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Double Standards?

18 June 2014, 10:00

It has, by now, I’m sure, come to the attention of everyone on N24 what a notorious liar I am, so if I publish another piece on this forum it will not surprise them, not should it, for there are two sets of rules on this forum: one for the atheists and those supporting them, and one for the rest.

Now we all know the old dictum, or should, that if an alcoholic, a drunken, shambling, stinking alcoholic tells you not to drink, it is still good advice. It doesn’t matter he’s being hypocritical (he might not be), but it remains good advice.

So we come to the matter of references. Vox Day, he whose name is spat out in disdain by the so-called scholars on this site, can be correct, as he is when he names some facts and then carefully references them.

This is a direct quote from my last piece, upon which scorn was poured because it was written by Vox Day, but they conveniently ignore his references. Too much work to check? Or will it redden your face to do so?

The total body count for the ninety years between 1917 and 2007 is approximately 148 million dead at the bloody hands of fifty-two atheists, three times more than all the human beings killed by war,

civil war, and individual crime in the entire twentieth century combined. The historical record of collective atheism is thus 182,716 times worse on an annual basis than Christianity’s worst and most

infamous misdeed, the Spanish Inquisition. It is not only Stalin and Mao who were so murderously inclined, they were merely the worst of the whole Hell-bound lot. For every Pol Pot whose infamous name is still spoken with horror today, there was a Mengistu, a Bierut, and a Choibalsan, godless men whose names are now forgotten everywhere but in the lands they once ruled with a red hand.

Is a 58 percent chance that an atheist leader will murder a noticeable percentage of the population over which he rules sufficient evidence that atheism does, in fact, provide a systematic influence to do bad things? If that is not deemed to be conclusive, how about the fact that the average atheist crime against humanity is 18.3 million percent worse than the very worst depredation committed by Christians, even though atheists have had less than one-twentieth the number of opportunities with which to commit them. If one considers the statistically significant size of the historical atheist set and contrasts it with the fact that not one in a thousand religious leaders have committed

similarly large-scale atrocities, it is impossible to conclude otherwise, even if we do not yet understand exactly why this should be the case. Once might be an accident, even twice could be coincidence, but fifty-two incidents in ninety years reeks of causation! No doubt this is why the Unholy Trinity attempt to limit the discussion of secular evil to Stalin and Mao.

(Vox Day: The Irrational Atheist)

Now I realise correlation does not imply causation, but it does waggle its eyebrows furtively, while mouthing suggestively, ‘Look over there!’

16 All numbers taken from Prof. Rummel’s estimates at http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/SOD.

TAB16A.1.GIF with some minor updates from newer Rummel figures. The calculations provided

are the mid-range for a total of 148 million victims of Communism, although death tolls as high

as 260 million in the twentieth century have been estimated. Note that some known Communist

countries are not listed here, for example, the state murders committed by the Nicaraguan Sandinista regime and the People’s Republic of South Yemen numbered 5,000 people or less. In some cases, such as Kampuchea and Laos, the numbers reflect the victims of more than one Communist regime, for example, the Khmer Rouge ruled Kampuchea from 1975–1978, after which the Vietnamese- installed puppet government ruled until 1991. Both regimes committed mass murders, although the Khmer Rouge were ten times as deadly as their successors.

17 Prof. Rummel estimates 38.5 million people killed in all the wars and civil wars throughout the

twentieth century. Averaging the published murder rates for the four largest “countries” in the

world, China, India, the U.S.A., and the EU, at their respective high points, I calculated an approximate global murder rate of 3.12 per 100,000 population and multiplied it by an average twentieth century population of 3.82 billion to reach an estimated 11.9 million private murder victims in the twentieth century. See chapter VII, footnote 39.

Now you’ll notice that he does not anywhere say they killed in the name of atheism, but it seems atheist regimes all kill large numbers of people, and amongst those are always Christians, because they oppose the order.

And then poor, sad Atheitis. Constantly trotting out Mein Kamp, in which Hitler claimed to be a Christian. This was published in 1925 and 1926, in two separate volumes.

The following quotes were taken from "Hitler Speaks: A Series of Political Conversations With Adolf Hitler on His Real Aims" By Hermann Rauschning, 1st edition, 1939

"Leave the hair-splitting to others. Whether it's the Old Testament or the New, or simply the sayings of Jesus, it's all the same old Jewish swindle. It will not make us free. A German church, a German Christianity is a distortion. One is either a German or a Christian. You cannot be both."

"Hitler made it clear that he was not interested in an "Aryanized Christianity" or the "Aryan Jesus" myth promoted by Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Von Liebenfels, and certain party members. "You cannot make an Aryan out of Jesus, that's nonsense. What needs to be done you say? I will tell you: we must prevent the churches from doing anything but, what they are doing now, that is, losing ground day by day. But we can hasten matters. The parsons will be made to dig their own graves." he stated."

"Fundamentally in everyone there is the feeling for this allmighty, which we call God (that is to say, the dominion of natural laws throughout the whole universe). The priests, who have always succeeded in exploiting this feeling, threaten punishments for the man who refuses to accept the creed they impose."

"Bolshevism, the illegitimate child of Christianity."

"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks only to enslave them. In the ancient world, the relations between men and gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its key-note is intolerance."

"Without Christianity, we should not have had Islam. The Roman Empire, under Germanic influence, would have developed in the direction of world-domination, and humanity would not have extinguished fifteen centuries of civilization at a single stroke."

"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. The result of the collapse of the Roman Empire was a night that lasted for centuries."

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."

"Science cannot lie, for it's always striving, according to the momentary state of knowledge, to deduce what is true. When it makes a mistake, it does so in good faith. It's Christianity that's the liar. It's in perpetual conflict with itself."

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges : the pox and Christianity."

"Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilization by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society. Thus one understands that the healthy elements of the Roman world were proof against this doctrine."

"Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday, the instigator was Saul: the instigator to-day, Mardochai. Saul has changed into St. Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea."

"After all, it was only between the sixth and eighth centuries that Christianity was imposed on our peoples by princes who had an alliance of interests with the shavelings. Our peoples had previously succeeded in living all right without this religion. I have six divisions of SS composed of men absolutely indifferent in matters of religion. It doesn't prevent them from going to their deaths with serenity in their souls."

"But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery."

"Pure Christianity—the Christianity of the catacombs—is concerned with translating the Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics."

"It was Christianity that brought about the fall of Rome—not the Germans or the Huns. What Bolshevism is achieving to-day on the materialist and technical level, Christianity had achieved on the metaphysical level."

"One cannot succeed in conceiving how much cruelty, ignominy and falsehood the intrusion of Christianity has spelt for this world of ours."

"It is Jewry that always destroys this order. It constantly provokes the revolt of the weak against the strong, of bestiality against intelligence, of quantity against quality. It took fourteen centuries for Christianity to reach the peak of savagery and stupidity. We would therefore be wrong to sin by excess of confidence and proclaim our definite victory over Bolshevism. The more we render the Jew incapable of harming us, the more we shall protect ourselves from this danger. The Jew plays in nature the role of a catalyzing element. A people that is rid of its Jews returns spontaneously to the natural order."

"Christianity is the worst of the regressions that mankind can ever have undergone, and it's the Jew who, thanks to this diabolic invention, has thrown him back fifteen centuries. The only thing that would be still worse would be victory for the Jew through Bolshevism. If Bolshevism triumphed, mankind would lose the gift of laughter and joy. It would become merely a shapeless mass, doomed to grayness and despair."

"The priests of antiquity were closer to nature, and they sought modestly for the meaning of things. Instead of that, Christianity promulgates its inconsistent dogmas and imposes them by force. Such a religion carries within it intolerance and persecution. It's the bloodiest conceivable."

"The same thing is happening to music as is happening to beauty in a world dominated by the shavelings—the Christian religion is an enemy to beauty."

"I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."

Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.

"This terrorism in religion is the product, to put it briefly, of a Jewish dogma, which Christianity has universalized and whose effect is to sow trouble and confusion in men's minds. It's obvious that, in the realm of belief, terrorist teachings have no other object but to distract men from their natural optimism and to develop in them the instinct of cowardice."

As far as we are concerned, we've succeeded in chasing the Jews from our midst and excluding Christianity from our political life.
If nowadays we do not find the same splendid pride of race which distinguished the Grecian and Roman eras, it is because in the fourth century these Jewish-Christians systematically destroyed all the monuments of these ancient civilizations. It was they, too, who destroyed the library at Alexandria."

I'm indebted to Sean for bringing this to my attention, and I re-posted exactly what he posted here and you can check out the book on Amazon; it’s available for sale. You’ll notice that fifteen years elapsed between the publication of Mein Kampf and the book mentioned here. These are also Hitler’s words, as were his instructions to set up a Reich’s Church, mentioned in my previous post.

Now I don’t think I, or any serious debater on this forum, has ever claimed that Hitler was an atheist. He was an occultist, and well-known to be one. And whether or not you believe in the existence of Jesus Christ or not, whether you believe He said the words attributed to Him or whether someone else wrote them, those words have been around for at least sixteen hundred years, and those words define what a Christian is.

Whether it’s Adolf Hitler, Martin Luther or John Calvin, what they say matters not a jot: it’s what they do that counts. Were the Crusaders Christians? Check the words attributed to Jesus. Were the Inquisitors Christian? Check the words attributed to Jesus. Are Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, Ray McCauley, Paula White, Creflo Dollar and the many thousands of other televangelists Christian?

Check the words of Jesus.

And when it comes to atheists in power, check their actions. Stalin destroyed forty-seven thousand churches, and as recently as the eighties, a Christian child could not go on to higher education in the Soviet Union, because they had to swear allegiance to the Soviet State, part of the oath insisted on allegiance to no other person or being.

In the mid-nineties China finally lifted the ban on Christianity, but Christians are still excluded from Government jobs if they put down their religion as ‘Christian’ on the application form. For many years it was an automatic death sentence.

So, while atheists claim that no-one killed in the name of atheism, they may well be right, but the states that were and are atheist demand utter allegiance, to the exclusion of all else. So they’re not killing in the name of atheism, they’re killing in the name of their ideology, which is atheist and, I’m sure to the people being killed, that makes a huge difference.

What this comes down to is one thing: historically it can be shown that, when people attain power, they become corrupt and exercise their power in a cruel and brutal manner. This includes the majority of the Hebrew Kings.

So, whether or not biological evolution is a fact is not within the scope of this article to answer, but one thing that is within the scope of this article to answer is this: there certainly has been no concurrent moral evolution, as can be shown through the centuries and the fact that more people are being killed, tortured, enslaved and hurt in more inventive ways than ever before in history.

I do not believe there should be any form of religious government, whether Christian or otherwise. I believe in the separation of powers, for it has been proven that the only truly workable governments are secular Democracies. And if their President or Prime Minister happens to be an atheist, that would remain his choice.

That is a Democracy, however.

Give them the reigns and let slip the dogs of war!

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