46 AM
Everything's increasing, can we please have an increase in salary. How are we suppose to survive if everything's going up except our salary.

luke 4/24/2008 11:38:10 AM
coming from one of the most rural parts of SA, the situation is even worse, the cost of getting goods to these remote areas costs more. 5 million South Africans mostly living in similar areas earn less than US$1 a day. crisis what crisis

Point Blank 4/24/2008 11:38:13 AM
I agree. If the CPIX is determined without mortgage then why can they not exclude mortgages from the Interest Rate Hike. My bond is my only debt and in the last 9 months it has risen to over R3500 a month!!! This has reduced my capability of paying cash for goods such as groceries. I cannot and do not spend money on luxuries, I save more then 10% in electricity and my car is paid off yet I am getting closer and closer to HAVING to use my credit card to pay for food.

mikehunt 4/24/2008 11:39:17 AM
The UK and USA have (for instance) been progressively LOWERING interest rates to stimulate growth. My little brain cannot understand how the reduction of money in your pocket (via interest rate hikes) will lower inflation, while prices increases are generally due to other factors?

PAYER 4/24/2008 11:39:32 AM
Wernardt, and the rest, these bean counters sit on there a**es and count beans in a bottle that was filled in 19 voertsek and does not include things like bonds or the price of a kilo of bones now. They include petrol and stuff and tell us we spend to much. But sh**t I work for my money and only buy where and what I can aford and still this simple eischkom wants me to save more. The toll roads went up the diesel is nearly R2 more than Petrol,Governments part is already 41% of a litre, what's next

CAB 4/24/2008 11:39:59 AM
I recently got married and thought with two incomes it would be better. NOT. We struggle to meet our committments and have started cancelling policies etc just to survive. Luckily, he is British and we are leaving at the end of the year after doing a LOT of research on the UK. We can live a comfortable life, go on holiday and save in the UK!!!! The British government at least looks after its citizens, young and old. Viva Britain, can't wait to get there!!!!!

Gee PMB 4/24/2008 11:40:29 AM
The fuel increase has had a ripple effect on the consumer. Government wants to curb spending by increasing interest rates but more and more people are forced to buy basics on credit, just to live so the vicious circle continued. And, has it occured to anyone that the exhorbiant diesel price increases happened almost at the same time that load shedding started and diesel powered generators are being used!! Interesting huh!!!

CAB 4/24/2008 11:40:42 AM
I recently got married and thought with two incomes it would be better. NOT. We struggle to meet our committments and have started cancelling policies etc just to survive. Luckily, he is British and we are leaving at the end of the year after doing a LOT of research on the UK. We can live a comfortable life, go on holiday and save in the UK!!!! The British government at least looks after its citizens, young and old. Viva Britain, can't wait to get there!!!!!

saliem 4/24/2008 11:45:38 AM
Why must you idiots always pick on the government, whic has one of the most sound fiscal policies in Africa and a Minister of Finance who is respected worldwide. Many of the factors that have influenced price hikes (eg oil price, value of the rand, price of basic commodities, etc) are mainly due to external influences. So pray tell me why the blame must always be put on the ANC?

JB 4/24/2008 11:47:12 AM
Like Russia, gov must control basic living costs, and keep it minimal, but its like trying to get good service at home affairs.

carol 4/24/2008 11:48:39 AM
You Go! I wish you all the very best! And I dont blame you. My son and his family are there, except for the weather, they love it thereGOOD LUCK

The Truth 4/24/2008 11:49:13 AM
Obviously you haven't heard of the dispute over the proposed removal of the 10p tax by the UK government yet.Nevertheless enjoy,but no need to shove it down our throats over here.We are actually better off without people like you (and by the way,the global financial crisis is affecting the UK & Europe as well,no country is safe).

Currently Disadvantaged 4/24/2008 11:49:49 AM
...that we actually pay more than we think in taxes. Most people never take into account that apart from your regular PAYE, on top of that you have to slap the 14%VAT you pay for everything else as well.

Mike 4/24/2008 11:50:46 AM
It is funny how the wheel of evolution turns,All of this will not have been a problem if proper planning and implementation is done!Agriculture remains at the heart of a good economy,that has been neglected as it was better to export than to ensure your people are fed.You must remember decision makers earn over and above R700k it is easy to forget the suffering of the middle and lower class.SA has enough manpower and resources to be sustainable!start doing it!

Henneri 4/24/2008 11:51:31 AM
On the subject of fuel prices why can the government look at reducing the Tax on the petrol, diesel and paraffin? According to Money web only 63% of price goes towards the actual cost of fuel. So, basically when the price goes up the government, fuel retailers and one of the biggest problems SASOL make more money. I mention Sasol because of the fact that Sasol produces petrol at a much lower cost than normal fuel company?s ex. Engine ext. To prove this just have a look at Sasol's profits.

Mikey 4/24/2008 11:54:35 AM
I've tried cutting out buying anything I don't need and only buy essentials. But interest rate increases have sucked up anything I might have saved how in the fuck does this help bring down inflation???? I work ten minutes away from home, I know I'm lucky but I get paid shit, I could get a better job in Town but then I'd spend all my money on getting to work. I can't relocate cos the interest rates are up to shit. Ok I could sell my house(a small house)and move into a flat but the property marke

Phumba 4/24/2008 11:54:57 AM
Three yeards ago I was not overindebted and could pay my bond/HP's comfortably and still save. Now I am unable to save and am dipping into my savings despite cutting back drastically on luxuries. The rate increases has made me overindebted, something which I am told it was intended to prevent. I'll never understand economics.

MEL 4/24/2008 11:55:51 AM
It pains me to think that I have a one year old to look after, bills to pay, groceries to buy and also spend a huge chunk of money to get to my place of work. My salary is just not enough, with practically just about anything expensive in this country, and our salaries stagnant as ever, I wonder what our lives will be like come end 2009... MEL

Mikey 4/24/2008 11:55:56 AM
Soon there will only be rich people and poor people! No middle class this is going to happen worldwide.

me 4/24/2008 11:56:58 AM
it still seems pretty popular...cheer up guys at least we still have sunshine..

dne 4/24/2008 11:57:30 AM
Good article - SA consumers are being held accountable and penalised for things that they have no control over, i.e. Eskom's power crisis, international oil price, rising international food prices. For the past two years the highest salary increase granted in my spouse's company was just under 6%. We are going backward at such a rate that a new category will have to be created PMC - Previously Middle Class.

mikey 4/24/2008 11:57:32 AM
I haven't had a raise in nearly 2 years!

AS 4/24/2008 11:57:41 AM
My husband and I earn fairly decent salaries. We have never rolled in the dough so to speak, but we were comfortable. Now, we really battle to make it to the end of the month and we don't eat out, or buy takeaways, no going to movies etc. We pay the bills and buy the very basics but we are battling. And they want us to SAVE? Save WHAT???

Wernardt 4/24/2008 11:57:41 AM
For those who point to the supply-demand mechanism: Yes, i do understand basic economics thank you very much. The problem is more complex than that. There will always be a demand for food, people need to feed themselves. It doesn't work the exact same way as luxury goods where business can lower its 200% margin on BMWs to 150% to sell a few more. Granted, PnP is posting huge profits and I've always wondered why, when transport costs decreased in the past, food was never "marked down".

lekkalik 4/24/2008 11:57:56 AM
Eish! I've been hoping to make a family of 6 but may have to reconsider. Will govt help me realise my dream of 6 kids I can't afford?

In the same boat 4/24/2008 11:59:48 AM
I understand and agree with most of the complaints but I dont see any fiesible answers coming out, just a list of problems and very few solutions that would actuly work. What could be done to change this, solutions would be better than complaints, I dont have the answer and I am battling to keep afloat, I would love to give all my staff a 20% increase but that would have to be passed on to my customers, even if I didnt take an increase. all my staff earn similar sallaries to me.

Cape Town Kid 4/24/2008 12:00:02 PM
Curb your spending. Why are you victimising yrselves to this extend? Who is the consumption class? BUY BUY BUY..You guys think that consumption is a right and blame whoeva but yourselves for your obsessive behaviour. What a cheek..(no correction)...what a joke!

Bethuel 4/24/2008 12:00:11 PM
When foods rises like this please let we sympithised with Zimbabians,they presently strungle to buy everything how they go to manage this worldwidd general increases.our cpix is 10.1%what is theirs?

joan 4/24/2008 12:02:45 PM
A country is run like a corporation. Why can the ANC not get back all the billions that have been stolen and sort the country out. They have even pulled our oil reserve through their behinds. IFP should have governed the country.

Les-Maada 4/24/2008 12:03:08 PM
Mr Jinx ...i did not need to use my calculator to find out that my monthly expenditure has increased by 50% & my surplus decreased by the same margin,the world has been hit by the same economic Bus & SA is no exception.So stop trippin!!

The Truth 4/24/2008 12:03:57 PM
"HEAR HEAR" on your home loan suggestion.From your mouth to Messrs. Manuel & Mboweni's ears I hope,but remember some of us in SA couldn't even afford "golf and gym memberships" to begin with.My heart bleeds custard for you in that respect.You will just have to buy yourself a Nintendo WII & survive somehow.It will be tough but you will cope,I'm sure.

Cmon Now 4/24/2008 12:05:50 PM
And pie in the sky..... Probably copied and pasted some idiots details and passing it off as yr own. Well at least you can go into Pick and Pay, heh heh. To those who think the grass is greener on the other side, GO, pak jou goed en voetsek Ferreira, its a global thing!

tshepo 4/24/2008 12:06:23 PM
an economist on 702 this morning said SA is one of a few in the world that will manage to grow it's GDP in the current economic climate. And ppl comparing SA to the US & UK are simply delusional, our social challenges are nowhere close. Do they even realise that the US economy is suffering? and it's impact on world markets? Just check the stock market and equity markets. Blaming the government for world markets simply shows a lack understanding to what's happening around you.

Jann 4/24/2008 12:07:08 PM
For the past 5 years, our salary increases "are in line with government inflation figures" which means about 5%. The only people who believe these figures are salary planners - the rest of us know that "real" inflation is much, much higher.

Gregg 4/24/2008 12:09:40 PM
I worked out about 2 weeks back that come increase time in June I will need a 26% increase from my company to be in the SAME financial position that I was last year June 2007.. That means I will need an increase of +- 36%-38% to be in a real ''raise'' position.. And there is no way in hell my company will give me more than 10% so I'm in a lose-lose situation..

Wernardt 4/24/2008 12:10:58 PM
Sure, I would be happy to grow mielies in my back yard. Except I DONT HAVE a back yard, because I live in a pigeon hole so that I can be in Johannesburg to take part in growing our corporate economy. I do think that Mike makes a good point, agriculture is way too neglected and we need to start producing more and curbing exports of basic foods so that SA can provide for itself. Our current account deficit needs serious attention. Anyone want to guess where our A grade grain, fruit, veg, etc goes?

H.F Verwoerd 4/24/2008 12:11:00 PM
The disposable income for a South African is also a lot less than in other countries. On top of the tax we pay we also have to pay for, medical, security, schooling amongst others. This leaves us with a lot less in our pockets than our European counterparts.

VG 4/24/2008 12:12:27 PM
Okay, in a nutshell, the SARB raises rates bcoz the less you have in your pocket, the less you can spend, demand decreases and retailers are forced to keep price increases to a minimum.Over time this will assist in bringing inflation down.If you exclude mortgage bonds, then this mechanism will not work.Some ppl cannot save, but they can cut back (see redant)

Amazed 4/24/2008 12:13:05 PM
I am amazed at the comments and the article, I have just been back to SA after 5 years abroad and must say S Africans still had a very high quality life compared to anywhere else, most had servants, a luxury , ate more meat thaqn anywhere, had flashy cars , shopping malls buzzing, golf resorts everywhere, houses worth millions and concrete growing like a jungle, are you reporting on the same SA or has the bubble gone plop.

MickyM 4/24/2008 12:13:53 PM
In SA most things revolve around the exchange rate - so those who advocate for a weak rand have caused a major portion of the delima we find ourselves in. Only the exporters gain a bit whilst the population suffers. Wheat and maize - based on the $, oil and even our own Sasol based on the $, bulk of machinery is imported. So hope and wish for a stronger rand so that our basic costs can come down. And let the rich have their overseas holidays but at least we can eat......

@me 4/24/2008 12:16:37 PM
I have noticed that the great scissor advertisement only reduces the price of consumables that are classed as luxuries in my world.Why do they not reduce the prices of basic food items.They can afford to reduce the luxury items because they are not their main income.

Ian 4/24/2008 12:16:39 PM
I agree with you... we need a separate interest rate for bonds. Nothing more then 10%.

Matrix 4/24/2008 12:17:52 PM
Trevor announced recently the exorbitant profits from Income Tax, also look at the exorbitant incomes of officials (including allowances), State financed legal cases, around 41% of fuel is taxes and fuel drives the economy, etc... This is money that is taken from you in the form of taxes. This is monatary policy. Give back to the people by either reducing taxes or cut taxes from basic goods. Think or Pay you ID 10 T

Harold 4/24/2008 12:20:30 PM
Just a quick example of a "small" expenditure I do every day at my local shop around the corner: 1xbread, 1x2L Coke, 1x2L milk, 1x packet of smokes... used to cost around R50 ....now it's closer to R61 ...that's 20% increase .... if my wife stops smokin, and I stop drinking Coke ....that we might be able to afford the bread and milk ...

Wernardt 4/24/2008 12:22:43 PM
In the same boat, I understand that SMEs maybe unable to keep up with increases for their workers and remain viable, but big corporations like SASOL and PnP pass these "higher costs" on to consumers to maintain a certain profit margin. Would it kill them so much to dip into the profit margin a bit? Consumers must tighten belts but business mustn't? Since when does economic tough times only apply to citizens and not to business? I understand it's Capitalism but this is rediculous.

Lithium 4/24/2008 12:24:21 PM
I hope you have a good rain coat :-) I was sent by my company to Canada for just over a year (happy to be back). I also did a LOT of research, and thought I would be well off. BIG mistake. You pay for the increase in living standard. There are LOTS of small things that add up that you do not pick up before you are there. Not to discourage you, but trust me, financially speaking, the grass is NOT always greener on the other side. One last note: You earn in pounds, you SPEND in pounds

The Truth 4/24/2008 12:24:35 PM
Put on your reading glasses and try again buddy.I never said a word of what you are accusing me of saying.I actually said NO country will be unnaffected.

Stryker 4/24/2008 12:24:52 PM
FFS of course its tough - its tough everywhere at the moment but jeeez give it a break already - never seen such a bunch of moaners in my life. The cleaners in our office block earn around R3500 per month - they take two to three taxis to get here, 80% of them are single mums (due to the usual african male being a useless poephole)and are the most cheerful peeps here. Count your blessings forum dwellers.

shane 4/24/2008 12:28:57 PM
Say thanks to OPEC thats got the whole world by the balls.Also thank your goverment that has got major debt overseas and then blame me for buying a crap car.How much do we owe for those weapons again?How much did they write off for their marxist buddies in Cuba?

Wernardt 4/24/2008 12:29:53 PM
Thank you for yet again quoting the tiresome rhetoric that "the less you have to spend, the less you'll buy and retailers will have to lower prices". This is true, for anything that involves choice in the purchase. Basic foodstuffs are not an optional purchase. I can't stop buying food so that suddenly PnP finds it isn't selling food anymore and reduces prices to entice people to buy food again. I KNOW global costs of food and fuel are increasing, but other countries are DECREASING rates!

lekkalike 4/24/2008 12:31:32 PM
How do you survive without having to buy anything? Do you know what it means to make assumptions -as you clearly do? How is it someone like you (presumably you are not part of the consumption/obsseive shiopping' class) has access to the internet? Are you part of the consumption class or just "stealing internet access?

Nzo 4/24/2008 12:31:49 PM
Tito Mboweni should also be there were salary negotiotions are in place so he will remember how badly we were affected in price hike. Prices goes up every now and then, our salary goes up once a year. Is not enough, my take home pay doeasnt even take me home.

AJ 4/24/2008 12:33:08 PM
Links inflation to irresponsible consumers. Whilst this has been the case with credit expense the global price increases (chiefly oil) are the real drivers. You cant stop inflation now without killing the SA economy. SARB does not seem to be able to react to what is exceptional global circumstances.

meltonmark 4/24/2008 12:36:51 PM
Well...why don't the thieving politicians reduce taxes? Why must we be told we spend too much and we are not thrifty enough, when back at the ranch, the parasite class just leech off us in every more abundance? As far as I am concerned, income tax is theft, plain and simple. It is no different if you came into my house and made off with my television set. The fact that some individuals voted you the person most likely to steal it most professionally doesn't mitigate against the fact.

Libembe 4/24/2008 12:39:17 PM
Difficult times lie ahead. I have switched-off my cell phone and bought pre-paid. My last bill was R700, I plan to cut it by R500. That's my first step, next I have to downgrade. Maybe two suppers of meat a week will do, or else, it's pap en melk. No more fancy lunch, I bring lunchbox now, I don't know what's next.

Cane Rat 4/24/2008 12:39:20 PM
I'm facing the axe after almost 21 years service to the same company (and so are a few hundred others)due to this pathetic Govt and Eskom's mess-ups. The Govt's mandate is to ensure a better life for ALL its citizens, but alas, they are failing dismally. I'm not sure what the future holds for the people affected by this "joke". The light at the end of the ANC tunnel turned out to be a freight train at full speed. God help us!!!

LvH 4/24/2008 12:40:29 PM
It is the US policies that are creating all the problems in this world. When the USA attacked Iraq, the price of oil was a very expensive $25 a barrel having risen from $19 a barrel. Now ir is close to $119. The problems with bankiing system again happened in the USA. So, despite all our faults, give credit where it is due. No use in simply criticising in ignorance.

James 4/24/2008 12:40:50 PM
Saliem oil price etc is going up and a global problem, but this ANC government with the eskom CRISIS has caused severe damage to SA's reputation and caused the rand to weaken etc...oil is paid for in US dollars....so weak rand means we pay more etc etc etc So yes our government is to blame for making it worse than what it should be!

Len van Heerden 4/24/2008 12:42:07 PM
What would you consider as exorbitant incomes by officials? Can you give a couple of examples of officials who earn exorbitant salaries

Ruthless 4/24/2008 12:43:30 PM
Now you are experiencing the cold realities of a socialist government which so many of you were prepared to defend. I hope this is a lesson for all of you.

fortunate 4/24/2008 12:44:17 PM
Sunflower Cooking oil - 750ml Pick n' Pay 3-4 months ago between R11-R13 now R19.98 Approx 65% increase. Maybe other examples should be looked at?

Ingrid 4/24/2008 12:45:22 PM
Cab I agree with you it will be the best decision you make in your life to leave SA to move to the UK. I moved over here 3 years ago at least I can afford to live a decent life, go on a decent holiday each year. I was just not able to make ends meet in SA. If you can get out of SA get out now before it is too late!

mark 4/24/2008 12:46:15 PM
Also...funny how politicians claim the credit for a booming economy, but claim international economic factors when faced with recession. Governments love inflation. It allows them to screw you for ever more money. As prices rise, so does the VAT take on each item sold. By the way, where does the extra cash go that they steal from you in higher interest rates? Who's pocket?

IM 4/24/2008 12:46:16 PM
unfortunately, a debt spiral is a symptom of an action that has already taken place. if you've already borrowed too much, there are only 4 things left to do: 1 sell the culprit (car, house), 2 refinance (debt over a longer term - better cash flow but more interest over time), 3 cut expenses (no eating out, etc), or 4 sequestrate. matters will only get worse as these 4 options play itself out over months (or years) to come. IM

saliem 4/24/2008 12:46:41 PM
The "facts" profered by you in your pathetic posting are but a fraction of the cause for CPI pressures that are taking money out of our pockets. Even if these things were reduced or abolished, they (govt) would need to balance the books in some other way. I was merely stating that people with a extremenly NARROW perspective can only think of blaming the govt; like you - T W 1 T

Alicia 4/24/2008 12:47:13 PM
Why in these dire times.. getting worse as we speak, do we still have to pay VAT on food. The fatcats have no idea what we are talking about...they are just getting fatter and richer, so, drop the VAT. As far as increases go, I own a business, I have not had an increase in years, and this year neither will my staff, and they understand. We think up cheap recipes and pray for the future.

MDK 4/24/2008 12:48:12 PM
I agree with you a 100%. I might add that the rental market is also out of control. A few people can afford a house and will rent for life. Life is becoming too expensive! There IS NO shortage of food! Only a shortage of oil! Oil = money and money = power. You do the math. Is it governments that control the world or only an elite few? I wish a meteor would just hit this world.

JAL 4/24/2008 12:50:06 PM
Oh well. I've had to resort to growing my own fruit and veg. Starting to bake my own bread...what else can one do? Oh yes, also have lift club going...Also have to really shop around for the best price for day to day groceries. Cut down on electricity consumption, oh dear, that doesnt help anyways! Still going to pay more :)

Wim de Villiers 4/24/2008 12:56:43 PM
Right on the nail Mr Toerien...from today I am striking against thr fuel price by driving slower and saving as much fuel as possible...only filling my car on Saturdays...NOW if I can get another few million to join and do exactly the same we will be able to make a real impact...I will start by trying to get two people to join me and if they do the same we can have them...whoever them are on their knees within a few weeks...so here goes my one man war...Lets DO something...Join the DO campaign...

DW 4/24/2008 12:57:08 PM
Moneyweb stated a % of fuel price going on taxes but they were only stating the current price. The taxes on fuel are a fixed rand value. When the price goes up due to higher oil prices the govt does not get more money. Small consolation though...

Frank II 4/24/2008 12:57:11 PM
It used to be cheap to live in SA. Our parents were normal working class people and the were able to raise 2 or 3 kids in a decent house with a garden, etc. Nowadays graduates battle to make ends meet and you need to earn R40 000 a month to qualify for an average house. This is ridiculous and a sorry state of affairs. I suspect the middle men in all supply chains are the ones making the big money and we are the victims of their greed.

LvH 4/24/2008 12:57:31 PM
classical case of inflation control assumes that monopolies react in a controllable manner, but as price fixing has shown, there are outside forces that cannot be controlled by raising rates. Furthermore, there is stage where reducing consumption simply means going without, which means the poor get affected more, or end up borrowing to finance supper. Double edged sword in my view

Judith Taylor 4/24/2008 1:03:03 PM
Raising interest rates is not the way to control our current inflation problems. All it is doing is making it impossible for people to live on a day to day basis. Travelling to work, whether by public transport or private, is becoming vastly more expensive because of the price of oil. Food prices are out of control because developed countries are turning food into oil. Mortgage costs are rising and depriving people of their homes. Now is the time for creativity by the Reserve Bank

Therk 4/24/2008 1:03:33 PM
The only answer is for the entire economic system to collapse. Then unproductive parasites of the economy has got no substance to thrive on. For those comparing SA with other less privilaged countries, Hey! if they are suffering due to bad monetary policies, we should learn not to do the same. Progress can never be measured how little you have regressed.

Gail 4/24/2008 1:04:25 PM
I tell all the debt collectors each month they have a good chance of being paid - all the names are in the hat and if drawn, they will be the lucky one... Sending my girls to university has become a distant dream...

Frank II 4/24/2008 1:04:48 PM
Another concern is the monopolistic behavior of big corporates. They agree on prices up front and because there is no competition, they can charge whatever they want. Capitalism exploits man's greed and is the only system that works well but these companies (Tiger Brands and others) give capitalism a bad name and turn the masses against it. We do not need people to turn their backs on capitalism and place their hopes on socialism or communism!

DW 4/24/2008 1:05:10 PM
You make no sense. Either we need to export more to sort out our current account deficit or we need to curb exports to provide for ourselves - how do you plan to have it both ways?

Earning in Pounds 4/24/2008 1:08:02 PM
Why all the whingeing? SA is the land of milk & honey, remember? There's no crisis in SA or anywhere for that matter, right? Life couldn't be better under the new government, right? So many of you are "proud South Africans" who are quick to tell others who whinge (just like some of you are doing now) to shut up or leave, right? Time to practise what you preach, hey!

DW 4/24/2008 1:09:37 PM
Thanks for putting things into perspective.The South African middle class has some of the best standards of living in the world and although we really are feeling the pinch, SA has been here before and in the end you will end up spending less because you will have no choice.It is the poor people that I feel desperately sorry for as they have nowhere to turn.How do you cut back when you only get a govt grant to feed 4 kids because your parents have died of AIDS?

Therk 4/24/2008 1:10:55 PM
MDK, be careful of what you wish for. It might come true.

mokganjetsi 4/24/2008 1:12:15 PM
he workhardt what gives man? you tell us inflation is actually 30% and then moan at tito for rising rates. be happy they calculate cpix the way they do because at 30% cpix imagine where interest rates would be. btw, poor old tito has only one instrument in his toolbox and that is rates - a very blunt instrument it is. but long-term sanity is prevailing so you need to cut dstv, eat more pap and swap the V6 double cab for a tazz.

Had enough ... 4/24/2008 1:12:26 PM
The poor are going to suffer even more - losing their jobs due to households/businesses telling the maid, tea lady etc to go - hence no work, no money, no food - INCREASED CRIME!!!! So how do we get this through to the Tito's of the world earning there fat million rand salaries every month

Therk 4/24/2008 1:13:28 PM
The poor and middle class are not the consumers Mr. Mboweni. It is those who have the buying power. The rich. Don't give the entire crowd lashes for the deeds of the few.

GT 4/24/2008 1:14:36 PM
we went shopping in Wellington (W/C) a few weeks ago and saw pickle onions for 79c a kilo. those same onions a week later was priced at R4.35 / kilo... makes a person really wonder what these supermarket giants pay for the goods we buy. It would be nice to have a regulatory body to prevent a further than 20% markup on any basic food item or even less if possible!!

DW 4/24/2008 1:18:15 PM
You want an example - how about Michael Sutcliffe - City "Mis"manager of Durban - he earns more than the president, for goodness sake! And Durban has the highest property rates increase in the country!

Wernardt 4/24/2008 1:19:41 PM
By the way, please don't take News24's title for my article "I can't afford to live" out of context. There are plenty people who earn no income and face real starvation every day in this country, so it's not about being ungrateful. But somebody has to question the ceaseless rate hikes and illogical rubbish they keep spoonfeeding us to make us "shut up and take our medicine" while their fat investment accounts benefit from rising interest rates and they pick up investment property on foreclosure.

TT 4/24/2008 1:20:24 PM
"Say thanks to OPEC thats got the whole world by the balls". Spot on: global warming, food crisis... Anyone seen "Who killed the Electric Car"? Then think of the technology we already have: solar power, wind power, hydroelectricity... We've been screwed by the oil companies!

VG 4/24/2008 1:21:31 PM
No is one being patronising. I said that retailers will have to pass on the MINIMUM of prices, not that they will LOWER prices. And the more you spend on essentials, the less there is for other goodies, forcing other retailers to also cap their prices. You may be struggling, but there are some people who arent.

Emil 4/24/2008 1:22:35 PM
Too late, got a call from the bank this morning, and they are closing the facilities I have with them (althoug not in arrears), and now we are bust. How does that work?

Mark 4/24/2008 1:23:48 PM
I just read that the fuel under-recovery is at 38cents for unleaded and 52cents for diesel.. Factor in the $120 per barrel Oil price and we looking at INCREASES of 50cents for unleaded and 75cents for diesel on 6th of May... MINIMUM people.. MINIMUM! Wonderful..

ondier 4/24/2008 1:32:57 PM
Best of luck to you in the UK. I really hope you will be earning above £30K, otherwise you will be in the same situation as in SA. This is a global issue. Food prices in the UK have spiralled over the past few months, people are losing their jobs etc. The "credit crunch" will hit us all. Hang on... this is going to be a rough ride.

David 4/24/2008 1:33:36 PM
"So what "demand" exactly is Tito trying to curb?" Come on, be a little creative. In spite of the difficulties, millions are still spending on things like pay-TV (e.g. DSTV), holidays (see the traffic again last hols?), booze, smoking, private domestic help, high-definition TVs, DVDs, going out, takeout, jewelry, bigger houses and fancier cars than we need (yes, really), more clothes than we need, and so on. I've never met a person, however poor, who had NO room to trim unnecessary expenses.

GT 4/24/2008 1:35:21 PM
If I tighten my belt any more my spine is going to snap!!

Observer 4/24/2008 1:39:56 PM
How is it possible that companies such as Clicks and Pick n Pay can post record profits in this economic climate while South Africans on average live way below the bread line!

luke 4/24/2008 1:42:10 PM
Clearly you have not travelled very far outside wonder land

wishing well 4/24/2008 1:46:44 PM
The price difference between mid & end of month is sickening. NEVER specials on basics. Bread scandal? Prices the same but the govt added millions to their coffers with a 'fine' to the offending company. Retailers spend billions on advertising (which their suppliers pay for)instead of giving consumers real value. The savings on the few specials on offer won't add up to the transport costs of getting to them. Only downhill from here...

FBI 4/24/2008 1:46:50 PM
I had to cancel my garden service, doing it myself now. Had to cancel my domestic worker who I had for years, couldn?t afford her anymore, doing it myself. Cancelled my Telkom phone, only use pre-paid cellphone, stopped the DSTV. Started a lift club and cut down on food and other luxuries. Still don?t have enough and use my credit card for basic things I usually paid cash for. What more can I do!!!

Al 4/24/2008 1:55:57 PM
Unfortunately certain things will have to go. No more maids, garden services, fixed line telephone, DSTV, taking your car to the car wash, eating out less, etc,etc. If everyone does this, imagine the possible unemployment that will be created!!

DW 4/24/2008 2:00:52 PM
I agreed with every word you said...until your last sentence. You are talking about middle class, employed people. Give a thought to the thousands living in squatter camps who beg on street corners for a living or rely on government grants. If you think they have room to trim unnecessary expenses you should try to live in their shoes sometime. Realistically there is going to be even more crime in this country as desperate people wont have any other choice.

Eat more 4/24/2008 2:03:38 PM
This is the fraw of a free and democratic world (not that it isnt the best at the moment)...People have the right to deside what to do with the food they produce.With the oil price so high it is more profitable for farmers to sell their crops as bio-fuel than as food,thus starving the democratic world of food.Countries like China (comunist) however have plenty of food as they can control what is prodused to the need of their country...

Matrix 4/24/2008 2:04:19 PM
LEN, Any income they get for a contracted / agreed job that exceeds their capability. Also, can e-mail you what many of them (not names, but post grades) get. Saliem, You must have a degree in econimics according to the statements you make, but you must READ my previous statements to put my comments into perspective. One option is to outsource to competent private enterprise. They WILL do a better job. Narrow perspective??? I think not! You are the one that refuses to considder alternatives!

DW 4/24/2008 2:06:55 PM
These companies work on a GP%.This means if they pay R1 and have a GP% of 20% they sell it for R1.20 and make 20c profit.But if they now pay R2 for it and make a GP% of 20% they sell it for R2.40 and make 40c profit.They are the ones who benefit the most from inflationary increases because they refuse to cut their margins as this affect their share price and make their shareholders very unhappy.This is why Tito pushes up interest rates.If demand falls they HAVE to cut their margins or lose busnss

Luzuko 4/24/2008 2:14:31 PM
You probably have 2 financed cars parked in your garage and above all a big house to match your fleet. Oooh how can I forget those big Flat LCD TVs, expensive electrical appliances, fine furniture to match and that international holiday you take once/twice in a year, etc. eissh!

Wernardt 4/24/2008 2:17:58 PM
Mokganjetsi, I'm not even going to respond to your criticism of an argument based on assumptions of my lifestyle. (I don't have DSTV, by the way. In fact, I don't have a TV). David, so let's say these millions who spend on booze and HDTV stop spending on those things. How does this make PnP/Checkers/Shoprite lower their prices on food? People still need to eat. My point is NOT that we CANT curtail luxury spending, my point is that it ISNT luxury spending that's driving basic foodstuff inflation.

greggo 4/24/2008 2:18:50 PM
If anybody wants to know what will happen if Tito does not increase rates to contain inflation, take a look North.

boer 4/24/2008 2:51:46 PM
We need to spend less on imported goods. All local goods just go around a circle, from business, to owner/employer to business. The more the rich spend on local, the better for companies, and the more they can pay their staff. I work overseas, and I bring millions home that I spend over here in SA. Hope I can do my bit for the rest in RSA. I even pay my zim housekeeper more than double the normal rate. She can WORK!!!!!

Wernardt 4/24/2008 2:55:02 PM
Thanks for tainting an economic debate with a prejudiced comment that smacks of racism and ignorance. If you supplied reasons for your assumptions, I could perhaps avoid repaying you by assuming that you think I lead such a lifestyle because I'm white. Please read my previous comment and then refrain from making any more irrelevant and inaccurate remarks.

LvH 4/24/2008 3:17:46 PM
Zimabwe's problems has more to do with a man man running the country down than the policy of suffocating people whose needs are food and shelter. So, we increase interest rates and increase poverty, how different is that from the North?

Len van Heerden 4/24/2008 3:23:33 PM
Original statement: "Also look at the exorbitant incomes of officials" The president's salary is not a benchmark. He has allowances that Suttcliffe would get including free transport, free accomodation, free food, free clothing, etc. again, this does not answer the question. email is lenand@mweb.co.za

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