I read your article entitled “The sensitive atheist – and other myths” with great interest. I found it interesting that someone could mention so many points of netiquette, and in the same breath violate so many of those same points himself. But that is neither here nor there. I want to get to the point.
I realise I’m wasting my breath by replying to you, but what the heck. I’ve got ten minutes to kill, and it’s my ten minutes to waste.
You refer to atheists, gaytheists and god haters, and also indicate that the term might just be interchangeable. First of all, there is no such word as “gaytheist”. I know this because I went to check my dictionary. Please refer me to the dictionary you found it in. Second of all, I have some qualms about the term “god hater”. I assume you refer to the christian god, whatever his name is? If so, please explain to me how denying a god, ANY god’s existence can be defined as hating said god? As a Christian, do you deny the existence of Allah? If so, then does that mean you are an Allah hater? Or a Zeus hater? Or an Odin hater? Or a Ra hater? Or a Wakan-Tanka hater? Or a Quetzalcoatl hater? Do you really waste your time hating every single god whose existence you deny? By your argument, I’d have to assume this is indeed the case. Can it indeed be possible for someone to hate something he doesn’t believe exists? I would really like an answer to this question, Ken.
In my opinion, one can’t hate what one believes doesn’t exist. Atheists by definition deny the existence of god. Not just the christian god, but ALL gods. They therefore do not hate god. God, for them, simply doesn’t exist.
Let me ask you a question, and once again, I’d really like a response from you. Would you, as someone who denies the existence of the god Allah take a muslim seriously if he approached you and told you to abide by Shar’iah law? I’m willing to go out on a limb and say you probably wouldn’t. You’d tell him to get lost and take his religion with him. Am I right? Or am I wrong, and you’d genuinely sit down with that muslim and listen to his arguments, keep an open mind about Islam, and really read the Koran attentively. Would you give the Koran equal weight to everything else you knew? If your answer is “yes”, then we can talk further. However, if it is “no”, then you have just proven yourself to be a hypocrite.
How can you expect atheists, who do not believe in your god, or any god, to take your holy book and your religion seriously, but you do not extend that courtesy to anyone else? Whatever happened to treating everyone the way you wanted to be treated? Does it not apply to you too? Or does it only apply to people other than you?
You further attempt to insult the atheists by calling them gaytheists, and thereby making yet another logical error.
Atheism is not related to homosexuality, nor is the acknowledgement and support of equality for homosexuals any indication of sexuality. It comes down to logic. You claim that they hate christianity and the bible “because it points a finger at their lifestyle”, to paraphrase you. This is incorrect. We have already established that in their view, god does not exist, and therefore the bible cannot, to them, be authoritative. In order for someone to take the bible seriously, they first have to believe in god. The same is true for every religion that has a holy book. In order to take the Koran seriously, you first have to believe in Allah. Therefore, it’s not the fact that bible points a finger at homosexuals that’s the issue. Its how christians in general treat people who do not believe in their god. THAT is what atheists (and pretty much everyone else who isn’t christian) object to.
Let’s be very clear here, Ken. Not everyone shares your beliefs, and there’s n logical reason for them to do so. You wouldn’t follow Shar’iah law just because a muslim said you should, no matter how seriously he took his beliefs. In short, don’t expect people who do not share your beliefs to be bound by your religious beliefs. It’s irrelevant how many of you there are. Religion isn’t a democracy, nor should it ever be, given the disparate views on what passes for human rights within religion in general.
So do be a dear and treat others how you would like to be treated. Atheists attack you and your religion because you and your religion tries to dictate to people who do not believe in it. That is how you lot treat others, and therefore that is how you are treated in return.
In the atheist view of the world, there’s no reason to hate gays. They recognise that the only reason to do so is religious, and since they reject all religion, they dismiss the christian view on homosexuality.
I’m not an atheist though, so Ken, here’s your chance to convert me to christianity. I’m a pantheist. I believe that god is the universe, and the “gods” some of us worship are nothing more than personifications for the forces of nature and our own psyches. Being the kind of person I am, I include the gods and goddesses Athena, Freya, Kali, Wakan Tanka and Coyote Trickster in my personal view of the universe. I relate to them the best.
Now, given that I’m not a christian, you can’t refer to the bible to convince me of your god’s existence. It’s not going to carry any weight whatsoever, since, as mentioned, in order for me to take your book seriously, I have to first be convinced of your god’s existence. So...convince me. Prove to me that your religion is the one true religion by providing me with incontrovertible and non-scriptural proof that your god did something my gods couldn’t have done. Prove to me that your gods are real and mine isn’t. Failing that, stop expecting me, or anyone else, to abide by your religious views. Stop bothering the atheists and they’ll leave you alone. Oh, and you don’t like gays? Too bad for you. It not their fault your religion condemns homosexuality. Stop imposing your religious laws on them, or I’d really like to see you submit to Shar’iah law. Treat others as you’d like to be treated.