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Why I can never be an atheist...

15 April 2013, 09:09

A couple of days ago, a blogger wrote an article on how she became an atheist, being a “christian” before. She was a youth leader according to her statement.

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/From-Religion-to-Freedom-20130410

littlelearner - April 10, 2013 at 14:18

Sharkster.... I was a christian, whether you choose to believe this or not is up to you... if it does, then it has no place in my life. I was also thrilled to learn that atheists are kind, caring and interesting people, not satanists as the church would have you believe. “

Let check how kind, later we will check out the “not satanists” theory…

SarcasticHeathen - April 10, 2013 at 12:41

"How do you respect someone who says you will burn in torment
for all eternity if you do not agree with them?
Respect is impossible at that point. You are threatening me
with violence that exceeds the limitations of any suffering
here on earth for the crime of not agreeing with your religion.
Your holy book calls me a fool (Psalm 14:1-3) and says I can
do no good. Your beliefs and your religious texts discriminate
against me. They portray me as evil and corrupt. Yet you want
me to show you respect?!
When you come to me pleading with me that I show your beliefs
respect they do not deserve and which you and your religion
fail to show me, the only response that comes to mind is a
hearty and sincere "F#CK YOU". “

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Backwards-Into-the-Religion-Debate-20130410

Did you spot the lies in this remark?

Gareth Ludeman - April 10, 2013 at 16:52

@Pinocchio You are a liar and an idiot. If you are so stupid you deny the truth when it is shown to you, you are well and truly self-deluded “

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/The-Late-Birth-of-a-Flat-Earth-For-atheists-by-an-atheist-20130410

A whole article http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/What-is-Hermann-Bohmer-20130216

And look at the reponse in this article http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/For-Charles-Evendumber-In-Response-to-What-is-Hermann-Bohmer-20130301

MemeMan - March 1, 2013 at 12:23

Shark - the biggest c ck sucker I've ever had the displeasure of bumping into. “

Brunning - March 1, 2013 at 12:31

Now why would a moron like bum's "understanding" of the bubble be of any significance? Especially if he has no understanding of contractual law. In respect of which he has professed to be an "expert"... Hehehehe

Even when my grandmother passed away this was said…

Crracker - February 20, 2013 at 13:29

Sympathy for the loss.

However we need to be realistic: She was brainwashed into believing in the particular religion you DO try to promote here, even in your tribute here. Not that she can be blamed for that. “

Crracker - February 20, 2013 at 15:04

@ Flippncool

I appreciate what you saying.

I am however convinced that he is using this opportunity to promote his religion. …
I am not saying he is making it all up - although I would not be surprised: he has made his lying and psycho bed on this forum and as far as I am concerned must take his comfort from it - but it would also not surprise me.

Looking at that article again I am convinced that it is part of his usual/habitual repertoire on this forum. He IS using the occurrence to promote his religion. “

Crracker - February 20, 2013 at 13:46

@ MerryMartin

I disagree.

And plase stop playing that horrible, self-righteous, arse-kreeping role you have adopted on this forum.

…”

Amazingly kind. After this he/she changed the screen name to JonaDawhalier Dawhalier

Now with all this name calling by the atheists, one can wonder how an ex Christian can say atheists are kind and compassionate people. Another blogger has also stated this “kind and compassionate “ thing, however still seeing herself an a Christian, and appears glad when another Christian has lost its way, and believe there are some portions in the bible that are not be  taken seriously, although Jesus Christ gave authority to those pieces…

Surely, the argument will arise that I am guilty of the “name calling” because of the usage of the  word plonker. Let’s check out the meaning…

http://onlineslangdictionary.com/meaning-definition-of/plonker

plonker: noun

Means penis, used as a derogatory term or an idiot, but also often used affectionately.; an absent-minded, or naive person. “You thought the Rolex he was selling you out of his suitcase in New York for $20 was real, because he told you it was? You plonker, Rodney!”; A person prone to making mistakes; An accident prone or stupid person; Plonk cheap or inferior wine; Noun; the act or sound of plonking

My reference to it is more to the naïve person, or the person prone to making mistakes, like for example when they read the bible referring to the contradictions, and untruths. They are prone to make mistakes on it, because taking the real meaning would quite possible proof their views or arguments as being flawed…

Let’s check out the meaning of Naive

naive

adjective

Definition of NAIVE

1 lacking in worldly wisdom or informed judgment

How is calling someone lacking in world wisdom or informed judgement an insult? How is calling someone prone to making  mistakes an insult?

As prove of the kindness and maturity of some atheists, I like to paste the following, which was part of a private message between me on and of the kindest people

Hermann Bohmer

plonker.. isnt namecalling, one meaning is a naive person... that you are...

Charles Evendumber

Naai Eve is what Adam did, according to the bible. See, childish behaviour is easy, too.

The many definitions

SarcasticHeathen - April 10, 2013 at 19:55

And what agenda would that be, Sharky? Atheism is simply the rejection of unfounded religious claims. There is no sell-by date to rational skepticism. “

In this article, and most other pro atheists articles

http://www.news24.com/MyNews24/Please-pay-attention-a-plea-to-the-faithful-20130313

The many lies or myths they create

SnowHonkey - April 10, 2013 at 13:18

sharkster - the whole point of the flat earth argument is not against theists themselves, it's an attack on a certain holy text that claims earth is flat…”

So, as you Gareth Ludeman can see, there are atheists that think the holy text, the Bible claims the earth is flat…

Ccreaker Preterism’ lies, the Eddy’s and Al de Coning wanting so desperately for Jesus not to exists etc etc. Naming all these myths would make this article twice as long…

The similarities between atheism, satanism and paganism

The following link was that of a Satanists’ webpage, and the quote piece are extracts for that.

http://www.maledicta.com/library/raven.html

“MISCONCEPTIONS ABOUT SATANISM

Satanism is clearly not understood by the public. We, as Satanists, do not feel the need to convince others of the "correctness" of our religion. I have no such compulsion

This is very similar to what atheists are sayimg, apart from saying atheism isn’t a religion. That may be true, but it sure is against religion, in other words an irreligion. What is interesting to note about these Satanists, is what they refer to themselves later in this piece.

“My purpose is to dispel lies christians constantly spread.”

Very similar to atheists like to mention, they want to expose the lies told by others, but as seen above they make some of their own…

“Satanism has nothing whatever to do with the christian devil.  "Satan" comes from ancient Hebrew and means "opposer." Opposing the ideas of the judeo-christian religion, we make an alliance with "Satan" who opposes the morals and dogma of the so-called holy church and all its followers.”

To me, this is very important. It proves the point about satanism being a type of irreligion, but still being a religion. It clear has a similar view of atheists, which most of them oppose the Christian and more so the Abrahamic religions. Atheists following this teaching with vigour. Most atheist articles and comment are about opposing religion.

“Furthermore, we are proud to call on our brothers, the names of the demons and devils, which were the Gods and Goddesses of peoples conquered by christian hordes and "converted" to christianity.”

What is this? A reference to paganism? Are Satanists old Pagans in disguise? Surely not…

“Once they conquered, the "holy church" stole the holy days of captured peoples and converted them to christian "holidays. The most obvious example is christmas. What is the xmas tree for? Why do we give presents? Who is St. Nicholas? Why is the holiday at the time of the winter solstice, when the sun begins on its journey of "rebirth," when the days become longer again? Pagan practices were woven into christianity to weld the new believer to his new home. Why is easter always the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox? The pagan origin of this date is obvious.”

What is important to know is that the Pagan church leaders combined the celebration days of Pagans and Christian in order that there can be fellowship between the parties. The Christians rejected this bowing down to pagan gods and partaking in pagan celebration and rituals like Drawing down the Moon and the Rite.

http://www.hecatescauldron.org/drawing_down_the_moon.htm

http://paganwiccan.about.com/od/magicandspellwork/f/WhatIsRitualSex.htm

For a quick check there are 365,25 days in  a year, there are many religions  and many more countries and cultures that have multiple religious holidays. Surely the chance that there will be overlapping is a given…

As raised in the previous remark, the reference to pagan celebration in this point and forming “alliance” with the Gods and Goddesses (demons and devils) of the pagans it appears that satanists are pagans in disguise. Maybe not all but some are… Pantheism comes to mind. This is sometimes refered to as Neo Paganism.

“ They label us evil. Unlike the pagans of the past, we do not fear their name calling. We proudly wear the label EVIL! After all, "Evil" is only "live" spelled backwards.”

Most atheists like doing the same to the word “god” making it “dog” and uses it in saying like dog bless you etc. This point certainly does make me think we are dealing here with a form of immaturity, or childlikeness… In my last article there was a comment about a 4 year old child being made, of course me being the 4 year old child in their eyes. Their arguments of course made me believe they are in fact maybe at that level since they like name calling so much…

“We do not sacrifice animals and we do not harm children.”

"You shall not behave thus toward the LORD your God, for every abominable act which the LORD hates they have done for their gods; for they even burn their sons and daughters in the fire to their gods. (Deuteronomy 12:31)

“and the Avvites made Nibhaz and Tartak; and the Sepharvites burned their children in the fire to Adrammelech and Anammelech the gods of Sepharvaim. (2 Kings 17:31)

I am sure these people served many gods, just like the pagans…

The fact that these people practiced child sacrifice is also confirmed in the secular writings of the Greeks.

White, A. 1987. Abortion and the Ancient Practice of Child Sacrifice, Journal of Biblical Ethics in Medicine 1 (2):27-42

After all, killing viable pre-born babies is legal in this country (it's called a choice, a.k.a. abortion). Most atheists support this practise.

“We consider the statement, "god exists," to be FALSE. Therefore, in the strictest sense, we are atheists. “

What a revelation this must be… surely, the atheists I have met on News24 explicitly stated they were not Satanists and that they would appreciated not to be called Satanists. However it seem like that Satanists would like to be referred to being atheists… most surprising.

This argument that “God exists” is false is similar to that of what most atheists promote, but we should not forget that the article was about satanists, not atheists. There was a couple of atheists I spoke with in “Crossing the Rubicon” that had this idea. That the Theistic God of the Bible couldn’t logically exist, or using the statement that there is no good reason to believe in the existence of (a) God.

“Even 'Hard' Atheists, who believe there is no god will defend the easier position without the burden of proof, simply because there is no practical difference between a non-existent god, and an un-evidenced one. This is basically abandoning the burden of proof in favor of simply trying to disprove the arguments of the theist. This is not shifting the burden of proof, unless the atheist then proclaims that his opponent's inability to prove god is proof that there is no god.”

http://www.wikihow.com/Argue-That-God-Does-Not-Exist

It is important to know that this last paragraph and link is from an atheistic webpage, thus if the atheist want to disprove the contents, they would disprove in a certain sense, atheism…

“The so-called arguments for the existence of god are travesties to reason. Every argument for the judeo-christian god is clearly FALSE due to being illogical. George S. Smith's, "Atheism, the Case Against God," provides iron-clad proof that god does not, cannot, exist. We choose life here, not in some fantasy world proposed to exist after we die. The idea of an afterlife is to us, plainly stated, stupid.”

See, there will always be arguments, some will be arguments against the existence of God. But that is what they will stay… Arguments.

We have heard of the Case of the Dover school repeatedly. The case was about ID (Intellegent Design).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District

 ID is just an argument against evolution. There the court ruled it wasn’t science.

So, arguments come a dime a dozen, but this saying to me, remains full of wisdom.

A man with experience is never at the mercy of a man with a theory or an argument.

“Christians at large consider us dangerous and twisted. Please note that we are not the ones who believe in something that we cannot see, we are not the ones willing to lay down our lives and the lives of our families for the hope of future happiness. We base our lives on reality, not on spiritual pipedreams! Everything is subject to the scrutiny of our minds and the senses of our flesh. Blind belief has no place in our lives. We feel that it is christians who are twisted and dangerous.”

stiaan.engelbrecht.1 said “ In the bible Jesus tells people to have faith like a child, He never mentions blind faith......children question everything!

Amazingly, without some assistance the flow of electricity can’t be seen, the wind can’t be seen, and magnetism can’t be seen with the naked eye. Surely, the evidence for this is able now, but a couple of hundred years it wasn’t. The lack of evidence of God is just evidence that no current knowledge or results are currently unavailable. To some God is a reality, as they experienced God. The only thing stopping us from experiencing this is ourselves.

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