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A rebuttal to Science AND the Bible

11 April 2012, 12:33
A rebuttal to Science AND the Bible by TheRealTruth of 10 April 2012, 12:44

"We cannot argue with the principles of science. If a scientist explains to me the principle of gravity, I do not have the luxury (as a Christian or anyone else for that matter) of refuting that principle."

The fail begins, this is exactly what you have. Unlike the bible, which does not allow dispute, anyone can challenge the claims of science.

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers." (Isaiah 40:22)

First we want to know, how this Isaiah (?) discovered this,  and secondly I would refer you to the cosmology of the time that had the heavens hanging over the earth like a up turned bowel, with the top layer being the dwelling of god, above the waters of the firmament, below which contained the stars, sun and moon in what was called the firmament of heaven. Further the earth was recognized as being flat bounded by high mountains, sitting on the Pillars of the Earth, which had Sheol, or "hell" in the middle of it.

"He wraps up the waters in his clouds, yet the clouds do not burst under their weight."

"“He draws up the drops of water, which distill as rain to the streams; the clouds pour down their moisture and abundant showers fall on mankind."

With regards to the Job quotes, you have someone who is wondering how the rain, a seemingly solid and weighty substance can be held up in the sky, in the clouds. Of course, Job would not have known, nor was he told, that the water is in fact in vapour form. A god would have known this and should have told Job, if he was directing the writing of Job.

"The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course. All streams flow into the sea, yet the sea is never full. To the place the streams come from, there they return again."
(Ecclesiastes 1:6-7)

The major wind systems do not blow north and south around the earth in a latitudinal manner.  Yes, the "Jet Streams" do have such a component, in each hemisphere in which part of their route is in a north/south direction, they are considered in fact to circuit in a longitudinal pattern from the west to the east, as shown by the earth weather systems.
A better understanding of the verse, would be that a seasonal wind blows north in a local area and then seems to reverse itself, appearing to travel in a circle.

"I will make the descendants of David my servant and the Levites who minister before me as countless as the stars in the sky and as measureless as the sand on the seashore."
(Jeremiah 33:22)

All this suggests is what any bronze age person would be able to determine with their own eyes, that the stars at night are uncountable, but if there had been a creator god authoring this book, he would have been able to know the total number of stars in the universe at the time this piece of the book was written, and would have been able to state as fact, a number so vast, that it would have been an expression of his greatness to know this. Which of course it was not, and the only thing one can glean from this is that a god did not author it, but a bronze age person did.


"The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare."
(2 Samuel 22:16)

Oops, you missing part of that verse, and taking it out of context as well.

22:16 And the channels of the sea appeared, the foundations of the world were discovered at the rebuking of the LORD, at the blast of the breath of his nostrils.

Sounds to me like a description from someone who has seen and felt a volcano. Nothing that could not have been reasoned by bronze age goat herders.

"In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month —on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened."
(Genesis 7:11)

Let put this into modern terms for better understanding. On the 17th of January, God using great undefined magic caused all the taps of the water reservoirs in the oceans of the world to fully open and at the same time caused all the windows of the firmament of heaven to open to allow the waters above the firmament to fall to the earth as a downpour.  

Well,we now know there are no such water reservoirs in the ocean, or water above the firmament of heaven, nor windows in the firmament of heaven. Again knowledge that could only come from a bronze age goat herder.

The book of Job, chapter 40, and beginning at verse 15 seems to clearly describe a dinosaur.

Sorry, but it describes the creature as the largest of all land creatures, plant eating (herbivore), with great strength in its hips and legs, powerful stomach muscles, a tail like a cedar tree, and bones like bars of iron.

Which fits quite well as a description of an elephant which the Hebrews of the time would hear stories about.

"For the life of a creature is in the blood."
(Leviticus 17:11)

Of course, hunter gathers of the bronze age, would not have noticed that blood and lack of it, has something major to do with staying alive? And if an all knowing god was the author of this book, how come there is not one mention of the brain being the seat of consciousness. Yet, the heart and kidneys are mentioned in such context, a number of times.


One should remember that the ancient Hebrews were a pastoral people, a simple group of folk, with a simple mythology. That is what the old testament shows, nothing more. There is no great science in it, or even alluded to within it, as Harper Bible Dictionary states.:

"The ancient Hebrews imagined the world as flat and round [disk], covered by the great solid dome of the firmament which was held up by mountain pillars, (Job 26:11; 37:18). The blue color of the sky was attributed to the chaotic waters that the firmament separated from the earth (Gen. 1:7). The earth was thus surrounded by waters above and below (Gen. 1:6,7; cf. Psalms 24:2; 148:4, Deut. 5:8). The firmament was thought to be substantial; it had pillars (Job 26:11) and foundations (2 Sam. 22:8). When the windows of it were opened, rain fell (Gen. 7:11-12; 8:2). The sun, moon, and stars moved across or were fixed in the firmament (Gen. 1:14-19; Ps. 19:4,6). It was also the abode of the birds (Gen. 1:20; Deut. 4:17). Within the earth lay Sheol, the realm of the dead (Num. 16:30-33; Isa. 14:9,15)."

This is what one would expect from such a people, attempting and failing to understand the world around them. We can and have done better with modern science and research. Science has beaten the god of the bible in explaining the world around us.

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