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Answering Revelation and More

31 December 2011, 13:20

This article is in response to the article posted by Revelation called ‘The God Debate”. Please read it first so you can understand the context of my article.

I’ll quote his points and address them chronologically to ensure I do his arguments and remarks justice. Then after that, I’ll do some more rambling about religion and end off for the year and apply myself otherwise.

 

 ‘just because someone doesn’t share your point of view on a matter doesn’t make that person less intelligent than you’

We atheist never said that. Nevertheless, let me state my opinion on the matter. Science has its grey areas and points of contention (like string theory for example, and what really killed the Neanderthals), but as a whole, science is still a much more rational, honest, and a demonstrably ‘true’ argument for reality than ANY religious text is (even when interpreted to extremes by apologists). If you want to bypass the latest advances in human reasoning and knowledge and cling to antiquated reasoning that was already outdated thousands of years ago then let me state it flat out, you can’t expect atheists to engage with you as if you are an equal. It’s like arguing with a 10 year old kid about whether or not the Easter bunny is real.

‘…a big bang (which scientists have spent millions of dollars on trying to recreate, & will spend much more on before realising it can’t be recreated)…’

Oh so you have performed the hideously complex experiments to their full conclusions, right? Why didn’t you just publish your data and spare them the time, effort, and money? You would have been more convincing had you told me that god told you it can’t be done. At least then you could be pardoned on the grounds of insanity. That comment is constituted purely from two ingredients, arrogance and ignorance.

‘Physical biology aside, how on earth would one be able to come up with a percentage, for arguments sake(calm down), for the chances of that happening?’

It is much higher than the chances that the bible will be proven as the ultimate handbook on reality guidebook for our existence. Typical christian comeback. If you really cared ANYTHING about mathematical probabilities, you would believe NOTHING that’s written in your bible. Go calculate the mathematical chance of a man walking on water, or corpses rising from their graves to interact with the living. It shows you really don’t think before you talk. You are hurting your religion friend, and doing so without me having to contribute.

‘Science still cannot explain how the human brain works; so far we managed to figure out how much we do use, which isn’t much.’

Not in its entirety, no. But luckily scientists don’t assume something is impossible or unknowable and then spend the rest of their lives claiming that it’s a mystery of god. Scientists have accurately reproduced the hearing circuits of the human brain and the tests ran showed it behaved very similar to the human hearing system. I can show you research data from medical institutions if you really are interested, drop me a reply below. Human brains are more complex yes, but we will eventually unravel how they work, just as we figured out how disease and weather work (things once attributed to supernatural causes by superstitious and religious societies). It has also been shown by neural science that we do not use only a small fraction of our brain. Perhaps some people from the faith camp deliberately limit how much of their brains they use? It would certainly better explain some of their arguments, and even win the sympathy of atheists.

"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist.” Think about it

Yeah and the greatest trick the money grubbing priests ever invented to keep christians stuck in fossilized thought was that simplistic one-liner. You have heard of reverse psychology, right? If not, you’re an example of what the intended effect was. Such a simplistic uttering does not prove the existence of the devil, but feel free to explain the though train you use to get to that final conclusion (no really, I want to know).

‘…realise that my experiences that I've had with God FAR outweigh your criticism that is undoubtedly going to follow’

The experiences you’ve had with god are no doubt as real to you as the hallucinations suffered by any mentally ill person. I also experienced god when I was a christian. I also experienced the dread of having the boogie monster under my bed when I was 6 years old. Subjective experiences don’t prove anything to the rest of us. If that is how you cop-out of an argument you started... then please don’t even bother to retort.

So there we have it folks. Another stunning series of arguments from the faith camp. Really, and my fellow atheists expect me to waste the time and effort into writing a master’s thesis with dozens of peer reviewed scientific sources and evidence. Doing so would simply make me look desperate. Almost like an adult having a mature conversation with a very young child. I’ve seen this from very drunk adults, it’s very creepy and unsettling.

So to those annoyed ‘polite’ atheists who again think I can’t do a real debate with credible facts and sources; you go pull out your BANKAI (bleach fans will get this) at every foe. I’ll spare mine for an opponent worthy of the effort.


Now for those who want to delve a little deeper into the topic of religion VS everything else, here are some areas to get you started.

It’s not hard to fight for faith

It is well within the reach of any uneducated person to match the debating style of religious people, but it is damn hard to match the debating style of a scientist, biologist, or well-educated atheist. In fact, before one can even attempt to match the great atheist debaters, such as Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Aron Ra, and James Randi, to name but a very few, one usually has to spend many years keeping quiet and learning about science, cosmology, history, paleontology, genetics, evolution, physics, mathematics, taxonomy, and most of all, the scientific method and the art of rational thinking!

To debate for the faith camp, you just need to plant your ass in a chair, profess a belief in some god, make the claims that science is anti-religion and anti-god, and then declare yourself the winner of every argument you ever entered because the atheists could not answer your irrational questions. Like those christian apologetics who claim they can prove religion using science and evidence, who then simply exploit their followers’ utter lack of understanding regarding science and what constitutes as real evidence by making ridiculous arguments that appeal to simple minds already preconditioned to avoid thinking too hard—if they even think at all. People like Dinesh de Souza, Frank Turek, and that jailbird nutter Kent Hovend who proclaimed himself an expert on science because he taught it in school, and released a series of books and DVD’s to promote his ‘faith filtered’ version of evolution and science. I honestly could not believe people told me, ‘oh you think you are so smart, go watch Kent Hovind’s video’s and you will see real science and evolution explained’. OMFG…

The debate of the faithful is a mixture of evasion and evisceration. They deliberately distort scientific facts, they play dumb and deliberately phrase questions and arguments in a way that ridicules the scientific theory they want to dismiss. They don’t ask questions for which they want honest answers. And when they are cornered, they cock their argument into reverse and quickly back out of the avenue they turned in to, racing off onto another ‘gap’ where they can park and exclaim, ‘look! God did it’! Keep pointing out the potholes; we’ll fill them with concrete evidence(excuse the pun) in due time while you are otherwise entertained by the mystery of the hole itself.

There is a genuine and tangible desperation in the arguments of the faithful. So much so, that one would almost think they somehow benefit in some earthly manner from the widespread persistence of these superstitious beliefs. Some of the biggest christian apologetics have already admitted that they are not entering into debate with scientists and atheist just to get bogged down in facts; they are simply there to argue, on the basis of faith, that their religion is the one true religion, and that it should be left alone to work its way into our politics, education, and society as it once did … to great detrimental effect, I might add.

There is no place on earth, no court, no university, no public platform, where reason and evidence are the order of the day, where a religious person could ever earn a seat in a debate. But thankfully they are allowed to face off against the masters of logic every now and again—and what a spectacle that is. Many of the people who abandon religion and become atheists do so because the religious arguments presented by the faithful allow them to see for the first time how absolutely ridiculous their blind faith really is.

Theists forget that most atheists were once devout believers too. You are ignorant of science and reason, but we know as much of the bible as you do (if not more), we simply don’t believe it because it cannot stand up to scrutiny. Anything that demands of to believe it because it sais so is obviously seriously flawed! Even lowly HUMAN SCIENTIST can give much more intelligent answers and reasons as to why we should believe in their theories. Oh like say they invent the transistor from the theory of quantum physics, or create a nuclear bomb form the THEORY of the atom. What can the religious claim? Silence…

Were it not for the brilliance of those who follow science and reason and seek for substantial and verifiable proof before they make their assertions, we’d still be trapped in the dark ages. We would all be subject to the clamp down on knowledge and morality that religion is well known for throughout our history. It is also worrying that these debates could become endangered as our modern day atheist heroes, at least the ones with the guts to risk taking their debates into the public, are literally old and dying. We tragically lost Christopher Hitchens just a few short weeks ago. On his feet, Hitchens had no rival in debate. He could whip out a counter argument that is of a caliber that most other intellectuals would have to sit a few long hours (or even days) to match. Sadly Richard Dawkins is not the youngest either. James Randi is actually border lining on becoming senile. Who will carry the torch when our heroes are no more?

What has religion given us that is good in the modern world? It claims to be the source of morality, but reading its texts one is bound to conclude that it merely advocates intolerance and conflict. It abounds with unverifiable claims and the savage beliefs of primitive humans. Of course, apologetics won’t admit this. They claim atheists are deliberately focusing on texts that no ‘sane’ christian takes literally. But such is the fine art of biblical interpretation, isn’t it? If it is too outlandish to believe (even for the faithful), then simply make it metaphorical and then extrapolate endlessly as to the ‘true’, or simply non-existent meaning.

Some of the laughable claims the bible makes

The bible makes the claim that we are the crowning jewel in what is otherwise a far more majestic material universe. This blatant arrogance is utterly insulting and solipsism of the highest order. We’re so important and precious to this god chap that he has to throw the majority of his ‘finest’ work into a fire that will torture them for his failure, for eternity.

The bible claims we have free will, yet we were never given the choice to not have it. Ok, maybe I should start with simpler ironies.

God made the female gender of our species from the rib of a Neanderthal! His second mistake perhaps?

According to the timeline derived from following the bloodline of Adam, you can convince some people the earth was made 6000 years ago. At least they can count, but the source of the timeline is questionable at best.

A great flood literally drowned all life on the planet save for Noah and his family. Where did all that water come from? Christian sheep: from an ice sheet that surrounded the entire planet—I saw it on a Kent Hovind DVD!

All the species alive on the planet today, including all insects (the total biomass of which could never have reached present day numbers if it had to be replenished from a single male/female pair from each species, starting 4000 years ago) was housed on an ark which is much smaller than the seagoing vessels we build today, yet it could carry orders of magnitude more load! Remember, all those creatures needed food to sustain them, so that ups the load even more. It is a miracle I tell you! We should use miracle technology today as it’s obviously so much better. The real miracle is how people believe this and actually think they can enter an honest debate with this nonsense and think they have a point.

The bible claims there were giants called that interbred with humans. Christian scientists commonly say this is the bibles proof that Dinosaurs existed with man and even did the hanky panky with them. Two major problems in this one: man and Dinosaurs never met (we can prove that BTW with EVIDENCE, not conjecture!), and they can’t interbreed because of genetic differences. I can excuse this one cause Kent Hovind endorsed the idea so those who believe this are the asinine end of the faith spectrum.

The bible claims that PI is a round number (3) and that the earth is a flat disk covered by a crystal dome. It also claims if you show a cloth with stripes to a pregnant cow it would have a calf with stripes.

The bible advocates that people who work on the Sabbath be stoned and that children who disobey their parents should be killed. Last time I saw, christians do none of this. WHY? Oh wait, thou shalt not murder! No wait still too far back, even the 10 commandments now don’t count cause it all somehow made sense after Jesus died. God changed his mind (strange for a perfect being) and now christians can do what they want as long as they profess an irrational belief in the salvation jesus gave them. Again, don’t give me that look, it’s not my idea, it’s theirs.

Snakes talk. Ok that one is a little cheap I admit. I mean anyone who has studied the anatomy of a snakes head knows that a forked tongue and a skull with that shape (let’s not forget the total absence of vocal chords and the primitive reptilian brain incapable of decoding language) obviously concluded that the things can’t converse in any human language. Oh, I misunderstood? They only talk when the devil turns into one! Right, that makes perfect sense!

Moses parted thousands of tons of ocean water with a stick and an incantation! HAHAHAHAHA! Ok seriously, who wrote this stuff?

I can draw this list out extensively if I had the time. If anyone is REALLY interested in seeing where all this nonsense is mentioned in the bible, watch a series on youtube called ‘Falsehoods of Creationism’ by AronRa, it gives the verses to a multitude of biblical ‘facts’ for you to peruse.

Oh but wait, the only accurate bible is the Afrikaans one? Doh! And only if it’s the old translations! I apologise, the church I was in as a teenager really excelled at apologetics…

Till next year. HAPPY NEW YEAR, and let’s end 2012 with a bang (even if the Mayans prove to be wrong).

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