PLEASE NOTE:

MyNews24 is a user-generated section of News24.com. The stories here come from users.

 
Sean
 
Comments: 514
Article views: 2761
 
 
Latest Badges:



 
View all Sean's badges.
 

Atheists and the immaterial and then their intentional states!

26 April 2013, 10:00

There are a few things you will hear atheists say quite often, stuff like “a lack of belief in god is why I’m an atheist”

What if we do that? What if we use their logic and reason against them will they concede and accept the fact that gods or a god can exist?  

Let’s have some fun shall we!

First we need to determine what atheism actually means. Let’s have a look;

There really are only two types of atheists; weak atheism (a particular god does not exist) and strong atheism (no gods exist). The majority of the commentators here on news 24 that declare themselves atheists, seem to be strong atheists. To be a strong atheist means that no gods exist and it also means that everything is the result of material processes only. All good so far but for materialism to be true the immaterial cannot exist.

Immaterial things are stuff not made of (atoms) truth, reason, logic, beliefs and freedom are examples of immaterial things.

So with that in mind let’s look at the following; Atheists are quick to voice their opinions on the lack of gods, but what is an opinion? An opinion is conclusion based on a belief system. What is an atheist’s belief system? Do they even have one? Often you will hear an atheist say that they have no evidence that gods exist and thus use a belief system in materialism as the basis to form that opinion. In philosophy this is called an intentional state.

Because atheists have a lack of belief in gods they are forced to believe that materialism is the only system capable of everything that exists; this opinion is what is known as an intentional state. I have to add; atheists have many other intentional states; they believe that free will does not exist because the universe is deterministic, and they also believe that intentional states cannot exist in a deterministic universe .

Did you spot that? They just contradicted themselves, how you ask? Firstly beliefs are immaterial but atheists do not believe in the immaterial! They have just also reached an intentional state by forming an opinion based on the belief system that the universe is a result of material processes. As you can see it has nothing to do with their intelligence that they are atheists only a problem with their formal reasoning and logic.

Now what? Since intentional states do exist as the atheist’s own belief system has shown it means, then the universe cannot be deterministic. If the universe is not deterministic then free will exist and by proving immaterial things do exist (atheistic beliefs) our atheist friends are in a pickle. Will they disregard all their beliefs because of its proven contradictions?

My prediction is they will keep raising their opinions and will wilfully violate their own belief system. I hope they can prove me wrong but I very much doubt that.

Disclaimer: All articles and letters published on MyNews24 have been independently written by members of News24's community. The views of users published on News24 are therefore their own and do not necessarily represent the views of News24. News24 editors also reserve the right to edit or delete any and all comments received.

 

Read News24’s Comments Policy

24.com publishes all comments posted on articles provided that they adhere to our Comments Policy. Should you wish to report a comment for editorial review, please do so by clicking the 'Report Comment' button to the right of each comment.

Comment on this story
514 comments
Add your comment
Comment 0 characters remaining

Read more from our Users

Submitted by
AfricaMusings
The past month and what it (possi...

The shocking and quite frankly disturbing news coming out of South Africa recently cuts deep. Xenophobia has reared its ugly head again. Read more...

2 comments 457 views
Submitted by
Seun wa Moutse
The Poor people keep on voting AN...

Again, another person who is more than happy with poverty, lack of jobs, diabolical education system and zero service delivery with zero accountability. Read more...

3 comments 216 views
Submitted by
Sesi Xvi
SA economy not as big as we think...

During the Nelson Mandela and Thabo Mbeki's time SA was number 1 economy in Africa. Today, however, our economy is not as big as we think.  Read more...

1 comments 468 views
Submitted by
Tom Noblinkers252
A better way of life than devotio...

It's estimated that there are more than a 100 billion galaxies in the universe. Each one of these galaxies can contain more than a 100 billion stars. Read more...

55 comments 511 views
Submitted by
Victor
Atheists will never understand Ch...

Among the many “get out of jail cards” Christians’ use in debates with atheists is the one where they say that atheists will never understand Christianity.  Read more...

230 comments 1965 views
Submitted by
Colin Webster452
MWEB Protea player beats Zimbabwe...

We are all aware that Kyle Turnbull is without doubt the best FIFA eSports gamer in South Africa as he has been crowned the SA National Champion twice in as many years. Read more...

2 comments 290 views
 

services

E-mail Alerts The latest headlines in your inbox

RSS feeds News delivered really simply.

Mobile News24 on your mobile or PDA

E-mail Newsletters You choose what you want

News24 on your iPhone Get News24 headlines on your iPhone.

News24 on Android Get the latest from News24 on your Android device.

SMS Alerts Get breaking news stories via SMS.

Blogs Your opinion on you, me and everyone.

 
Interactive Advertising Bureau
 
© 2015 24.com. All rights reserved.
There are new stories on the homepage. Click here to see them.
 
English
Afrikaans
isiZulu

Hello 

Create Profile

Creating your profile will enable you to submit photos and stories to get published on News24.


Please provide a username for your profile page:

This username must be unique, cannot be edited and will be used in the URL to your profile page across the entire 24.com network.

Settings

Location Settings

News24 allows you to edit the display of certain components based on a location. If you wish to personalise the page based on your preferences, please select a location for each component and click "Submit" in order for the changes to take affect.




Facebook Sign-In

Hi News addict,

Join the News24 Community to be involved in breaking the news.

Log in with Facebook to comment and personalise news, weather and listings.