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'Satanism is real'

2008-08-19 08:37

Dear Editor,

I read with horror the story a horrific murder of an innocent school boy in the name of Satan. Two weeks ago two Soweto girls (younger than 15) committed suicide and a suicide note on of the girls apparently said that she would like to get away from "these satanic people" and the only way she could get away was from these people was to die.

How sad. My greatest worry is the people that deny the existence of the devil and his demonic angels. It is so funny that many people do not question the existence of God when things go according to their liking and yet they question his existence when they don't.

Various psychologists have come out in droves in denying the existence of the devil in the name of a "psychological problem". How many murders are we going to experience before people open their eyes that the spiritual world is real and manifests now in the natural with the things that we see happen today?

How many people have been killed for "muti" purposes and psychologists reduce this to "psychological problems". We do have words such as "witchcraft", "witch", "curse", "demons", etc. Would we really have these words if there was no substance behind the words?

Wouldn't it be possible that the devil is using the so-called psychologists to deny his existence so that people may take his presence for granted and be ignorant so that he can continue with his deeds?

Please understand me, I am not saying that all psychologists are used by the devil but it is worth noting that the religious movements that have been in existence before the psychologists came into being all acknowledge the existence of the devil and demons.

As long as schools remove the teaching and practicing of religion from our schools, I do not see any reason why the devil should leave our schools alone.

People also deny the adverse impact of the horrible music that some of these groups portray. Just listen to the lyrics of music such as Rotten Christ, Meat Loaf and - believe it or not - The Beatles. You can all remember John Lennon's Imagine. Listen to that song and tell me that there is no demonic influence in that rendition.

Nkateko,
Krugersdorp

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Donovan 8/19/2008 8:45:49 AM
Daft the lot of it. When will people move out of the stone age and this ridiculous propensity to believe in invisible nonsense.

James 8/19/2008 8:57:07 AM
"Imagine all the people, living life in peace..." Yeah, that's pretty satanic isn't it. Sends a shive down my spine just thinking about it. Ignorance is only bliss to the ignorant. To the rest of us it's a giant-sized pain in the butt.

Francois 8/19/2008 8:58:37 AM
to listen and do what makes you happy all within reason ofcourse? I think that "people" are the cause of everything, I control where and what I do. NOT MUSIC?

Juz 8/19/2008 8:59:10 AM
Meatloaf!!!The Beetles!!! Haha, too funny!

KD 8/19/2008 9:05:11 AM
the Devil, God or Satan - and I will believe, but do not write crap about music which you do not understand. Juz, I agree, Meat Loaf and the Beatles, PLEEEEEZE take a chill pill

Mark T 8/19/2008 9:06:22 AM
I am not denying that satan and demons exist, because I am pretty sure they do. However, to see them in everything is a bit extreme. I mean not every song sympathises witht he devil. Granted there are groups like WASP etc who write pro satan songs- but come on- not every song has evil in it. Psycholoists are scientific people- they work on evidence and knowledge. This does not make them evil or tools of satan. Humans must take responsibility for their own actions and not blame everything else.

sticks 8/19/2008 9:07:45 AM
Ja, listening to heavy music is satanic. same as HE-Man, Harry Potter, The care bears and colgate toothpaste.

Martin Godfrey 8/19/2008 9:08:41 AM
"Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll go to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you!" No-one we know has "come back" after dyng to tell us if this is actually true, so we continue to entertain these thoughts because we are so indoctrinated to!

AJ 8/19/2008 9:10:09 AM
WTF!

Michael 8/19/2008 9:13:01 AM
After two decades of listening to goth and metal bands I still seem to have no desire to commit murder. Must be having a good run (though I must confess Britney Spears tends to bring on homicidal thoughts).

Ernst Geyser 8/19/2008 9:14:17 AM
If Satan is running around freely influencing kids telling them to kill one another... the where is the righteous God and why is He not exherting his "good" influence to prevent these things from happening? It's easy to blame the devil for the attrocious acts of humans. But no-one would dare question why their almighty God would just stand by and allow the slaughter of innocent people? Whos at fault? The instigator (the devil) or the righteous God who turns his back?

Bridget 8/19/2008 9:19:13 AM
"We do have words such as "witchcraft", "witch", "curse", "demons", etc. Would we really have these words if there was no substance behind the words?" So Unicorns and Minotaurs must exist because we have words for them? I think this statment weakens your argument considerably.

Pieter 8/19/2008 9:21:03 AM
To my friend's who replied. Been there done that. Blessed with a very sickly child that turned my life around. Wen't through much hardship with her illness and 3x close death experiences but won't change it for a bit for,it changed me for good. Pray the same to you.

AndyMo 8/19/2008 9:21:14 AM
Remember the supposed Satanic wave during the 80's. "Satanic ritual abuse allegations appearing in the media, the courts and in therapy are now generally regarded as having been part of a moral panic. The extent of SRA and the definitions used to label it have always been controversial since the panic was primarily based on reports from children and adults using therapeutic and questioning techniques now considered illegitimate." Wikipedia - Satanic Panic

ramone 8/19/2008 9:21:14 AM
Shame, poor Meatloaf, he sang one little song, which is all about love and morality incidentally, but he happened to call it 'Bat out of Hell', which is a fairly common English expression. The rest of his music is extremely calm and poetic. I reckon this hypocrite has never actually listened to any of his music, fearing he will spontaneously change into a goat. And so Meatloaf is branded a Satanist. Thats why Christians are so hated. You are such fools.

L van Heerden 8/19/2008 9:23:07 AM
This is the biggest load of rubbish. nothing in the story prove the existence of the devil or satan, simply that individuals are capable of dastardly deed. When are people going to pass the responsibility to the person who killed the people? Christians and Muslims continue to murder in the name of their religions but do we blame Jesus or God? come of it, Nkateko. Do not let your ignorance define your beliefs.

Lvh 8/19/2008 9:27:31 AM
Imagine is one of the best songs ever written and it simply makes you imagine without the strife, bigotry, hatred, homophobia, racial and religious hatred. If that makes the song and John Lennon (not the Beatles) demonic, then I would rather be possessed by the demon who dares imagine a world in peace than the zealots who want everyone to be like them in beliefs and ignorance.

Lyndi 8/19/2008 9:27:41 AM
for a belief in a supernatural power. man is perfectly capable of the most atrocious acts on his own. and if your children are practising Satanism, how come you dont know about it? parents must remember tht times change and it is no longer a case of children shld be seen and not heard, now they MUST be heard. if you are not talking to your child, something is VERY wrong. Satanism is th least of ur worries.

BigBang 8/19/2008 9:30:13 AM
Have you listened to him backwards. Scary stuff.

bj 8/19/2008 9:31:14 AM
Get over your own ignorance. There is no GOD or devil for that matter. It is a lie. Children are indoctrinated with this crap from the moment they are born that is the only reason they believe these fairytales. The sooner people stop beleiving in a higher powere the sooneer we can ll take responsibility for our own actions.

The Horned God 8/19/2008 9:31:31 AM
Or maybe the psychologists are right and there's no devil, just a lot of screwed up people (and if your letter's anything to go by, that sounds about right!) for starters, true witches don't believe in the devil, as Pagans don't believe in an 'evil power' trying to steal our souls. secondly, if the Beatles are bad, you should try listening to Patricia Lewis - now THAT's evil music!!! PS: James, you forgot the Beatles' other satanic lyrics "love, love me do, you know I love you!"

Lydia 8/19/2008 9:32:54 AM
God doesn't turn his back on his ppl,he gives his ppl chances upon chances to become better ppl. that my dear is called your conscience, but obviously you would know nothing about that. The devil is to blame for the majority of the evil doing and thinking amoungst some ppl if not all. Your days are numbered, and so is everyones, it's going to be a blessed day with those who have denied our father will perish.Get a bible and read it.

Francois 8/19/2008 9:33:35 AM
Don't talk crap about W.A.S.P... I am the biggest fan on this planet and that man sings about life and country and politics OH and SEX?... Does that make him "satanic" We are not in the 80's anymore man!

OB1 8/19/2008 9:35:03 AM
I consider myself a christian, but i truely believe that religion is the root of huge proportion of the problems we face in the world today... for the fanatics with blinkers on I did not say God, I said Religion! Look at the trouble in the middle east today, the crusades, the violence committed by ancient indian tribes (the incas and mayans) and african tribes all in the name of their respective religions. Even apartheid was justified by many as being "christian" and endorsed by the Bible. Bull dust!. Its the relious fanatics that are the problem, the ones that interpret the Bible or Quran or Tora or whatever book too literally to meet their own ends. The ones that try to scare people into not thinking for themselves (e.g. "do xyz or you're going to hell"), and preventing them from making their own interpretation of these books, and trying understand what is truly being taught in the context of their own lives and experiences. The church is the problem (not all, but the greater organisation at large), not God or the Bible. To say that music or TV or the media do not also influence us negatively is also naive. Of course they do. But lets not be ridiculous...The Beatles, Meatloaf get real!

Mark T 8/19/2008 9:45:54 AM
Francoius- I am NOT saying all of their songs are evil- but I, as a fan as well for many years, have seen satan or the beast, mentioned in their lyrics. If you are a fan, you should have all their albums as I do....then you would see what I mean.

Francois 8/19/2008 9:48:24 AM
LOL Now there I agree! Nice one man!

Francois 8/19/2008 9:54:00 AM
lol sorry man! I did not mean to grab at you. I just get so angry when they and other artists gets slated for things done by other morons.

Gee PMB 8/19/2008 9:54:51 AM
I can't even litsne to him played forward!! But the devil made me do it!

Gareth 8/19/2008 10:02:43 AM
Religion isn't the problem. It's people and there distorted view of it. We shape our views on life based on our beliefs, even though they're misguided by our lack of understanding and willingness to study our beliefs and other religions. I'm Catholic and to hear people say religion is nonsense and what not, it's so untrue. I don't care what religion you are, but as long as you live a morally good life, then all is good. Don't blame religion for the world's problems!

AJ 8/19/2008 10:03:15 AM
Ever heard those - always mentioning hell and fire and brimstone etc. Creepy stuff let me tell you. WAit I'm confused!!

Johann 8/19/2008 10:11:57 AM
Satan doesn't make people kill people, people kill people because they are people with free will, who choose to kill people. Stop looking for a scapegoat, start taking responsibility for your own actions.

God 8/19/2008 10:14:11 AM
Christians, mmm...the inquisition, supported apartheid, supported killing of the Jews in WWII, support the war in Iraq (George W calls it a, "crusade"), hate homosexuals, won't allow the usage of condoms, won't allow female priests, don't believe in science/evolution, won't allow sport on Sundays, believe that only their select little grouping will go to "heaven" and the "others/sinners" will burn in hell...nice bunch! Frankly, I'll take my chances with the satanists...

Big Bad Bob 8/19/2008 10:14:14 AM
Pyschologists do not preach for the devil or for Christianity or any other faith. Nor do they deny any faith. Evangelising a particular faith is not their job. Helping somebody to understand what is happening to them and how to deal with it is. Nkateko is speaking from a position of ignorance and supposition and should not be making groundless accusations of this kind.

Luzuko 8/19/2008 10:14:23 AM
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

Jaco Wium 8/19/2008 10:15:31 AM
Imagine a world where the song "Imagine" was not written or performed by The Beatles, but by John Lennon during his solo career. If you can imagine that, then welcome to the real world! (Read Len van Heerden's post about the real meaning of the song, which is as far from "evil" as it gets.)

Big Bad Bob 8/19/2008 10:16:26 AM
Are a certain sector of broader christianity. They are a dangerous presence and should not be providing support structures to police and schools. I say this because they have an agenda other than providing support - their agenda is to evangelise their particular version of christianity, and doing that often requires blaming all problems on a failure to observe their version of christian doctrine.

Spazman 8/19/2008 10:17:08 AM
We all the saying, the Devils greatest trick was convincing the people he doesn't exist...

fuzzy 8/19/2008 10:17:46 AM
it must be such a horrible life, blinded as you are... i cannot believe it is 2008 and people still believe in fairy tales like the devil and god...

Marius 8/19/2008 10:19:20 AM
I agree, backwards music is bad. Listen to Jurie Els' Music backwards and you will get Potjiekos and melktert recipes.

Jono 8/19/2008 10:21:17 AM
Great article. Its sad to see the godlessness of the people in this country judging from everybody's response to your article, but I for one agree wholeheartedly with your views. Thank you!

Atac 8/19/2008 10:21:43 AM
Something created everything but what that is, who knows? You might never know cause is there even proof that you have a soul? Whatever kids are easily influenced so all we can do as parents is to giude,support,love and undersatand our children. There are always signs.

dave the brave! 8/19/2008 10:21:43 AM
The spritual world is real?! What proof.. As far as i am concerned anyone who believes there are omnipotent, omniscient god/gods of the universe suffer from either from quite clearly being brainwashed by the church or suffering psycological problems! Even if satan is real, god would have created him because he created everything?! And for all the people dieing its part of gods plan...So whats the fuss! You see the problem with religion now! You falling in the same trap you accuse others of!

kane 8/19/2008 10:26:52 AM
Fuzzy is right.These sound like the thoughts of someone who is living in the 1600s.Actually all atheists go against the existence of 'God',good or bad.The things that happen,do because I,me and myself make them happen.You're an idiot, seriously.Anyone with an IQ over 80 could realize that science outweighs some book written by people with nearly no worldly understanding.'SATAN MADE DINOSAURS AND SCIENCE TOO! TO TRICK US'haha,I'll laugh when you are reduced to what everyone else is.Decaying flesh

BT 8/19/2008 10:27:50 AM
Demonic influence in 'Imagine'?!? What exactly did you smoke before you listened to those words?And I can't say I'm any kindo of expert on Meat Loaf but which song exactly are you referring to because you have totally lost me!

Dumstruck... 8/19/2008 10:27:58 AM
stupid and nonsense thinking and beliefs. Thank you, EDITOR, for publish this crap - at least we know what sickos we have to deal with out there. Imagine there is no heaven and there is no hell, too...now go and kill yourself over that.

SeanO 8/19/2008 10:28:35 AM
Eskom is the only tangible force capable of allowing us to see the light or experience the evil forces of darkness. The rest is all a product of peoples bored minds or a myth.

mike hock 8/19/2008 10:29:08 AM
I drove after drinking 3 beers on saturday, after watching the rugby, i thought the boks made me do it, or maybe Pieter DV, but it must have been the devil. Then i was home alone on saturday, feeling a bit amorous, i thought E-tv caused the self satisfaction, or maybe the fashion channel, but it must have been the devil, dressed in lingerie. i swore at a taxi this morning, devil made me do. now i am surfing news24 when i should be working, sorry boss, devil made me do it... load of crock...

jim 8/19/2008 10:29:30 AM
Well said!! You hit the nail on the head there. Its not God or the bible or even christianity, it RELIGION thats causes problems.

Sean 8/19/2008 10:30:48 AM
I am a pagan and as such do not believe in the existence of Satan.Neither do the Jews or the Muslims for that matter.Its an invention of the christians that put the fear into their followers and as such every time something goes bad or they have a hard time,it is BLAMED on satan. Its a cop-out for their unwillingness to take responsibility for their own actions. satan is real? bull#^$%@

Mikey 8/19/2008 10:32:10 AM
I agree 100%, the existance of satan is apparent in heavy music such as Metalica and Black Sabbath. Even in south African music, I saw a group at the Oppikoppi festival called Juggernaut that had goat skulls on stage and repeatedly sang about the devil. Please don't deny it, there is a problem.

abiker 8/19/2008 10:32:31 AM
a wise person once said "I'd rather rule in Hell than serve in Heaven"...

RPM 8/19/2008 10:32:57 AM
I consider myself Christian.I understand the point she's making.As humanity we've spent so much time debating about whether or not God exists,all the evil that is in this world,to me prooves that the devil is real.I don't for one second believe it has anything to do with God's goodness.He gave us free will to do what ever,watch what ever,listen to what ever we want.If those things cause us to do things that'll cause either ourselves or others pain, we need to remember that we made that choice.

Steve 8/19/2008 10:33:26 AM
race lays the blame of plain stupidity on something else. We are given choice, what we do with it, depends on where we go. To this murderer, well, he will get his worth in prison, when he will be gang raped(as this is apparently the punishment for all in prison). After his mortal pains, his eternal pains will begin.

J Cilliers 8/19/2008 10:33:32 AM
..yes doomed as a race if such ignorance is allowed to exist. The real killer & evil entity here, in my honest opinion, is most definitely the closed-up or non-enlightened mind. The cause of that is more often the dictating "religion" they cling to that normally prohibits them from becoming enlightened. The above is based on most "christians" calling Satanism a religion. It's more a way of life, and guidelines. Go read up & listen, educating yourself will not send you to hell. (idiots)

Jay 8/19/2008 10:34:06 AM
Santanism maybe real, but because some poor fools worship an entity that is no more real than God does not prove that said entity exists.

bj 8/19/2008 10:34:21 AM
Ahh religion it is so easy to insult, because it has nothing to back it up but a bunch of ignorant ranters. ohh god is real because I read a book and my parents told me about it. I also read and my parents also told me the story of the three little pigs... do I believe in that. open your eyes people.

Fueling the fire. 8/19/2008 10:34:59 AM
Look. I don't believe in any deity's as they are man made (man decided there is a higher power). Here's what wikipedia says about satanism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanism. Saying that god/satan/flying spaghetti monster lives is like saying the earth is flat. wake up people. If you are born mentally sick, blame yourself. Ohhh satan made me write this letter. c'mon

unquiet 8/19/2008 10:35:19 AM
It is time our society takes responsibility for the way in which we raise our children. If parents took heed of what their children were up to , who they mixed with and what activities they partook in, there would be no need to blame a devil. An outrageous and pathetic excuse that comes to the fore when we have neglected our youth.

Mina 8/19/2008 10:36:15 AM
Is it necessary to call other(Nkateko) a hypocites and fools. This is just a discussion. Just say your opinion without insulting others. How old are you.

cos 8/19/2008 10:36:22 AM
I am a Christian, a proud Christian - I did not support the inquisition, sapartheid, supported killing of the Jews in WWII or the war in Iraq. Dont generalise and put all Christians in one basket, it makes you look more stupid than you already are. Take your chances with satanists if you must but remember: eternity is a loooong time

Elbie 8/19/2008 10:36:48 AM
Dear Christians, where are you???? We have to stand together and stand up for our Lord!!!! We surely have a lot of work to do.... LBS

Lucky 8/19/2008 10:37:09 AM
the fact that we don't have the evidence that this killing was caused by the devil does not mean that the devil does not exist. no one except the killer who knows the truth. maybe it is the combination of drugs and satanic influence, who knows? the killer know. we can judge it, disregard it and have our own view on it but the fact is we don't know the truth. killing is wrong irrespective either who or what enfluenced it. we should be focusing on how to avoid similar occurence in future

Mark T 8/19/2008 10:37:52 AM
I know what you mean. If the music had the effect they say it does, there would be a many more killings etc because of it. Since Queen played backwards told us to smoke ganga, music has been driving us to do things with its subliminal messages. PC games are driving me to do untold things- and not to mention violent movies. Come to think of it, I think we are all latent killers- just waiting for the right message from the Devil, or Doom..... or WWE

Louis from choking!hazard 8/19/2008 10:39:10 AM
Look, I'm not about to comment on religeous matters. I happen to believe that one's own spirituality is a very personal and intimate subject, not open to the ridicule and discussion of others. I am however going to point out that your assumption that any kind of Rock music must be demonic in some way is utterly ridiculous. Did you know there are heavy-metal gospel bands out there? No Christian worth his salt would ever dream of denying another the most important gift of all: FREEDOM OF CHOICE

Rambo 8/19/2008 10:40:10 AM
How long does the average person live (here on earth)? Plus minus 75? Do you think thats long? How long do you think eternity is? If you believe life ends here on earth; how sure are you? Are you willing to take that chance? Use it; don't use it...

D 8/19/2008 10:40:13 AM
I guess 'All you need is love' carries an equally evil message...

Mike Hock 8/19/2008 10:40:47 AM
Nice that there isn't some racist blame game going on for a change, now it is a religious blame game!

Nicola 8/19/2008 10:42:10 AM
As long as we can blame some imaginary thing in the sky for all our problems, we don't have to take any responsibility for ourselves. Grow up and accept the it's PEOPLE who mess up. We don't need some external influence to commit immoral acts - it's in our nature to do so.

ZiX 8/19/2008 10:42:18 AM
Religion is the opiate of the masses. A control mechanism, a prison that people willingly place themselves in for the promise of salvation. If you are seeing God, the Devil, Angels and Demons in everything around you, then it's because you are creating them there.

bj 8/19/2008 10:43:07 AM
Calling all true Christians. I am speaking on behalf of the lord and he has told me that you must give 10% of your hard earned money a month to me so that I may be converted to Christianity. Its the right thing to do..

Conrizzle 8/19/2008 10:44:24 AM
I totally agree with your comments. I'm a Christian and share your views. At Nkateko, stop looking for a devil or demon behind every rock, you might just find one!

Sinudeity 8/19/2008 10:45:02 AM
Freedom of Speech! You have no right to insult someone based on his beliefs! What NOBODY here gets, is that there is NO WAY to prove, EITHER WAY, if God exists, or not. So calling someone an idiot, because he believes in the big bang, or in God, is being ignorant in itself.

Ryno 8/19/2008 10:45:15 AM
I only recently started experiencing the movement of the Holy Spirit, after I totally surrendered myself to the Lord Jesus. I can assure you that God does exist. I have seen Him in action, felt His presence and witnessed a demon driven out. I have heard Him talking to me on many occasions and is learning to recognize His voice. All Jesus wants is to have a relationship with you. He loves all of you. Whether you want to admit it or not, satan is behind everything evil in this world.

Donkey Kong 8/19/2008 10:46:18 AM
You are one hundred per cent correct. I also believe in the spaghetti monster, because a friend of mine shot a bird once and said the spaghetti monster made him do it. Who am I to argue?

Big Bad Bob 8/19/2008 10:46:31 AM
Nkateko has made some rash statements and has not provided any underpinning for them. Nakteko has confused (possibly deliberately) rumour with fact and has thus made some ignorant and dangerous statements. Claims of this kind deserve a strong response - though I would hope that doesn't go as far as name calling. I would also hope that you condemn the likes of Jono who are dishing out blanket condemnations of those they disagree with.

Zoo Keeper 8/19/2008 10:47:59 AM
The problem is the kid and his upbringing which scarred him. The rest is just fairy tales to make you feel good and that "he's not like the rest of us". AJ, you're making my day with those comments:):)!

Quintin 8/19/2008 10:48:02 AM
The reason I?m posting my comment is not to agree or disagree with anyone and definitely not to judge anyone. Surely we can all have an opinion about something, but I thing we must be very careful in doing so. To anyone who denies the existence of God, I feel sorry for you and I will keep on praying for you. We can argue about religion all day long, but the bottom line is, we did not just appear one day(or after a big bang).We were created by God who will come and get us for an eternal life, the only question is, are you ready for when he returns? Music is not made satanic necessarily by its lyrics, but by what inspires and drives the artist. To get more clarity on music watch the DVD ?They sold their souls to rock n roll?, there is more to music than what the ear can hear. My GOD bless you all!!

KoosS 8/19/2008 10:49:00 AM
How people critises the author for not knowing his music, but then making religuous comments from a point of equal or bigger ignorance...

Frederico 8/19/2008 10:49:00 AM
Let's see... christianity has been responsible for some of the worst regimes and dictators, wars, massacres and persecutions. Preachers intent on curbing people's individual and moral rights in order to enrich their pockets. If anything... I'm scared as hell of christianity. Don't blame the devil... blame that kid's priest that raped him!

Braam 8/19/2008 10:49:10 AM
I'm a child of God !!!!!!

Frederico 8/19/2008 10:49:20 AM
Let's see... christianity has been responsible for some of the worst regimes and dictators, wars, massacres and persecutions. Preachers intent on curbing people's individual and moral rights in order to enrich their pockets. If anything... I'm scared as hell of christianity. Don't blame the devil... blame that kid's priest that raped him!

Donkey Kong 8/19/2008 10:49:34 AM
You are one hundred per cent correct. I also believe in the spaghetti monster, because a friend of mine shot a bird once and said the spaghetti monster made him do it. Who am I to argue?

AS 8/19/2008 10:49:47 AM
This act was not influenced by Slipknot,or death metal,or satan for that matter. Show me the part in any of the supposed influences that says "take your samurai sword to school and kill an innocent kid" and I'll rethink my statements.What is one of the very first things that we are taught?Right from Wrong.Nowhere does it say that something like this is right.AS

Big Bad Bob 8/19/2008 10:50:02 AM
This is NOT a Christian country, nor a Muslim country, a Jewish country, a Satanic country or a country tied to any other faith. South Africans have freedom of religion, which includes freedom FROM religion, but our constitution does not tie this country or citizenship to a specific faith. Religion should be kept out of our state institutions, and councellors with a religious agenda should have no role in our schools.

Bealiver 8/19/2008 10:50:12 AM
If Killing is a sin in satanism,were does the murderes go after death?

The AntiBunny Pre Xmas 8/19/2008 10:50:25 AM
Firstly, The Beatles never sang Imagine, John Lennon as a Solo artist did... and yes, the lyrics do go "Imagine No Religion..." that is because, religion has casued more war than any other ideology in history... Imagine is a song about Peace... As for Satan and God/god/s... Wake up and smell the holy water... these are ancient beliefs that should have no place in a modern society

patty 8/19/2008 10:50:33 AM
ist strange how people tend to question the work of god.everthing happens for a reason,to hear some say if there is proof of one having a soul?well for starters you wont be writting whatever you wrote if you didnt had one please people,its really a shame to live in a world of violence,crime well you name it,and still we are so blinded not to see that you are shall reap what you sow.i truelly pray for our country/world.

EM 8/19/2008 10:50:59 AM
The same line that Hansie uttered at some stage... is this the South African version of the Nuremberg defense? Good people will do good things and bad people will do evil things, no need for angels or demons.

cheryl 8/19/2008 10:51:07 AM
Please remember that it is your religous beliefs and not everyone is a christian. There is no proof of God or any other religious "leader" It's all guesswrok really, isn't it. As my one friend put it "It's your God, You go to hell" Some of us are Buddhists - prove me wrong to not believe in your God! There is evil in this world, there is no denying that but it is created by man and man alone.

johann 8/19/2008 10:51:53 AM
Nkateko, I hail from KTown too, and we discussed this on another forum. The westrand has have cult issues for many years.

L 8/19/2008 10:51:57 AM
surely, when Nkateko delved into the blame game and discussing something he has no knoweldge of, he openned himself to the same judgement he offered about things he did not know. He did not even know that Imagine was a John Lennon song, instead of a Beatles song. Do you simply debate with someone with little or no capabilities to understand reason?

Loui Cyfer 8/19/2008 10:52:02 AM
People are so easy to blind, twist & manipulate! Just like sheep. In fact, these days its a concept selling itself. What a beautiful franchise. So go ahead, turn your back on God & convince yourself otherwise. Who needs him anyway when we all have free-will & our own wisdom to choose. Soon, the world will start to burn!! What will your empty little lives be worth. Maybe, you'll be able to take your ipods with!

Lou 8/19/2008 10:52:24 AM
Immanuel Kant used the evil being angle in one of his philosophies arguing that his whole life might be an illusion arranged by some supernatural evil being. If we start to argue that psychologists can be used by the Devil to further his goals then the same can go for anything and anyone and we will suspect everything. Judge each case separately and consider all factors. Generalisations only lead to prejudice & fear mongering. BTW man has never needed the devil for his atrocities.

Greg 8/19/2008 10:52:56 AM
.. Ignorance is bliss. God does exist. The devil does exist. And we all know the fable, the devil's greatest feat was convincing the world that he does not exist. Evident from the above articles. Ye childish men of little faith but in themselves. I am still dumbfounded that people need proof b4 faith. Even our wisest, that lived b4 us, believed in God, of sorts, but the belief is always the same.

Greg 8/19/2008 10:53:12 AM
.. Ignorance is bliss. God does exist. The devil does exist. And we all know the fable, the devil's greatest feat was convincing the world that he does not exist. Evident from the above articles. Ye childish men of little faith but in themselves. I am still dumbfounded that people need proof b4 faith. Even our wisest, that lived b4 us, believed in God, of sorts, but the belief is always the same.

AS 8/19/2008 10:55:00 AM
Please can someone tell me the evil that lies within the lyrics of Yellow Submarine". I really am at a loss.

What would Jesus do? 8/19/2008 10:56:38 AM
Father Please guide us through this time of confusion. Please remind us that what ever happens or how evil the world might seem You are always in control. Please forgive us for being so judgmental Lord, you know our souls are weak. Please grant us the strength to live our lives according to Your will for the world to see Your Glory. Please help Your Children find their way to You and welcome them with as much love and forgiveness as You welcomed the rest of us into your Kingdom. My Lord please protect our youth and grant them the strength to stand against these spiritual attacks we seem to experience more and more each day. We will be Victorious through You who gives us strength. In Jesus name AMEN

Pieter 8/19/2008 10:58:32 AM
AS a teenager I was very confused. I felt alienated and was filled with rage and hatred when people made fun of me. I was obsessed with violent movies and when it was mixed with some heavy metal music, I was felt ready to kill and wreak havoc. I even tried to purchase a Samurai sword once, but my parents stopped me. Luckily my parents bombarded me with love and I ended up allright. We all can listen to heavy metal, but some of us get more influenced than other. And yes Satanism is very very real.

Elisma 8/19/2008 10:59:13 AM
Music does not kill people....people kill people. I am a Christian. I listen to 3 days grace, seether, korn, the list goes on. Do I go out and kill people and torture animals? No I don't. Every person makes their own choices. When they make the wrong ones, they always blame everyone and anything else, but themselves. You committed a murder, you, and you alone, take the blame.

Sinudeity 8/19/2008 10:59:58 AM
With the CHAOS going on in South Africa, rapes, murders etc. I think religion should be brought into school. Doesn't seem like school kids have any morality these days. You have a right, to choose to attend/practice any religious events/meetings.

Baldy 8/19/2008 11:00:15 AM
designed to keep the populace in fear of the unknown - This is how all religions operate. Whatever makes you happy

RyDatGuy 8/19/2008 11:00:54 AM
It's been widely publisized that "The best trick the devil ever pulled was convincing us he doesn't exist". I'm Catholic and believe in God & the devil in equal measure, and though it may sound like an easy way out - this kid blaming the murder on the devil's say-so - but I would not rule it out either. I believe music can have an influence on one's actions, but it should come down to the individual's enjoyment of the music itself instead of searching for any truth in the lyrics.

Francois 8/19/2008 11:01:43 AM
Satanism is entirely the creation of Christianity. Everything that Christians do not approve of immediately becomes "Satan" like that wonderful Beatles song. It's time that real Christians stand up and demand that people like you stop turning the Christian religion into a joke. The boy is clearly mentally ill, not influenced by some "demon". Psychology is based on scientific research, your "theory" is based on some outdated, ridiculous, medieval concept. It's time to grow up.

Werner 8/19/2008 11:02:02 AM
I feel sorry for those people who think that they are on earth for no apparent reason. God does exist and so does the devil. It would be foolish to live a life on earth and just disappear when you die! God gave us a choice and what we do with it is our responsibility. Do not fool yourself by trying to prove that God does not exist!

morena 8/19/2008 11:02:35 AM
spot on my brother, i agree with u 100%

Child of God 8/19/2008 11:02:42 AM
You have so much anger toward God - do you know God and have you ever experienced only 1 second in His presence? I do hope you will one day have the privilege to experience our Lord's grace! It's incredible!!!!! Please beleive me when I say there is a defference between Christians and children of God!

flybynite 8/19/2008 11:05:17 AM
If this is the level of topic news24 chooses to post - I have an equally interesting one for you: Why is it that although Airoplanes have improved and developed from Write brothers to A380 in just over 100 Years, why is it that the emergency oxygenmasks that are to drop out of the ceiling have not changed in design or appearance for at least the last 30years. Is the design perfect or does it not make sense to develop improvements for something that might only serve to provide peace of mind? ;-)

Frederico 8/19/2008 11:05:35 AM
I laugh in the face of hypocrisy. The greatest evils against our fellow man have been under the guise of the great religions. If there's something I'm afraid of, then it is religion and more specifically christianity.

parent 8/19/2008 11:05:39 AM
I felt so sorry for the poor misguided boy who beleived it would be cool te murder someone in that gruesome way. Obviously he has lost all contact with reality, but o boy!, will he have to face reality now! Whatever the reason, it is such a tragedy which will have such a longlasting bad influence on him, his parents and aspecially on the loved ones of the victim and all their friends!

Mina 8/19/2008 11:06:15 AM
I think it is very immature to call others names just because you dont agree with them. Just tell the facts to prove them wrong without being rude. What is a debate anyway.

ZiX 8/19/2008 11:06:54 AM
"I read with horror the story a horrific murder of an innocent school boy in the name of Satan." Dude, I read every day of people being killed in the name of God.....apparently that doesn't phase you in the least, does it? God, Satan, Zuma. If people are going to kill one another then I believe they should be able to dedicate that murder to whoever they want......call it equal opportunity slaughter.

Big Bad Bob 8/19/2008 11:07:00 AM
Values yes. Religion no. Values and ethics are not the exclusive preserve of any single religion, nor do you need to be spiritual and/or religious to have values and behave ethically and decently.

Rian 8/19/2008 11:09:06 AM
I've listened to that sort of music since I was 12 and so have many of my friends. None of us has ever killed anyone. If you want to be supersitious and blame the devil, go for it. But it won't solve the problem. Crazy people blame all sorts of things for their actions. If you believe them, you should be worried.

Big Bad Bob 8/19/2008 11:09:54 AM
If you believe that God made everything, then that includes the Devil and all the terrible things that the Devil (according to the theory) leads us into. When the serpent tempted Eve into eating the apple, it must have been God who created Eve, the apple and the serpent. The buck stops with the almighty.

vinod 8/19/2008 11:10:24 AM
if music anything to go by, then Rap music has alot of influence on youngsters!!!

Sinudeity 8/19/2008 11:10:24 AM
Freedom to Believe in ANYTHING you want to, just as long as it doesn't negatively affect someone else.

Dave 8/19/2008 11:11:02 AM
Funny how those who mock christianity call us fools and ignorant. Did you even even try find out the truth behind your own existence? Easier just to blindly go on and do what is right in your own eyes. And to you sceptics, there is plenty of proof that God exists. You think those eyeballs you read this with and the fingers that type a response are by chance? C'mon, statistics alone say this is practically impossible. Maybe it's time to do some real searching rather than mock...

Annie 8/19/2008 11:11:23 AM
And your point is ? Stick with the subject. A close friend of mine was born into Satanism - (his Dad dedicated him at birth to Satan )He was sent to destroy a certain Christian Ministry, and when he tried to go into the building, his demonic powers had to stay outside. He realised then that the name of our Lord Jesus Christ that was preached was real and far more powerful than his demons. So, after many years of "serving" Satan, he now loves God, and serves Him with all his heart...

Terry 8/19/2008 11:13:29 AM
We must take the whole armor of God, that we may be able to withstand in the evil day (like now), and having done all, to stand; therefore, having our loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; and our feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith we shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. And let?s take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.

RPM 8/19/2008 11:14:19 AM
Don't worry we (Christians) are here,but remember that it isn't God that needs defending but the many souls out there living their lives in total ignorance.Morality is becoming extinct in our society if we don't hold ourselves accountable to a Higher Being how can our expect our youth to hold themselves accountable even to the law of the land, look at the statistics of crime in SA perhaps the rest of the world.There isn't a place in the world not affected by the denigration of society in general.

Karina 8/19/2008 11:15:17 AM
This child obviously had some serious problems! It's just always easier to "blame" someone or something else! What I can't understand is how his parents didn't pick up that something is wrong with him sooner! Surely as a parent u would pick up problems with your kids! Or were they the type that just dumped him at the mall every weekend to do as he pleased!! Stop blaming this on religion and music - this goes way further than that!!! Concerned parent!

cuba 8/19/2008 11:15:28 AM
spot on mate, without any evidence to back up these beliefs, the argument is slightly stale, and greg, OFCOURSE we require proof, and the belief is always the same? bollocks, are telling me that mayan rituals were the same as the christian beliefs? or that wiccan practices are the same as islamist beliefs? do some research outside of the good news (which is an average read by the way) to gain some perspective

Johan 8/19/2008 11:15:34 AM
As a dedicated and proud Chritian I am amaze to see the hatred toward Christians and the living GOD.Why always attack Christianity for all that is bad? If there is no GOD then why do "musisians" always try and belittle His name. To Mina : All the comments insult Christianity. Is that OK?

SimonP 8/19/2008 11:16:25 AM
was by John Lennon not the Beetles, demonic lyrics? What drugs are you on?

Die Skot 8/19/2008 11:17:09 AM
If you'd like to have a porper discussion on religious topics, go to a religous place of your choice and discuss whatever you wish with properly educated and informed people. If you wish to have an uninformed rambling on intelligent topics, continue then to use this forum.....

Arnold Vosloo 8/19/2008 11:17:28 AM
I wanted to post a lengthy argument against you religious zealots and your imaginary friends, but I remembered an old favourite quote: "I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent" The Article itself reminded me of another: "With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion." - Steven Weinberg

TruthBeTold 8/19/2008 11:18:07 AM
after he was blamed for Columbine. "Blame anyone, just as long as you don't blame the parents" And when asked what he would've said to the kids from Columbine "I wouldn't have said anything, I would've LISTENED" Nuff said.

LoudP 8/19/2008 11:19:00 AM
Man is the devil. We don't need evil forces to help us commit atrocities, we can manage nicely all by ourselves.

Krantz 8/19/2008 11:19:48 AM
If your head's alright, you don't need binoculars to see the light.

LB 8/19/2008 11:19:59 AM
If you believe in Christianity you believe in Satanism. Religion has been the greatest contributor to death and suffering this world has ever seen. When will people start seeing that religion is a man-made concept, and anything created by man, is controlled by man. Religion is the opiate of the masses - karl marx

LB 8/19/2008 11:20:58 AM
If you believe in Christianity you believe in Satanism. Religion has been the greatest contributor to death and suffering this world has ever seen. When will people start seeing that religion is a man-made concept, and anything created by man, is controlled by man. Religion is the opiate of the masses - karl marx

Child of God 8/19/2008 11:21:04 AM
....things are going "so well" in SA. Reading all of the comments on this article it just confirms the state our nation is in - lost. Luckily, I KNOW God exist and I KNOW that the spiritual realm is more real than the blood flowing through our veins.

RPM 8/19/2008 11:21:12 AM
That is what God has called us to.As Christians (of which I'm proud to be called)we are called to pray not just for ourselves but society in general so these kind of atrocities cease to be a daily occurance especially in our country.This is one way we can arrest the devil from spreading this kind of evil in our country, i mean things like murder,rape,corruption. Whether you're religious or an atheist you can't deny that we suffer as a country from these crimes and many others to many to mention.

Lumukanda 8/19/2008 11:21:12 AM
of course evil exists, but it's not solely restricted to depressed teenagers dressed in black, take a look at the world leaders, with their secret societies, their bohemian groves, the symbolism they use. that's where the real evil lies! why else do we have a world where millions of people die and starve in the names of 'freedom' and 'capitalism'!

L van Heerden 8/19/2008 11:21:42 AM
How do you know that what you experienced was "Lord's Grace" as compared to the deception of Satan who can pretend to be the grace of the lord, since the lords lets him do as he please, including murder innocent children?

Kane 8/19/2008 11:22:12 AM
I, like many others born into a christian family..Were christian for 17 years, baptism, church, and truly believing. But as I got older I realized there is no God, so I know both sides of the argument. Getting free of that imaginary shackle named "God" was the best thing to ever happen to me. Brains are a wonderful thing when used. RE : Experiencing god, THAT'S YOUR BRAIN! It has the power to do wonderful things. People who are psychotic also believe they see what they do, religion is a psychosis

ross 8/19/2008 11:22:24 AM
This letter is possibly the most rediculous thing i have ever read... Societies increasing disbelief in satan is directly proportional to the total growth of psycologists over the last few hundred years? AND meatloaf is a prophet of satan?... my day is complete.

Nemo 8/19/2008 11:22:28 AM
I'm disturbed by how many people there in that have nothing to believe in. I'm a Christian, and I'm sorry, but I have more respect for the Jewish and Islam than I have for those that have no faith, and mocks us Christians. Everybody have the right to believe what ever they want to believe. But stop making fun of my religion. Or is the ridicule a sign of doubt in the hearts of the faithless?

Jason 8/19/2008 11:23:28 AM
Ephesians 6:12 - For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.

RyDatGuy 8/19/2008 11:25:02 AM
I've never read anything more desperately needed on this website, for this country. Thanks for a beautiful prayer - God Bless us all - even those who don't believe. And may God have mercy on that kid's soul and may He welcome the slain child into His Kingdom. Ciao, i have work to do

Oom_Kosie 8/19/2008 11:25:47 AM
Frequently, if I am subjected to listening sokkiejol stamp treffers for more than 5 minutes, I get a terrible urge to start killing. Does this make Nicholis Louw a satanist? No. It just makes him an awful musician! On the other hand, listening to KOBUS!'s "Kinderhel" or "Amen" with lyrics like "Die maan se trane: strome bloed wat rooi vloei in die grou!" relaxes me. It's like watching Die Hard - it is relaxing, it doesn't make me want to throw Germans off buildings.

Shaz 8/19/2008 11:27:38 AM
Satan's laughing at all of you because you're giving him the attention he wants.That's exactly what God has told us to watch out for, spending time and effort on someone as evil as Satan!God exists and He's proved it to me time and again.Our kids are violent, because they don't get taught morals and standards.It's a fact, kids who listen to heavy metal music dabble in Satanism, don't kid yourselves!I pray for each and everyone of you.

Giddo 8/19/2008 11:28:21 AM
The NG Church resently appointed a commission to investigate the exsistance of the devil.. it looks like he lives somewhere in Krugersdorp.. Did Hansie Cronje say anything about satans whereabouts?

Oom_Kosie 8/19/2008 11:29:17 AM
Frequently, if I am subjected to listening sokkiejol stamp treffers for more than 5 minutes, I get a terrible urge to start killing. Does this make Nicholis Louw a satanist? No. It just makes him an awful musician! On the other hand, listening to KOBUS!'s "Kinderhel" or "Amen" with lyrics like "Die maan se trane: strome bloed wat rooi vloei in die grou!" relaxes me. It's like watching Die Hard - it is relaxing, it doesn't make me want to throw Germans off buildings.

Ernst Geyser 8/19/2008 11:32:38 AM
You seem to make the assumption that I have never been to a christian church. I was brought up as a christian... or more accurately commanded to believe and not to question! If I told you that the sky is green, you dont choose to believe it, either you do or you dont. Saying that I am angry with God is the same as saying I am angry at Santa Claus, I believe in neither. I dont hate Jesus either, I think he was a pretty cool dude. I am the satanist, but you carry the anger and the hatred. phuleeez!

Big Bad Bob 8/19/2008 11:32:48 AM
I don't think you understand how the game is played. Charismatic preachers will always play the blame game: You listen to the wrong music, you don't have enough faith etc etc as long as things don't work out as they prophecised. Which is most of the time.

Point Blank 8/19/2008 11:34:03 AM
I don't think Ernst has any hatred towards God I think you just seeing it that way. Satan was created by Christians for Christians, no one else believes in that. I am an atheist so i don't believe in either of them, I do however believe that there are good people and bad people and some good people become bad and visa versa. I ask you how you could worship a god who has such a low esteem to actually send people to burn in hell for eternity for not choosing him in a single human lifetime..no thanks you can keep your god then, i certainly will not be prescribing myself to that type of indoctrination thank you very much, sounds like he has too many issues. And just remember in order for God to exist Satan does too.

KLZ 8/19/2008 11:34:18 AM
I Love Jesus, God is Love......I pray for every soul to get the revelation of how crazy in love Christ is with all of humanity regardless of whether you believe in him or not. God is Great and to all Christians out there, he is more than capable of fighting His own battles. The only responsibility on our side is to make him known and conduct our lives in a manner that Glorifies his Mighty and Holy Name, Amen - Let it be.

Assassin 8/19/2008 11:34:20 AM
You can't call yourself a christian if you are judgemental too. That's what you christians are like, only good on Sundays, the rest of the time you are just one of the crowed.

Tebogo 8/19/2008 11:34:26 AM
"I will do anything for love, but I won't do that..." very demonic. "Imagine all the people living life in peace...." very satanic. GET REAL!!!! NOW I HAVE HEARD IT ALL!!!!! Please give me the socks you are SMOKING!!!!!

Nkosinathi 8/19/2008 11:35:03 AM
Just as i was thinking of writing almost the same article Nkateko gathered courage in the face of a very critical world and wrote it.I really congratulate you for this well written article.As a nation of SA we ought to diplore the day we took christianity out of schools in the name of humanism.We have allowed a lot of new age docrine nonsense to replace Godly principles and then we cry foul when such evil overtakes our kids.The answer lies with bringing back Godly values.

Point Blank 8/19/2008 11:35:05 AM
In order for "god" to exist, "satan" must exist too.

Man of God 8/19/2008 11:36:40 AM
It is so sad to realise how far people people can go and attack Our Almighty God in defence of the devil. What happened at krugersdorp is no child play and we should be all ashamed of this. One thing for sure, it is not the work of God. It is the devil. Believe it or not. Satan lives.

Metal 4 Ever! 8/19/2008 11:37:23 AM
I?ve been listening to Heavy Metal my entire life, including Slipknot, Lamb of God, Iron Maiden, ManOWar, Ministry and the list goes on and on. Yes, there are a lot of songs that could be considered as ?evil? I even own a couple of swords, but I never found myself going to work with it!!! Music cannot make you do anything you don?t want to do, the boy is mentally sick, and should rather listen to boooom 4 or 8 or what ever number it is on and leave my music alone!!!!

Daryl 8/19/2008 11:37:30 AM
I guess if Meatloaf and the beetles are prophets of Satan then Britney Spears and Paris Hilton must be satan's offspring, Micheal Jackson must be satan's bitch and George bush is obviously satan's 3rd cousin. Hmmmm Wonder how Rober Mugabe fits in to this satanic prophecy, hey Nkateko?

Oom_Kosie 8/19/2008 11:38:52 AM
Are you afraid of goat skulls, Mikey? Has a goat's skull ever attacked you? "Ohh, thar be goat skulls over yonder! Take yer pistol!" Francois is right in saying that foolish people who think they are Christians make themselves afraid of all kinds of poppycock. If you are a Christian, you have nothing to fear and you should know that goat skulls or bear patellas or frog jawbones or whatever can't do anything to you. Go listen to Battery 9's "Iets om te Blameer" and you'll feel better.

Natasha 8/19/2008 11:40:05 AM
I agree! - Natasha

Gee PMB 8/19/2008 11:40:08 AM
I have played and listend to music since I can remember. I was weened ion Black Sabath, Deepe Purple, AC/DC, Pink Floyd to name a few. Religious Zealots even played my music backwards to try and fund subliminal messages. Today I am a well adjusted adult, have well adjusted tenage kids who know right from wrong. Fanatics will always try and find scapegoats for their insecurities! Get over it!

Granny 8/19/2008 11:42:01 AM
?Professing themselves to be wise - they became fools!? Nkateko, Please realise that if someone sings of hell or the devil, it does not make them a Satanist ? the same as someone slamming their hand in the door and shouting ?Jesus Christ!? does not make them a Christian! What does tickle my mind though - is that when someone gets a fright or gets hurt they use the name of ?Jesus? ? yet they do not use the name of say, ?Noddy?, or ?Ghandi?, ?Mother Theresa?, or even Lucifer? Does that not say something as to the validity of their, ?own? belief in God? If you do not believe God/Jesus exists, then why use His name? Firstly, to those of you that have lumped them together - ?Imagine? was not written by the Beatles ? it was, and is, purely a work of John Lennon! However, for those that claim such extraordinary knowledge of music not being used to ?influence?? On the ?double white album?, the Beatles have a track on the second album which has back-tracking incantations serving Lucifer. Another point of note is that ?Lucy in the sky with Diamonds? was solely dedicated by the Beatles to Lucifer -- who is the lord of the air and the earth. The Beatles also recorded African and Haitian spiritual rituals to incorporate the ?drum beats? into their music so as to produce a more spiritual effect to some of their music. They also spent extensive time in India (Mia Farrow was with them) speaking to practitioners of eastern spiritual practices to enhance their own understanding and to pass it through their music. The Rolling Stones did an album called ?Goats head soup? with a photo of a goats head in a cauldron and pentagram ? now tell me this is not for Satan? Another point of note is the lead singer of Cream said in an interview, ??if the parents knew what we were doing to their kids minds, they would hang us from the nearest lamp pole?? The Eagles sang their version of hell in the song ?Hotel California?, so the influence of heaven and hell ? God and Satan is carried in lots of music. NOW ? being an ex-Satanist, music is used in various forms for incantations, etc - mostly those with satanic drum beats and influence! So, to those that claim music does not affect someone ? you are right, but it does not detract from the fact that many groups/individuals write to serve their ?lord? ? the same goes for Christianity ? written to serve their ?Lord?. I read with a heavy heart what all of you say - for and against Satan and God. Their non-existence and the false blame for one or the other as to the ?influencing? or ?making? us humans do bad or good things. However, the choice still remains with the individual ? Satan or God cannot MAKE you kill ? simple! Does music influence/make people do bad things ? NO! We have an amazing thing called free choice, so no matter what ? it is your choice. Too many people are of a ?bad character? and pass the blame onto Lucifer/Satan, or when something goes wrong, they blame God. Unfortunately Satan has become the scapegoat of the Christian community?they pass the buck instead of being accountable for their own actions, words, desires and sin. So, both sides blame him for their wrong doings. Is Satan real ? I have been in his presence physically and he was my lord for many years ? Psychologists deny him because he cannot be quantified? My doctorate thesis is on the disparity between the ?Psychological and Spiritual aspects of spiritual influence in mentally disturbed patients?, and having studied 43 religions and beliefs, I do not come from a stand point of just saying ?what I fell? but quantified in ?what I have experienced to be true?. Does God exist ? I tell you what ? call out to him, and invite him into your life, to prove himself - and then you decide!!!!

Child of God 8/19/2008 11:44:48 AM
I am sorry if my comment made you think I hate people that does not believe in God..."but you carry the anger and the hatred"...I do not hate anybody that doesn't know God. I pray for them.

Child of God 8/19/2008 11:48:44 AM
I never said satan doesn't exist. I believe in his existance and also in his capability! I haven't said one aggresive/nasty word towards any religion or satan himself, because I know that Jesus wouldn't/didn't do that, so I can't understand why you and the rest of the people with your comments are so "aggresive".

M 8/19/2008 11:49:52 AM
satanists (that follow the definition, not the crazy bunch that think they do). Why? Because once man thinks he is above all with his couple of braincells he is bound to fall or think he can do anything and everything like rule the world. They clearly overestimate their own abilities. After all they remain human and therefor fallible.

RPM 8/19/2008 11:51:45 AM
To all in this forum, may God open our eyes of understanding, reveal His truth to us in its entirety, forgive us of our sins including that of ignorance to the knowledge of Him. May God richly bless each and every one of us not just in this forum, but also in this country as well as the whole world.

q 8/19/2008 11:51:54 AM
Satanism is real and its so clearly visible how many he have deceived by just looking at some of these comments. In revelations 12 it says the the devil is the deceiver of the whole world and here is our proof. come on guys you are just proving the Bible to be right. during the coming tribulation period, God's wrath will be poured on the godless people.Many eschatologists know thatthe time is here so when these acts of God come upon you maybe then you'll realise that without God you are nothing

Child of God 8/19/2008 11:52:34 AM
Believe me - this is NO game! This is only part of reality...I know there's many pastors/preachers/dominees that do what you just said, but that is practicing religion...and as I've said - there is SUCH a big difference between Christianity and children of God. Christianity is what most people has mentioned here (like playing a game, as you've mentioned), but being a child of God is having a living relationship with the Trinity.

envirokid 8/19/2008 11:54:37 AM
but there is Someone watching over us. Just let Him into your heart and you will understand.

proud to be white 8/19/2008 11:57:37 AM
Dude just like you I have listened to metal most of my life,the thing that worries me is they say he was influenced by joey from slipknot,but he was wearing a baraclava and painted he's face black,joey doesnt look like that,very far from it,isnt convenient that people always blame metal if something like this happens,I bet 90% have nver really listened to a metal song in their life.

RPM 8/19/2008 11:57:41 AM
God doesn't send people to hell, they volunteer by rejecting Him as their lord and Saviour

Point Blank 8/19/2008 11:58:28 AM
If you truly believe you were in the presence of a spiritual being then you were. The mind is a truly powerful thing... Drugs alter the mind and when you hullicinate you truly believe you are doing the things you're doing or in a place you think you are... Unquestionable belief does that to you.

Big Bad Bob 8/19/2008 11:59:16 AM
I really must protest. It is mostly the non-christians in this debate who have tried to use logic and to work from a factual base. It is also possible that one might not agree with Nkateko or with Pastor Pierre from Famcare Ministries and to still be a Christian. You, on the other hand, equate disagreement with an attack on God. I would hope that it is superstition, poor logic, lies and a blinkered world view that I am attacking.

Gee PMB 8/19/2008 12:00:01 PM
I have been to happy clappy churches and watched and heard their musicians start wuth "happy" music and slowly but sureky slow it to a hyonotic dirge with the minister/pastor starting his incantations and cohorting the congregation to believe and talk in tongues. Some music was back-masked with subliminal messages but if it was so bad, then why do we not have a world full of mindless killers and devil worshipers? Your argument is very flawed!

Annie 8/19/2008 12:00:35 PM
You go Granny - Nice to hear an ex-satanist telling it how it is ! I am sure you will be lambasted - waiting with bated breath !

Duiwel de Villiers 8/19/2008 12:04:02 PM
Come on boys and girls: this is getting out of hand! Let's have some of the qualified theologians to pronounce on the matter: perhaps Unisa's dr. J. Strijdom and other know-alls? Satan does not exist: He is a metaphor for the evil in us for which we will not take responsibility! A convenient excuse. To exorcise Him--look first at yourself! Satan does not exist, except impersonated bysome grey-shoed, white-tied dominees who preach a twisted 'morality' from the preekstoel!

Mark V 8/19/2008 12:05:00 PM
I pray that God have mercy on us for being so judgmental and unforgiving. You are not right and I am not right. We all stand in the grace of God or the lack thereof. Christianity as portrayed by most who attack it is the pretended following of a set of rules and doing the opposite of the "unbeliever's" religion. Yes you also have a religion, what else are you defending?

Robert 8/19/2008 12:13:09 PM
That this actually got posted! Sigh...

Bob 8/19/2008 12:13:27 PM
I am fascinated that people can believe so fervently in a book written almost 2000 years ago, by multiple authors, and translated numerous times. Gee, people, you have a mind, use it. I read a book a number of years ago, that said debit cards are evil, or will be.... so, do Christians use them, then?. You are assuming God/Satan exist... you know what they say about assumption, don't you?.

bj 8/19/2008 12:23:50 PM
Nerno you are a hypocrite. You say "Everybody have the right to believe what ever they want to believe" then you say you have no respect for aetheists. Do they not have the right to believe that there is no mystical being controlling everything.

proud to be white 8/19/2008 12:23:54 PM
I'm not saying who is right and who is wrong about satanism and cristianity,however I do believe that this child who did this is seriously fu***d in the head and should be locked away for the rest of he's natural life,I think that he just used satan and satanism as a convenient excuse so that everyone would say awww shame he was influenced by satan

Leon 8/19/2008 12:25:44 PM
MyNews24 is a place for people to air their views. If you do not agree Nkateko then fair. But do not slate her because she has the guts to stand for something she believes in. Thank you for the article.(Fellow Christian)

Zoo Keeper 8/19/2008 12:26:23 PM
The real issue is the kid, and the upbringing which scarred him. Shout about devils and gods as much as you like but that's not going to change the core truth. Religion allows people to avoid taking responsibility - "it's God's will" or "Satan made me do it". It's the people's fault, not some diety or anything else.

Christian Metalhead 8/19/2008 12:27:29 PM
Blaming the music for this killing is really being a coward.I listen to the band whose mask he wore and i have never felt the urge to kill someone because of the music. He might have been demon possesed depending obviously in the kind of satanism he was involved in but at the end of the day all he wanted and needed was help and attention(he sure as hell got the attention!!). Surely his parents could've seen his state?! May Jesus forgive him and guide him through the rest of his life!!!

lucky sethosa 8/19/2008 12:32:20 PM
whether christian.muslim,african,hindu or any other religion there is a common law if we abide by it we will live a happy life that law is ; love your fellow human being and treat them the way you would like to be treated,this is called ubuntu or humanity,this requires that your religious affiliation does not matter,I will respect,love and care for u irrespective of who you are,where u come from and what you are doing

TTBoy 8/19/2008 12:37:35 PM
.... so is the easter bunny and farther christmas

ross 8/19/2008 12:37:37 PM
"lucy in the sky with diamonds" About LUCIFER!? no... about L.S.D maybe. Some even believe its about a girl the band knew named lucy, but thats just crazy talk.

Karen 8/19/2008 12:38:53 PM
You think sceptics are fooling themselves and they think religious people are fooling themselves. In my opinion we are all fooling ourselves so why don't we just agree to let it be. What makes sense to you and gives your life meaning does nothing for me and I have found something else that makes more sense to me and gives my life meaning. As long as you are living in harmony with yourself, others and the world what harm is there? Why does somebody have to be right? Nobody can prove or disprove anything conclusively. For every example to prove there is an equally valid example to disprove.

BigBang 8/19/2008 12:40:12 PM
99% of all wars were started because of / in the name of ... religion. So what is evil? Religion is based on fear, and you can see it in most of the replies. Look at the sect killings all over, all the horrible things done to people and children in the name of god.

Mark V 8/19/2008 12:40:27 PM
The only comment worth reading. Written out of experience and not emotion. Thank you Granny.

Matthew Bossenger 8/19/2008 12:43:14 PM
Please do some research before writing an article here - there is NO RESEARCH to back your claim that violent behaviour is linked to listening to heavy metal music, etc. In fact, some psychologists think listening to such music is actually a way for some people to release their anger.

Point Blank 8/19/2008 12:46:58 PM
Show me where my comments were aggressive? All I have done is express my views... it is the mainly pro-christians who have been the aggressor, the ignorant and the intolerant.

Tshovitsho 8/19/2008 12:50:53 PM
There are lots of people out there who serve Satan and have been led to believe that there is no way out. That's a lie. You can be free. Jesus has ALL the power to set you free from that bondage. You don't have to go on doing all these things that you don't want anymore. Jesus loves you and can set you free. Just whisper this simple prayer to Him, "Jesus, please forgive me my sins and save me". He is there to help you out. DTL

mb 8/19/2008 12:52:23 PM
Intense stuff I tell you!!!

Morgoth 8/19/2008 12:53:46 PM
All you scientific minded out there! As a student of science many answers are given to describe the world we live in. I am not religous, but science have not answered the interesting questions of our existance. WHY? Why do we exist. Science explains the means, the HOW. Thus we try to rationalize our existance. Enter religion to help fill the gaps.

Juliet 8/19/2008 1:05:39 PM
Thousands of people listen to heavy metal music every single day and enjoy it. Thousands of these people are not Christians or Satanists, they are just people who enjoy heavy metal music. I for one do not enjoy heavy metal, but I do understand others tastes. The child who killed his school mate is mentally unwell ! I have had many bad days in my life and have not gone out and killed anyone. and 99.99% of sane people will not go out and kill because of a song or a movie.

The Anti Bunnys Auntie 8/19/2008 1:08:40 PM
Do you not think that we have not done research... A little bit of proper research will show you just how idiotic Religion and Christianity in particular is... Did you know, that other than in the Gospels (which were written way after Jesus Died BTW) there is absolutely no mention of Jesus even existing in any other written documentation from that time. & BTW, scientists have "evolved" an eye from DNA in laboratories. You obviously do not Watch Discovery or Nat Geographic Channels

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