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Humiliation for Mbeki

2007-12-18 22:25

Former ANC deputy president Jacob Zuma is congratulated by President Thabo Mbeki after winning the ballot to become ANC president and lead the party. (Jerome Delay, AP)

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Polokwane - President Thabo Mbeki was humiliatingly toppled on Tuesday from the helm of the ANC by arch rival Jacob Zuma, the man he sacked as deputy head of state two years ago.

After a bitter election contest which saw some of Mbeki's chief lieutenants booed and heckled at an ongoing conference, Zuma was formally declared the winner by a margin of 824 votes.

"The number of votes received by Comrade Thabo Mbeki was 1 505. The number of votes received by Comrade Jacob Zuma is 2 329," Dren Nupen, head of the party's elections commission announced.

Mbeki then hugged Zuma and delegates erupted into chants of "ANC, ANC".

Victory caps a remarkable political comeback for the scandal-plagued Zuma, who still faces the prospect of being charged with corruption.

The 65-year-old was sacked by Mbeki as deputy head of state in 2005 when his financial advisor was jailed for fraud and later stood trial for raping a family friend less than half his age.

Although he was acquitted, he was widely ridiculed for testifying he had showered after sex with his HIV-positive accuser in order to prevent infection.

Mbeki aloof, authoritarian

Given the ANC's large majority in parliament, Zuma would normally almost be guaranteed the job of state president come elections in 2009 after his victory in the internal contest.

But he faces being charged with corruption after losing a recent court bid to have a series of search warrants declared illegal.

While Mbeki has two years left as state president, his authority has been badly undermined by the defeat, with some commentators predicting he could face efforts by Zuma's camp to force him out of office early.

Although Mbeki, also 65, can point to an uninterrupted period of growth, unemployment is unofficially estimated to be around 40%.

Many analysts believe however that Mbeki's defeat was more as a result of his aloof and authoritarian style which had alienated many in his party rather than a firm vote of confidence in Zuma.

"Mbeki lost for a lot of reasons (but) the main reason is the question of leadership style," said Steven Friedman of the Pretoria-based Institute for Democracy in South Africa.

"He irritated a lot of people. Some of that you have to do when you are in power. But much of it could have been avoided."

Kgalema Motlanthe, the outgoing secretary-general who will now serve as Zuma's deputy, denied there were disagreements over policies which he said were reached by consensus at a five-yearly conference which was last held in June.

"We have communists in our ranks, we have hard-nosed capitalists in our ranks. To keep them together... through engagement and persuasion we agree on a consensus position," he told reporters shortly before the result was announced.

- AFP


Eddy Banda 12/18/2007 10:49:54 PM
The winning of Jacob Zuma showed that democracy can work in South Africa. As a South African living in the USA I was concerned with Thabo Mbeki becoming the president of the ANC. We really need to rotate this presidency to all the tribes that live in South Africa. I mean this is the only way to prevent civil war that has troubled Africa so much. I hope Zuma will have his own style to lead South Africa to a greener pasture where crime and corruption won't be the worry for all South Africans.

Ozza 12/18/2007 11:01:57 PM
There was smoke and now the fire has started, here is a positive, Please Mr President in waiting, Please please change South Africa to Azania, we have been waiting too long...VIVA

Jason Naidoo 12/18/2007 11:24:04 PM
Mbeki is an arrogant person and so are many of his ministers. Hope we do have this behaviour with Zuma.

mmm 12/18/2007 11:40:35 PM
here we go...

Mabhacabhaca 12/18/2007 11:43:57 PM
Long Live The ANC President, Cde Jacob Zuma!!!

sonke 12/18/2007 11:52:23 PM
What happened in Polokwane should be a lesson to Zuma as well,ANC is there to serve the needs of the poeple, if the selected leaders turn to overlook that and forget the same people who chose them....then what happen in Polokwane will happen again.

Mabhacabhaca 12/18/2007 11:56:48 PM
The Saliem of this world must be having nightmares today, now that the chickens have finally arrived home to roost. All along we have told you, with your prophets of doom that one day People will Govern, like before in the apartheid era, you could not listen... Viva the ANC, Viva!!!

vusi 12/19/2007 12:03:58 AM
lets hope zuma would not be freind of mugabe ,he will be a good listen leader.that woman of DP she should not be talking like she shouldn't be saying thing like that .in a near future she will be working with zuma as opposition party to upgraged south africans life.well some people they never change{she still living in the time of botha shame on her}

Dude 12/19/2007 12:07:59 AM
I don't care who runs our country, pay the the Police MORE than they are worth and that should hopefully boost our crime busting forces, and decrease crime!!! I would go back to SA tomorrow if I knew it was a safer place to live..!!!!

MrCool 12/19/2007 12:18:32 AM
THIS IS BS. SA IS RUINED! How can less than 5000 people decide the State President?

Linda 12/19/2007 12:24:18 AM
The fight continues, SA will continue to grow, and benefit all, especially the rural and the poor in General. Major test will be the next 18 months or so. Yibambe Gedleyhlekisa

Leo Crisp 12/19/2007 12:25:02 AM
Congratulations Zuma. Never judge a book bya it's cover. Zuma has surprised everybody today & made it clear to South African's not to kick a man when his down. Long live Jacob Zuma, long live.

Erix 12/19/2007 12:25:03 AM
Congratulations to the ANC for electing JZ - Seems to me the ANC has got what it deserves, as will SA at the elections in 2009. South Africa is now truely an African Country.

bongani 12/19/2007 12:33:31 AM
I would like to congratulate South Africa for saving their democracy from Mbeki's facism!! Leaders like Mbeki, who believes there's no one who can feel their shoes in the ANC, should feel ashamed of themselves. I think Mr Mbeki has embarassed himself in front of the world. We hope Mr Zuma will bring some changes, despite all the descreditation he has and still suffering. Tata uTutu, we hope you'll start praying for Zuma & stop condemning him.

Wesley 12/19/2007 1:02:41 AM
What does this mean to an average citizen?

Daniel 12/19/2007 1:11:33 AM
Yes, I'm sure everything will change for the better now. Less crime and corruption, a measured and sensible approach against the spreading of Aids, a tougher stance on abuse against women, economic growth and a marked drop in unemployment. And to top that all, Bafana Bafana is going to win the World Cup in 2010! (Have I mentioned that pigs can fly?)

Tsie 12/19/2007 1:17:33 AM
Thanks for defending our constitution and ensuring that democracy prevails in SA by voting J Zuma.Democratically elected African leaders still fail to understand that they are the ones responsible for the very civil war ravaging the continent by refucing to go when it is time to. We allow Mbeki for a third term then soon he will be in his 20th term as a dictator. Of course, one part of SA will have been taken over by rebels because not everyone is going to tolerate a situation like that.

jay 12/19/2007 1:23:55 AM
This is indeed worrying! My fear is that we are dealing with the next great African dictator.

Melusi 12/19/2007 1:50:38 AM
I knew you ganna win, please get ANC back to it initial goal, a "A BETTER LIFE FOR ALL", goo like on your new position. Cheers!

Joe 12/19/2007 2:17:20 AM
It is sad that an illiterate accused will become the ruler. But then again, this would not be the first time. It is the first time that I fear for the future of SA. My advise - get out while you can still get something for your rand. The good times are over and I am sad.

Non-Zulu 12/19/2007 2:37:30 AM
Mbeki divided the ANC. Mbeki's and cronies used the state funds as their personal bank accounts. The ANC, under Mbeki leadership, has become a den of thieves, rapists, womenisers, manupilators, cheats, liars, etc. If you are corrupt and he likes you that you are safe. He did not want Jacob Zuma as president (JZ was forced to issue a media statement saying he had no presidential ambitions!)Basically, while Thabo may look like he has managed this well, he has done a lot of harm inside the ANC!

Gordon Thompson 12/19/2007 3:26:13 AM
I am a South African living in London and was preparing to come back to my homeland-but after hearing the news that Zuma will be the next president, I will stay in the UK. What have become of my motherland who have decided on a rapist and fraudster as their next president. Politicians are people we should be able to look up to. If they make mistakes they should go, they are not ordinary people. In the UK if a politician makes a mistake he will pay the price and in SA they get promoted.

John Doe 12/19/2007 4:46:35 AM
"There was smoke and now the fire has started..." - Yeah there is fire alright, and it started along time ago. It's been out of control for the past 12 years. "I hope Zuma will have his own style to lead South Africa to a greener pasture where crime and corruption won't be the worry for all South Africans." - Hmmm, will we have another Zimbabwe in our midst??? Well only time will tell...

Roland Gemmell 12/19/2007 5:36:51 AM
The arrogant & belligerent way in which he and his supporters behave reminds me so much of Mugabe. When Zuma is in his 80's, the constitution is ignored & he has destroyed SA like Mugabe has done to Zimbabwe, then let's hear what his supporters have to say.

Cadre 12/19/2007 5:50:26 AM
Its imperative that we not only understand the cause and effect of what happend yesterday. However, as much as i agree that we should let Mbeki go, i would want ask cadres/ not members of the ANC(through the eye of a....), is that the best we can do relative to the values,traditions and principles of the ANC?

MrPapari 12/19/2007 6:10:21 AM
Mbeki must go and never come back. He has mismanaged this country in so many ways. His warped way of thinking and constant state of denial is not going to be missed. His stance of major issues like crime, Zimbabawe and AIDS was so typical of a AFrican leader. He surrounded himself with useless and corrupt people and he protected them at every point. SA is going to go through some turbelent changes but will come out stronger and I have alot of confidence in Zuma.

Hungwe Elfas 12/19/2007 6:32:35 AM
Well done JZ.Please take a stance for Mugabe to help an liberate oppressed Zimbabweans.Be a true leader not the Mbeki and Mugabe who seem not to care about ordinary people.'Makorokoto" Amhlope

Hanno 12/19/2007 6:34:20 AM
I quote: "Zuma will have his own style to lead South Africa to a greener pasture where crime and corruption won't be the worry for all South Africans" How can you say that Zuma will lead SA to be without crime and corruption if the man himself is at the forefront of several court battles charged with rape and corruption. He might be a better and stronger leader but will it be for the better of the people if he leads by example, so far his example is a bit shaky to say the least?

Nasdaq7 12/19/2007 6:35:15 AM
The two men to blame is Mbeki and Zuma. The intellectuals of the ANC has been replaced by people that can barely do mathematics. Good luck mr. Zuma. Good luck in building those airplanes, satellites, dams, cars, televisions, cell phones, computers, highways... I hope you and company understand enough to balance budgets, do projections of population growth, public services, maintenance. And I'm also not surprised that your votes were all polarized - Democracy at work or an ideological shift?

Samual 12/19/2007 6:37:19 AM
I guess its time for the white people to leave the country once and fore all. Zimbabwe here we come.

Mashudu 12/19/2007 6:38:53 AM
I wish to congratulate Zuma for his victory in the leadrship race. My prayer is that he also should attain victory in the corruption charges that are imminent. Otherwise, what kind of president shall we have?, we are the pride of Africa, we must not allow ourselves to be the laughing stock of the world.

Sue 12/19/2007 6:42:29 AM
I have only this to say. May South Africa rest in peace. By electing the corrupt Zuma and his followers, my beautiful country has been handed a death warrant.

Peter 12/19/2007 6:52:00 AM
The people have spoken and the people shall govern. May the gods be with JZee in his reign as the new ANC President and the future President of SA

Martin 12/19/2007 6:55:12 AM
Welldone JZ.I guess I am caught between a ROCK(Mbeki)& a HARD place(Zuma).The risk of a dictatorship has been avoided but welcome the reality of corruption and banana state. The rest of Zuma's team seems to be OK ,but not him.The Shaik brothers should be celebrating and a lot of business guys are eagerly awaiting for return favours as they bailed him out during his unemployment period. I hope Kgalema,Gwede,Phosa will keep him under control.Zuma's problem is that he TOO OPEN to everyone.

Pencer 12/19/2007 7:01:26 AM
He looks so happy that JZ comrade

D-man 12/19/2007 7:07:51 AM
Yay! Our next president is a convicted fraudster, gangster and rapist. Let the good times roll... for him and he's cabinet to be. Perhaps it is time to leave South Africa.

Mr Sly 12/19/2007 7:12:19 AM
May the critics say whatever they think? Be careful it's a criminal offence to call someone a rapist or a fraudster if the court of law found him otherwise. ANC is now back to it's people. One can't be a president for life, unless personal ambitions couple with tyrrany are involved. Sorry Bheki supporters, it's politics at it's best or just call an ANC Derby!! JZ unite ANC towards 2012!!!

Ree 12/19/2007 7:17:25 AM
Wow!!! Unbelievable.... What next, prisoners released???? All i can say is God help us. Does it really matter who won. To me its just the same s***, different leader!!!!!!!!!!

BMW 12/19/2007 7:18:04 AM
EACH PERSON HAVE GOOD AND BAD SIDE.For me the new ANC Leader have a lot to prove as he is always in the court for for different reasons. So he must prove himself as the ANC President BEFORE WE CAN CONSIDER HIM A COUNTRY PRESIDENT.

Musa 12/19/2007 7:19:51 AM
CONGRATS MR ZUMA

Ash 12/19/2007 7:23:30 AM
Once again "the people" have shown their true ignorance by electing someone with absolutely no vision or leadership skills. Weren't these the same people that elected Mbeki a few years back? Look where that brought us. Now they're the same ones boo'ing him out. Its a vicious cycle of horrible decisions. How long will it continue?

TK 12/19/2007 7:24:38 AM
Others are worried that a fraudster & Rapist won the elections, but that is not fair, believe you me all of them they have their own scandal, its just the matter of time before those scandals can prevail. So I think it is fair that we choose Zuma while we knew very about him. So I see this as a real democracy.... shame on you South African who are not going to come back to your country. But some of us are very happy. ANC was dominated by one tribe as if they own the country. we r tired of that

Bhana Morar 12/19/2007 7:25:59 AM
Congratulations Comrade Zuma, well done you deserve it. However, now its time to start the WORK of actively eradicating poverty and women and child abuse. Leadership is action not position.

Thuli 12/19/2007 7:27:34 AM
Congratulations to you JZ! Now it's time to work. May the Gods be with Zuma and his family... Coming back to the 1st Lady issue???

Mdu 12/19/2007 7:32:27 AM
The people have spoken. I pray that you do your best in uniting the ANC. Halala ANC.

John Doe 12/19/2007 7:36:16 AM
Goodbye Republic South Africa, you gave it a good run old mate! Shall I get my red t-shirt out so long to fit in and score some brownie points? The thought of the incomprehensibly idiotic ANC youth league having ties with power again kind of scares the crap out of me.

Mois 12/19/2007 7:37:31 AM
The winds of change have arrived. As for those who feel the country is going down the drain... by all means leave. How come people think believe that a person without a masters degree cannot not really think and do carry out the people's mandate? Pointing at the self is difficult isn't it? Comrade Kgaleme said it is good to know what you do not know. That to me means Comrade Zuma does hence the people he has surrounded himself with. Congrats and Viva ANC Viva!!!!!!

Morope 12/19/2007 7:38:27 AM
Firstly i would like to congratulate JZ for the victory of being the President of the ANC. My personal adivce to the honourable Mr.JZ is not to settle score with comrades who were against him he must bring unity to the tarnished image of the organisation. Let the country unite together and the new top six should learn from the mistakes of the previous leaders and build a better future for the country. Well done to the people who voted and showed that there was a need for a change.

Gee 12/19/2007 7:40:45 AM
ANC delegate became stupid and handed our party to communist, how in hell do you give SACP chairperson to be the custodian of ANC, this is stupid and in our history never happened. People did vote with anger than constructively. Congradulation to Zuma, i did not want Mbeki.

Abe 12/19/2007 7:42:08 AM
Though i do not favour both Thabo and Jacob, but i think zuma is going to plunge this country into oblivion. He might cause the ANC not to conquer in 2009 giving a chance to ID, NDPP and DA.

RAVONA BORMAN 12/19/2007 7:42:17 AM
a total disgrace to this country, we cannot be lead by the blind.

Clyde 12/19/2007 7:42:33 AM
This country is entering a new era, an era where currupt politicians become wealthier, and the man on the street remains in poverty. The ANC will not deliver, and in specific Jacob Zuma. What a terrible choice for "our" new president, elected by 5 000 ANC delegates. What a joke!!! Time for the educated whites to leave SA.

G 12/19/2007 7:44:30 AM
You were right about one thing, now the fire has started, the sh*t has hit the fan, and SA needs to brace itself for a downward spiral deeper into its already 3rd world status. Things are going to go horribly wrong here for a long time before they come right, its been proven time and again (Zuum Zuum Rhodesia, Hello Zimbabawe?) The suffering starts now, and you thought things would get better? We are simply all going to be brought down to the same level, but then thats what communism is all about

Gee 12/19/2007 7:45:09 AM
Your comments are irresponsible and non informed, you only follow polotics through media,m that is not polotics.Zuma is not voted by SA.

Disappointed 12/19/2007 7:48:17 AM
This is indeed a sad day for South Africa. To find out that our next president will be an uneducated, money-grabbing sexual predator is a very hard pill to swallow. Viva the ANC? What happened to Viva South Africa? When will people begin to think for themselves?

CONCERNED 12/19/2007 7:49:00 AM
I would love to see what Zuma's HIV & Aids policy is going to be. Are we going to see portable showers along the streets of SA. How irresponsible of the ANC dlegates to vote in a fraudster. I guess you have to be Indian to be convicted for Fraud.

Zozo 12/19/2007 7:50:59 AM
I can't say anything but we all have to pray for the next president of this country, He is a human being and everybody has got mistakes. I mean we don't have to rejoice and forget about tomorrow. I think South Africa needs people who are going to pray stronger for this new leadership. I support all of them, I mean Mbeki and Zuma. Im glad about these results but South African it's high time now to pray for our country and its leaders. Also my suggestion Zuma must learn to listen ton people.

Vincent 12/19/2007 7:53:06 AM
I don't know where this country is heading.Wait and witness. This country is heading the brain drain path as we are going to be lead by corrupt, above the law,ill-discplined people with lack of self-control and no respect for others. Vincent

Mokgolwane 12/19/2007 7:53:11 AM
i wish npa can speedily charge this man who is a disgrace married to 35yr woman same age as her daugther with three month baby i will only congragulate two men gwede mantashe&kgalema motlanthe

stirling nicholls 12/19/2007 7:53:44 AM
you mess up this country boy ill mess you up

Generations 12/19/2007 7:55:18 AM
I am totally agree with comrades who elected Zuma to be our next president of the ANC. This has proved that the people of South Africa has faith in this gentleman to lead SA to the next level of our democracy. All the rumours about Msholozi was just a strategy to unsettle him, but they were not successful in that regard. SM

Raymond 12/19/2007 7:55:33 AM
The ANC has spoken and it is hoped that the country will speak in 2009 when the ANC with ZUMA as leader will not enjoy the overwhleming support they have enjoyed in Parliamnet in past. A one party state with such majority is not good for the country. I hope this bad decison will trim the support of the ANC in 2009.

Sarah 12/19/2007 7:56:00 AM
Give Zuma a chance to prove himself.

tsakani 12/19/2007 7:59:46 AM
congra Zuma you really deserve this as to Thabo Mbeki you can't serve the world on your own for ever you have to give others a chance.you did well on your term and i really appreciate that

tk 12/19/2007 8:03:46 AM
Well done comrade JZ and the ANC for allowing democracy to take its course, to the losers, you had your chance, to bitter Hellen Zille I say, focus on the DA and stop making a silly joke of yourself.

AN 12/19/2007 8:04:24 AM
The people have spoken; democracy is the winner not individuals. We need to honour Thabo for the remarkable work he has done for this nation and Africa, though change was inevitable. South Africans have learned a lot out of this process, democratic principles emerged to prove beyond reasonable doubts that leadership is about people.This is our democracy , that we need to uphold and nourish for the betterment of our nation ? Phambili ngo Msholozi ? you?ve got your machine ? the people has entrusted you with the powers to lead them with dignity , pride , accountability , respect , responsibility and above all to make SA the best country to leave in . You have our support, not because of ethnicity but because of the democratic principles of which we hold so dearly to enhance our young democracy.

Skhokho 12/19/2007 8:04:32 AM
I get the feeling that SA is about to legalize crime

Ntsuziest 12/19/2007 8:04:54 AM
Congrats!! Msholozi they can say whatever they want. keep your head high,i'm sure you'll still prove them wrong on the corruption charges once again,the nation is behind you.

ZigBee 12/19/2007 8:05:08 AM
.. is that the justice system pulls together in the next year or so and convicts JZ of his crimes so that he becomes unelectable. That way the ANC would be forced to put forward a new candidate.

Ryan 12/19/2007 8:05:23 AM
I hate to break it to you buddy but I have friends all over the world and they have told me that we are already the laughing stock of the world. So sad. Whats happening to our country is a tragedy. Hollywood will probably make a movie about this in a few years (Comedy/tragedy) Aus here I come.

Nommy 12/19/2007 8:05:52 AM
Yes the election of a new ANC president has happened but the big question is will JZ meet the expectation of people.mmm!!!! I don't know come 2009 we will see.I don't think Mbalula is a person to get any position if JZ become a new SA President, he talks too much!!!!!!

amy 12/19/2007 8:06:57 AM
where's my visa and passport

m. g korai 12/19/2007 8:11:51 AM
The Mabeki has thought that he was born with power and therefore,no one can take responsibility of that power except himselfs.viva zuma for S.A and ANC President.

Mbeki 12/19/2007 8:13:17 AM
Never underestimate the power of a group of stupid people...

Phumu 12/19/2007 8:14:24 AM
Zuma for President?I am not too sure about that.For me as a woman,i feel unsafe!The rape issue still dominates my thoughts of Zuma.Maybe i must look for another party to vote for...

Badi 12/19/2007 8:14:50 AM
Although I congratulate Zuma for winning outright, I also take my hat off to Mr. Mbeki the man that has steered SA to the very respectable level it is right now-politically, economically,socially and otherwise.Mr Mbeki it is now time to relax leave active politics.You have done so much for our country and ANC.Call for an early election if it needs be and hand over power for peace's sake.We don't wanna see you undermined any further than the Polokwane misery of being booed by childern.

Anonymous 12/19/2007 8:15:17 AM
What a joke, Jacob Zuma the president of SA? Well atleast our policy to fight HIV/AIDS will no longer include garlic and potatoes but rather showers! My congratulations go to all the illiterate fools that voted JZ into presidency. You have sealed SA's coffin! In a few years we will be another Zimbabwe. Yes the people have spoken but maybe we should be questioning the calibre of those people and whether they are really fit to decide on the presidency of SA. Sad day for SA indeed!

John Doe 2 12/19/2007 8:16:30 AM
What kind of message is being sent out to the rest of the World? It's fine to be corrupt, be acquitted of rape, wait for the courts to decide on corruption charges, try & prevent the normal path of justice! My lord, the list is endless & still stand the chance of being elected President? This is not good & must say that there are people grasping at straws. Can't we have a statesman like Nelson Mandela again? Where is he? Save us from this monstrosity! Our constitution stinks!!

babs 12/19/2007 8:16:35 AM
Well done Zuma.Zuma it is now time to listen to all South Africans. Mbeki did not.Mbeki supported external policies more than internal.Zuma, bring in the changes to South Africa and you will never run out of support from South African citizens.

Athi 12/19/2007 8:17:08 AM
Thanks to Mbeki,we have become used to individual rule. In Zuma, the ANC has a leader that will carry out their (ANC) decisions and the people's needs. If he fails,then he,just like Mbeki,will be democratically voted out. I love democracy!

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