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2008-11-26 09:08

Chris Roper

Put the words "fornicate" and "Jesus" into a search engine, and you'll be amazed at what pops up. Before you think this is just gratuitously insulting, or just plain weird, let me hasten to explain that I was trying to find a story I read yesterday, about a pastor who urged his flock to have seven days of "congregational copulation".

I eventually found the story in the Most Popular block on News24 (yes, I was surprised too). Basically - and I won't spend too much time précising the story, since it had over 20 000 reads by time of writing this column, which means you've all read it - an American pastor told his congregation to stop whining about the economy, and to have a bunch of sex instead. I guess the underlying message was, since America is fucked anyway, you might as well get some of it.

Pastor Ed Young is from Texas (home of the longhorn, coincidentally), and his church is the incredibly aptly named Fellowship Church. I have a soft spot for Pastor Young (No! Get off! Not that kind of soft spot, Ed!), because he's a religious leader who knows how to use the internet.

It's refreshing to come across a pastor (again, not in that way) who has a decent, updated blog. In SA, fringe religious groups spend a lot of time decrying the interweb as dangerous ("Bad! Evil! The interweb eats children! While Paris Hilton watches and laughs! Laughs, I tell you!!?), instead of using it for good. There are exceptions, of course. But hell, they're boring, so they have no place in this column.

There's a blog entry where Pastor Young describes how he and Lisa have dropped the ball (note use of singular) on this one a little, because of having to travel to Johannesburg. What, you've never heard of the Mile High Club? Mind you, if you're a pastor, at around 35 000 feet I guess you're a little too close to heaven to be entirely comfortable shouting out "Oh god!"

Good on you

But enough poking gentle fun (boy, the puns never stop on this page) at Pastor Young. His heart's in the right place, and his message makes sense on three levels. It's a good Christian message, it's a good human message, and co-incidentally it got Pastor Young a lot more sex last week. It's the other search engine results that intrigued me.

Google reminded me of a Christian cult called the Children of God. Based on Matthew 4:17, its leader used to send women out to be "flirty fishers" of men. In other words, to seduce men for the cult. According to that wacky Wikipedia, the women, referred to by the cult as "God's whores" or "hookers for Jesus", would get scored on how many "fruits" they managed to pluck.

Not those sort of fruits, silly - this was strictly heterosexual proselytisation, and the women, who kept score, managed to fish more than 223 000 men in 10 years. Ha, so much for Pastor Young's measly Seven Days of Sex. Women who objected were "reminded that their body didn't really belong to them as according to 1 Corinthians 6:19-20 it had been 'bought' (by Jesus through his crucifixion) 'with a price'."

Sick stuff, but as Pastor Young, rather more benignly, has found out, sex sells. Hell, sex can even sell celibacy, that's how effective it is. The good pastor is perhaps being a little disingenuous (or "lying", as secular people would term it), when he writes "The amount of press this challenge has gotten over the last several days has been a little surprising."

Sure, Ed, sure. You told your congregation to fornicate for Jesus, and you thought no-one would notice. I can believe that.

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  • fnd 11/26/2008 9:37:21 AM
    They 'will be preaching at the Rivers Church in Sandton this coming weekend'. (South Africans' chance to join in the fun, but we get the discount version - only two days.)

    TB 11/26/2008 9:47:30 AM
    Me thinks there are a lot less "long horns" left in Texas after this week.

    Very Disappointed 11/26/2008 9:49:25 AM
    Dammit our local chapter of the slutty fish must all be hell bound ... haven't had ONE nibble! Nice article Chris, yes that article did get my attention for a while ... what was even more interesting were some of the redneck comments "Devilish" etc didn't know that word was ever used outside of Salem! :-)

    LoudP 11/26/2008 9:55:06 AM
    Incidently, it was his wife's idea to have sex for seven days in a row.

    Freddie 11/26/2008 9:56:24 AM
    Just as I thought. The worlds view on sex is something that happens Hollywood style, between unmarried people and porn style humpin. What Ed is trying to get through to people is the joy and fullfulness of sex WITHIN the marriage that is sacred, beautifull and...nice. He is empowering married couples to enjoy each other as the Bible says we must. So why not encourage it. I support it and agree with him.

    Les-Maada 11/26/2008 9:58:52 AM
    Sydicate? Mafia? Heck, can't find a word suitable for the latter!Tons & tons of scandals of which sex is the top of the list lies beneath this religion's foundation!!Telling the truth in this structures can indeed set one free, free from the living if u know what i mean!I thought Jesus was all about the Truth & nothing but the truth so help me God!

    Dominique 11/26/2008 10:04:42 AM
    Hi Chris, It's not fornicating if the couples are married. He states that he was referring to married couples. It amazes me how so many people focus on the words "pastor" and "sex" so they make up their own conclusions. He never suggested that everyone have sex, ONLY married couples and there's definitely nothing wrong with that!

    Nando Pinto 11/26/2008 10:09:48 AM
    I would just like to find out where exactly this pastor told his flock to fornicate. I thought that he gave them a sex challenge, within the boundaries of marriage. And why must things always be thrown out of context in ant attempt to make Christian leaders look bad. Are things so quiet at work that we have nothing better to do? Sex is a gift from God for Marriage! So if you married believe it or not, you are supposed to have sex, and lots of it. Go forth and multiply married people. LOL

    MJ 11/26/2008 10:13:40 AM
    Simply because a guy calls himself a pastor and uses the name of Jesus and uses verses from the Bible (used out of context) does not mean he represents christianity at all. "By their fruits you shall know them".

    JP Strauss 11/26/2008 10:21:49 AM
    Having lots of sex will most definitely bring you and your wife closer, strengthening the relationship ties and will make the families stronger. Nice.

    George 11/26/2008 10:27:16 AM
    he didn't encourage his congregation to "fornicate for Jesus". He encouraged sex within the boundaries of marriage, which would be inline with his Christian beliefs re: sex & marriage. Fornication is outside of that

    cos 11/26/2008 10:29:57 AM
    You really are a pathetic excuse for a journalist. This article is rubbish! Either you cant read properly or you just read what you want to or you deliberately mislead your readers! To say that a Pastor told his congretation to "Fornicate for Jesus" is disgusting - you are a disgrace. Never heard of Pastor Ed before today but I read the article about the Pastor -he was talking to married couples- thin line between sensationalism & lies & you crossed it just to attack Christianity & get a laugh!

    IMO 11/26/2008 10:43:03 AM
    Dude, you just made my week!

    Luca 11/26/2008 10:45:05 AM
    If we're enough to read news24, I am sure we're intelligent enough to pick out the witty use of The Pun. Pointing it out yourself just seems to imply the reader is too dof to do so his or herself. Other than that, I love your columns :)

    chops 11/26/2008 10:46:32 AM
    I'm a Christian and I had a good chuckle at this. I think the pastor's message is taken a bit out of context though! He certainly didn't advocate sex outside of marriage. Also, the cult mentioned at the end - why is it called a Christian cult? It certainly has nothing to do with Christianity.

    wendy 11/26/2008 11:15:46 AM
    Ah gee, my reply not appeared yet. In short - I support Pastor Ed Young and watch his talk everytime I can. Chris, maybe you should do the same and you may get the message first hand. Much is lost in translation from the original source. Try attending Rivers this weekend. Lovely venue and very uplifting

    Giant Panzy 11/26/2008 11:18:49 AM
    fornicate for Jesus? I guess that was satrical as well hah ne? I thought you said you READ the article, clearly not.

    Silo's 11/26/2008 11:21:09 AM
    it's nature at its best,there is no time for it to be done,as long as it's an agreement.

    CC 11/26/2008 11:26:38 AM
    Phew... loooots of people are hot under the collar over this one. Great column Chris. I think Ed's challenge to marrieds is Brilliant and I think I should challenge my husband...

    fnd 11/26/2008 11:29:53 AM
    I guess that with Christmas round the corner, the pastor's congregation will be lustily singing 'Oh come all ye faithful'.

    Blaza 11/26/2008 11:32:06 AM
    You people bonk all the time and feel good about it yet you go around saying sex is bad, how can something that feels so good be bad ?, those fools who say no sex before marriage don't know what they are missing.

    Rob 11/26/2008 11:39:01 AM
    It would seem that Chris Roper has NO CLUE about what the Bible teaches re: sex, and NO CLUE about about what Ps. Young REALLY said to his congregation and judging by his shameless reference to this being on a par with that 'cult' he apparently has NO CLUE about truth. His article smacks of one who is, how shall I put this (since you enjoy weak puns so much)...'frustrated'.

    Tsotsi 11/26/2008 11:39:54 AM
    For international fame!

    Gazza 11/26/2008 11:45:07 AM
    "boy, the puns never stop on this page"...unfortunately.

    Warren 11/26/2008 11:47:45 AM
    Is it necessary to have the word "fucked" in the column. Pretty sure you will not post this comment because it has the word in it so why publish a column with the word in it?

    Keith 11/26/2008 11:48:37 AM
    Paster Young was not advocating fornication, he was advocating sex between husband and wife.

    Down to earth 11/26/2008 11:49:37 AM
    It always strikes me how quickly people can add tails to a story or use selective facts only. How many people of the press actually heard the entire sermon; hence, how many of them can draw a meaningful conclusion or make sensible comments on the sermon. None, I suspect. And then there is this column. What is happening in the world? Writing a column of such standards as to include swearing and repetitive - seemingly humourous - puns is really silly. Come on people, try and improve yourself...

    William 11/26/2008 12:06:44 PM
    Well said Nando!

    Rodders 11/26/2008 12:18:37 PM
    It's always nice to hear someone preaching the kind of gospel I can go for -- after all, as a Pagan I believe that sex is one of the greatest ways of worshipping the Goddess! or to put it in the words of the Gospel According to George Michael: "Sex is natural, sex is good -- not everybody does it, but everybody should!!"... Peace people, enjoy the seven days...

    Werner 11/26/2008 12:19:30 PM
    Great Idea! When is this pastor coming to my church? hehehe

    Benzo 11/26/2008 12:36:54 PM
    and should be kept very much alive within each marriage. Prostitution exists because a.o. not all couples enjoy each other as they should but......sex remains nice, even outside marriage. The pastor is certainly on the right track in trying to beat the Victorian minds out of his flock.

    Kasy Aboo 11/26/2008 12:37:24 PM
    You all have missed the point totally.What is wrong with a husband and wife having sex its the normal thing to do its just that the world has cloned us into thinking things differently about sex.Yes I will definately want to to have sex with my wife 7 days actually every day of the year to be honest.This is only going to strengthen the relationship. Why don't you visit Rivers Church this weekend and hear what he has to say. Quote " Be quick to listen and slow to speak."

    Win 11/26/2008 12:37:58 PM
    Can I find this church????:-)

    Kasy Aboo 11/26/2008 12:43:34 PM
    Sad to see the level some journalist stoop to just to get an article onto a website. Why has there been lots of key information about this article left out.Spin Doctors of note

    Steve 11/26/2008 12:46:31 PM
    ..the swinger party I'm going to on Sunday in Pretoria was out of the ordinary. Damn. Note to self: Must go to church more often.

    Pompstasie 11/26/2008 12:48:50 PM
    There's nothing wrong with having sex for 7 days in a row, myself and my girlfriend does it every week, sometimes more than once a day. We enjoy porn style humping, no problem with it. it adds adventure and fun, and we do go anyway, anytime, anywhere. This myth that sex must be once a week, in the evening, in the bedroom with man on top is crap. Have you ever tried the kitchen, living room, garage, backyard or at the CTICC. There's nothing wrong with good clean fun

    Rob 11/26/2008 12:50:21 PM
    Do your research before you make statements like you just have. The incompetence of a journalist once again distorts a message. If you don't know anything about a topic then don't write on it.

    CapeTownJunk 11/26/2008 12:53:52 PM
    This is nothing more than a gimmick, designed to get more coins into this pastor's collection plate. Luckily for him, the gullible flock will heed his call like lambs to the slaughter, and he'll fleece them while he's ramming his mutton down their woolly-minded throats. Baaah!

    Eric Hamner 11/26/2008 1:04:52 PM
    I am a Texan living in South Africa - sometimes I glance at your articles - only glance because you write nothing but crap.

    Ariel 11/26/2008 1:08:31 PM
    I think people should do their research properly before throwing around wild and loose comments. The Pastor never suggested that everyone in the church should fornicate, if you don't know the meaning of the word "fornicate", a dictionary might come in handy. He encouraged the MARRIED people in his congregation to take on the challenge and there's nothing wrong with that, because sex is holy and beautiful within the boundaries of marriage and God expects married people to enjoy each other.

    ia 11/26/2008 1:40:20 PM
    God gave Ed the wonderful gift of really connecting with an audience and getting the message across in a fun, relevant and interesting way!We have been listening to Ed's podcasts, sermons, tv appearances (CNBC) and reading his books for 4 years now and it has done so much for my marraige, my relationships and daily life as a Christian. Ed is inspiring and I thank God for a man like him. Rather than taking this completely out of context-do yourself a favour and log on to www.edyoung.com

    Thanatos 11/26/2008 2:00:44 PM
    MJ, comment when u're informed about what this pastor did...it was as biblical as it comes. The problem is that Christianity has so demonized sex that even those within the confines of marriage have lost sight of the sacredness of sex...the Bible is clear that sex within the confines of marriage is part of the bond of matrimony, and yet this is often where Christian marriages fail by one denying the other rather than honouring each other...pop into www.themarriagebed.com for some sage advice

    ss 11/26/2008 2:19:39 PM
    Oh Chris you are a "kinda-sweet-hooligan", always on to something :-) you make me smile.... Have a good afternoon!

    Koos Kombuis 11/26/2008 3:08:56 PM
    Come again...?!!

    Toe 11/26/2008 3:58:35 PM
    WOW! What a Pastor! he is right and Chris pliz read and understand that article, He Pr Young is encouraging MARRIED couples to engage in Sex more. As a Pr he knows that Sex is for married pple as God commands outside that its not accepted. You need to understand scriptures Chris and get married too and enjoy the bliss. Ha! Ha!

    Trev 11/26/2008 4:37:26 PM
    the christian folk all work up,seems so such a easy thing to do. All you have to to is utter something about christianity and they get all flustered but let them attack something they believe is un-christian then they are right. Great column Chris, had a good laugh.

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