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Why I won't apologise

2008-03-03 11:42

Jon Qwelane

I have written a formal letter to the SA Human Rights Commission asking it to investigate the nauseating tendency of Radio 702 to manufacture "news" through its "in-your-face" arrogance and so-called "pushing the envelope" because, in my view, that tendency violates the public's constitutional right to be informed.

I am writing another letter to the Broadcasting Complaints Commission to ask it why it lets that station mislead the public with "news" that is not entirely truthful, accurate, honest and balanced as the code requires.

At the outset I must disclose that I spent nearly 10 years of my life working at 702: some might say I have axes to grind and scores to settle, but I feel that I am qualified to comment with knowledge on the manner in which 702 functions, having been exposed to its methods for so long.

I want to state unequivocally here that black people have every right to assemble by themselves to discuss whatever affects them directly; we do not need anybody's approval, and it is time blacks asserted themselves and stopped apologising at every turn for attempting to correct the debilitating situation they find themselves in, through no fault of their own.

We have the right to meet by ourselves to seek solutions to the huge crises affecting our communities, because we experience and live the pain and misery of black people in this country. Unlike 702, white people and coconuts, we do not intellectualise about our experiences, we live them: we are painfully aware of the pressures and social ills afflicting our people, especially our children and our youth.

Racists and coconuts always quote Nelson Mandela as "having no bitterness in him, why can't you be like him?" That is one of the reasons why I believe that the so-called policy of reconciliation is a farce, and the real racists have never acknowledged or appreciated the hurt and dehumanisation they visited upon us in our own country.

False sense of comfort

Because some people pretend not to know what I mean by "coconuts", I am referring to those "plastic" blacks who are shallow and superficial in outlook - those unfortunate lackeys who are trapped between aspiring to be white and denying they are black; they have only ice-cream inside their heads, and no brains.

The tendency by racists and some blacks with white girlfriends and lovers to label us as "racists" is convoluted sophistry, and I reject it outright. Perhaps it gives them a false sense of comfort to shift the unbecoming label to us, the real victims of racism.

Black journalists have the constitutional right to free assembly, meaning at such assembly we have the right to associate freely. Implicit in all this is our freedom to choose with whom to associate. What all that means is that we have the right to reject and eject from our midst whomever we wish. We do not - at least I don't - apologise for that stance.

The freedom to assemble on grounds of mutual interest is exercised - among many other groupings - by the SA Jewish Board of Deputies, the Afrikaner Sakekamer, and the Greek, Italian, and German Chambers of Commerce. I am not aware that 702 ever staged a song and dance about the exclusivity of these groups!

But 702 thought we were a soft target, and with typical arrogance they provocatively came to our meeting with the distinct purpose of causing mischief. Steven Grootes carried a tape recorder to our off-the-record briefing with Msholozi; his boss, Yusuf Abramjee, came armed with a boring speech, which he held in trembling hands, while his fawning sidekick, one Kieno Kammies, was a pathetic little "militant" proclaiming he would walk out because his white colleague had been ejected.

Mark you, FBJ interim chairperson Abbey Makoe had, in two interviews with 702, made it patently clear that the meeting would be open to black journalists only.

Abramjee pompously lectured us about our "unacceptable" decision. Kammies, trying very hard to sound important, claimed that Helen Zille and Allister Sparks had brought them - presumably meaning the 702 crowd - to where they were as journalists, and more such incredible rubbish.

I later learned that 702 news editor Katy Katopodis had asked the SAHRC to investigate the FBJ, and that Sanef had uttered similar nonsense. Sanef chairperson Jovial Rantao was himself one of Bulelani Ngcuka's favoured darkies at his blacks-only "off-the-record" briefing where Zuma was rubbished and tried in absentia. Both Sanef and 702 saw nothing wrong in that, only content to feast daily on Ngcuka's unlawful tactics and utterances!

A simple lesson

I then wrote a counter-complaint to SAHRC chairperson Jody Kollapan about the hypocrisy of 702, asking him to investigate its habit of "manufacturing news" - thereby violating the public's constitutional right to be informed with news that is honest, truthful and accurate.

If Abramjee, Katopodis, and Kammies are indeed concerned about our alleged "racism", then they are being disingenuously inconsistent: their uberbosses, the Kirsch family - the true owners of Primedia and 702 - are affiliates of the SA Jewish Board of Deputies, yet I have not once heard even a whimper of protest by our unlikely liberators Sultan Abramjee and his cohorts.

Charity ought to begin at home; Abramjee, Katopodis and the rest - if they are honest - must demand that the Kirsch dynasty cut ties with the exclusivist SAJBOD and ask the SAHRC to "investigate" it. Anything less means they are in reality grandstanding frauds, concerned only about the Kirsch shekels - which I strongly suspect to be the case.

Radio 702 must be taught a simple lesson, because they clearly do not know it: the right of freedom of association implies the freedom to choose with whom to associate or NOT to associate - with whites, in our case as the FBJ. To paraphrase Plato, in a free society free black people associate freely!

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xp 3/3/2008 11:51:36 AM
Many thanks Jon, now I have a right to join a whites-only organisation too! I don't feel so bad after all!

Mampara 3/3/2008 11:52:16 AM
It's strange how vocal the racist fringe has become now that Zuma is acquiring more power. Poor Jon has so mush injustice festering inside that it clouds his judgement. It's sad that he's allowed to use this forum as his personal podium.

Paul 3/3/2008 11:53:13 AM
As far as i am concerned who cares if you don't want to appologise, it would mean nothing anyway. Lets have a whites only meeting, i am sure it will be more to the point and efficient without you.

tanya 3/3/2008 11:56:59 AM
Racist

nick 3/3/2008 11:58:30 AM
why are you actually still employed here? i am more than confident that if any jewish, greek blablabla group had the future president of the country attending their meeting they wouldn't bar journalists of other groups from attending. so your argument to defend your racism is useless as usual.

Tanya M 3/3/2008 11:58:34 AM
Where to start. Firstly, we're all entiled to our opinions is it not so? So why, when people come forward to say they think the exclusve gathering is wrong, do you jump down their throats and call them coconuts? Can I call my Indian colleague a coolie now? Have we determined that using these horrid names are ok if we're black (as i am)? We need to abide by what we say is wrong accross the colour spectrum. And even if the Jewish Board and Afrikaner Forum is wrong...

Dave 3/3/2008 11:59:04 AM
Jonboy, that chip on your shoulder is getting so heavy, you are starting to walk in circles.

fern 3/3/2008 11:59:12 AM
A racist.

NeoTEch 3/3/2008 11:59:36 AM
The ANC fought for equal rights and for the death of apartheid. The FBJ 'comitted' apartheid by excluding another race exclusivly on their skin color, that goes against the spirit of South Africa. It's that simple Jon - why can't you understand it? Maybe it is you that have cream in your head instead of brains. And talk radion 702 rule! Amandla!

anon 3/3/2008 11:59:41 AM
"Radio 702 must be taught a simple lesson, because they clearly do not know it: the right of freedom of association implies the freedom to choose with whom to associate or NOT to associate - with whites, in our case as the FBJ. To paraphrase Plato, in a free society free black people associate freely!" Listen here BROTHER! An address by the ANC leader is something that has an affect on SOUTH AFRICANS. Just because he is black should not make this a black event. I dislike you so much it hurts :(

kwk 3/3/2008 11:59:41 AM
Wrong, I'm no expert at the constitution, but in the way the ANC sold their struggle and dream to the world, people were not, in fact, going to have the right to assemble themselves to the exclusion of anybody else on the basis of race, even for issues that specifically concern them. I too criticise 702, for not pointing out similar transgressions earlier, that in retrospect were testing the waters for the way we are regressing now.Everything that the presidential candidate says,concerns everybdy

Pissed off 3/3/2008 11:59:42 AM
You are just angry because 702 fired you after you began to lose the plot! Only been downhill since your 702 departure.

creech 3/3/2008 12:00:01 PM
U are the biggest racist I have ever met in my entire life,I am still wondering how news24 can still published your hate speech each and every week,you are nothing more than a propaganda speaker for the ANC,and it is people like you who expect and demand white children and people of today apologise for apartheid,you and the rest who think like you should get it in your heads,MY GENERATION WAS NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR APARTHEID,stop taking it out on us!!!!!!

Jason 3/3/2008 12:01:28 PM
I too think there is nothing wrong with it, but let white people also, I quote "have every right to assemble by themselves".

Joe Combes 3/3/2008 12:02:33 PM
Quote "At the outset I must disclose that I spent nearly 10 years of my life working at 702: some might say I have axes to grind and scores to settle," Yes I would say. Your insulting remarks about Abramjee, Kammies etc proves this.

Vic 3/3/2008 12:03:06 PM
All this is good and well, but what would you do and say if a group of white people held a meeting and specifically stated that it is for whites only and denied entry to blacks?

Ben S 3/3/2008 12:03:42 PM
"White people have the constit. right to free assembly, meaning at such assembly we have the right to associate freely. Implicit in all this is our freedom to choose with whom to associate, ie whites only. What all that means is that we have the right to reject and eject from our midst al the blacks and coloureds. We do not - at least I don't - apologise for that stance." If a whitey says this in the media he is slammed a racist, but its your quote almost verbatim(just modified! Jon u racist!

Sevendust 3/3/2008 12:04:11 PM
You keep flapping your gums "We We We We" but do you actually live in a squatter camp? ... You're nothing but a militant blow-hard with nothing better to do.

Calvin Mkhize 3/3/2008 12:04:22 PM
Well written article, blacks should stop seeking approval from whites in establishing black forums, be it seeking to address the past inequalities or media distortions. Neither should they justify their reasons to anyone in establishing these black professional forums. As for the coconuts, they are welcome to jump together with their white masters to the nearest lake. The time for seeking "white mandate" is over and belongs to the past. They are at liberty to form their own White Forum.

Tshepo 3/3/2008 12:04:36 PM
It is so lovely to see how you insult your own people. Funny to think that the people that are trying to work toward unity are being classified as coconuts. You should definitely be working for the ANC government. It is truly sad to see the massive mountain rising infront of our nation. It does seem so strange that once again rules change based on who and what it applies too. SAD SAD SAD

anon 3/3/2008 12:05:03 PM
this is very peculiar. when university students prefer to share a room with a person of the same colour they are called racist - but when you do it, it's called freedom of association. Double standards maybe??

Proven Again 3/3/2008 12:05:10 PM
Sorry J-A-C-K that is why you will never be in the same league as the rest of us. Every time you say something or do something you prove it to the world that your intellect is inferior. You have just proved it again. Thanks

wim 3/3/2008 12:05:10 PM
Vintage JQ - adolescent ranting, aimed at eliciting an outraged response; the hallmark of the mediocre columnist.

Jim 3/3/2008 12:05:21 PM
Jon, I am a whitey. I respect your right to freedom of association. My request to you and the coconuts and hazelnuts and peanuts and whatever other nuts read your column is purely - Practise what you preach. By default any grouping of purely "White" people is then acceptable.

The Truth 3/3/2008 12:05:23 PM
you get Jews of all colours and persuasions,so to compare your racist "FBJ" to the membership of Jewish Board of Deputies holds no water.And I also note that you continue to arrogantly display your use of the word coconut. So I take it that you are not denying that you referred to those non-whites who don't share your racist views,and with their integrity intact, walked out of the "exclusive" JZ briefing as "coconuts"?

chops 3/3/2008 12:05:38 PM
You really hate everything white and enjoy living in the past hey? Those seems to be the main things you write and think about. You should be more like the progressive coconuts you talk about and less like the victim of apartheid you make yourself out to be. Just a thought, leave it with you. Use it, don't use it...

Tanya M 3/3/2008 12:06:33 PM
No one asked for your apology, but dont expect to get it from the innocent white people who had nothing to do with the oppression. Stop acting like you were flogged in the past, and stop your angry and revengeful thoughts, else we'll go nowhere except back. We're not helping the future generation bring on peace at all by carrying on like a bunch of hooligans, and thats a name most of us South Africans can call ourselves...

Gunny Morgan 3/3/2008 12:07:12 PM
Hi John, I agree totally with you. We own 10% of the JSE, 15% of the country where we are 90% of the population. Did 702 ever raised this as inhuman and against human rights. As a so-called coloured I find Kammies behaviour typical ass-leaking white "verskrik". If I was in any country I be classified as black. I am proud to be black and I find my black wife very beautifull. Away with apartheid induced complexes!!!

calvados 3/3/2008 12:08:24 PM
you go to great lengths to rationalise and legitimise your position. is freedom absolute, equal for all now, today in SA? or is it still "payback"? honest question as i would like to know where i stand?

Not Jon again 3/3/2008 12:08:28 PM
Funny how you just look more like an idiot every time I read your column.

Juan 3/3/2008 12:09:06 PM
Jon, you say that "Black journalists have the constitutional right to free assembly.." I have NO problem with that BUT this VERY SAME constitution also says it's ILLEGAL to discriminate (i.e. eject/limit) people on the basis of race/sex/relligion etc. You simply CANNOT just be selective of which laws/points in the constitution you wish to adhere to. To eject white journalists basically in 'revenge for apartheid' is childish, and one wonders how objective these remaining journalists can be!

fuzzy 3/3/2008 12:09:32 PM
You are entitled to have a meeting as you descibe, you have the right to assemble yourselfs, but you have absolutley NO RIGHT to bar any one from such a meeting, escpecially based on RACE.

Chris 3/3/2008 12:09:53 PM
That's fine by me, mate. As long as it means that whites can now also organise themselves in schools, business, neighbourhoods and other organisations in a way that expressly excludes blacks solely on the ground of their skin colour. This whole non-racial thing was never going to work anyway.

Ben S 3/3/2008 12:10:00 PM
So according to you, apartheid was okay? I mean, wasn't that also the "rights" of whites to only associate with whites? Your logic stinks, Jon. Apartheid, FBJ, or any kind of organisation that excludes a certain race, is wrong!

NorthernExposure 3/3/2008 12:10:57 PM
In your article you harp on freedom to associate. I must agree with this as it is a right we all have. But how do you draw the line? With the current situation at the UFS( and I do not condone what happened there) are you not taking away the students right of association when you force intergration? When you force companies to have a certain nr of black employees are you not doing the same?

H.F Verwoerd 3/3/2008 12:11:00 PM
Jon, do you know what slander is. "Kirsch Shekels". i would expect a summons if i were you.

Monde Mhlophe 3/3/2008 12:11:10 PM
His response is spot-on. The constitution of t.his country gives black a choice of who to associate with. Before calling the FBJ a racist organisation, all organisation that are excluding blacks must be disbanded e.g. Jewish Board, AfrikanerHandelInstituut

Mundane 3/3/2008 12:11:30 PM
you old fool, i reject your viewpoints on the basis that you're racist. Jog on

Coconut 3/3/2008 12:11:56 PM
Your article is filled with so much anger - you really need to calm down. I am black and because I disagree with a blacks-only meeting I am now a coconut? You have no right to tell me how to behave as a black person and to what morals I must aspire to. The future president of this country has absolutely no ethics and morals, having to go and look in a dictionary what "crook" means.It is blacks like you and him that are prolonging the crises in the communities.

yussie 3/3/2008 12:11:57 PM
imagine a non black leader, especially a white leader calling a meeting with white journo's only...what kinda outbursts do you think the black community would have? c'mon, this ir PURE racism, nothing else. And what is more sad, is that you as a journo took this stance and said why i wont apologise. Come to think of it, I wonder if there will be a TRC session again soon when another colour of people take over the country!!! SAD SAD SAD

Rachel 3/3/2008 12:12:40 PM
You need to be arrested for your statements. Freedom of speech only goes so far dude, and jail, if not a mental institution, is the place for you. Go live in Zim man, let us heal our country, something you're not willing to do...i doubt you're suffering like most South Africans so your two cents is worth less than a Zim dollar.

al-pal 3/3/2008 12:13:17 PM
Well Jon it would seem the truth has come out.." scores to settle?"

dieanderOu 3/3/2008 12:13:51 PM
So as a employer, if I have the right of freedom of association I don't have to employ any black people, because I have the right not to associate with them. (you do associate with people when you work with them) It is great to have rights only if it suits you...

GBO 3/3/2008 12:14:21 PM
702 need a few good smacks about the head for the racist manner in which they conduct their talk shows. They pander to their largely racist white audience and contribute to the racial intolerance so pre-valent. Being part of the problem, there is no way they can offer a solution.Good for you for speaking out about them thank you Jon Q.

The Truth 3/3/2008 12:14:58 PM
Or do those processes only apply to previously white,Afrikaans speaking universities? It's no wonder we have these racial tensions in our country with people like you fostering them.

moronion 3/3/2008 12:15:14 PM
Jon. You are the weakest link.

Oi! 3/3/2008 12:16:42 PM
Again, John, you are disappointing me immensely! I alway loved your columns, but lately you have become a bitter rascist. Are you bemoaning the plight of the black man while you drive a nice car and live in a "previously advantaged" community. Your column has become one of the worst. I have a better idea: Let us all stop reading Mr Qwelane's column (it is not a column anymore, but more of a bad blog!).

hexen 3/3/2008 12:16:57 PM
Whilst I don't agree with associations based on race I'm intrigued to hear about 702's response to the JBOD issue.

jerry 3/3/2008 12:17:08 PM
Bravo!!!!!

Anton 3/3/2008 12:17:15 PM
Why the deafening silence about Mama Jackie, Jon? Where is your bravado now that she has been found guilty?

Ryan 3/3/2008 12:18:04 PM
Jon: (if you even read these comments, and if you pay any attention to it, because I know columnists are usually trying to spark outrage with their articles - it's part of the job.) But you,sir, strike me as a subjective journalist filled with hatred and injustice and a poor-me attitude that goes against every grain of reconciliation. In fact, those are adjectives that shouldn't describe a good journalist at all,yet you make it abundantly clear that you have an opinion and to hell with the rest.

Dex 3/3/2008 12:18:04 PM
Jon what utter rubbish, all the organisations you name are religious or languages nothing to do with colour of skin, you are the true racist having the need to justify yourself with rubbish. I can think just how full of rubbish your letter to SAHRC is if this article is anything to go by.

Coconut 3/3/2008 12:18:10 PM
Idiot!

Banana Republic 3/3/2008 12:18:26 PM
"Implicit in all this is our freedom to choose with whom to associate." I agree fully. So do whites in schools, universities, communities, shopping centers, sport etc, etc "We have the right to meet by ourselves to seek solutions to the huge crises affecting our communities, because we experience and live the pain and misery of black people in this country." Unfortionately, the whites have to share this.

yussie 3/3/2008 12:18:41 PM
go do a google search on Jon Qwelane and see how much of an angry person he is. Jon my ou, smoke a blunt. Loose your superiority complex and come back down to earth...

Nick S 3/3/2008 12:19:49 PM
Jon, I must admit you are a well balanced individual; you have a chip on both shoulders!

VLS 3/3/2008 12:19:59 PM
Jon I totally agree with you. Racists and the deluded coconuts continue to do their utmot to undermine the efforts of the black race to uplift itself. Ignore the right-wing comments by the bloggers on here, I most certainly have.

VinnyTheSaffer 3/3/2008 12:20:22 PM
You're no journalist Jon...you write only to be controvertial. I will not read your column again... You merely conjure up a few large words and then write a column around them...Including yourself in the larger grouping called "journalists" is like a trainee house painter calling himself an artist.

LJ 3/3/2008 12:20:31 PM
"The tendency by racists and some blacks with white girlfriends and lovers to label us as "racists" ". So now you;re judging people who are in inter racial relationships? Sjoe but you're more dumber than I thought, and you're more racist than the white people you hate so much.

Henri Fortuin 3/3/2008 12:20:57 PM
Separatism is a valid method for liberation, cf Zionism, Pan-Africanism. But the means should not become the end. We should discuss whether we want black leadership or black exclusiveness. The ANC allowed Joe Slovo onto the NEC only in 1985. If we allow black exclusiveness, we should not condemn white exclusiveness. The whole thing can unravel.

Ex SA 3/3/2008 12:21:29 PM
Thanks Jon, you have reaffirmed my decision to leave SA, I am so glad I have left such a racist country, the worst racist have the the previously disadvantaged. You can have SA, it is becoming Zim and I don't want a piece of a broken country.

Lorelai 3/3/2008 12:21:36 PM
As a white person, i can only shake my head. Most of the "black" people in this country has been teaching US what it means to be racist. Always bitching and moaning about apartheid and rasicm and inequality. Get over yourselves!! Its been ages, but still the "whites" get blamed for everything. Have your little gatherings, but don't shout rasicm if we do the same.

Dave 3/3/2008 12:22:57 PM
Good idea Jon you have your forum with your black press buddies and sit in the self righteous pios of lost years at the hand of the evil colonial dictators who have underminded your people! Hell it must be great to be a virtuous racist

Dylan 3/3/2008 12:23:00 PM
Just another reason to vote with ones feet.

cheryl 3/3/2008 12:23:36 PM
so a whites only get together is ok with you? really? lets see what you say if that happens. oh wait, it won't, the whites are not so racist!your article is too long to read and you are really not that important. also, take a chill pill, you are WAY to angry for a young man who didn't even live in the bad old days.

SJ 3/3/2008 12:23:40 PM
John, we challenge you to give us an idea on what was discussed. Interesting that your forum is hiding what was discussed. Future journalistic approaches from your cronies of the BJF on corruption and poor service delivery, maybe? Selective journalism from you and your cronies in future?

PK 3/3/2008 12:23:56 PM
I used to listen to JQ when he was at 702, whenever he said bad things about ANC, white people will call & tell him he is itelligent,but whenever he say something about Tony leon or whenever he said he support Mugabe they will call him a moron...Personally i feel most of the people are emotional they never want to adress the real issues(Racism,issues affecting black people)

Jacqui 3/3/2008 12:24:10 PM
What a load of rubbish! your hate mongering is pretty obvious John. It is really sad that there are still people as narrow minded and bitter as you. Get off you soap box and get a life. I'm sure you'd be first in line to complain if it was a group of white journalists wanting to get together. The colour of your skin shouldn't determine whether or not you can attend certain events... if I'm not mistaken, wasn't that what Apartheid/ segregation was all about?? makes u wonder...

Proud to be white 3/3/2008 12:24:47 PM
Jonboy, no-one really cares about you and your racist viewpoints. Why there is such an uproar I don't know. Let those who want to associate based on skin color do so. I am all for it. Soon it will be like the days of the still over-used "big excuse". Whites this side, blacks that side, brown here, yello there etc. Is that what you are aspiring to? I think racism is much more prevalent now than ever before. Tolerance is also at an all-time low.

NightCrawler 3/3/2008 12:25:20 PM
First to say thanks Tany M for your comment. I am white and it's refreshing to know that there are black people out there that actually do wanna move on. And in accordance to what Jon says, it's the same old pity party going on, as it is the only weapon he can use to get anywhere... So reverse racism is legal now? It's a pity, since this country after EVERYBODY'S struggle has so much going for it!

Jacques 3/3/2008 12:25:35 PM
So on the one side we have black people crucifying a University hostel for not wanting blacks. On the same web page a story about black who have a right to meet by themselves. I had hope for a new South Africa, but have lost it. I don't feel welcome in this country...

Mickey 3/3/2008 12:25:52 PM
I think the main arguement is not the fact the BJF exists, it is the fact that white people cannot participate because they are white. Is this not the main principle behind racism, Exclusion based on Race? I think if white people were still allowed to participate because they might be able to add some value, 702 would not have made an issue. Or do we only like white people when they are expected to particpate financially in upliftment programs?

Kris 3/3/2008 12:26:34 PM
are you saying here Jon. So any well-educated, hard working, informed black person who has no problem moving on in a democratic country is a "Coconut". You have some serious issues brother!!! Maybe the FBJ should be called a "Comrade Gathering". I'm sure the "coconuts" would simply them turn a blind eye. Get over it man!!!

Stephan 3/3/2008 12:27:19 PM
Yes we do have the right to choose who we want to associate with and who not. But what you are then also saying is that those dudes in Reitz in Bloem have the right to choose not to let blacks in their hostel! What if it was a black hostel doing it to a white guy? Would that have been racist? What if there was a FWJ? Would you lable them rasist? I'm sure you would, coz according to you all whites and coconuts are racist. But you'll never be racist, no matter how much you hate whites.

craig 3/3/2008 12:27:36 PM
You bitter little man...

Wackwack 3/3/2008 12:27:40 PM
Go get help...

Lost in space 3/3/2008 12:27:55 PM
i don't think that any of those Jewish groups will eject you from a meeting because you're the wrong colour and call you Nazi anti-semite. You seem to be trying very hard to justify a group that uses race criteria, no other cultural group has that criteria. Jews wouldnt join a Christian group, and the Christian group would not kick the Jews out from a meeting and insult them.

JP 3/3/2008 12:28:22 PM
ROFL! You crack me up dude!

rob 3/3/2008 12:28:45 PM
Funny how apartheid was depicted on television by those "Whites only" signboards and somehow you seem to think what you're doing is fine.... Get a grip my friend, there's only one word for what you're doing and its called RACISM...period.

Me 3/3/2008 12:29:03 PM
I am white. I grew up in America and had nothing to do with the past. I have read a few of your opinions and you are a rasist as far as I can see. Your double stndards are disgusting and offensive. Lets hope that there are very few people that think like you do otherwise this country really is in trouble. You have my pity Jon.

Paul 3/3/2008 12:30:32 PM
Jon you are fool. If it was said that only whites could assemble on the rugby field to represent their country, would you have a problem?

Mike Tours 3/3/2008 12:30:39 PM
Jon, you're like a broken record ... change the tune mate ...

Deon 3/3/2008 12:31:00 PM
Now you know how all white South Africans have felt for the last 13 years and why we do not feel the need to apologise for anything anymore.

OB1 3/3/2008 12:31:16 PM
Jon the SA Jewish Board of Deputies, the Afrikaner Sakekamer, and the Greek, Italian, and German Chambers of Commerce, are groupings of common INTEREST not SKIN COLOUR!! By using your logic, apartheid is then ok...you're an idiot! Calling ppl coconuts cos "they think like white ppl" as though white ppl are inferior, or saying that if you think like a white person then your head is filled with ice cream, is tantamount to racism and hate speech. You do nothing for your country or for reconciliation

Sinudeity 3/3/2008 12:31:22 PM
"Black journalists have the constitutional right to free assembly, meaning at such assembly we have the right to associate freely." - JQ White journalists dont?

Joe Soap 3/3/2008 12:31:42 PM
Please remove this rubbish from polluting our media

Paul 3/3/2008 12:31:43 PM
Jon you have proven yourself to be a racist on numerous occasions, so I am sure you will be happy when SA becomes another Zimbabwe then you and your fellow Blacks can share the rubble.

Luke 3/3/2008 12:31:51 PM
Dear Jon, nice to hear that "we have the right to reject and eject from our midst whomever we wish".

Johan 3/3/2008 12:33:47 PM
Jon, it seems you truly are as thick as you are rascist. The whole controversy is not about having the right to have an FBJ at all. It is because of the fact that NON-MEMBERS of the FBJ was allowed to stay PURELY because of their skin colour! If it was only FBJ members allowed then it would not have been an issue... And to constantly refer to coconuts! It merely states clearly that you have an open hatred towards white South Africans. We belong here too! Black,White,Coloured,Indian,etc.

padkos 3/3/2008 12:34:25 PM
Well clearly you are not a coconut, just a plain Racist Nut!!

JOHN2 3/3/2008 12:35:23 PM
Implicit in all this is our freedom to choose with whom to associate. What all that means is that we have the right to reject and eject from our midst whomever we wish

Sinudeity 3/3/2008 12:35:31 PM
Lets see, to join the Jewish board, you can change religion, and become Jewish. To join the Afrikaner business board, you can learn afrikaans, and join. For the BLACK journalist racists, err, oh, I cant change my skin colour. John = Racist

CAREFUL 3/3/2008 12:36:42 PM
Jon have you wondered or asked yourself why would ZUMA want to address a blacks only forum of journalists??? the dude is trying to use you guys 4 is own image building, just reading your article makes me wonder what crap ZUMA indoctrinated you with, Jon 4 SA to move forward we need to associate with other races, so we can be able to learn about each other and promote racial tolerance, all the racial problems( SKELIEK and OFS) are as a result of arrogance,, so please grow up and quit your nonsense

DHV 3/3/2008 12:37:25 PM
Wow Jon, it must really be hard being black and living in South Africa. I have never realised how dificult it must be to be born in a black skin. What can we do to make you feel better about yourself?

Antelope 3/3/2008 12:38:05 PM
As long as people read and comment on Jon Q's articles, he will be published. My suggestion is to no longer open any article written by Jon so that news 24 no longer feels the need to publish his rubbish. This would make space for a new journalist that was not hit on the head by a coconut as a child.

Michael 3/3/2008 12:38:20 PM
I have laid a formal complaint regarding the hate speach portrayed in this article. I would also like to point out that while we have freedom of association that law stands secondary to the constitutional law of no discrimination based on colour. You openly condone apartheid and use derogatory terms against anyone who is more moderate than you.

Get fired 3/3/2008 12:39:32 PM
Please get yourself fired and do us all a favour.

Shirley 3/3/2008 12:39:34 PM
Retarded, i had to laugh i am SO sorry!!! "You're more dumber than i though" hahahahaha, your english is impecable! you need to go to bed earlier to rest, so your mind can grow and you can become cleverer ok?

Ricky James 3/3/2008 12:39:41 PM
Jon how many jobs have you been fired from because you have been deemed ignorant? i bet that list will grow as rapidly as your disapproval rating. You are either really clever by inciting all these comments or really sad if you believe your own rantings

Sinudeity 3/3/2008 12:39:41 PM
This means we can scratch BEE! We choose to ONLY associate with white workers. Open your eyes John. Do you not understand the concept of racism?! Or is it not racist if its black on white? You should lose your job. In fact, everyone unhappy with JQ, email SAHRC and News24.

manicm 3/3/2008 12:39:55 PM
First of all who would you define as 'coconuts', those who don't agree with the FBJ?? And you're confusing cultural groups such as SA Jewish Board of Deputies with racial ones such as the FBJ, I personally feel there is nothing wrong with the FBJ but you need to make that distinction, and you glaringly fail to do so. That is the my main beef with your article, you must admit that the FBJ is NOT a cultural grouping but a racial one, be it justified or not.

Marry 3/3/2008 12:40:10 PM
I am white. My friens are all pink,blue,yeloow and whatever. I love them dearly. Who cares if I am white or you grey.When we die we are all going to one place. See you there.lets live a little without looking at colour.Sick and tired of colour labels.

arnaut 3/3/2008 12:41:20 PM
You obviously have no idea of what your parents fought for. Now you simply practice your own form of racism. I thought you were educated.Obviously you studied in Zimbabwe.

Dean 3/3/2008 12:41:21 PM
Jon you are a moron. We never asked for apologies, racial segregation is illegal. Do you propose the same solution from a killer who commits a crime to just apologise? No, this is more than that. If you theory of association was true, as an owner of a company, I should be free to choose who to associate with my company and only employ white people? Chances are slim! Not that I agree with the disgusting acts of the Free State residence but based on your theory, Reitz can only have whites?? Not!

TF 3/3/2008 12:41:41 PM
c'mon man. did you have a looming deadline and no ideas for an article ? this is scraping the barrel

Mando 3/3/2008 12:42:18 PM
Once again your topic is along Racial Lines. I think you really need to go for help, whatever happened to you, can be cured with some counceling. You really are one bad racist.

jonathan 3/3/2008 12:42:49 PM
he's undoubtedly still angry after his favourite Mama Jackey got convicted in court. I seem to recall him saying he'd never apologise for supporting her, too......no matter what the courts found.

Lee 3/3/2008 12:42:49 PM
Wow! I almost had to reach for tissue ... and then reread this "article" and laughed instead.

Natasha 3/3/2008 12:42:57 PM
No, seriously, what the hell is wrong with you? ?The right to chose with who you associate? was an ignorant comment at best. This was not a social event, it was a press conference which did not allow white people to attend?. Think about it?. For a so called educated man, it should not be too hard? What do you think the response would have been if it was the "federation for white attorneys"?

Coloured 3/3/2008 12:42:57 PM
I'm no intellectual or politician, but this giuy sounds drunk. Is he on drugs or mentally ill? I've never read such rubish before. He's wasting space.

Barry Stuart 3/3/2008 12:43:47 PM
Jon, it's true that you have a decent insight into 702 and that you are very aware of their inconsistencies in portraying the news. Honestly, show me a media organisation that isn't. They're all businesses. However, you have failed to hide your contempt and anger for your old colleagues or for fellow blacks and whites who live outside your norm. When carrying out something that broaches the racial topic we should always ask one question: Will this bring us together or divide us?

Gatvol 3/3/2008 12:44:19 PM
jon jon jon, clearly you dont understand any of the big words you preech. I think you are the pupet here...

Jeremy 3/3/2008 12:45:01 PM
Have you ever attended a gathering by the SA Jewish Board of Deputies, the Afrikaner Sakekamer, and the Greek, Italian, and German Chambers of Commerce as a journalist and been asked to leave because you are black? Are you advocating that I am entitled, based on your interpretation of the constitution, that I may open a club for a group of people with a common interest and put a sign on the door saying 'NO BLACKS'. When its open I'll give you a call! Then I'll ask you to leave.

theDB$ 3/3/2008 12:45:05 PM
Any grouping has a right to associate as when they please. The FBJ has a right to reserve their membership to a certain group, no arguments about that however, when they're had someone like JZ (who might just become our future president) I think they should have invited journos of other races. That said, I seriously think that PDI's still have a lot of issues that they need to discuss among themswelves (Just like, say the Afrikaners) and everyone must respect that! Without ridiculing them.

Karabo 3/3/2008 12:45:20 PM
This article is an insult to our black peoples intelligence. I disassociate myself with your derogatory remarks, calling intelligent 'black' people coconuts because they want a free South Africa. You are the rascist!

havoc 3/3/2008 12:46:27 PM
that South Africans in general are so overly sensitive about anything that can be, however remotely, construed as rasist. This whole thing seems to have been blown totally out of proportion by the press, and of course South Africans have latched onto this in their usual rabid fashion. Get over yourselves FFS!

wb 3/3/2008 12:47:11 PM
John you are a pathetic racist, BEE & AA must also be wrong then according to you - so if a white person only wants to associate & work with white people then that should also be ok hey? News24 please get this idiot off your site!

Craig 3/3/2008 12:47:30 PM
Hypocrisy is always a fun read, so thanks for a Monday laugh, JQ. As has already been pointed out numerous times, when whites only want to associate with whites they're racist, but when blacks only want to associate with blacks they're exercising their constitutional rights. I have no problem with there being an FBJ and I don't mind them having a blacks-only meeting. Just be sure to keep your mouth shut about the whites-only groupings, too.

sunir 3/3/2008 12:49:51 PM
"the right of freedom of association implies the freedom to choose with whom to associate or NOT to associate" Why then are university campus residences forced to integrate? Forced integration is just as wrong as forced separation.

Agent J 3/3/2008 12:50:00 PM
According to UN International Conventions, the term "racial discrimination" shall mean any distinction, EXCLUSION, restriction or preference based on race, colour, descent, or national or ethnic origin which has the purpose or effect of nullifying or impairing the recognition, enjoyment or exercise, on an equal footing, of human rights and fundamental freedoms in the political, economic, social, cultural or any other field of public life.

Currently Disadvantaged 3/3/2008 12:50:23 PM
It really starts to disturb me when there is a meeting held exclusively for non-whites, behind closed doors from which no reporting to the outside world can be done, with a probable future president. What could they possibly be discussing behind those closed doors? Maybe they were deciding the fate of white South Africans without our knowledge...

Thokozani 3/3/2008 12:50:40 PM
I agree with you John Q, in fact you have hit the nail in the head. Especially if you talk about the freedom of Association, as black people we hardly need approval from anyone to associate with one another. So all those who are saying it's wrong including the so called "coonuts" or the whites wanna bees, we will follow the foruma nad it's existance is guaranteed.

Gavin 3/3/2008 12:51:07 PM
Jon, as a whitie, I thank you, I agree with you, this is real democracy

JimBob 3/3/2008 12:52:14 PM
I'm disgusted that a mainstream publication allows the word 'coconut' to be used so freely without any criticism or recrimination. For me, the term is every bit as distasteful as 'k****rboeties' was in the old days - and in much the same way, it's a word used to marginalise people who have valid criticisms of those who wield power. And that's without even going into the racist undertones that the word carries. A

envirokid 3/3/2008 12:52:32 PM
Does no one find the term "coconut" to be offensive? It implies that any association with whites is undesirable. Or am I wrong? It reminds me of the offensive term used for whites who associate with blacks. All very undesirable in the country we strive for. Reminder to myself to never read Jon's columns again.

ed 3/3/2008 12:53:56 PM
Jon, I think you'll do just about anything to get media attention because you're a has-been. Now you've shown yourself to be a has-been and a racist. Quite honestly I don't know why any self-respecting publication would want anything to do with you.

Italic_s 3/3/2008 12:54:02 PM
My post will probably be moderated ? again, but on the off chance that it is not. I will state that you have not only missed the point (again), you are also a twit and a racist. This country needs builders and does not destroyers like you. Oh btw ? I?m white in my early 20?s, I love my country and am I?m dedicated to building it.

Ryan van Wyk 3/3/2008 12:54:26 PM
One thing you can say about this guy is that he tends to bring the free thinking logical side out of this site in an impressive way! thanks Jon, ignorance like yours can be a hugely uniting factor

Kim 3/3/2008 12:55:18 PM
I`m not white, i`m not racist, i`m a dedicated news 24 reader. But if i have to see one more of your racist, underhanded, obviously biased articles i wont hesitate to not ever look at this site again.

Gatvol vir Jon 3/3/2008 12:55:47 PM
This person is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot...

DHV 3/3/2008 12:56:02 PM
Jon, if you hate white people so much, then why dont you give up your comfortable job, and move back to your shack in the bush and slaughter a couple of cows. However, you will also have to give up anything "European", like your fancy clothes (you'll have to wear animal skins), electricity, cars and the English language. We'll miss you Jon. Bye bye now!!!

Oh-boy ! 3/3/2008 12:56:04 PM
Ag shame Jon, you must be very confused by now, you started off with all your racist attacks towards white people end then you changed your mind and leaned over towards us(ye, the whities) and now you are back with the blacks.... get a life boet, this is not realy white against black or visa versa or are you just trying to save your job?

Cliff 3/3/2008 12:56:46 PM
Jon, my fellow South African, 40 years from now, in your ripe & wise old age, you will most probably still be living "the struggle".

Tsung 3/3/2008 12:58:29 PM
Jon. U normally write a well balanced article, but this time you've shown a different side of you. What you seem to miss is that none of the organisations that you have listed in your article exclude people based on COLOUR. I'm sure if you were jewish, afrikaans, greek, italian or german, you'd be able to join either of those organisations. Even if you are black. So it would seem that you are the racist. What would your take be on those holiday resorts that attempt to exclude people of colour?

M 3/3/2008 12:59:02 PM
Do you even know what the Jewish board is? What their membership criteria are? Hmm? Making bold (and of course like old Jon uneducated) statements. Maybe you and him can use this amazing tool called "google" to open your racist minds.

Wizard 3/3/2008 1:00:25 PM
Jon you have just proved your low self esteem again. You know I rank you right up there with the two guys from UOFS. Have you ever heard the proverb do unto others as you would like to be done to yourself?

Warren 3/3/2008 1:00:50 PM
Jon, Jon, why do you pretend that you are not racist? Not only is your self rightous hate speech demeaning to whites but you go further by insulting your own race!! You really need to get off the cortozone pills my friend. You sound like a Hitler mini-me. To the rest of the country why do we waste time even discussing the race topic anymore. Every race on this planet of ours has been persicuted against!! Imagine the whole damn planet walked around holding grudges and pissed off. Lets move on now!

MJ 3/3/2008 1:01:35 PM
Instead of saying: "Why I am not wrong" you say: "Why I won't appologise". Thus you admit you are wrong, but too angry with some people and too proud to say it. Grow up, your true colours have been shown, and your rants are childish.

Malcolm X 3/3/2008 1:01:40 PM
I like the angle you are looking at this. This naturally excludes people like me from having to associate myself with the likes of twats like you. Its like having a big sign up saying only twats need attend. Thanks arsehole.

Jules 3/3/2008 1:01:51 PM
Jon - is that your real name? Or do you have a black (be it zulu, or xhosa) name? If Jon is not the name you were born with, then my friend, YOU ARE A COCONUT!

tsiko 3/3/2008 1:02:11 PM
....not the Afrikaner Sakekamer Jon. I realy find your writing an embarrassment. Won't you please stop?

Teedoff 3/3/2008 1:02:39 PM
Jon could you please publish your letters that I can edit them to include yourself and News24, you should not be allowed to publish garbage like this

Riaan 3/3/2008 1:03:12 PM
Since you moved from 702 I'm sure the average IQ lifted a few points.

Malan 3/3/2008 1:05:01 PM
The point is would Mr Zuma accept an invitation from a whites only forum? I think not!! Maybe you are the one to appologise.

Graeme 3/3/2008 1:05:56 PM
John, you have broken the rules. You are now not reporting or commenting objectively, but creating a story with your emotions running high. Rule 1 for all journalists not to break. Silly boy... Please remember too, that in this 'article' you have abused your position, and at the same time defame people who are in a position to press charges... silly boy - again!!

Avril 3/3/2008 1:06:34 PM
Black, White, Coloured, Jewish, Racist...can't we talk about anything else? 702 have been very self righteous lately and tend to flog every thing that happens to a pulp. They are so fakely pro-black that it is pathetic. Let people do what they want if it is legal. If you are not invited to a party, there is no need to throw a tantrem. Get over it...you are just not welcome. So what!

MJ 3/3/2008 1:07:03 PM
You paraphrased Plato too much dude. His point was that a society is no longer free when it allows the extremes of freedom (Think about how that relates to the FBJ). I'm guessing you didn't read it properly but just searched 'freedom' on google?

Cindy 3/3/2008 1:08:10 PM
Jon, its time you shrugged that chip off your shoulder!

Andre 3/3/2008 1:08:34 PM
If I was a racist in the past, Jon you are the racist of today. Thinking about it though, I actually am not a racist and have never expressed any racist remark or deed to any black person in the world. So Jon, you are the racist between us two and I am a white male, 44 years old.

Some dude 3/3/2008 1:08:47 PM
Seriously, what makes you think we want an apology? You've blighted your own name from the point of view of simple folk like ourselves that are simply trying to make a descent living in this country and trying to forget about the past. Your a racist mr Qwelane, and a big one at that, thats scarcely hiding it behind a whithered cloak of false reason. An apology from someone with such deep-rooted bitterness towards the minority means absolutely nothing...

TMH 3/3/2008 1:09:14 PM
Now that's what I call racism!!! If any white South African chose "not to associate" with a black South African, there would be no hesitation in screaming racism... However, when it is the other way around it must be viewed as a right....????!!! Please get over it and yourself!!!! Your colum is deeply disappointing! People like you are holding this wonderful country back!!!

Zoo Keeper 3/3/2008 1:09:22 PM
and who decides this? Just asking

lizzard 3/3/2008 1:09:47 PM
All of you on this site will criticise Jon because he is Black. let me tell you he loves it when you all paint this intelligent man with the same brush you do Govt. Let me tell you all can go on an on about Jon and his so called racist views but he has the final say and the final laugh. So dont be upset when you in your daily white on black bashing sessions hammer this talented man because he feels nothing, and the more negative criticism he receives from you whites, the more he loves it.

Robert 3/3/2008 1:09:53 PM
the BJF has been resurrected for the sole purpose of ensuring the media report more favourably on Zuma. Jon is a great Zuma supporter. The organisers of the BJF know that only a few black stooges (?Africanists?) will warm to the victim spin of old shower head so they banned the whites and coconuts.

jeremy 3/3/2008 1:10:03 PM
You mention Jewish, Afrikaans, Greek and Italian groupings. They're based on religion and language. The FBJ is based solely on skin-colour. An English grouping would be acceptable, as would a Sotho or Zulu grouping. There can be no justification for a grouping based on skin colour. 702 is right. You're wrong.

Crayon 3/3/2008 1:10:36 PM
I know what would maybe help to get rid of you and your annoying columns. Perhaps if for the next few weeks, everyone, just stops posting comments. The fact that almost all readers don't like you, has that "controversy" appeal. If everyone just starts ignoring you, how will your story's sell? They won't. It's high time, you become a nothing.we should all just not bother to read this guys ranting.the end

Thokozani 3/3/2008 1:11:06 PM
Go Johnny!go Johny!go Johnny!!!!!!!!!!!.

Ndlovu 3/3/2008 1:11:20 PM
The question is - do black professionals have a right to constutute a forum to discuss matters of mutual interests.If the answer is yes, then it should follow that they also have right to invite whomever they want to their meetings.Being part of the FBJ is not the same as asking some white teenager to share a room in a public institution with another black teenager.We also need to make a clear distinction that pro-black groups are not anti-white.There is a difference between the BC and the KKK.

Tired of the same story 3/3/2008 1:11:29 PM
I don't know why I bothered clicking this link. This is the single worst piece of literature I've ever read.

L 3/3/2008 1:12:04 PM
John, of course you may discuss to your heart's content the ills and woes of your community, but you will NEVER EVER achieve anything until you, particularly the intellectuals of your race, start accepting, at least, some measure of accountability. When will it stop "not being of your own doing"? Who is "doing it" now? Who will you blame in ten years? Come now, man. Get up and get on with it. You are seriously becoming boring and ineffective. Look ahead of you. Surely, that makes sense?

Luzuko 3/3/2008 1:12:46 PM
Coconuts, darkies, lackeys, etc. if these are the words you morons use in the FBJ then there is no difference between your useless forum and the Afrikaner broeder bond. Remember when AB was formed it had an aim: which is to further Afrikaner nationalism ? to maintain Afrikaner culture, develop an Afrikaner economy, and to gain control of the South African government.

joe 3/3/2008 1:13:46 PM
Jon, at last you've lost your mind completely: The general public does not have a right to know what happens at Greek Chmbr of Commerce meetings. A meeting between Mr Zuma and the press is very different. A real journalist will appreciate this difference!

John Camp 3/3/2008 1:15:01 PM
Jon, we aren't asking for any apologies, you are beyond apology. You are simply put, a very poor journalist. If you class hurling abuse at other "cocunuts" who don't share your views as journalism then perhaps you should have opted for a different profession. You are a disgrace as a journalist

KimPossible 3/3/2008 1:15:29 PM
..is what you are Jon, plain and simple. You are quick to preach freedom of choice and rant about discrimination based on race when it suites you, but clearly this is not one of those occasions. And when Blacks with principles stand up against the likes of you, you label them in a derogatory manner - you are a sad, sad, pathetic waste of space!

ayanda 3/3/2008 1:16:02 PM
For a change sanity is ruling...! I hope the likes of mondli makhanya and the rest of the coconuts will have their consciences haunting them...! It really is true, you don't bite the hand that feeds you...!

Anthony 3/3/2008 1:16:06 PM
It sad to see the lack of confidence you have exhibited, akin to a bully in a schoolyard. Bullies always struggle with some sort of issue, usually lacking in one or more skills and ultimately resorting to the fact that they are bigger (or in your case have a platform) to try and mask their inadequacies. You had an opportunity to actually rise above the obvious pack mentality but sadly it is now lost. This action has defined you as it does all bullies, weak and incapable of independent thought.

thabo 3/3/2008 1:16:25 PM
Jon your thinking like Irvin Koza!

Gerry - Joburg 3/3/2008 1:17:53 PM
Are there any sane people out there? A young white guy kills black people in a squater camp, white students urinate on food they let black staff eat, black journalists exclude white ones and attempt to justify it. Where has our sanity gone....?

Brian 3/3/2008 1:18:24 PM
Jon, I strongly condemn your racist comments. How dare you use the term coconut? It is so racist! This country does not need racists - we are trying to move away from that sick society.

Whitey 3/3/2008 1:19:41 PM
Jon, so you're saying it's ok for us whites to have a club & exclude all other colours because of their colour? Lekker man. Wake up Jon, having a blacks only "club", just like AA, BEE & all that other bull, is racist. I though being a racist is bad, oh wait, only if you're a white & a racist. Being black & a racist is fine.

Oh-boy ! 3/3/2008 1:19:54 PM
Jon, you are a disgrace for all journalists. You should be fired for all your hate speech and racial conflict that you create as a person in a country where WE DON'T NEED IT.

padkos 3/3/2008 1:20:01 PM
On the one shoulder you have racism, and on the other shoulder you have biggot. Very clearly you carry these two with pride.

piet 3/3/2008 1:20:22 PM
Bill cosby once said that it is not about color but about behavior!!!!! Read this below! Today a woman has eight children with eight different 'husbands' -- or men or whatever you call them now. We have millionaire football players who cannot read. We have million-dollar basketball players who can't write two paragraphs. We, as black folks have to do a better job. Someone working at Wal-Mart with seven kids, you are hurting us. We have to start holding each other to a higher standard. We cannot blame the white people any longer.' Dr. William Henry 'Bill' Cosby, Jr., Ed.D.

Psycho 3/3/2008 1:20:49 PM
You belong with all the other NON PROUDLY South Africans - and the groups that promote rascism and reverse racism etc. You are truly 3rd world - in all aspects

GrahamF 3/3/2008 1:23:02 PM
I really think that it is time News 24 looked at the end result of the publications and not publish them to stir racial hatred up more than necessary, Jon I have followed your articles for a long period but what I have noticed,as others have, your articles are becomming poisened with bitterness,twisted and carrying a real hatred in life, this at this stage is not good for all, the country, the ecomony and ALL concerned, black and white in other words all SA Citizens STOP putting people in classek

A believer 3/3/2008 1:24:37 PM
I hope you realise, in the eyes of God, the Bible teaches, we are all equal. The mighty ANC cornerstone, the Freedom Charter spells out this very same stance. I am sure you have never read any of the the two? On judgement day you will regret contributing to more unjust acts in this world.

TC 3/3/2008 1:25:21 PM
Like Jon, I also have NOTHING to apologise for. I also appreciate his stance that I have the freedom to associate ... and the freedom to eject who I do not want to associate with! Lekker Jon, my mate! Here we go!

Aussie 3/3/2008 1:25:42 PM
My word, what a Crock of Rubbish. I am an Ozzie with SA friends (black I might add) who now reside in my country and they have encouraged me to read certain sites to get a perspective on why blacks are leaving and not just whites. Jon, your name was mentioned. Such rabid racist vitriol would never be tolerated in Oz and clearly you are hailing in a new era of aparthied. I now clearly understand why ALL intelligent people are leaving with fools like you left to guard the hen house.

Mandla 3/3/2008 1:26:01 PM
I support you bro Jon. Tell them.

Martin 3/3/2008 1:30:11 PM
You state "unequivocally that black people have every right to assemble by themselves to discuss whatever affects them directly" and "do not need anybody's approval" So Mr Qwelane, you wont object to us white, Indian and Coloured's doing the same thing and excluding you and your ilk? The FBJ practiced blatant racism in contravention of our Constitution!!

Azonic 3/3/2008 1:30:29 PM
"Before calling the FBJ a racist organisation, all organisation that are excluding blacks must be disbanded e.g. Jewish Board, AfrikanerHandelInstituut" Why must organisation that exclude blacks (eg. white only), be disbanded, but black only organisations are fine? Hows that work hey?

Get rid of JQ ... RACIST 3/3/2008 1:30:45 PM
Get rid of the Racist JQ. He has no place here!

CB 3/3/2008 1:33:33 PM
You are an insult to our country.

swimmer 3/3/2008 1:34:05 PM
just like you'll never learn to swim....

Jones Z 3/3/2008 1:34:53 PM
It is a pitty everybody is parading emotions o this subject. Prior April 1994 it was difficult to find white racist person. Fortunately all whites are tired of being branded racist and whoever questioned race related matter is a racist. John and nost of the repondends have missed an opportunity to raise critical issues & take this country forward. What are the issues that were discussed in that meeting that qualifies the FBJ a racist organisation? Should I get that, I want to join the choir.

tom 3/3/2008 1:36:34 PM
...are language, cultural or religious. NOT RACIAL. You can be black and jewish and join them. If you're a black or asian greek, you can join. Jon, your chip is so large! PS, does the SABC tell things like they are? Complain about them much? Ag shame! Were you dropped on your head as a child?

Vuu 3/3/2008 1:38:49 PM
Jon you are 100% right. In the eyes of the distractors things are always right when done by them............Aluta continua

Christopher Columbus 3/3/2008 1:39:12 PM
Imagine the AWB or Boeremag or whatever other association calling for a meeting of whites only, there would be an outcry from the four corners of the globe. An all whites gathering will be the headlines tomorrow and you'll be accusing us of trying to topple a legitamate government.

Reasonable 3/3/2008 1:44:36 PM
Dear Jon. I am sorry to inform you that the pain and misery you refer to will escalate and will keep heading that way while you and your naive colleagues actually believe in your own capabilities. Playing victim and feeling sorry for yourself is not going to get you or South Africa anywhere. I love your columns, it makes me realize why western people do not belong in this country and that might be my saving grace.

lolo 3/3/2008 1:49:03 PM
Has this question been raised about the Black Lawyers Ass, Auditors/Accountants whatever else is there. Why so much noise about this forum.

ElectroMan 3/3/2008 1:49:46 PM
I love opening a debate with; "SA is the most unique country in the world and can therefore not be compared or criticized against other countries' history or philosophies" Sounds a bit too general ..mmm? Really think about it.. How can a democracy really work if people are left to associate to their full free will. Where do you draw the line then? In this specific situation it really throws a conundrum in the air. FBJ was unfortunately working directly against what SA should strive for.

Phakisha 3/3/2008 1:50:18 PM
Jon was just giving his opinion which he's entitled to.Whats yours?

Plato 3/3/2008 1:52:13 PM
Wise men talk because they have something to say; FOOLS, because they have to say something!

sj 3/3/2008 1:54:59 PM
Clearly John it appears that you are angry and its understandable, but sometimes anger makes one to lose focus on the issue. I agree with the sentiments or the reasons why John is angry. 14 years into this new SA Black people are still apologetic for what was done to them.In this country its a crime to discuss this nb subject. We have swept it under the carpet and it will always rear its head in the farms, in Swartruggens, OFS university and our houses. Lets face it to eradicate the scourge!

Jon-Jon 3/3/2008 1:55:49 PM
that "that black people have every right to assemble by themselves to discuss whatever affects them directly; we do not need anybody's approval," I'm not so sure about Boere living in exclusive university hostels and making puerile videos with typical lavatorial humour for private viewing. What do you think Jon?

johannes.thomoli 3/3/2008 1:56:37 PM
There are still so many forums/positions that are reserved for whites only in South Africa. The only difference between the two is that when white people discriminate you they do not say it. Just look at sport bodies and companies. The AA for white people is still being practised a lot without giving it a name.

magtigemoer 3/3/2008 1:58:05 PM
Your so funny!!!!!!

FANDASH 3/3/2008 1:58:15 PM
It is people like Jon that keep the sores of the past festering and his contribution is no different to that of the 4 UFS students. Who cares what Jon says as he will not be president of our country so in the bigger picture he is really inconsequential. He is like Gareth Cliff from 5FM, everytime he opens his mouth, the lid comes of a sewer, as crap flows forth. Maybe the two of them should go sit on an island and rid themselves of the chips on their shoulders.

Nokka 3/3/2008 1:58:48 PM
Jon, You want to write letters to various watch dog groups complaining about wrong facts, but your own are wrong. The AHI's real name is in fact Afrikaanse Handelsinstituut, not Afrikaner as you said. Thus, a language group and not a cultural group. Also, the AHI's president is dr. Franklin Sonn. Get it? He's coloured, not white. Duh.

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