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Teachers are powerless

2008-03-13 11:03

Dear Editor,

I would just like to express my disgust at the article relating to the Grade 8 boy being beaten up in school by a Matric student. What is going on in schools that Matric pupils feel the need to beat up innocent younger boys in order to make themselves look cool?

Not to mention the fact that other pupils are filming it, or even the fact that the only response the principal can give is that a case should be opened with the police? Why can't schools protect their pupils against other pupils?

Surely, when parents drop off their children at school, they should be able to feel comfortable with the level of safety at the school? If children are forced to spend their day within the school yard, then it should be the schools responsibility to protect these children.

There must be enough teachers in school to patrol the school yard during break periods. I find it ridiculous that teachers spend break time in the teachers' lounge, while pupils are being beaten up on the playground.

Most professionals get an hour lunch break as from 12 or 1, so then why should teachers get a break if a school day only lasts half a day? So maybe if the teachers spent the break time patrolling the school yard, this kind of thing won't happen.

The response that the principal gave regarding this issue is also unacceptable to me. How can no action have been taken against this Matric pupil? Surely with video evidence, it should be easy to identify this pupil, and I think expulsion is the only way to go. An example should be made of this pupil and a very strong message should be sent to all pupils that that kind of behaviour and violence would not be tolerated.

The schools should be held responsible for incidents like this, and the fact that the principal responds by saying that they cannot help what the children learn at home, is absurd.

Incidents like this not only physically hurt the pupil being bullied, but also do serious emotional damage and we cannot just stand back and let it happen. I agree with the fact that corporal punishment should no longer be used in schools, but when a pupil commits an offence like this, immediate dismissal should be implemented. This should go for all big offences like drug use in schools, rape, and physical assault.

It's time for schools to start taking responsibility for the safety of their pupils, and to act on the total disregard for other people. I appeal to all schools to take a stand, get rid of pupils disrupting classes, assaulting teachers and beating up of other pupils. If such offences become a good enough reason for immediate expulsion, then that might start deterring these kinds of acts.

Let's make schools a safe place for our children to get the education that we as parents pay so much for, without having to fear for their own safety. Let's teach these unruly pupils that violence in schools would not be tolerated, and then maybe that will change the future of South Africa to be more accepting and less violent.

Concerned parent Jacques Smith

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Gary 3/13/2008 11:08:35 AM
You have a government that is denial and never takes action against the criminals with in government, so why should we expect anything more from institutions like schools. It?s the old case of monkey see monkey do.

MP3 3/13/2008 11:16:36 AM
well if your kid was taught manners in the first place such an incident would never occur. maybe parents should stop acting like children and lead by example. but yes, lack of action from the school principal indicates that he thinks this behaviour is acceptable and possibly even agreeable.

Nick 3/13/2008 11:17:07 AM
Kids have been in fights at school for centuries, unfortunately boys will be boys and there is always a winner. The bigger issue is that there is no more real discipline at school and kids don't learn about being accountable so moral lines a frequently crossed. No accountablity means no respect for authority. Kids should stand up for themselves.

?! 3/13/2008 11:19:01 AM
its not the teachers responsiblity to educate the children with dignity,selfrespect,values & standards!People recording the whole thing?What is wrong with them,is entertainment.They also did not do anything to help.Being a teacher - children spit at you,swear,slap you,degrade you,threaten you - detention does not help.Lets blame everybody but ourselves.Take responsiblity.

M 3/13/2008 11:19:27 AM
It's obvious to me that you don't work in a school, or you'd know the mountains of red tape teachers work with. I work at a primary school. "Immediate Expulsion" does not exist, there are lengthy procedures to be followed according to strict rules by the Department of Education. And teachers do patrol at break times. But it's not like working in an office, where you can go to the toilet or have a cup of coffee whenever you feel like it. Teachers need to be in the classes the whole time!

Bloues 3/13/2008 11:20:04 AM
Ever since "ses van die bestes" got banned, things started to slide ever downwards. When we were in school, we did our homework, didn't talk back at teachers (or hit them), had respect for fellow students / teachers, etc. because we knew otherwise, it was of to the principals office for "6 van die bestes"..... the good old days

John Camp 3/13/2008 11:20:53 AM
When i was in school teachers had a duty roster, there was always at least 2 teachers on duty during break time. As a scholar we respected our teachers therefore we wouldn't fight. Bullying is a disgusting act of cowardice and unfortunately it can ruin a kids life if it's allowed to persist. Teachers seem to have either lost there powers or are too afraid to act.

bokkie 3/13/2008 11:22:30 AM
Sorry buddy but you cannot simply lay this at the door of the school and then glibly insist that it is their responsibility - your agrgument is flawed. Firstly, teachers do not stop working when the kids go home - when do you think they prepare, mark assignments, etc. Hence, prefects, learner councils, etc. Secondly, do you think that bullying stops in the schoolyards? Finally, it is the parents of the bullies who must ultimately be held accountable!

CT Boykie 3/13/2008 11:22:47 AM
Bullying in schools is not a new phenomenon, but the savagery accompanying the current violence in our schools is a direct result of forced integration by the ANC regime. STOP THE HATE --- SEPARATE!

Libembe 3/13/2008 11:23:32 AM
I feel your pain and will be angry too, however these kids threaten and physically abuse the same teachers and principals. You blame everything on the teachers, how about school governing bodies, what if the culprit is your child? The same parents who blame the schools are the same who buy cell phones and do nothing when culprits are their own kids. Let's own-up to our responsibilities and stop blaming the whole world

Also a Parent 3/13/2008 11:24:01 AM
although it is the parents' responsibility to teach his child manners, respect for others etc, they can't be with the kids all the time, teachers should start DOING THEIR ROUNDS again like in the good old days. Why can't they do BATHROOM DUTY and SCHOOL GROUND duty as in the past? It worked wonderfully, and there were less crimes on schoolgrounds - a bully now and then hit someone, but not close to the violence learners experience now!!

Concerned Parent 3/13/2008 11:24:15 AM
After reading this article, my stomach had completely turned. My son, who is still in primary school is already affected by bullies. Teaching them now that violence is wrong is the only way they can carry it forward to high school. Once the mind thinks that violence is the way it is very difficult to un-train it.

ant 3/13/2008 11:24:34 AM
You have teachers having sex with underage pupils in Mphumulanga. The system has collapsed. How about another change in the ministery. Maybe we can try Charles Ngacula as minister of education (he he he) (sort out the criminals in school)he he he he.......

italic_s 3/13/2008 11:25:42 AM
Jacque, you?ve not been to some of the ?rougher? schools have you? Often it is the teachers that need protection from the kids, who bring drugs, knives and even guns to school. Yes, it is very easy to say "It's time for schools to start taking responsibility for the safety of their pupils" and ?let?s make schools safer for out children?. The truth of the matter is however that some of the kids are just plain thugs and the school and it's teachers are powerless to do anything about it. School is not the same as back in the day when you back-chatted a teacher and it was straight to the principles office to earn your strips. Now schools can't touch kids. It's even difficult to kick them out even if they have been blatantly caught on security cameras stealing and vandalising school property.

Parent 3/13/2008 11:26:58 AM
MP3, nonsense man, what if your kid was the VICTIM? Does that mean YOU did not do your job at home? It means someone else's parents didn't to their job at home, so your kid should suffer? Kids are kids, there will be conflict, CONTROL AND MANAGE IT!

Big R 3/13/2008 11:27:06 AM
Isn't this what the pupils are taught in the general SA? Violence!! I say, teach your boy or girl to fight back and fight dirty! I will then fight the parents in the courtroom! Sick and tired of this SA!!!

Not a teacher 3/13/2008 11:29:25 AM
then 'immediate expulsion' should be brought in to teach violent children a lesson. Then all principals and teachers should write letters/proposals whatever to the Dept of Education to open their eyes on this issue, you can't just say "teachers can't do something"! Most of these things happen in BREAK time, do your duties - take turns with other teachers!

Godfrey 3/13/2008 11:31:04 AM
Does it mean the incident at UFS should also be blamed on govt, or like mp3 says if kids were taught manners these things would not happen?

Barry 3/13/2008 11:32:38 AM
I really have a lot of sympathy for teachers, but even they should stand together and stop feeling sorry for themselves. They keep on blaming the kids parents and this and that and never stand together and try and find a solution, it is easier to ATTACK the pupil and his parents instead of looking for a possible solution for this kind of problem!! Stop looking for excuses, find solutions TOGETHER with kids, with their parents and authorities!

Italic_s 3/13/2008 11:32:54 AM
Though I do agree, these thugs should be immediately dismissed. Only problem is that it is not going to happen. The truth of the matter is that the kids have the run of the place and why not? They know the teachers can do nothing, they can not touch them, fail them or expel them. "Education" is becoming a joke.

Sizwe 3/13/2008 11:33:22 AM
You are 100% correct! Spare the rod and spoil the child! In every country where corporal punishment has been abolished, the standards of behaviour in schools has dropped to an all-time low. Did no one in government investigate this before they introduced the ban on corporal punishment? What do these ANC Fat Cats do when they spend our money on official overseas trips? Shopping a la Phumzile?

teacher 3/13/2008 11:34:39 AM
As a teacher, we still do the break rounds you say are non- existent. And as for the comment about teachers only working half day, i think you should go and see what a school teacher does in a week of teaching and then maybe you could adjust your article to reflect a true day in the life of a school teacher. Children are as they always have been.

Martin Radebe 3/13/2008 11:35:08 AM
Re-calling that few months ago Ms Naledi Pandor released a(Bill of Resposibilities)not Sworne Satement, and people where having a fit now that this action are being published you get to be concerned.When gorvenment gets tough on this kids it's blamed when they are soft they are blamed, what is it really that they have to do?Charity begins at home, parents must take responsibility of their childrin's actions.

Concerned Too 3/13/2008 11:36:17 AM
happy slappy _ concerned parent -- I taught my kid the same, that violence is not the answer. He always came home from creche and school with bitemarks, bruises, scratches -- never defended himself, so how does that help him? I can't teach the other parents' child to behave can I? The TEACHERS should SUPERVISE - end of story -- and if you don't want to do that - find another job!!

Liz 3/13/2008 11:36:18 AM
Why has the department of education scraped the old system? I dont believe in slaping any child around but I do believe in warnings and then a smack, it never harmed me. I am awell disaplined S.A. citizen!!!

Help is needed 3/13/2008 11:39:18 AM
should give teachers more power. Make the rules stricter for CHILDREN at schools and ensure that the teachers are fair! Nobody asks teachers to teach your child manners, but to punish him if he doesn't behave. They should though have the powers from the DEPT who currently makes it difficult for teachers to expel a child who is out of control!

mikehunt 3/13/2008 11:41:57 AM
It is unreasonable to expect teachers to be everywhere. How about installing cctv cameras around schools - particularly in areas that are known trouble spots? This could be used as evidence when nailing errant learners AND their parents. As suggested, corpral punishment is an option in extreme cases. Students must only enjoy the rights enshrined by the constitution, if they behave with comensurate responsibility!

Thokozani 3/13/2008 11:43:03 AM
People should stop blamming children's bad behavior on teachers. Parents are failing to aducate thier children, how much can teachers do. I don't think that's right. Education should begin at home with the parents and worst of all teachers rights have been stripped off.

C.B. 3/13/2008 11:45:10 AM
I can't agree with you more, in the good old days even our parents could give You a GOOD hiding, It's this new Era of No Punishment that Breeds this Hostile New South Africans, What will our Comunity be like in 10-12years when these thugs are in the working Enviroment, The Future Hi-jackers or Murderers,? C.B.

creech 3/13/2008 11:45:36 AM
Dissipline starts at home,parents should first of all start educating there kids at home and start showing an intrest in their lives,when I was at school,even the smallest breaking of the rules resulted in me being given a hiding by a teacher,it didnt scar me for live as the goverment would want us to believe,the old saying goes spare the rod and spoil the child,introduce corporal punishment back into our schools and you will see the situation will change.

Sinudeity 3/13/2008 11:46:17 AM
Didn't we have this the other day, respecting someone that is older than you? In all honesty, I dont know what to suggest. Corporal punishment? Parents who need to teach their kids respect?

RustyRose 3/13/2008 11:46:18 AM
You seem to live behind a rock, my friend. Firstly, if the school take any action before the police investigate, there would be MOUNDS of red tape, possibly law suits and all kinds of lovely things. Secondly, teachers are often confronted with drug using student, knife carrying gangsters, and if not, parents that think teachers should learn their children respect, and in turn they will make their life harder by making silly statements like the one you are making!

ian 3/13/2008 11:46:18 AM
With the current bunch of "role models" the kids have to look up to it's no wonder this is happening.I'm sure it won't be long (if not already)before a grade 5 pupil will be able to buy a matric certificate. Imagine how clever our kids wiil be! NO LAW,NO ENFORCEMENT

Dillon 3/13/2008 11:47:27 AM
Teachers can barely comfort a child without having to fear a disciplinary hearing, how are they then expected to maintain dicscipline? Discipline starts at home. If my child is naughty, she will be punished - the punishment will suite the 'crime'. If she doesn't do her chores, she won't get pocket money. If she purposefully kicks the cat, she'll get a hiding.

sibu 3/13/2008 11:51:21 AM
the day they stopped thrashing these kids at school, thats when everything went wrong.the only way to stop this carnage in schools is give back authority to the principals to bliksem whoever is out of line. my son is very well mannered is very respectful and is generally a well behaved boy but he knows that when some bully messes with him, he takes him the f... out. period doesnt matter what grade they're in!! its the only way cause you get these parents that are breeding thugs and hooligans.

Dawid 3/13/2008 11:51:22 AM
Bring it back, once you give teachers the authority to give the kids a nice hiding on the bum (for a boy) or on the finger tips (for a girl) again, the schools will not get any better, but worse. There is a reason it use to work so well, and that is cause you learned your lesson

Llewellyn Kriel 3/13/2008 11:52:41 AM
In 2002 an article I submitted was published in the Scotland Herald & read: "The reluctance of the ANC to deal with ill-discipline at all levels continues to create a climate in which violence, disdain for law & order & disrespect for authority figures, even in schools flourish. Indeed, the cowardice within its own ranks - which many believe underpins the rampant corruption, nepotism & fraud - serve as strident examples of a philosophy of 'anything goes'. This will worsen."

Renier 3/13/2008 11:53:10 AM
That is funny is the fact that you have no idea that you are talking about. Teachers first of all do not work half day my wife is a teacher and comes home the same time I do. Teachers need a break just to coupe with the admin work they need to do. I challenge any one to go to a school in break and see if teacher are sitting around doing nothing. Get your facts straight before you make a fool of your self. OOPS TO LATE

CB 3/13/2008 11:54:31 AM
At least some of you had the previledge to attend school were teachers had to do rounds patrolling the school yards. During my years of schooling nothing of that nature happened. Children were taught discipline from home and when a child would come home and complain about a teacher flogging them, the parents would extend the flogging. Parents these days are just as spoilt as their children. Want everything on a silver platter. Teach your own children manners and respect.

WifeIsATeacher 3/13/2008 11:54:46 AM
My wife is a teacher in primary school. I hear horror stories every day of my life.Schools can't do ANYTHING to a child anymore. The children don't care. You phone the parents, and they just shrug it off. Parent don't CARE at all. They would rather blame the teacher than their precious child. Bring back corporal punishment.. and you would see how these little brats fall into place.

kolobe 3/13/2008 11:55:15 AM
Is it not fuuny that you say teachers are powerless but then you say corporal punishment should not be reinstated??then you suggest that we should rather dismiss young children from schools..children deserves to be taught and a little rod will go a long way in achving this..

Mark 3/13/2008 11:55:27 AM
It makes me wonder how many of the people who are stating that the schools are not responsible have kids themselves. That being said I do not feel that it is the schools responsibility to teach respect. My view is that I pay a lot of money for my kids to attend the school they go to and therefore the school is responsible for the wellbeing of my kids whilst on their premesis. Bring back corporal punishment. This crap never happened when I was in school.

Rob 3/13/2008 11:56:02 AM
I wish there was still something like immediate expulsion. I know of a situation where kids have been disrupting a class for 3 years and nothing has been done. They talk about the right of a child to get and education, what about the right of the child that wants an education, but disruptive kids in the class is preventing them from getting the education. I think that they should expell kids for violence immediately and for disruptive children it should be 3 strikes your out.

Libembe 3/13/2008 11:57:07 AM
Seeking attention my friend? Please not at the expense of our kids. Bullies exist anywhere and have always been there. Bullies don't care who they fight i.e. black or white and for your information, here in JHB most of our school kids do not see colour and they befriend each other like brothers and sisters

ebony 3/13/2008 11:58:25 AM
teachers should not be blamed for what our kids have turned into.charity begins at home,parents are failing to discipline their own children and expect teachers to do that for them.please wake up, kids of today are rude,lack discipline and are very violent.my mother is a teacher and if she had it her way she would resign soley because of spoilt brats.

K 3/13/2008 12:02:00 PM
Bring back corporal punishment! These kids need to be sorted out and taught a lesson. Bullying has always been around, but it is just getting worse and worse, because of the lack of discipline at home and school - and these kids think it's all a big joke - not realising the damage they are actually doing! What I find even more disgusting is that these kids are now hitting their teachers as well, and then protest when they fail because all the decent teachers have left the country!

Lau 3/13/2008 12:02:37 PM
A "wonderful" game that kids think is so "cool" when they "diss" eachother has a lot to do with it, even though meant to be harmless, how can any amount of ego or self-esteem live up to constant sledging by "friends". Kids eventually do take comments to heart and thats when things start going wrong. A person who does not respect themselves has NO respect for others (teachers, fellow students, figures of authority, parents, etc). If I just hear one of my children "dissing" they get a snot klap...

L 3/13/2008 12:03:21 PM
I was taught to respect elders and others when I was growing up - by my parents! No one else had to step in and do the parenting job. It is not up to the teachers to teach kids how to behave. While I do agree with you Jacques, that steps need to be taken to ensure the safety of our children, these kids should NOT be scared of each other. Punishment should fit the act - bullying to that extent = expulsion! A "good talking to" is obviously getting us nowhere.

Realist 3/13/2008 12:04:01 PM
In part your statement is true, teachers cannot just stand back and expect nothing to happen in schools with a diversity of cultures, different upbringing, respect etc.. However, the blame lies with the parent too but what if that parent doesn't care, is it the school's responsibility to discipline him. Yes and no, since his disruption could impede the other pupils from learning. Steps need to be taken that these incidents do not take place at the school.

Calvin Mkhize 3/13/2008 12:04:53 PM
They beat teachers, fight amongst themselves and record it in their expensive cellphones bought by their daddys & mommys. After graduating, they go to varsities and urinate on food to be passed to the poor cleaners for consumption. Thereafter they take drugs and alchohol at Pubs. Their parents blame the Principal, Police & Government & threaten to immigrate. Spare the rod and spoil the brat. Parental guidance & responsibility is shifted to the moon. Welcome to the new SA.

Worried Parent 3/13/2008 12:05:39 PM
I'm currently a father of 2. My daughter just started Grade R, and I'm really worried of what is waiting for my child when she starts school. How do you prepare your child for what is waiting for them at school. If there are kids that will beat up other kids for money or won't think twice of beating a teacher. Schools should have more power to deal with troubled kids! Children don't respect teachers, since they know they can get away with everything. They are the best manipulators you can get!!

tom 3/13/2008 12:05:48 PM
yes, so he was a good-lookin kid and the envious bully pulverised him. Moral decay, machismo and no discipline. What happens next is this kid brings a knife to school and blades the next bully who messes with him. Columbine in the USA was the same. Those guys were bullied and victimised year after year by jocks, then one day... Iesh, everything's gone to seed.

Oldie 3/13/2008 12:08:59 PM
why are teachers always so defensive? I have not heard of ONE teacher who offers to HELP with violence at schools! They rather play the blame game. Renier, you are making a fool of yourself 80% of teachers do have a half-day job. Maybe they have some papers to do in the afternoons, but don't we all. I see a lot of teachers leaving school when my child leaves his school. And they have private coaches, not teachers for sport lately. Stop feeling sorry for teachers, they should also do their part

Penga 3/13/2008 12:09:50 PM
We have become far too PC - far too concerned with the rights, and not enough about the resposibilities. The gov has tied the teachers & schools hands - there are no real consequences (like 6 of the best) for offenders - just a "you have disapointed us - here's a demerit" which I'm sure strikes fear and respect into these thugs - not. Bring back the cane in a controlled manner - it doesn't have to be used often, just has to be there.

Goodness 3/13/2008 12:11:26 PM
the writer is merely asking for HELP from teachers, not blaming them, stop being so sensitive by protecting the teachers all the time. They have a duty too, you put your children in the care of teachers when you leave them at school, they can't fend for themselves, they are CHILDREN!!!! GOODNESS!

Dave Robbins 3/13/2008 12:12:05 PM
Well then, give them power. And that power used to be corporal punishment. Bring it back! Teach kids that, if they get out of line, they are accountable for their behaviour, and no one else. One whack with a cane used to do that for me!

RK 3/13/2008 12:13:41 PM
4 convicted murderers are walking around waiting for apeal. They killed will they were still learners, and you expect teachers to teach manners to kids. It's the parents jobs to teach that violence is wrong, teachers only help to give specialised education such as math, history and language skills. If parents take responsibility of their charges bullying would decrease substantially.

I know 3/13/2008 12:13:54 PM
yes we do know that you don't do your rounds, because our children are at your schools, and they all say that you don't, so should I take your word against 1200 children? Not so easy in the new SA TEACHER!

MP3 3/13/2008 12:13:55 PM
Did you even bother reading my comment properly? It implied that if your kid beats up another kid. The kid that initiated this situation is the one at fault, geez. Don't even know why I'm explaining this... Thus it is relatively easy to deduce that that kid has no discipline. Generally the one getting beaten up is the harmless one. If my kid was the victim I'd send him to karate classes so that he can defend himself from yr unruly children...

Vernon Lammerding 3/13/2008 12:19:00 PM
These children that cannot be controlled should be kicked out of school and let the parents worry about them. I was brought up with good hidings and am not sorry about it at all. I know who to respect because of that but we have idiots like the Grade 8 pupil that does his own thing because he is allowed to do what wants at home without being reprimanded. The other pupils should have sorted him out because of that incident. Bring back the rod and we will have discipline come back as well.

Dagger 3/13/2008 12:19:41 PM
Bring back the "cane?. The problem with the children starts at home. Maybe if parents start teaching their children respect and discipline we won?t have all these issues

OB1 3/13/2008 12:20:54 PM
Firstly a Teacher's day does not end went the home time bell goes, if you believe that then you're an idiot! Lessons need to be prepared; there are various committees that require issues to be dealt with and planning to be done, there are extra curricular activities after school that need to be taught, there are parents to be met with, assignments and work to be marked...besides even if teachers are on patrol, they can't be everywhere.

John Camp 3/13/2008 12:21:02 PM
Hey Jacques, after reading some of the pathetic responses on this forum it seems the only way to protect our kids from ill disciplined bullies is to go to schools and knock the sh1t out of the purpetrators ourselves. Great way of reasoning isn't it? I think not.

Alicia 3/13/2008 12:27:09 PM
Teachers, you have my undying support. You are, most of you though, trying, with so little in your favour, beurocracy against you, to teach an d raise the children (some so evil) who are supposed to become the leaders of this country. God Save Us. Previously, such horrific stories were unheard of. Discipline was the order of the day, it is the birthright of every child. Without it he becomes an ill disciplined adult and a criminal waiting to happen. Spare the rod, spoil the child...rotten!

Ash 3/13/2008 12:28:58 PM
Its time parents took control of their children! Its not the schools responsibility to teach them to be mature adults. Parents expect everyone else to raise their children & then wonder why the kids don't listem to them anymore. Get a clue Jacques.

OB1 3/13/2008 12:29:32 PM
Let not beat about the bush, your insinuations are that the problems are in traditionally white schools and universities...think again my friend, the problems are with the predominantly black schools, where kids are absolute thugs and gangsters. The incidents you are eluding to are relatively isolated and are the exception more than the rule.

Lee 3/13/2008 12:29:57 PM
Give the school principals the power to punish pupils. At the moment principals seem to be some kind of figure-head of the school with very little power to enforce the rules. A principal's current power extends to suspending a learner for a couple of days. Any child will relish the thought of not having to attend school for a week? How is that punishment?

willow 3/13/2008 12:30:11 PM
Most of the teachers at my kid's school stay LONG after end of school day, they derserve their break as well, and take turns. They are getting parents involved to help with patrol on school grounds. They got the SAPD in to talk to the kids regarding bullying. I also want my child to be safe at school, but i think we all have to pitch in to get a solution for this problem...

Luzuko 3/13/2008 12:32:02 PM
I know it doesn't solve anything but will create more violence outside school yards. When kids want to bleksem each other they can easily do it outside school grounds, where will be the teachers then?

Thokozani 3/13/2008 12:32:26 PM
Parents should stop taking kids to movies as a priority and begin to spend more time with them at home, teaching them values and respect of other people. Family meetings should be encouraged, that's where kids will have achance of voicing thier fustrations, which at this stage is manifesting itself in violence in schools.But most of all stop blaming teachers they can do as much.

Bethuel 3/13/2008 12:37:16 PM
Charity begins at home.let the bullies expelled from school they're dengerous to other kids and send them to correctional school formal stout school.

AnotherParent 3/13/2008 12:43:55 PM
I, as a parent, would be quite happy to sign a document to the effect that the principal can dish out six of the best to my kid if he steps out of line. Why not have canning as an option in school? It would not have to be dished out often/regularly to be a very effective deterent. At this stage there are no consequences for these thugs actions.

Ricky James 3/13/2008 12:47:00 PM
so are you saying you a have a little rod?

DHV 3/13/2008 12:48:29 PM
Calvin, are you suggesting that only white students are bullies at school? My 10 year old daughter at primary school was slapped in her face by a black boy. So dont you dare imply that ony white children are bullies. You're an ignorant fool. Think carefully before you embaress yourself and prove to everyone that your're a stupid racist ;)

Ryan van Wyk 3/13/2008 12:48:37 PM
hahaha yes Calvin! you are spot on! that is exactly how every child is raised now, you have the wisdom of a 6000 year old man, chop

kolobe 3/13/2008 12:49:12 PM
Everything boils back to rights...Once criminals start to have more rights than Civilians, Once Children have more rights than parents,Once children can abort without parents, Once woman have more righst than Men,Once civilians have more rights than the police..then what you get is called South Africa...Oh rights...stupid rights..all this rights are wrongs...

DHV 3/13/2008 12:50:42 PM
Libembe, you say "Let's own-up to our responsibilities and stop blaming the whole world". This is a strange statement coming from someone like you ;)

Graeme 3/13/2008 12:53:20 PM
Bullying, gangsterism, thuggery, drugs, underage sex, absenteeism, intimidation etc. are prevalent and 'accepted' in our schools. No wonder our society is so sick. To say that bullying has always been there is not good enough - these are abnormal behaviours by abnormal people. Because of that, my kids do not go to 'normal' school, do extremely well at their academics, and get to choose the professionally run clubs and sports they wish to participate in.

Sun 3/13/2008 12:58:03 PM
The teacher, principal and parent do not have rights anymore, kids are equal to everybody. The word respect, obey and punishment are an evil in the eyes of the government. It pains me to see grown up, experienced and educated men struggling to find the cause of all the bad behaviour from our kids. The answer is simple and free, et everyone take thie responsibility in our societ, let kids be kids once more.

CB 3/13/2008 12:59:17 PM
Oldies you are bitter towards the teachers and your bitterness is clouding your judgement. How the hell do you expect teachers to lend a helping hand if they are also victims. Must be using your feet to think. I have a 24 year old still staying with me. She is desciplined and during her school days she was taught what respect is towards grown ups. TEACH YOUR BRAT MANNERS AND IN THAT WAY THEY WILL RESPECT OTHERS LET ALONE THE ELDERS. NO WONDER THE UFS INCIDENT. VERY SPOILT LITTLE RASCALS.

Wayne 3/13/2008 1:00:42 PM
O Jacques...catch a wake up!! You are one of thousands of people who don't have a freaking clue what a teacher's job entails. I am married to a teacher, and believe you me, you wouldn't last a week if you tried the job. They not only have to get through the teaching material, but also have to discipline (with the limited power they have these days) and teach the children manners..which should be taught at home..just to have parents treat them with contempt!!

hjs 3/13/2008 1:02:18 PM
Just drive through the old black neighbourhoods in the morning, when children are supposed to be in school, and have a look at the number of kids walking around long after school have started, in uniform, and you will be astounded. Then the issues raised by you, will be minor infringements as far as non existant dissipline goes. Where are the teachers? Still at home, I suppose.

saliem 3/13/2008 1:05:31 PM
Aside from 2 suggestions (cctv & corporal punishment), all that most of us are able to come up with is nonsense. This definitely not going to resolve the problem. How about introducing a de-merit system for defaulters, which punishes both the parents and the brats? Any other CONSTRUCTIVE ideas out there?

2minds 3/13/2008 1:05:35 PM
I suggest kids who do not have an interest academically should be identified and place in surroundings that do interest them. maybe have sports orientated schools or Technical orientated schools. These kids are frustrated and need to focus there attention constructively.

john 3/13/2008 1:06:05 PM
Jacques Smith teachers are not security guards nor trained to apprehend thugs that some of the parents sent to school because they cannot handle thier kids, my Mom is a teacher and its not her job to get in between two students in a knife fight or gun fight try being a teacher and go and listen to what this kids are spitting to teachers in classes and stop acting like you and your kids are holier than thou, i would probably go after anyone's kid who harms my Mother

psycobabble 3/13/2008 1:09:16 PM
go and buy a book called "People of the Lie" by Dr. M. Scott-Peck

Pietie 3/13/2008 1:15:06 PM
I strongly agree with OB1 that a teachers school day does not ends when the school periods end. It is only idiots that think so, and even bigger idiots think it is a teachers work to teach learners manners.

Glenn 3/13/2008 1:15:12 PM
It's not a race related thing as you are trying your hardest to portray but a general South African school problem, take your head out your a** my friend...

DavidD 3/13/2008 1:15:43 PM
They should refer these kids and their parents to a special family court which can impose weekend community service sentences on both. It won't stop this type of bullying but it'll certainly make the parents more aware of their responsibilities.

john 3/13/2008 1:17:34 PM
why shouldn't teachers not be defensive, why should teachers help you to bring your kid with good manners and behavior, why don't parents take responsibility for thier kids violence at school,not all criminals are in prison some of them "criminal" are in schools next to teachers that how dangerous it is nowdays to be a teacher stop running your mouths and get in a classroom and teache kids from, criminal parents,child headed families,ect and you expect teachers sort out all kids issues

Doc Lize 3/13/2008 1:23:08 PM
School violence is an international phenomenon. In Nieu-Zeeland, police have been stationed permanently at some schools to try and curb gang violence and youth crimes.(www.nzherald.co.nz of 16 and 17 February)Parents of both the victim and bully should be made to attend a schoolgoverning body meeting. The bully should then explain why he /she did it and apologise. A fair punishment should then be given (like cleaning up the school yard at the end of breaks under supervision.)

Mick 3/13/2008 1:27:48 PM
I don't think anyone here believes that we will reintroduce corporal punishment - the government thinks we have progressed too much for that kind of behaviour. We need consequences for actions. If you can't hit them, suspend or expel them. They can remain jobless if they don't respect the system. I will still ignore them at the robots until they eventually disappear. If you're lazy to work hard or you don't respect teachers GET OUT! Simple.

john 3/13/2008 1:29:23 PM
just two weeks ago my Mom (teacher) had to handle a posessed kid at her school, unfortunately me and my Mom have different views on certain things maybe because i'm not as experienced as her, if it was up to me i would have left her and her demons alone cruel thing to say i know but the way people are going on about teachers is disgusting why not the parents, i know for a fact that my Mom everyday takes about R100 extra to feed some of your kids yet parents are quick to point thier finger at teac

dd 3/13/2008 1:30:10 PM
M.. If you are a teacher, why do you write on this forum at after 11:00 in the morning? Shouldn't you be teaching

Dawid 3/13/2008 1:35:09 PM
Firstly CT Boykie you've lost the plot. Grow a brain. The parents of violent children are responsible for their behaviour. Parents are there to raise, teachers to educate. Yet for a principle to turn around and say "Not my problem" is weak. The child should be given a final warning, and if he does it again is to be removed permanently. Btw if you want teachers to play guard, remember the grade 8 boy that gave a female teacher a shiner two days ago. Teachers have no more sway in schools.

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