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2008-08-20 11:01

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Louis van Rensburg, News24 User

I read, with shock, that a motorcyclist has been killed after hitting a pedestrian on the N12.

Having just bought a motorcycle a few weeks ago, I know that there is an inherent risk to riding a bike. This I accept. I accept that a biker will normally come off worse when involved with a motorcar. I try to compensate for the fact that some motorists do not check their rear view mirrors and fail to acknowledge that motorcyclist have a right to use the roads. They probably also do not know that lane splitting is legal (the practice of driving between two lanes of cars).

I suspect that these motorists block the lanes out of frustration that the biker will be having his second cup of coffee before they get home and I can understand that. What I cannot understand is why, despite the Arrive Alive and other similar campaigns as well as the appeals to motorists to be on the lookout for pedestrians, so many pedestrians are still involved in accidents on the highway.

What are they doing there? They have no business walking on it - it is as simple as that. I was a witness eight weeks ago when a pedestrian was killed, at night, trying to cross the highway at the N14/N1 split - how that person could have thought that he had the dexterity to cross five lanes of highway traffic is beyond me.

I feel sorry for the poor guy who ran him over - he will live with the trauma of that incident for the rest of his life. I was also nearly involved in an accident with a pedestrian close to Randfontein one night where a dark-clad pedestrian ran from amongst the bushes at the side of the road and crossed right in front of me.

Close call

I have no idea how I avoided hitting him and, truth be told, had I been a bit braver and a little bit more bold, I would have gotten out of my car, chased him down and given him a few "klaps" just to see if there were a remote change that the two remaining, but non-functioning brain cells, could miraculously be restored to a thinking state.

I also see similar crossings on the N14 highway near Krugersdorp and when travelling on the N4 between Pretoria / Rustenburg road. It amazes me that these idiots run across the road, the partition in between and across the opposite lanes, without looking left or right. On the N4, this occurs despite a several pedestrian bridges which are mostly unused.

Are they too lazy to walk the short distance or are they hooked on the adrenalin, much like the train-surfers? Maybe the Arrive Alive and the other campaigns have merit but I miss one campaign - Think Car - with the emphasis on pedestrians staying off roads that they have no reason to be on, educating them to cross streets at places designed for this (like pedestrian bridges, street corners and pedestrian crossings), explaining that a car moves much quicker than any human, is harder than flesh and that wearing dark clothes increases the risk of being run over.

That is does not hurt to look left, right and left again if need be. That waiting a few seconds is much better than arriving at your destination as a statistic and a newspaper article. And maybe we need more campaigns that emphasise that safety is something that every person should take responsibility for whether they drive a car, motorbike and bicycle or are a pedestrian.

Campaigns that are designed to change attitudes about adhering to the laws of the road and country, to teach respect for other road users (and people in general) and maybe then, just maybe, the carnage on our roads will stop.

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Louise 8/20/2008 11:12:39 AM
I have the same concerns and often see pedestrians running across the R21 between Jhb and Pretoria at the Engen one-stop-it gives you the fright of your life when you suddenly see people running out infront of the car in front of you-if he slams his brakes you're going to have to too. And if the guy behind you hasn't noticed? Wow, you're looking at a pile-up!! We need the general public to be better educated - roads are for vehicles!!

rick 8/20/2008 11:12:46 AM
Idiots the whole lot of them.

AJ 8/20/2008 11:13:13 AM
Amazing how many are run over within 200 meters of a pedestrian bridge. You can't teach common sense, you either have it or not.

Kolobe 8/20/2008 11:13:48 AM
I travel on the N4 frequently and I have never had such incidents of pedestrians crossing over the free way, in fact the people have always been using the pedestrians bridges , a clear exaggeration on this point, however I agree on other roads, The road runs through their places and therefore motorist should be more tolerable and more bridges need to be constructed, you sir are an idiot in trying to justify a clear intolerance of vehicle drivers, people have a right to freedom of movement and cannot be subjected to prison like arrest in their respective places.

KLR Rider 8/20/2008 11:16:19 AM
Louis, you are 100% correct by saying that pedestrians should not be on highways at all. Being a motorcyclist myself, I also had a near collusion with a drunk pedestrian at 6H00 on the N12 near Delmas. What is actually so ironic is the fact that a few years back, about the same spot I was fined by a traffic officer for stopping under that bridge to see whether my petrol cap was secured. Now you see hordes of pedestrians walking there, crossing, and hiking. Again confirming our lawless society.

mo 8/20/2008 11:18:03 AM
Strange that this letter has popped up now. Just last night i turned onto the highway to find a man standing directly in front of me. absolutely crapped myself and slammed on breaks. 5 more metres and that guy would have been a new addition to my dashboard. To top it all off this clown had the audacity to throw his arms up in the air like i had done something wrong!!amazing.

Hayley 8/20/2008 11:18:54 AM
There have been times where pedestrians have stepped of the side walk with out looking into oncoming traffic. A while ago this happened to me during rush hour traffic and how I managed to stop in time is beyond me. Perhaps that is a good advert for hyundai's breaks though.

JB 8/20/2008 11:20:03 AM
on that one, now days, taxi's even stop on the highway to drop his pass off. I say they need to lock them up for attemped murder, same goes for people making a U turn on the highway, putting everyone's life in danger....

Susara 8/20/2008 11:21:40 AM
Louis what you are saying is so true.Almost everyday I see pedestrians on the N1,even in peak traffic.My policy is that if I hit them, so be it, they should not be there in the first place.I have insurance and it will be regarded as an accident

Tuffy 8/20/2008 11:22:06 AM
The response Louis can expect to this article is that insufficient provision is made for pedestrians in South Africa. Given the separation of communities in the olden days and the lack of resources available to large parts of the population to acquire cars or use taxi's to move everywhere they wish to go one can understand the "highway hopping". All excuses aside; there is no excuse for not using the existing bridges. I agree this is sheer laziness and nothing else. Pedestrians do not belong on busy roads. Full stop. Any pedestrian chancing highway hopping more than 14 years ago would?ve been arrested and charged, fined. Surviving pedestrians causing deaths such as that of the motorcyclist who got killed should be charged with manslaughter.

Francois Roux 8/20/2008 11:23:49 AM
The other day in Maitland some idiot was walking, not crossing, down Voortrekker right on the white line splitting the four lanes of traffic, on a bridge nogals. Worst of all a traffic cop driving right in front of us did nothing to discourage him from doing this, probably on his way to go check a speed camera...

Viparo 8/20/2008 11:24:11 AM
Pedestrians account for almost 40% of accidents on our roads, yet the motorists are the ones targeted by speeding fines and the new points system that's on the way. None of government's traffic policies address the problem areas, IE unroadworthy vehicles, reckless drivers, and as per your letter, pedestrians on the road. A PEDESTRIAN IS NOT ALLOWED ON A HIGHWAY NOR TO CROSS A ROAD WHERE HE/SHE FEELS LIKE IT.

Silver Surfer 8/20/2008 11:24:28 AM
What are you thinking ? It puzzles me when you suggest that motorists should be more tolerable on a FREEWAY !! A freeway is exactly that, somewhere for vehicles to travel freely, it is NOT a place for pedestrians.

Bev 8/20/2008 11:24:43 AM
These jay walkers are a big problem all over and we just have to watch out for them. I do not feel sorry for them when they are injured or killed, because it doesn't take education to know the dangers of the road.

Amanda 8/20/2008 11:25:18 AM
On the N12 after it splits from the N1 towards Lenasia, pedestrians cross over the road right next to a pedestrian bridge, and a few get killed every now and then. No brains!!

Mark V 8/20/2008 11:25:40 AM
It is a reflection of the population's attitude towards the law and an inherit laziness to walk the extra 200m to the bridge. Does crossing the street in suburbia at any point except the dedicated pedestrian crossing not amount do the same thing? I see this happening all the time. Who then is more guilty of the offense?

Bolster 8/20/2008 11:26:19 AM
I totally agree with you. It is outragious how many people cross highways. Some of them not even bothering to hurry up - but just slowly cruising over. I think it is also the responsibility of metro police to keep these people off the highway. (I have seen the Metro Police pulling off cars for driving 130km/h on the free way. And then not "pulling off" pedestrians crossing right in front of them! - which in my eyes, is a much greater risk)

J 8/20/2008 11:26:20 AM
I share your concerns. Driving west on the N4 you get a sign as you enter Witbank that reads "Please dont kill us". This is because pedestrians are also running across the highway, irrespective of the fact that there is a pedestrian bridge crossing 20m further on. Instead of policing this, the local government places signs next to the highway. The same idiocracy applies to potholes. Instead of fixing it, they spend money placing signs. Idiots..

mm 8/20/2008 11:26:30 AM
ive been through this, and trust me, in betweeen deaing with your own trauma, and spectators on the scene blaming you..it really is traumatic!and the tragedy is that i was then subjected to long and unfair investigations, as if i were to blame for the pedestrian running across a main road.

AJ 8/20/2008 11:27:13 AM
Read your comment again, and then ask you nearest colleague to slap you as hard as they can. It probably wont work, but anything is worth a try at this point. Freeways and pedestrians do not mix at all, there is no give and take to be done on the side of the motorists.

SimonT 8/20/2008 11:28:55 AM
I remember being chased off the highway by policemen after being dropped off hitchhiking. I was told that it was for my safety as well as the motorists. The poilceman even follwed me to the next offramp. Why have the rules changed I ask. I must say I was very curious to read what the comments would be as I'm sure we all spend some time or other on a highway of some sort. Imagine my amazement when reading Mr Kolobe's reply. Please Mr Kolobe let's be realistic and logical about this.

Gert 8/20/2008 11:30:05 AM
You are a big fool. Whenever a pedestrian is killed or striked on a road, I have only one question - what the heck were he/she doing on the road? Stupid thinking people like you just add to the problem. Grow up and change from the African way to a more mature way of accepting responsibility!!

morena 8/20/2008 11:30:52 AM
well bikers should learn to keep to speed limits and i don't want see how well you can swerve at 180kmh

Oom_Kosie 8/20/2008 11:31:59 AM
FFS! You don't expect to have "freedom of movement" on a quarry site where blasting is taking place, do you? You don't expect to have freedom of movement in your car on an area that has been designated a pedestrian walkway, do you? Why don't we all drive on the nice wide sidewalks in the CBD areas of cities, Kolobe? Ahhh it makes me laugh when people can't even grasp the most basic of concepts.

Viparo 8/20/2008 11:32:04 AM
Stop arguing just for the sake of arguing. You have no valid points in your statement, nor does it address the problem. The point is to save people's lives moron. Those that are driving AND those that are walking on the streets. Did you know that it is illegal to cross a road anywhere but on the demarcated crossings? No, and that law is there for a reason. To save people's lives.

Big Bad Bob 8/20/2008 11:32:37 AM
Two sets of responsibilities should be maintained. One: the police should be removing these people from the highways. It is illegal and they should be arrested on reaching the other side (this is safer for all concerned than trying to arrest them whilst they are crossing). Two: Motorists should drive with care and diligence. Driving manners in this country are not good, too many of us speed, use hand-held cell phones whilst driving etc. The driver needs to make sure that they act responsibly.

Olivia 8/20/2008 11:32:44 AM
If you ever travelled near N1 Hammanskraal you will notice that authorities have erected a wall after pedestrians continued to cross the N1 even though a new pedestrian bridge has been constructed. I hit a goat once there under the bridge. The goats were running after people who were pushing wheelbarrows across the highway.

nada 8/20/2008 11:32:55 AM
agreed, pedestriants need to wear brightly coloured clothes when crossing the road. motorists also need to be aware that not all areas have bridges where people can cross. and ppl have to cross the roads to access areas of work, schools, etc. sometimes criminals await to rob ppl on these bridges so ppl prefer to cross the road. so before u get on a high horse and label ppl as 'stupid idiots',understand where they are coming from and what are their circumstances. Let us get rid of this arrogance!!

Jacques 8/20/2008 11:32:58 AM
Kolobe Kolobe. Walking on the highway is expressly against the law, for the protection of pedestrians lives. That is why the speed limit is 120km/h. Hitting a pedestrian at this speed is a 99% kill. Remember with rights come responsibilities as well, and although everyone has the right to freedom of movement it does not mean they can go where they want.

Big Bad Bob 8/20/2008 11:33:54 AM
Why is there not a nation-wide program of teaching road safety in schools. "Look left, look right, look left again" is a good rule - but it doesn't just occur to people, it has to be taught.

All Bike 8/20/2008 11:35:00 AM
Shouldn't it be right, left, and right again?

Spikeriesh 8/20/2008 11:35:09 AM
Even though he doesn't know it and he enjoys people responding to his idiotic comments immensely. Please ignore him

morena 8/20/2008 11:35:23 AM
i also wonder what pedestrians are doing on the highway up untill you heared thier stories is easy to write an article about someone without talking to him first

LoudP 8/20/2008 11:38:14 AM
You must live in a perfect world (or be rather blind) not to encounter what all the other postings are confirming. Cars should not drive on pedestrian walkways and pedestrians should not walk on the highway/major roads. Now, go practice your freedom of movement and walk infront of a bus.

shoes 8/20/2008 11:38:15 AM
Ask me anyone that gets flattened on a freeway deserves it for being lazy and stupid. A few explainations on that point: cross at a designated bridge, if you're too lazy to do that slap yourself upside the head for electing a gvrment that hasn't built a bridge closer to you and if all else fails get mad at the same gvrment that hasn't provided you with a BEE BMW X5 for your travels.

Big Bad Bob 8/20/2008 11:39:14 AM
I think that Louis has taken too simplistic and judgmental a view, and there may all kinds of reasons why people are crossing highways on foot. But the overarching consideration is that this is a very dangerous activity - for the motorist and for the pedestrian. What reason is good enough for taking such a risk and for putting others at danger as well?

Zola 8/20/2008 11:39:49 AM
I have to agree with u. But i must also say that as much as walking/crossing the highways is dangerous, for many it's the closest way to get to their places of work without having to pay extra for taxi or bus fares. Looking on the M1 S from woodmead, there is only one pedestrian bridge from there right thru to JHB city. More bridges should be built.

Zola 8/20/2008 11:41:07 AM
I have to agree with u. But i must also say that as much as walking/crossing the highways is dangerous, for many it's the closest way to get to their places of work without having to pay extra for taxi or bus fares. Looking on the M1 S from woodmead, there is only one pedestrian bridge from there right thru to JHB city. More bridges should be built.

shoes 8/20/2008 11:43:21 AM
Hey Morena! You hit it on the head, he should have stopped and "heared" the guy's story so that he could have been flattened too! You're so clever! Are you Julius's sister? You should run for Minister of Transport. I wish i was like you.

Rob 8/20/2008 11:43:47 AM
well now lets all do exactly as we please then, why have rules, if u think its ok to walk on the N1, then 240km/h should be fine too. the rules are there to protect and prevent deaths on our roads, so abide by them, it just makes sense. kolobe please feel free to take a stroll on N1, maybe then u will understand why there are rules. poephol!

K53 8/20/2008 11:45:00 AM
I recall from K53 learners that pedestrians, motorcycles<50cc (maybe 125cc), cyclists are not allowed on any national road. Is there K54 already? Also that on any other road you may not pass a cyclist if there is not 2m gap between you but in the same breath that cyclists may not ride 2 abreast. Rules of the road and a little consideration.

Johan 8/20/2008 11:46:07 AM
If you want to use lane splitting as you call it whilst driving at high speeds,you are endangering your own lifes as well.When i am driving in a lane,i concentrate on what is going on in front of me. If i drift a bit in that lane and you are next to me,you are the one that will come off second best,because you are not supposed to be there.

max 8/20/2008 11:46:32 AM
No it's left, right and left again. Pedestrians on highways - actually pedestrians think they have right of way wherever motor vehicles are supposed to travel - the roads are for pedestrians NOT vehicles, even in the parking area at shopping centres pedestrians walk 4 abreast and you just have to wait in your car while they saunter along and, dear me, don't hoot at them to get out of the way because they are pedestrians and can walk wherever they choose.

Anti-Kalobe 8/20/2008 11:47:44 AM
I agree with yu on everything except where yu call us idiots becoz the majority of these Pedestrians are Blacks and not Whites. Not all people know that you cant cross thru a highway and even though common sense is common but its not so common to everyone.

vlad 8/20/2008 11:48:41 AM
eish Kolobe... you must drive on a vastly different N4 than I do. I was under the mistaken belief that roads are for cars and that certain activities are forbidden by LAW on highways. I hope you have one of those big utes (Freelander or the like) for when frogger day comes to a car near you

Dave Robbins 8/20/2008 11:49:18 AM
A ton of metal travelling at 120km/h on a freeway does not have arrogance - it is a lethal killing weapon which, should everyone obey the laws of the road, will not have targets. But the thing is, obey the law of the road! No ifs, buts and maybes!

Furious!!! 8/20/2008 11:51:06 AM
Recently a woman decided to dash across a four lane road.... With her two toddlers in hand!!! How can you be so daft and to top it all off the traffic light was approx 20m from where she decided to cross.

M 8/20/2008 11:51:40 AM
A friend of mine hit a pedestrian late one night on the highway. She was only going 100km/h, but needless to say the guy didn't make it. Now she is beyond traumatised, terrified to drive, and has to deal with an investigation into manslaughter against her. What about her right to feel safe on the roads at night?

Tuffy 8/20/2008 11:52:20 AM
Kolobe says of Louis "you sir are an idiot in trying to justify a clear intolerance of vehicle drivers". Actually Kolobe; Louis is trying to justify a clear intolerance of PEDESTRIANS. Kolobe, you remain a monumentally stupid person. And to Morena - yeah, yeah, hearing their stories will be nice but THE LAW is the LAW for a reason and signed into law by the PRESIDENT of the country. It is not up to pedestrians to decide that their circumstances are special and thus to ignore the law. I am sure people killed in road accidents because of the wandering pedestrians and their families are not too interested in the pedestrian's story - dead is dead irrespective of the story. So please keep all your brothers and sisters off the roads and on the pavements. Unless I and my brothers can also decide certain laws should not apply to us and start doing some things that will rather upset your brothers and sisters?

level headed 8/20/2008 11:52:37 AM
So if you are trying to cross a road, cars will always be coming from your right to your left, so surely you look right, then left, then right again, because your immediate danger is to your right?

ConnieM 8/20/2008 11:52:54 AM
I don't condone the foolishness of anybody running across the highway (utterly infuriating!) especially if you are a driver. Spare a thought for someone who uses public transport, has been waiting 3hrs for a bus and still has to walk more than 2km to a pedestrian crossing or bridge whereas the entrance to his firm is just across the street from the bus stop.

Speedy 8/20/2008 11:53:45 AM
WHat dont you understand about a freeway being for motor vehicles only. Pedestrians are not only playing with their lives but the lives of the motorist and other road users. Common Sense should prevail at the end of the day. But then again why should anyone in south africa use the brain they were blessed with. Why can you not see the beyond the box.

Kolobe 8/20/2008 11:58:00 AM
If vehicle drivers are not willing to tolerate the masses on the road which clearly passes through their areas, this people have been there before the road can even be constructed, speed limits should be reduced from 120 km/h to 60km, otherwise construct your roads away from the people.

NG 8/20/2008 11:58:03 AM
Well I am looking forward to the day you break the law of gravity. So far that is the only law in the country the silly buggers haven't broken yet. Rules and laws are in place to proect all citizens and most illegals.

Suzie 8/20/2008 11:58:46 AM
My pet hate lately is the motorcylists themselves. Travelling from JHB to PTA daily I have experienced that they are worst than the taxi's (Excuse the generalisation) Since when is it legal to drive between cars? They have knocked on cars' roofs in front of me when the car is too close to the white line.Were does the law indicate that you as motorist don't have the whole space in the lane where you car is? It is a privilidge to pass the cars not a right.

Win 8/20/2008 12:00:21 PM
if you ever run across the freeway...I'll look out for you. You're the idiot, defending the brainless in crossing the freeway. Oh Louise, what people forget is that on the R21, about 150 metres back, there's a bridge they can cross under, so if they in the way, hit him and let the car behind make sure you hit him!!

Big Bad Bob 8/20/2008 12:00:43 PM
You've outlined a big part of the problem. Too many people in this country do whatever they want and expect everybody else to take precautions. Cyclists are a prime example - they break nearly every road law applicable to them, and generally abandon common sense, and it's always the guy in the car who is in the wrong. Even if an entire club is cycling 4 abreast the wrong way down a one-way road. Such attitudes is all too common in SA, lots of things would go better if we all took responsibility.

@Max 8/20/2008 12:03:00 PM
Max, if I stand at the side of the street, the cars are coming from my right? Left right left is army-dril!

Leon 8/20/2008 12:03:11 PM
Where the hell do you come from, have you ever agreed with anyone other than bra Qwelane. Walking on highways are illegal. I agree that there are few pedestrian crossings, but bridges at onramps/offramps all have sidewalks which pedestrians can use.

Speedy 8/20/2008 12:05:31 PM
From where I work, i have a clear view of the Baccleu Interchange and quite regulalry see people crossing the freeway and walking along the onramps and off ramps. Some of which have been the cause of an accident or been involved in an accident.

GP 8/20/2008 12:05:58 PM
If Metro came down hard on J walkers, this problem would be reduced tremendously. J walking is illegal, and should be treated an any other road trangression is treated, but, Metro condones this, and that is why ppl walk where they please, and in any manner they want. Another thing... take responsibility, ppl are quick to learn things when they want, and act ignorant when it suites them. This problem is a combo of GOVT, POLICE, and US.

Suzie 8/20/2008 12:06:07 PM
If a motorist kills a pedestrian on an highway, it is a huge thing in the person's life. You have killed a person and need to answer to the police etc. It is not legal to be a pedestrian on the highway. Why put other people in this spot.

VG 8/20/2008 12:07:25 PM
Agree with your sentiments, Louis, but.I remember trying to get to Hatfield Mall from my parent's house when I was in High school. I could either run across the street (mall was directly opposite, a few bloacks away) or, walk 15 mins to my left ot 10 mins to my right to the nearest traffic light.Guess what I did? try walking in someone else's shoes - the dude who doesn't have the convenience of a car.

I spy a red flag! 8/20/2008 12:09:17 PM
are yanking your chains! There is a pattern of antagonising and inflammatory remarks which makes me think it's deliberate and we are all being sucked into it! Ignore them; there are so many contributors who have relevant things to say - if anything attack the substance of the argument not the person! That way we'll get some constructive, thought-provoking debate.

Speedy 8/20/2008 12:10:25 PM
If by your thinking I should be right in saying it is ok for me to come live in your house and take whatever I want. You must just be tolerable. Forget about the fact it is illegal. You are such a stupid idiotic stirer. I really wich your internet privelages are revoked. Roads are for cars not pedestrians

Carbon 8/20/2008 12:11:19 PM
Please take your car down the N1 and yank the steering over to swerve while at the designated limit of 120kph. Then let us all know how that worked out if You are still with us.

Mikey 8/20/2008 12:11:19 PM
If you step out in front of a car weighing a ton doing a 100kph and it hits you, you will die end of story. A few years my sister was traveling back to Cape Town from Worcester there was a fog and at some point I forget where a lady crossed the freeway and unfortunately my sister hit her ...my sister was OK but the pedestrian is dead very very very dead .... like I said at the beggining. I don't know if it is an education thing or what but I personally would be terrified to cross a freeway.

veritas 8/20/2008 12:11:31 PM
you sir are an idiot in trying to justify a clear intolerance of vehicle drivers, people have a right to freedom of movement and cannot be subjected to prison like arrest in their respective places. - Kolobe<----You must drive a taxi for a living.

Martin 8/20/2008 12:13:13 PM
Walking across the roads without so much as a glance as if they're on a footpath in the bushes!!

jb 8/20/2008 12:13:32 PM
Encourage taxi drivers to run over anyone walking on a highway. That wil sort the problem.

VG 8/20/2008 12:13:36 PM
To all the people going on about"obeying the rules of the road" - do you honestly expect us to believe that none of you have ever exceeded the speed limit? changed lanes without indicating? gotten a parking fine? why is it ok when you break the law, but not ok when others do?

Victim 8/20/2008 12:13:58 PM
I have also hit, and killed, a person who ran across the N1 late at night. Yet, I was the one charged with culpable homicide. Now I ask you, how, on God's green earth, am I to blame for the oke being where he's not supposed, or allowed, to be???

Baldy 8/20/2008 12:15:44 PM
while on my motorcycle, a newspaper vendor LOOKED straight at me and then walked right in front of me - No brain

Carbon 8/20/2008 12:16:23 PM
Thank you for bringing to our attention your ignorance of the road laws of South Africa and your belief that you are entightled to be incompetent behind the wheel of a motor vehicle. Here's a hint: those white line thigies are a legal standpoint not merely a "guideline" and your car has mirrors for a reason.

gg 8/20/2008 12:18:53 PM
Drive down Joe Slovo drive and see how many people just ignore the robots and cross at random. Even school kids do this. People cannot even wait for a robot to change or go cross at the robot. One can only wonder why they are crossing on the highways.

Truth 8/20/2008 12:22:15 PM
I agree. Freeways are not for pedestrians! It is not safe, and most dont take the proper precautions when crossing. I was on the slow lane once, and two guys approached the side of the road, one stopped to look to his right, the other looked to his LEFT while continuing to walk! Im just glad my brakes were in working order.

Baldy 8/20/2008 12:23:38 PM
rider I also believe that EVERY motorcyclist should wear a reflective jacket by law.

Suzie 8/20/2008 12:24:09 PM
Do you know about the scam where pedestrians on purpose ran in front of a car. They have lots of clothes on. The moment that they hit the car, six or more people come from nowhere and said that it was the motorist fault. They then go to the police and report a hit and run case. They do this so that they can claim from the driver. The problem is that some misjudge the distance and die. It is all very sad but the poor driver suffers from shock and need to pay any access to their own car

Scarlet 8/20/2008 12:25:28 PM
I agree that responsibility lies with pedestrians AND motorists and pedestrains do not belong on a highway.Its as simple as not being allowed to drive in the yellow lane.Its not about what is most convenient.If one's stuck in traffic, its illegal to just drive in the yellow lane, in the same way it is illegal for pedestrians to cross or even be on a highway.The problem is many people do both and not only get away with it but believe it it their self appointed right to do so - Scarlet g

BigBang 8/20/2008 12:25:46 PM
You are both idiots. Suzi, yes it is legal to lane split, and yes it is our right to pass you, not privilege. Just because you are jealous of the time motorcyclists save, don't be a reckless idiot. Kolobe, no one takes you seriously anymore. Your arguments are not even on nursery school standard. You are just irritating.

BigGC 8/20/2008 12:29:08 PM
I don't think so. Most of these people are squatting next to the highway so that they are close to major transport routes and their place of employment. Do they actually own the land they are on? Are they legally there? I think not. These highways in the most part, were built long before the squatters moved in.

Just be more careful 8/20/2008 12:34:19 PM
I have also seen pedestrians in ben schoeman to just after the jean avenue offramp.being on the freeway doesn't give you the freedom to relax and forget about your breaks. You must always be on the lookout for obstacles. what if a truck drops a packet of cement on the road, will you scream and shout at the cement, no, you must just be more careful when you drive, that way you may be able to react quickly on what you have just seen. don't blame the pedestrians.

Beverley 8/20/2008 12:34:24 PM
I have noticed more and more that people are either walking on or on the side of the highway. As far as i know there was a law against it. What has heppened to that LAW? Where are to metro police when this happens? This goes for the men that also stop on the side of the highway to whip "IT" out and take a leak! Nothing is being done about that either?

joan 8/20/2008 12:35:11 PM
Near Honeydew a woman let go of her child's hand on the partition between 2 sections of 3 lanes each. Only alert driving kept the toddler from under my wheels. In Bloemfontein city pesdetrains always run across the road the drivers must avopid them.I do not know how attitudes and common sense can be changed. We are more concerned with our demands than with common sense

Coen 8/20/2008 12:37:33 PM
I spoke to one of my friends that live next to the R300 just past Kuilsrivier and he told me that it's SAFER crossing the highway on your way to the shops than using the pedestrian bridge. Simply because your chance to get assaulted and robbed it almost assured on the bridge as you have nowhere to run to on the bridge.

grind mode 8/20/2008 12:38:07 PM
We all do it right? Every day. We don't walk the short distance to a robot or pedestrian crossing. We figure we can judge the speed and distance of the traffic, and cross safely. So do these people. Yes the speed at which cars on highways travel is way higher, but the principle is the same. So I cant really judge these folk cos I do the same in the cbd.

DGC 8/20/2008 12:38:58 PM
Last week you were traveling the train (business express), this week you travel the N4, maybe next week a bicycle or tricycle.

Suzie 8/20/2008 12:39:03 PM
Dear motorcyclists, we are not jealous of you. We are sitting in our sport cars, warm in winter, not wet in summer, listening to the radio. What on this great earth give you the idea we are jealous of you?

Nick 8/20/2008 12:43:12 PM
It is NOT illegal to walk, run, push trollies or even cycle on our highways, if it was the JMPD would stop their vehicles and remove the unwanted PEDESTRIANS lik they used to before 1994. It is obviously now LEGAL speak to any JMPD officer?

candice 8/20/2008 12:43:25 PM
The Highway in Booysens in the morning is worse school kids just run across the road a taxi almost hit one yesterday.

Freezaburn 8/20/2008 12:48:30 PM
Looking at the many informal settlements situated virtually next to our highways, I can understand that many pedestrians from such settlements would choose to cross highways as pedestrian bridges are nowhere in site. (opposed to adding a kilometer or two by circumventing). Unfortunately, if you have NEVER driven a car, judging the speed of an oncoming vehicle is not part of one's "life skills" so-to-speak. This makes crossing highways on foot even more dangerous. So, rules are there to be obeyed.

Beverley 8/20/2008 12:50:39 PM
It is shocking to see how people defend law breakers. It is just another sign of what is becoming of this country. Breaking the law is wrong and you should be punished! That is why we have traffic fines and cops. Stop defending highway STALKERS. Respect motor cyclists and respect one another and the road laws. Maybe that will make things a little better

Scarlet 8/20/2008 12:50:47 PM
You are right. There are MANY laws broken by road users. It seems like when you are trying to stick to the rules you are the odd one out and an irritation to others. There are many topics that could be discussed around breaking the law on the road, like speeding,driving in the yellow lane, turning left at a trafic light when there is slipway, etc. It doesn't however make the pedestrian issue any less serious or not illegal. - Scarlet

Andrew 8/20/2008 12:51:26 PM
There is still something to be said ofr survival of the fittest, smartest etc. If some idiot gets himself killed by running across a highway at night wearing dark clothing, then I consider it a blessing that his geneseed is not being propogated to further generations. Let the idiots kill themselves, just dob't make it my problem. I am sick of stupid people who want the whole of society to opperate at the lowest, dumbest denominator.

AJM 8/20/2008 12:53:13 PM
Go read up abit, it is actually legal for a motorcyle to "lane split" as long as it is over a dotted line not a solid white line and it is in 2 lanes going in the same direction.

BigBang 8/20/2008 12:55:26 PM
Yes you are. I drive my sports car on weekends when I can actually drive and not sit in traffic. You will never know what true freedom is until you have driven a motorcycle. 4 wheels moves the body, 2 wheels move the soul. Last thing on our minds is weather. I also have music and radio. (21st century, great inventions!)

Ali 8/20/2008 12:55:51 PM
Really now, do we have such idiots in our society who would condone people risking their lives by crossing freeways? With the wonderful JHB traffic we have already, lets reduce the freeway speed limit to 60km/h, double the traffic and increase road rage all in the interests of lazy people who cross freeways. Get a life Kolobe....and maybe some brain cells!

Craig 8/20/2008 12:59:48 PM
Have any of you actually thought of why these people are either walking down the highway or crossing it? Maybe it's because they don?t own a car, bicycle, cart or any other mode of transport other than two feet? But no! The arrogant, richer than thou, car owning South African have no consideration to others and demand that they arrest people for trying to get from one place another on a public right of way. I agree it is dangerous for share the road with others ? cars, motorbikes, bicycles and pedestrians. For those in cars ? just slow down! Have a look at any European country?s law ? the responsibility lies not with the pedestrian but with the driver of the car or bike rider, so it?s ?Hit a pedestrian and go to jail ? do not pass go, do not collect $200.? And yes, even when they should not be on the highway either. Have any of you actually thought of why these people are either walking down the highway or crossing it? Maybe it's because they don?t own a car, bicycle, cart or any other mode of transport other than two feet? But no! The arrogant, richer than thou, car owning South African have no consideration to others and demand that they arrest people for trying to get from one place another on a public right of way. I agree it is dangerous for share the road with others ? cars, motorbikes, bicycles and pedestrians. For those in cars ? just slow down! Have a look at any European country?s law ? the responsibility lies not with the pedestrian but with the driver of the car or bike rider, so it?s ?Hit a pedestrian and go to jail ? do not pass go, do not collect $200.? And yes, even when they should not be on the highway either. In the UK they have a campaign for road safety called ?Think!? and it?s aimed at car drivers ? not pedestrians, not cyclists, not little children who may run into the road. It brings that message out loud and clear ? think of the consequences of your actions ? driving too fast, not looking out for people, animals or other road users etc, etc. So in response to this articles diatribe ? Think! before you post such an article again.

GP (biker & motorist) 8/20/2008 1:00:25 PM
I cannot recall (I stand to be corrected) in either my learner or licence tests any mention about lane splitting!!! Lane splitting is a grey area, and I think it is also up to the biker to use responsibly... lane splitting in moving traffic... is that responsible? Ppl don't realise how fast a bike can come up on a car! Explain the behaviour of banging on car roofs when cars don't give them way? Is the car not entitled to the road? No space... 2 bad! Sum bikers r gone 2 arrogant!

Robin Hawkins 8/20/2008 1:01:04 PM
Although this article does make some valid points, it does not consider the pedestrians. Highways sit on the shortest routes. Big tar things no-one asked for. I walk. At sea, right of way is given to the craft with least power. Why should a person on foot have to detour so that a smug individual in his car can have a smooth ride. This view is utterly selfish.

Andre 8/20/2008 1:01:31 PM
The sad thing is, in stead of educating the pedestrians, the Traffic Police will rather put speed-humps or a reduced speed limit in place where pestrians regurlarly cross the road (legally or illeagally). These humps and reduced speed give them a false sense of security. And, somwhow dark-colourd people enjoy wearing dark-colourd clothing. Very difficult to see at night. Maybe arrive-alive must dish out some reflector stuff that some runners use.

JB 8/20/2008 1:02:36 PM
They do this and claim from the road accident fund, why do u think there is no more funds left????

ConnieM 8/20/2008 1:05:29 PM
Where is our metro police when these people are running across a highway? Surely this is more dangerous than a motorist yielding at a stop sign instead of coming to a complete halt. Could it be because the latter is easier to enforce???

Jez 8/20/2008 1:06:07 PM
As Barry Hilton would say: "Here's your sign".

bob 8/20/2008 1:06:49 PM
You ride a bike between cars or down the worong side as all motorbike riders do you deserve to come off second best and I have no patience for these idiots, I will knock you clean off and carry on driving

Bike Rider 8/20/2008 1:08:00 PM
I'm also a biker AND a cyclist. We have the Think Bike campaign to make motorists aware of bikers, but BIKERS should also follow the Think Bike campaign. They ride like maniacs and put their own lives in danger. Secondly, if pedestrians can use the highways, then us cyclists should also be allowed, which'll cause chaos and lots of fatalities. Highways are for cars, keep the pedestrians off them.

Big Bad Bob 8/20/2008 1:08:27 PM
Got some kind of reference for us?

Gee PMB 8/20/2008 1:13:34 PM
Your arguments are intolerable. Who pays you to sit here everyday to write your inane comments. Is your real name Julius? Personally, I think that if you had a whole brain you would still be stupid.

Tuffy 8/20/2008 1:14:36 PM
Good point but pedestrians are still not allowed on freeways BY LAW. Let's be honest about it - the bulk of the pedestrians under discussion are black which makes them very difficult to see at night from a fast moving vehicle on a highway (120km fast, per the law). Also - the bulk of drivers skipping through red traffic lights are black. Also - the bulk of vehicles stopping in an intersection and impeding traffic are driven by black drivers. Also ? the bulk of vehicles that are not roadworthy on our roads are used by black people. I can go on and on. Call me racist if you want; in my opinion I'm simply being observant and stating what I notice. Strange that the bulk of law-breaking is perpetrated by black people and that they ALWAYS find an excuse for their actions. So if anyone wants to know what is wrong with our society they don?t need to look any further than the law-breakers.

TruthBeTold 8/20/2008 1:15:37 PM
And admission to murder. Big brave man in your steel contraption. Just watch out when you knock a biker off, and his fellow bikers chase you down and give you the beating you deserve.

Karen 8/20/2008 1:15:57 PM
This is the most pathetic debate so far!! Who cares who was there first - that is 3 year old mentality, the fact is the road is there now and the motorists have right of way on a highway. And yes Craig, the rich do own the world!! That is the way of the world (and the law of the jungle) the strongest survive (and prosper) - live with it!! I am not interested in the reasons why they are poor, the fact is they are - thats the way that it is, the world balances everything including rich and poor.

Beverley 8/20/2008 1:16:08 PM
You are absolutely right!! If you have no WHEELS, stay off the fricking highway. Fast moving WHEELS is what it was made for and i am sure if it was made for FEET they would have provided WALIKING space for them. Perhaps you don't have cars? What is with the anger!! Have you never been upset about ROAD LAW BREAKERS?

Daxrsa 8/20/2008 1:16:27 PM
Travelling on the outer ring road in Durban one night some nutter tried to run across all 4 lanes of my side of the freeway. I was in the second lane he only made it to the 3rd, watching his body fly high into the air after the car next to me hit him at about 120km will unfortunately always be a memory I have to bear. I wish I could have recorded it to show all the IDIOTS defending highway hopping.

TedHaller 8/20/2008 1:16:39 PM
Do you not think before you write? Now they must move the roads away from where the people live!! Come on man, I don't believe anyone is that ignorant or stupid. The article also had nothing to do with roads passing through towns - it had to do with national roads. Even YOU are surelly not so stupid as to understand this?? Pedestrians are not allowed on national roads.

Little Sister 8/20/2008 1:27:25 PM
In any european country, anyone walking on a highway, or crossing where they're not supposed to is arrested!

RT 8/20/2008 1:30:00 PM
The bridges were built so that the peeps can walk in the shade !! LOL

Mark V 8/20/2008 1:36:05 PM
The N14 (Formerly R28) was there before Diepsloot residents. - Catch 22 hey!

Wim Skywalker 8/20/2008 1:42:58 PM
It is illegal for cars to drive on pavements and so is it illegal for pedestrians to be on the highway. IT IS THE LAW. Maybe the govt and arive alive should put signs on the pavements to be on the lookout for cars, the same way they put signs on the highway to lookout for pedestrians. AND when a pedestrian walks into a car he/she must then be charged with whatever a motorist get charged with for running a pedestrian over.

bob 8/20/2008 1:43:02 PM
What big metal contraption, its actually called a car (BMW 330i to be exact)Shame you get to work ok today on your tricycle stupid it....I carry a 9MM in my car so come try beat the crap out of me...Ill shove yah bike up your.....

gc 8/20/2008 1:50:28 PM
You can have as much consideration for pedestrians as you want but if one walks out in front of you while travelling at the speed limit of 120km you have very little chance of avoiding him without putting your life at risk. Unlike in the suburbs, where the speed limit is less, the pedestrian's life is at risk on a freeway.

@bob 8/20/2008 1:56:54 PM
Can I get a ringside seat. As if there is not enough violence already. Jeez! Road rage on the internet - now that is a step in the right direction!

Stephen Gold 8/20/2008 2:03:51 PM
...that happens in SA that is going to be the downfall of this beautiful country! Crime is high, oh well, just accept it and carry on. People jaywalk on the freeways, oh well, just put up signs warning motorists of high pedestrian numbers on freeways, and of course this makes it perfectly acceptable to walk across 120km/h zones! It is ridiculous!!!! I am glad I will be living in a country soon that adheres to it's laws properly without tolerance of lawbreakers. 1, 2, 3, let's do the haka!

CMA 8/20/2008 2:04:21 PM
I think that it is amazing how we all have our own views, whats legal, whats illegal and whats acceptable and whats not! just the thought of having to sit in traffic on the N1 north in the afternoons is enough for me to want to run across the freeway. I believe "most" using that streach of road including the taxi's are all very well behaved, with the exception of a few,but isn't that the case in all aspects of life,reality peds should not be there,but they are,we should be more careful and we are

Calvyn 8/20/2008 2:11:12 PM
To all the know it alls, actually take some time to read the laws of the country, I quote "Persons, other than traffic officers in the performance of their duties, driving motor cycles on a public road, shall drive in single file except in the course of overtaking another motor cycle, and two or more persons driving motor cycles shall not overtake another vehicle at the same time" Speed limit is 120km/h for everyone.

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