Mbeki slams Tsvangirai: News24: SouthAfrica: News

GT 11/28/2008 12:50:42 PM

Nothing like an african pulling the race card on another african :-))) Clearly he is no longer an honest broker! Mbeki has done enough damage to the region with his "wait and see" politics. We are all best served if he takes a little more time to smoke his pipe and drink his whisky in the comfort of his living room!

Jock 11/28/2008 12:51:47 PM

Mr Mbeki must please explain why Mr Tsvangirai should be satisfied with the wooden spoon seats in parliament, when he actually won the election .....?? Has Mbeki also contracted Mad Bob discease?

Dzvinyangoma Makwasha 11/28/2008 12:56:50 PM

Mbeki is right to criticise Tsvangirai who is refusing to take responsibility in resolving Zimbabwe's longstanding impasse. Western leaning press has regularly given Tsvangirai a blank cheque to grand stand and issue hollow statements without asking him probing questions at all. Mbeki is a mediator and not a judge. Tsvangirai has shown complete disregard of Africa and its institutions even though the reality is that he needs Africa beacuse Zimbabwe is in Africa.

Grant Hofmeyr 11/28/2008 12:59:00 PM

The fact is that MDC clearly won the election (despite ZANU-PF rigging) MDC should be form the new Zimbabwe government. Mbeki has since tried to negotiate the best deal for Mugabe (one of the SADC founders). With his latest letter, Mbeki has lost even more credibility and should be "recalled" once again by the ANC.

Enoch 11/28/2008 12:59:01 PM

Mbeki is the problem. Mugabe and ZANU-PF lost the elections in 2000, 2004 and 2008. But still Mugabe is not condemned for stealing, raping, pilaging, murdering and impoverishing his people. It is acceptable in Africa to do this. I as an African am disgusted with the quality of our leadership. Ian Khama and the late Levy Mwanamasa are the only leaders in SADC who qualify as true leaders. Mbeki, go! Your legacy is a disgrace and a blot on the continent - AIDS, ZIMBABWE, to name just two. HAMBA!

Tom 11/28/2008 1:00:10 PM

It is now becoming patently obvious that Mr Mbeki has no right to act as mediator in this crisis. He criticises Tsvangiri and yet we hear not a word of reproach for Mugabe's blatant destruction of his country. Go write your memoirs you Zanu-PF sycophant!!

Monty 11/28/2008 1:00:31 PM

It is time for him to retire from all politics and step down from mediating in Zimbabwe. The situation was simply too big for him. He lacks the required intellect and the constitution to see it through. Thabo Mbeki doesn't have the balls to be a true African leader, so now he badmouths the Tsvanagrai. Morgan Tsvangarai was elected to power by the people of Zimbabwe, and it's only by utilising games involving Mbeki that Mugabe somehow still clings to power. Thabo Mbeki should admit defeat.

Derek 11/28/2008 1:00:47 PM

Thabo Mbeki should realise that he doesn't have any credibility anymore and no hope in hell to broker a lasting agreement. Under Thabo Mbeki's presidency the situation in Zimbabwe worsened every year until now where we have a country which has been ravaged by poverty, hunger, oppression and the latest Cholera. I don't understand why an educated man like Thabo can't realise that his previous quiet diplomacy and now his mediation efforts isn't working.

citizen 11/28/2008 1:01:05 PM

could not assist in brokering change in Zim with his "quiet diplomacy". What makes one think that he (Mbeki) will achieve anything now? Tsvangirai is quite correct in saying that African leaders are soft. They are all in cahoots with one another. Money and power grabbing despots.

Dave 11/28/2008 1:02:14 PM

I think Tsvangirai has a point, need soemone more neutral. Hats of to Mbeki for trying, but he has done nothing in the past couple of months. Mugabe does not want to give anything away, who is not been fair here? Tsvanirai won the first round, he should be shouting the shots here. The second round was fixed, how can this be free and fair? It's a joke, and Mbeki is making himself look like a clown. Remove the old man from office, it effects us as

EmTee 11/28/2008 1:02:26 PM

We all know that Mbeki is Bob's lapdog. He didn't take action against Bob when he was president, and now he continues to support Bob even though Zimbabwe is falling apart. And he blames the MDC for stonewalling? Mbeki should just move(preferably with Bob) to an active volcanic island).

Jhazzman 11/28/2008 1:03:07 PM

What I find funny, is that no one can see Mugabe is the one that failed Zimbabwe. He should not even be head of Zimbabwe. And for Mbeki to critisize Tsvangirai like that makes me believe that he has been siding with Mugabe all along. It's not Tsvangirai fault Zimbabwe is were it is, it's Mugabe. I would also not like to share power, espcially Home Affairs, with that Criminal. Southern African Leaders have been far to soft with Mugabe over the Years. They Should grow a pair like Botswana.

Phine 11/28/2008 1:05:42 PM

DO Mbeki know that there are people dying of hunger while he is busy with his SCOTSCH AND CAVIAR???????????

OB1 11/28/2008 1:06:53 PM

Wants to play games while ppl in Zim are dying of disease hunger for the sake of political expediency. It is so obvious that Mugabe is offering nothing but token ministries to MDC (who are actually the rightful leaders of that country as decided by its citizens in march). Why should the MDC accept this deal!!? If they do, Mugabe will just continue the way he has for the past decade and more people will die!

Tom 11/28/2008 1:08:11 PM

Thabo is upset because the deal he is trying to broker for Bob... I mean Zim... is got going as well as he thought. Thabo is not the right man for the job. He's loyalty to Bob is too strong. A completely neutral person is required.

Grant Hofmeyr 11/28/2008 1:09:55 PM

The fact is that MDC clearly won the elections (despite ZANU-PF rigging) MDC should form the new Zimbabwe government and SADC should be actively supporting this. Instead, Mbeki has trying to negotiate the best deal for Mugabe (one of the SADC founders). With his latest letter, Mbeki has lost even more credibility and should be "recalled" once again by the ANC.

Ian Rundle 11/28/2008 1:11:12 PM

There was a time - about 7 years ago - where I thought Mr. Mbeki would make a good leader. I have since changed my mind - the manner in which he as dealt with Zimbabwe is despicable and to now even hint that the proposed SADC formula is practical and workable is laughable. Frankly it is time for him to disappear from the Southern African sphere of influence. He is a weak man.

The Truth 11/28/2008 1:11:32 PM

is that Mr.Tsvangirai won the election and should by democratic right not have to barter his way to the presidency,or share power with the loser.Then again our Thabo has a habit of screwing up countries,beginning with his own.

Conrad 11/28/2008 1:15:21 PM

Fact is, Mugabe lost the election, fact is, the country has become a basket case on his watch, fact is, he has run the country like a warlord runs his fiefdom, fact is, Mbeki has shown poor leadership and an allegience to this despot. Morgan should be president and would have been in any other civilised society lead by leaders who have values and knows and understands the differencce between right and wrong!!!

Silver Surfer 11/28/2008 1:15:51 PM

African leaders do NOT have the courage to stand up to Mugabe. How on earth can Mbeki agree to Mugabe being president with Morgan only a PM, when Morgan won at the poles. Simple really, no courage.

Ken Meyer 11/28/2008 1:20:58 PM

Reading this drivel you actually want to congratulate Zuma and Co. for getting rid of this heartless, little, complex-ridden man who STILL does not give a damn about sick and starving people. Mbeki's legacy will be for all time that he actively assisted Mugabe in turning Zimbabwe into the worst basket case of any state in peacetime! In eight years from self-sufficient to complete chaos - well done Mr.Mbeki. Now please go away.

sugartaxi 11/28/2008 1:22:28 PM

Hang in there Morgan! That is what I say.Nobody can hide in the "African leadership club" because most Africans today are being made into a misery by appauling leadership, parties that turn to Communism, where this isn't Asia and definatly not Russia so citizens will be lied to because they are doomed to fail. Even Karl Marx knows that one. Same goes with the ANC. There is not an iota of African in that party. Lest we remove ALL our neighbours.I agree with Mogran, theyre fat cats from RSA.Useless

Tunga 11/28/2008 1:22:34 PM

"Because we do not agree with you on a small matter, you choose to describe us in a manner that is most offensive in terms of African culture, and therefore offend our sense of dignity as Africans," Mbeki wrote. Mbeki is worried about the African culture and the dignity of its leaders whilst people are suffering because of a tired old man the COWARDLY leaders are failing to fuck off. New defination of ignorance anyone

Justine 11/28/2008 1:23:17 PM

So Mbeki does have an opinion? Well well, I suppose its better than nothing, but what a hypocrite for taking Tsvangirai to task about things he has said, but NEVER saying a word about what Mugabe has done. Till today I felt sorry for Mbeki after being forced to step down, but now I seriously do not have the time of day for the idiot. Tsk tsk...

Sidney Meyer 11/28/2008 1:24:09 PM

Mbeki castigates Tsvangirai for ignoring African neighbours' opinions in favour of "others further away, in Western Europe and North America. Didn't the ANC go to these same countries for help to bring down apartheid? And what about Botswana? Mbeki conveniently ignores the fact that the only county in Africa with a real democratic tradition is the greatest opponent of Mugabe. The ANC is busy trying to destroy its own emerging opposition in SA and support Mugabe trying to destroy his.

dave 11/28/2008 1:24:11 PM

Mbeki proved that he is not an objective mediator - Tsvangirai has experinced enough to be right in asking him to be replaced. The question is by whom.

general 11/28/2008 1:24:24 PM

Mr Mbeki please tell the nation why you are treating Mr Mugabe with kid gloves while the legitimate president of Zimbabwe is treated like fool.As far as I am concerned Mr Tsvangirai has a rite to dictate terms as he please becoz he the election.

Iceberg 11/28/2008 1:24:35 PM

Mbeki still does not get it. He has failed Zimbabwe for 10 years. He has failed the millions of HIV sufferers in SA for a decade. He was axed by the ANC. He should get the message and withdraw. Morgan is one of the very few African leaders that has the guts to expose Mugabe for what he is - a ruthless dictator that cares only for himself.

just askin 11/28/2008 1:24:40 PM

if Morgan is expected to share control of the police why is it not expected that mad Bob be forced to share control of defence force and finance? Africa appears to be the only continent where the winner of an election ism the looser in Parliament is this what we can expect from the master of Quiet Diplomacy isnt it time for an Honest broker to be appointed?

Ced 11/28/2008 1:32:27 PM

On the Zim scenario, I still recall the Mbeki headlined response some months back - 'Crises? What crises?'. En kyk hoe lyk hy nou!

Madula 11/28/2008 1:32:52 PM

Did 'the masses' of SA not tell 'no crisis' Mbeki to buggeroff because he lost at Polokwane?? Is 'no crisis' too stupid to understand that 'the masses' of Zimbabweans also told Mugabe to buggeroff. What is it about the Zim elections that the arrogant Mbeki is not able to understand??

Jakes 11/28/2008 1:33:30 PM

I agree, maybe Mr Mbeki needs a looong holiday, far away from anywhere that hard work comes to play.He is only concerned about the fact that "his" peacetalks could end in another failure, as was his presidency....Going nowhere slowly.And I agree,nobody has the balls to stand up against Mugabe, it is a crying shame.

Herman Gibson 11/28/2008 1:34:52 PM

Mr Mbeke was a useless president with no guts and he is even worse when it comes to the issue over Zimbabwe.Damn sure Mr Tsvangirai is 100% correct when he says that the African leaders are all gutless. The world knows Mad Bob is responsible for all Zimbabwes problems, on top of that he lost the election even though his thugs intimidated the voters. Mugabe is a criminal and should be treated as one. Mr Mbeki and the so called African leaders are a joke, and the world have no respect for them.

BigBoer 11/28/2008 1:36:08 PM

I can't believe that he's attacking the legitimate president of Zim in order to defend his friend Bob. His motives are clear now ! The blood of the Zim people must be shared equally between Mad Bob and Terrible Thabo. At times like these I wonder if Zuma will actually be better than Mbeki.

Oom_Kosie 11/28/2008 1:37:23 PM

Mbeki is "President" Mugabe's most fervent supporter these days, it seems. Mugabe did not do anything wrong and won the last election fair and square. That is the dreamworld that comrade Mbeki lives in. WHO CARES IF WHAT TSVANGIRAI SAID WAS "offensive to African culture"??? What Mugabe has done is criminal and bloodthirsty and insane, but at least he does not offend fellow Africans, he just kills them!

Despot 11/28/2008 1:38:59 PM

Mugabe will be remembered as the despot who destroyed his own country to prove it was free, while being defended by a culture that thought criticism of one's elders most offensive.

Francis gumbo 11/28/2008 1:40:27 PM

here is a man who is said to be a mediator and is now attacking one of the negotiators. Give me a break and lets start to be sincere with ourselves in Africa. I think its time SADC owns up and formerly put it that they have failed to setle the Zim case. At least a new way forward can then be sought by the AU with a new and impartial mediator. FXG

jerry 11/28/2008 1:43:24 PM

to former comrades , thats what TM is .why doesnt he as the mediator be more forceful on Mad Bob? his sentence "offend our dignity as Africans " makes me laugh and puke at the same time - what dignity do the suffering Africans of Zimbabwe have under Mugabes rule ? Mugabe must go and Mbeki should go home and smoke his pipe , clearly he is not a mediator,get someone with balls mediate further.

John Camp 11/28/2008 1:45:43 PM

Screw you! Give me/us ONE (just one) good reason why he should seek support from his "african neighbours" You are in bed with Mugabe, you have been all along and always will be. Get this sinister man away from the negotiating table. Tsvangirai mustn't get shafted into some poxy deal that won't benefit ALL Zimbo's.

mandy 11/28/2008 1:46:17 PM

Unfortunately Mbeki is digging his own grave here. The folk that did support him once have now lost respect. What a disappointment for us who still had faith.

Kal-El 11/28/2008 1:48:18 PM

Mugabe murdered, stole from and tortured his own people. He is a dictator who is responsible for the collapse of his own country. But Mbeki had nothing but kind words for him. This has confirmed to me that Mbeki is a piece of *&^% president. He is coward. His legacy is the deaths of 300 000 plus people because of him and Manto's ARV rollout delay.

LM 11/28/2008 1:50:11 PM

blah... blah... blah... I'm so tired of hearing all this negativity on Mbeki - we all know he isn't perfect, just deal with it!!

KtK 11/28/2008 1:51:17 PM

We are so quick to judge Mbeki. Taking action againnst another country is easier said than done. What could have Mbeki done? Send troops to Zimbabwe and take the chance of killing innicent people on the process and start a war just like George Bush. Maybe he could have chriticised Mugabe but than again what would that accomplish? Maybe he should have assasinated Mugabe but that would lead to a civil war. All that I am saying is Mbeki did the right and smart thing. He is a mediator not a dictator.

lm 11/28/2008 1:51:33 PM

blah... blah... blah... So Mbeki isn't perfect - deal with it!!

mlungisi 11/28/2008 1:52:04 PM

It is not true that MDC won the elections, so they are therefore need to have all the power. They won by slight margin and they had to go to the run off elections of which we all know they ignored them. I challenge all people to use their brains and judge based on the facts here. Logically MDC and Zanu PF should share power in all departments, of which Tsangarai refuses to do. He 's action shows that he has no will to serve people of Zim. African leaders resolutions don't make sense to him!

p123 11/28/2008 1:52:42 PM

What is wrong with Mbeki, he is a gutless wonder. How can he expect the MDC to accept a deal that has a tyrannical dictator still in charge? All over the world evil leaders such as Amin, Hitler and recently Hussain get thrown out of office, yet Mugabe gets to stay in power, even after losing his rigged elections. Interesting that the Zuma led ANC is also kissing Mugabe's backside after criticising Mbeki to score cheap political points? and so Mbeki goes back to his usual rhetoric of bashing/blaming the west!

nthatuwa 11/28/2008 1:53:55 PM

Thabo,when I advice a woman on man issues,she often goes and do what suggested she don't.I've thus far learned to stay out of people's businesses and focus on me,especially when my help isn't appreciated.It's clear now that Tsvangirai is after power.He also has very little faith in himself as an African that he seeks help elsewhere.Let him be.It has taken him forever to convince Zimbabweans that he's the alternative to Mugabe.I wonder why the people didn't vote for him like we voted for Mandela?

Dr DoLittle 11/28/2008 1:56:43 PM

Just answer two simple questions. Firtsly, who won the elections in Zimbabwe earlier this year, Mugabe or Tsvangirai? After you have answered that, here is the second question: Why is Mugabe still involved in power sharing talks?

jeffm 11/28/2008 1:57:46 PM

It's bizarre that Mbeki wants to use the so called African values when it suits him.This is a man who in his famous speeches quoted Yates and other great western writers/poets and never took any quote from the myriad of African writers.Self importance is a disease.Why isn't he hanging out somewhere in a retirement home?Everyone knows he failed both as SA president and mediator.MDC won the elections and they should be governing , but somehow that seems to have evaded Mbeki's thinking? It's bizarre

nthatuwa 11/28/2008 1:58:20 PM

Despite what people say,I still regard Mbeki with great respect,just as I do clinton(lol) .I was worried yesterday when I read the article about Tsvangirai wanting Mbeki to step down.I'm glad this article came through to clear what's going on.Most artcles here hardly have both side of the story.Why is that?

Pierre 11/28/2008 1:58:24 PM

I find it difficult to follow Mbeki's logic. He seems to blame Tshangarai for refusing to be subordinate to Mugabe. Surely he should consider the fact that the MDC won the parliamentary vote and the presidential vote and would in all probabilty won the run off election if Mugabe had not instigated violence. Under the circumstances I cannot understand why Tshangarai should be prepared to be subordinate to Mugabe.

tshepo 11/28/2008 2:01:03 PM

how pathetic canyou be. our people are dying and we are blaming morgan. thabo open your eyes like the rest of africa and the world and get rid of your animal brother bob and his clang

themba 11/28/2008 2:03:17 PM

mbeki is clearly a fan of Robert Mugabe i do not understands why he was still a madiator of zim, he can be interlligent but he very tired and he needs a rest and campaign for his party either ANC or COPE depends.....

Ken Meyer 11/28/2008 2:04:26 PM

Reading this drivel you actually want to congratulate Zuma and Co. for getting rid of this heartless, little, complex-ridden man who STILL does not give a damn about sick and starving people. Mbeki's legacy will be for all time that he actively assisted Mugabe in turning Zimbabwe into the worst basket case of any state in peacetime! In eight years from self-sufficient to complete chaos - well done Mr. Mbeki. Now please go away.

Justice4Ol 11/28/2008 2:04:43 PM

Tsvangirai should co-share, and own up the problems that ordinary Zimbabweans are enduring. His ignorance has resulted in the current economic melt-down that we continue to witness in that country just for the sake of seeking undue power. His pulling out of the negotiations is not doing any good to the poverty stricken communities of his country; all he is pushing for is to serve the mandate of his colonial masters. As for Mugabe, he is out of order without reproach and should be

jorene 11/28/2008 2:06:22 PM

Come on guys, lay of Thabo Mbeki, he takes orders from the Government of South Africa. Blame Zuma if you have to as it is he and his cronies who recalled Mbeki just as he was got Zimbabwe to form a Unity Government. I for one believe that Zuma did not want Mbeki to have all the praise once all was finalised in Zimbabwe. Mbeki is a human being and he takes orders just like any of us. People of Zimbabwe should just say enough is enough and remove evil Mugabe by force.

terrance 11/28/2008 2:06:53 PM

i find it hilarious Mbeki taken issue with comment from tsvangirai, whats that comment never kick a dog while its down its cowardly, well its clear that in the battle for zim bob is not the one suffering while MDC supporters are dieing !!! so why not kick the dog when its down well down Mbeki in retaliating to comments on your cowardly stance you have managed to prove that you are a coward- great politics just what south africa wants to hear.

Len van Heerden 11/28/2008 2:09:51 PM

While Morgan and Mugabe are fighting over positions? Pretty pathetic if you ask me.

goons 11/28/2008 2:09:51 PM

mbeki has been in support for mugabe for such a long time now finally it is out..He has the nerver to write a letter about disrespect yet he continues to disrespect the will of the people of zim.. mbeki you can scream and shout all you want but we dnt care.. you are a useless dog and no wonder you were recalled..You are the disgrace to africa and your friend bob..both of you can go to hell...

PierredP 11/28/2008 2:10:17 PM

Thabo Mbeki is a great one for standing up for the African way of doing things -- giving credit and paying homage where it is patently not due. Is he so blind that he cannot see how dithering and subterfuge has let our continent down? Morgan T. is a man of courage and insight -- Mbeki, in spite of his 'native intelligence', comes across as a blunderer with little to show for all his tedious efforts. What a loser!

Ndlovu 11/28/2008 2:12:33 PM

It is not at all surprising... Mbeki is getting his pension payouts from Bobs pillage in Zim. How can he criticise Morgan and not Bob. Morgan is the rightful president and is not responsible for the squander of a nation.

lm 11/28/2008 2:13:43 PM

amazing how mbeki is getting all the blame, u guys do know that he isn't the only leader in the SADC region... my bad, he's now a normal citizen like u & me!!

Proudly SA 11/28/2008 2:14:12 PM

Phew your outright hatred for Mr. Mbeki clouds your judgement, you guys think this news24 politics makes u clever. Plse first find out what the politics r behind the media then you will find out what's really happening in Zim. Mugabe is not ruling Zim but the veterans, why is there no uprising against Mugabe? Ask your self a lot of other questions. Visit Zim and then talk, most of you do not even know where Zim is. You bunch of monkeys, you'll are a pathetic bunch of hipocrites/Loosers. Lol

Tindo 11/28/2008 2:15:05 PM

Mbeki should never want to suppress Tsvangirai by hiding behind the concept of African patriotism and respect for African institutions. Its a shame Mr Mbeki and its an undeniable fact that Mugabe is the sole source of the missery to which Zimbabwean have been inflicted to. I am sure history is going to harshly judge Mr Mbeki in particular, Mugabe specifically and SADC heads of States in general!!!

Mvelasi 11/28/2008 2:15:10 PM

ANC Should recall him to avoid making their name worse. maybe if he is recalled Bob will join the Tshikota and leave Zim in peace

vincent 11/28/2008 2:17:37 PM

Where on earth have you seen an abiter taking sides. Right from the word go, Thabo has been heavily compromised, to the extent that I dont understand why the MDC are still in the ring. Mbeki all along, has been busy punching Morgan, and being cheered on by Mugabe, who also has been drubbing Morgan.Africa is what it is because of African culture. They cant call a spade a spade but rather a big spoon.With this attitude, Africa will be a laughing stock of the democratic world. Ibvapo Mbeki.

Anin 11/28/2008 2:18:54 PM

"Because we do not agree with you on a small matter, you choose to describe us in a manner that is most offensive in terms of African culture, and therefore offend our sense of dignity as Africans," Mbeki wrote He has truly lost the plot. Whilst African art and culture is extremely important, what about the life of the average human being here?

Languta 11/28/2008 2:21:45 PM

He critised Tsangarai and dont say anything about his old ally Mugabe.He suspend Pikoli and not be quiet on his friend Selebi.He critisize vocal about turn of events at ANC to Zuma and Malema, keep quiet to Shilowa and Lekota new party COPE. He must be recall from mediation in Zimbabwe talks so that there will be progress.

BD 11/28/2008 2:22:49 PM

Fair is fair, the ANC always respects democracy, even if a idiot's are choosen. ZUma & Mal, so they should respect the people's choice in Zim and Force RObert out, we have the power, just do it. But I'm sure Robert has Mbeki in his pocket, and he would be fed to the pigs.

Jacques 11/28/2008 2:25:44 PM

.. it's in the eating. What more does Robert Mugabe have to do to prove to Africa that he is incompetent and incapable of running Zimbabwe? According to me, he should not even be in any sort of position to ruin Zimbabwe further. Give the country to the man who won the legitimate elections!!!

Mlu 11/28/2008 2:27:39 PM

From all the comments here I just noticed one thing no has read the Letter by Thabo Mbeki. I think it will good to read the letter before expressing an opnion. I know its a long letter but atleast you will be informed as to what is contained in the letter.

Seema 11/28/2008 2:30:47 PM

I am all teary with thick drops of sour waters . Africa is such a mess . I don't know anymore . I guess Ubuntu is really figment of our imaginations. Our leaders are really disappointing .... I really echo with bathed breath to all the youth of Africa to boot out all this oldies . I think the politics of the liberation "icon' are distractive , intolerant, regid with traces of hitlerism . We need change !!!

Klaas Meekel 11/28/2008 2:31:58 PM

It strikes me that ex-President Mbeki has a selective or short memory. Quite obviously, his approach of "quiet diplomacy" was ineffective and it appears blatantly clear that Pres. Mugabe (whose actions make ex-President P W Botha appear like a saint - but at least he had the decency and common sense to stand down and retire)has every intention to continue behaving like a dictator and enriching himself at the expense of all Zimbabweans. Tsvangirai is right to not be traeted like a puppet.

just askin 11/28/2008 2:33:06 PM

is it not time to shut the border,switch off the electricity and stop the fuel flow to concentrate the mind of Mad Bob to show him that he cannot continue. Sanctions were acceptable to end apparheid why not now?

Nyarara Mbeki 11/28/2008 2:35:58 PM

I watched the fall of Mr Mbeki due to Pride & Dishonest. He wasted his chance as president to do the right and honest thing on Zimbabwe, now it's too late! Instead he chose to stand on the side of the Dictator for a painfull 10 years to Zimbabweans. Now Mugabe's pillar (Mbeki) is fallen, he is now bitter to realise that he no longer has any respect or influence home & away. He is venting his anger on the bold & true democrat Morgan Tsvangirai. PRIDE COMES BEFORE A MAN'S FALL!HAMBA KAHLE MBEKI!

CJB 11/28/2008 2:38:12 PM

For a president whose own party couldn't stomach his arrogance, corruption and denialism to criticise a real leader (as defined by who got the most votes in the election) is sheer cheek. That little scum-bag brings shame to all South Africans and humiliation to all blacks

Peter Maluleke 11/28/2008 2:43:37 PM

Mbeki you are a asshole. You are a disgrace for the black people of SA and the continent. Why don't you go and drink your whiskey in England where you grew up. Hamba thabo. HAMBA

Veza 11/28/2008 2:47:45 PM

Let the truth be told todate all the people who believes that Mbeki has failed as the mediator has not come up with workable alternative to dealing with the situation in Zimbabwe. THE FACTS: 1. Any sanctions posed to Zimbabwe will be GROSSLY DETRIMENTAL to the Zimbabwians as a unit. 2. Mbeki (including SADEC)does not have any powers or whatsoever to force Mugabe out of power. 3. Even if Mugabe had lost the elections still he had a large number of Zimbabweans who voted for him. t

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