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Rebuttal for Rodins Thinker God didnt created evil

16 May 2013, 09:29

In Part 2 of Rodin’s article, he repeatedly mentions the evil of God, by saying God created it. I have not seen any object or article that can be described as Evil. I have copied this, and it is about the definition of Freewill, Sin, and evil according to the Bible.

Sin, is anything not in the expressed will of God. Evil is a malicious intent to be outside the expressed will of God. Not all sin is Evil, but all Evil is sin. Free Will Is the ability to be outside of the Expressed Will of God on your own accord. In other words The "gift" of free will is the ability to Sin. Humans have this ability so we may choose where we wish to spend eternity, but as with any real choice comes a price and consequence.”

There have been many arguments used to indict God as the cause of evil. Here is one of them:

1) God is the creator of everything that exists.
2) Evil exists.
3) Therefore, God is the creator of evil.


So if Rodins is correct in this understanding of the word evil, then God created a malicious intent to be outside the expressed will of God. That to me seemed a bit illogical.

Briefly about God’s will

According to Bible there are many aspects of God’s Will, the first aspect is known as God’s decretive, sovereign, or hidden will. This is God’s "ultimate" will. This expression of God’s will focuses on the fact that God independently ordains everything that comes to pass. In other words, there is nothing that happens that is outside of God’s sovereign will. This aspect of God’s will is seen in verses like Ephesians 1:11, Job 42:2. This view of God’s will is based on the fact that, because God is sovereign, His will can never be frustrated. Nothing happens that is beyond His control.

This understanding of His sovereign will does not imply that God causes everything to happen. Rather, it acknowledges that, because He is sovereign, He must at least permit or allow whatever happens to happen. This aspect of God’s will acknowledges that, even when God passively permits things to happen, He must choose to permit them, because He always has the power and right to intervene. God can always decide to either permit or stop the actions and events of this world. Therefore, as He allows things to happen, He has “willed” them in this sense of the word. This Will is mostly hidden to us, and hence the reason why skepticism is high in this day and age.

The second aspect  of God’s Will. His perceptive or revealed will. As the name implies, this facet of God’s will means that God has chosen to reveal some of His will in the Bible. The receptive will of God is God’s declared will concerning what we should or should not do, we know God’s will that we do not steal, that we love our enemies, that we repent of our sins, and that we be holy as He is holy. This expression of God’s will is revealed both in His Word and in our conscience, through which God has written His moral law upon the hearts of all men. The laws of God, whether found in Scripture or in our hearts, are binding upon us. We are accountable when we disobey them. Just to clarify the “hearts” thing, “
5017 heart, results of renewal in

An individual, if renewed and led by the Holy Spirit, will be aware of new spiritual experiences and desires, and also of the Holy Spirit’s work of restoring character. These things provide evidence of the grace of God at work in the life of a believer.”


We have the power and ability to disobey God’s commands, we do not have the right to do so. Even though in His sovereign will God allows or permits sin to happen, we are still accountable to Him for that sin.

The third aspect of God’s will that we see in the Bible is God’s permissive or perfect will.  It describes God’s attitude and defines what is pleasing to Him. For example, while it is clear that God takes no pleasure in the death of the wicked, it is also clear that He wills or decrees their death.  In
1 Timothy 2:4 we see that God desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth,” yet we know that God’s sovereign will is that “no one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day” (John 6:44).

God has not chosen to reveal His secret, hidden, or decretive will to us. What we should seek to know is the perceptive or revealed will of God. Our responsibility is to obey the revealed will of God and not to speculate on what His hidden will for us might be.

So when the remark is made about God killing millions of people, then we have to apply the above principle. In the events where evil prosper, God has withdrawn based on people’s behavior and request. Thus the atheists state they renounce their religion and God, then surely God’s absence from the situation is the reason , and it gets replaced by the opposite of God. Only once we demonstrate God expressed Will, by helping out and sharing the “load”, we bring goodness back into the world.

Rodin’s Thinker also mentioned this “Killing people who complain?” Well we kill people that don’t complain i.e. abortions, and also people that complain i.e. euthanasia yet consider it moral…

So what do we know thus far. Evil is a lack or privation of a good thing that God made. Evil is a malicious intent to be outside the expressed will of God. His expressed Will in known to us, and can be obtained from reading his Word. For example, Love your neighbor as yourself and Love God. Goodness has existed as an attribute of God from all eternity according to the Bible, thus when god withdraws, evil replaces it. From Part I “In 1 Samuel 16:14, The Spirit of the Lord retracts and an evil one takes it place. The absence of Good is Evil…

Thus the creator of evil in a sense is a human need to be powerful, to destroy and take what he want for those not giving it freely, to reject religion and the love of God. Then God retreats, and mankind replaces God with different things. The creator of evil is not God but indeed mankind wanting to be without God…

It is distressing that natural disasters are often termed “acts of God” while no “credit” is given to God for years, decades, or even centuries of peaceful weather. God created the whole universe and the laws of nature (Genesis 1:1). Most natural disasters are a result of these laws at work. Hurricanes, typhoons, and tornados are the results of divergent weather patterns colliding. Earthquakes are the result of the earth’s plate structure shifting. A tsunami is caused by an underwater earthquake.

In Deuteronomy 11:17 and James 5:17. Numbers 16:30-34, God used natural disasters as a judgment against sin. Is every natural disaster a punishment from God? Absolutely not.

Today, we can understand why natural disasters occur. What we do not understand is why God allows them to occur. Many amazing mysteries occurred during the course of natural disasters that prevented even greater loss of life. Natural disasters cause millions of people to reevaluate their priorities in life. Hundreds of millions of dollars in aid is sent to help the people who are suffering.  Why only then?  Love is supposed to be unconditional. Everyone has the opportunity to help, minister, counsel, pray, and even lead people to saving faith in Christ! God can, and does, bring great good out of terrible tragedies. The problem of evil is that sometimes we don’t want to do things…

“In his debate with the atheist Bertrand Russell, the Jesuit and philosopher Frederick Copleston looked at Russell and asked, “Lord Russell, do you believe in good and bad?” Russell replied, “Yes.” Copleston continued, “How do you differentiate between good and bad?” Russell replied, “The same way I differentiate between blue and green or yellow and green.” Copleston then said, “Wait a minute, you differentiate between yellow and green by seeing don’t you?” Russell said, “Yes.” So Copleston challenged him by asking, “How do you differentiate between good and bad?” Russell replied, “I differentiate on those matters on the basis of my feelings, what else?”

The fact is, it becomes impossible for the individual to be the source of objective moral laws. If two people disagree on what ‘good’ is, how is the dispute settled?

Without a transcendent source for the moral law, there are four possible ways to recognize and agree on what ‘good’ is. They include frameworks that are either:
1. Utilitarian – whatever produces the greatest happiness for the greatest number of people
2. Pragmatic – whatever appears to ‘work’ where happiness (positive) or consequences (negative) are concerned
3. Subjective – whatever is right for the particular person in the particular situation
4. Emotive – whatever ‘feels’ right


http://www.gotquestions.org/problem-of-good.html#ixzz2TG68prae

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