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particle excellerator
08/08/2008 09:18
The balck hole isn't want they want it's the lworst case scenario. and sorry to say mate, if that happens... BOOM!! Buh-Bye... - You suck |
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no time
08/08/2008 09:19
Time travel? Impossible. - lol n00b |
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LHC
08/08/2008 09:28
I read an article on this the National Geographic a few months ago, does this mean that the LHC is now operational?
Interested to see what they come up with, explaining how the universe was formed is going to be a touchy subject! - Jonathan |
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I hope for all of our sakes...
08/08/2008 09:31
that the supposedly brilliant brains behind this endeavour are correct about there being no danger at all,because if it is it could be quite a nifty new weapon for someone like Al-Qaeda to lay their blood soaked hands on (it would only require their kidnapping of a few key scientists). - The Truth |
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It's bosOn, btw
08/08/2008 09:32
Great piece, Al. I'd just like to add that what the scientists are trying to 'save' here is the theory of atomic structure that you and I learned about at school. The one with the nucleus in the middle and the electrons going round and round it ? ie. as you so rightly pointed out, the 'Standard' model. Basically what's happening is that at a quantum (sub-atomic) level, the Standard model breaks down EXCEPT if they find the Higgs Boson. - biobot |
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ignorance
08/08/2008 09:33
Wow..this whole experiment seems rather pointless...is it going to cure AIDS,stop famine or bring about world peace.I do not disagree that I am totally naive when it comes to experiments as mentioned above but why put all this effort toward something that wont cure the worlds problems.Man I should have been a hippie rather than a white collar - Murray |
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Eh?
08/08/2008 09:33
"Not to worry, the scientists tell us, even if a black does form it will be microscopic and should quickly dissipate". Surely if it is a genuine black hole, regardless of the size, it will not dissipate, but grow and grow sucking everything in? - MJ |
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Spelling?
08/08/2008 09:44
It was called a Higgs Boson (not Bosun) when I last looked. But perhaps it's also fallen victim to the most recent name-changing frenzy. Anyway, if they fail to make a black hole at CERN, I suggest they just look a few thousand km further to the South. Here in good old SA, we already have a perfect black hole. It's called Government. - Mark R. |
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One more thing
08/08/2008 09:45
One of the great things about science is that it never claims to have all the answers. If they DON'T find the Higgs boson, then everything we thought we knew about matter could very well be wrong - at an extreme, quantum level, at least. And it's back to the drawing board. There is something reassuringly humble and scrupulous about this attitude, which exposes the hysterical attacks of the Creationists as merely the throes of a defensive arcane world view that claims to have all the answers. - biobot |
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Think....
08/08/2008 09:45
I'll buy the "Hitch hikers Guide to The Galaxy" if this damn thing goes bust! Just hope there are little green men out there willing to pick me up! - Win |
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What a way to go.
08/08/2008 09:51
At least if it goes wrong, no-one will know, what a way to go! Hope they find what they were looking for. - BigBang |
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Bloody insane
08/08/2008 09:57
I can't believe that the powers that be are allowing this to go ahead! I find this insane. Some things should not be played with... - Johann |
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Nice Article
08/08/2008 09:58
I appreciated the read. - E |
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It has a purpose
08/08/2008 10:01
I can think of a couple of politicians I would like to see close to this black hole... - Morne |
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Don't worry
08/08/2008 10:03
The end will be quick and you might end up in an alternate universe. - Steven |
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Watched an interesting doccie.on DSTV a few weeks back
08/08/2008 10:03
about the most dangerous phenomena found in the universe,and black holes were right up there.I seriously hope these guys know wtf they are playing around with,because that is power way beyond our mere mortal comprehension,even for top scientists (they can pull in light for Heaven's sake!). - The Truth |
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Great !
08/08/2008 10:04
I liked your column. It makes it more understandable for we common folk ... ;) .. But it is sill a little bit of a stress point that if it should create a black hole and it is unstoppable, we will have a problem, but luckily not for long since we'll be squeezed into tiny little dots and nothing would then matter anyway. I big problems will then be small problems .. lol - Riaan |
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Scientists
08/08/2008 10:06
"What about this black hole business? It is a possibility, though a distant one"
Couldn't they just lie to us and tells us there is no possibility that the black hole can form and destroy the world? - Concerned |
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@Murray...
08/08/2008 10:07
The spin offs of this experiment could benefit mankind in many ways. Just like experiments conducted at NASA for space explorations have helped in many aspects of our daily lives, in medicine, athletics and technology in general. The possibilities are endless as long as there are no religious zealots to stifle progress... - theDriver |
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mmmmh
08/08/2008 10:08
I have the same concern as MJ.
What is the balckhole doesn't dissipate and just grow?
My understanding is that scientists don't have much knowledge of black holes.
Create one? Here on earth?
Seems like a not so smart move from people who are supposed to be smart. - Ed |
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CERN
08/08/2008 10:08
Testing will only start on the 10th of September 2008. Accelerator is currently in a cool down phase. - Flip |
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The awesome LHC.
08/08/2008 10:09
It's not science's job to lie to make you feel better. That's religions job.
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@biobot
08/08/2008 10:09
What a load of High English pseudo-scientific gibberish! If you have a problem with God and Christianity then rather keep it to yourself.Let us assume that there was a "Big Bang" (which I as a Christian funnily enough believe there was),what or who caused it? Fate? Coincidence? Two or more atoms splitting in space? Or was it God merely snapping his fingers? Nobody really knows,do they? - The Truth |
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Actually
08/08/2008 10:15
Actually, large hadron collider is not an understatement, it's a good description of what the device is. The neutralino is a candidate constituent of dark matter, which I'm sure most people have heard of. The details are complex, but the basic description suffices. And it's a boson, not a bosun :-) - CTheB |
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Murray, MJ Johann.
08/08/2008 10:16
Murray - Acquiring knowledge for knowledge' sake is about the only worthwhile thing humans do. Sure you could take the 15bn Euro and feed a few hungry folks, but they'd just be hungry again next year anyway. (Anyway this entire affair is costing the equivalent of about 1 weeks Iraq war - there is a waste of resources.)
MJ - black holes evaporate, losing mass until they disappear; it's called Hawking radiation. The smaller they are the faster they dissipate.
- Liam |
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DOOM
08/08/2008 10:17
Anyone seen or played Doom (Movie/Game) Lately?? Can't help but get images of some particles going through hell and back to earth disformed... Have a look at the movie, it was quite good... maybe the scientists could comment on it sometime later with items that were incorrectly represented in the movie/game - Wayne |
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Unknown....
08/08/2008 10:18
What does a particle of light look like? If you chase a light particle (or is it a wave) and even if you can travel at the speed of light, you will observe the light you are chasing will still be travelling away from you at the original speed of light. So how is it possible? Probably time will slow down to zero and nobody knows how to create that experiment. Even if we can we will only observe the results we measure for. Our light particle is both wave and particle depending on how we set up the experiment. Figure that out first and once you can explain that you can save Schrodinger's cat. - Confused |
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Murray, you see that's where you're so totally wrong..
08/08/2008 10:19
With all these experiments going on at CERN, it might actually all fall into place and provide cures for AIDS, Cancer etc. It's a HUGE experiment, of which black holes are but one (crucial) part. If all goes to plan, it'll also give us better understanding of anti-matter, which in turn will help us better understand nano-technology.....as mentioned they just need to put the pieces of the puzzle together. - J.O |
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Watch your Backsides
08/08/2008 10:22
When scientists say "Dont panic", we should run for our lives. Remember The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy with Arthur Dent and Ford Prefect and Betelgeuse?. "Dont panic" are the famous last words for more scientists than we should care to remember. Don't scratch where it doesn't itch! We should be scared, we should be very scared!!! - Jimmy |
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Time Travel
08/08/2008 10:23
Going 30mph in a car in 1910 impossible??....look where we are now... - Frank |
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To all 'scientists' like biobot
08/08/2008 10:24
Let me tell you something about science. There is no proof that the earth orbits the sun or that it rotates around it's own axis. Now don't attack me, do the research. It's all based on assumptions, not observations. The key to science used to be observation, now it's all about ego's, (unproven) assumptions and government funding, who by the way only funds those that tell and show them what they want to hear and see.
Take for example the Copernicus Dilemma. Why hide a real scientific observation? - Fouche |
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@The Truth
08/08/2008 10:27
My point is that scientists don't know what caused the Big Bang. And they don't claim to. They have several hypotheses (an important word - one upon which the scientific method is based; look it up). But until they can prove one of these hypotheses by experimenting, they will continue to ask questions. Your attitude is: "No-one knows; perhaps no-one ever will; it's therefore best not to think about it." I abhor it. - biobot |
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So simple...
08/08/2008 10:30
Have we all forgotten....In the beginning God created heaven and earth..... - rosemary |
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Blackholes
08/08/2008 10:32
With limited knowledge I have about blackholes, is that they have infinite density, (greater than earth's). If that theory is true, so we 'll be eaten up by that black hole. - wandile |
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@The Truth
08/08/2008 10:36
I'm surprised the earth doesn't explode at the irony of your name and your belief system. But before i go off on an imaginary friends for grown ups rant -- good article Alistair. - meh |
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The beginning of the end!
08/08/2008 10:40
How can anyone allow this to go ahead? It says in Fillubrians 20:3 - "Those that use vast amounts of energy to accelerate small things will bring doom to the earth", I see trouble here. - Spoegs |
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biobot
08/08/2008 10:40
You seem a bit confused mate. Creationist have been getting it right since ... well ... creation. Creation is constantly being proved through science, history, geography, et al and yet everyone is duped by the lie that we now read in almost every text book: "Millions and millions of years ago ..." - It sounds like what it is - a fairytale! (Long, long time ago ...)
Science is great and should be constantly explored as described in this article as it exposes the great wonder that creation is. - QuintS |
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@biobot
08/08/2008 10:45
I have no problem with their experimenting.I do however have a problem with their doing it on this populated planet now,rather than say 100 years from now on a desolate planet like Mars,when they will hopefully be in a position to do so safely,from a distance.My initial problem was with your inference/attack that God had absolutely nothing to do with the creation of the universe ("hysterical attacks of the Creationists"),or am I wrong? - The Truth |
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That's how
08/08/2008 10:45
That is probably how other black holes in the universe started. Smartass aliens who said "don't panic, it's going to be small". And then it sucked in everything. I should get a Nobel price for that... - Joe |
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Funny
08/08/2008 10:47
Some of you okes are really funny. And I dont think you are actually trying to be! - Morne |
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@Fouche
08/08/2008 10:47
Read my post below yours. A better word than 'assumption' is hypothesis. I 'assume' that there is an invisible pink unicorn in your bum. And I am right. You cannot disprove me. But I can NOT hypothesise that there is an invisible pink unicorn in your bum. Because I cannot prove it by experiment. Do you see the difference? Our hypotheses have landed us on the moon. Our assumptions have created gods. - biobot |
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@Fouche
08/08/2008 10:51
You're right - and the Earth is actually flat with a giant waterfall at each edge.
I don't understand what your definition of proof it, but I think centuries of observation and experimentation can lead to some fairly obvious conclusions. If the earth didn't spin around its axis, then we would all float off into space. FACT.
I couldn't agree more with biobot - no-one knows how to cure aids - maybe its best not to think about it? - Richard |
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@Flip re: 10 September 2008
08/08/2008 10:51
The day the world ends? We shall have to wait and see.At least there is some comfort in that if something goes wrong we won't really have any time to feel it.Earth and everything else within a few hundred thousand kilometres of it should be history within a few seconds. - The Truth |
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@Spoegs
08/08/2008 10:52
LOL. You are killing me.
Personally though I think I prefer Fillubrians 27:4 - "I see a bad moon rising. I see trouble on the way. I see earthquakes and lightning."
Seriously though, the ignorance of some of the posters is terrifying (no names mentioned Fouche). Go out there an get an education people. - Liam |
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News coverage
08/08/2008 10:55
Can anyone tell us if this "momentous event" will be broadcast at all by SkyNews,CNN etc.,or is everything they are attempting to do there very "hush - hush"? - The Truth |
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Al-Qaeda? Ag Please!!!
08/08/2008 10:58
This thing is 27 KILOMETERS in circumference, it needs to be cooled to -271 degrees Celsius (colder than space), has been under construction since 1994, costs $9.5bil to build and probably uses more power than Jo'burg or Cape Town put together. Even if they kidnapped the scientists, how would they build it? "The Truth SUCKS" There is an article in Sci-Fi, read it! - Don't Panic |
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@Biobot
08/08/2008 10:59
You might have found the cause for my irritable bowel syndrome. I'll keep everybody posted. - Fouche |
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@biobot
08/08/2008 11:01
Just as your assumption that because you have never seen Him,there is therefore no God.I assume that you were born.You never saw it,but you do still believe that it happened,don't you? Your logic (the "invisible pink unicorn" thing) is therefore slightly flawed isn't it? - The Truth |
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Check this out
08/08/2008 11:01
http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2008/08/the_large_hadron_collider.html - BieLieHap |
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@biobot
08/08/2008 11:01
Just as your assumption that because you have never seen Him,there is therefore no God.I assume that you were born.You never saw it,but you do still believe that it happened,don't you? Your logic (the "invisible pink unicorn" thing) is therefore slightly flawed isn't it? - The Truth |
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BRING JON QWELANE BACK..ALL BORING READS
08/08/2008 11:02
All the other news 24 columnists are very boring..Pls we need intersting atricles..I say bring Mr Jon Qwelane back - Denim |
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@Liam
08/08/2008 11:02
Black holes such matter in, and then, according to "Hawking radiation" it sends it back out, which is why they will dissipate. Great. BUT, like in the article, the "Hawking radiation" is a theory, and is yet to be proved. This will prove it, or disprove it. If they disprove it, we won't be around to record the results. - MJ |
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invisible pink unicorn extractor
08/08/2008 11:09
I have a patient that is convinced a invisible pink unicorn is causing his irritable bowel syndrome. Apparently he got the idea on this site. I'm doing research on the subject and I think we are on to something... It could be the breakthrough I have been looking for. Wish me and my patient good luck. - Proctologist |
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Theories
08/08/2008 11:14
Sheez - numbers or sequences as used by all of us in the numerical system is also only based on a theory and cannot (still) be proven.
But still we all use it - even as all of you type right now.
Run to the hills! We base our lives on nothing but theory!
Damn people, the world has been coming to an end for the last 1000 years and beyond! Damn some okes are funny. - Morne |
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@ You suck
08/08/2008 11:18
If you proofread your comment you might understand why I'll be taking these scientists opinions over yours. - Some Bloke |
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@Fouche....Please remember it's "Puff Puff Pass"....
08/08/2008 11:20
Don't keep all that good stuff to yourself. I too like smoking those greens from time to time. You gotta be zonked out of your mind to believe like you do - I swear even the pope will laugh at you. and no this isn't an attack on religion (I'm also religious, just not Christian) but it's guys like you that give religion a bad name. - J.O |
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@MJ
08/08/2008 11:20
"This will prove it, or disprove it. If they disprove it, we won't be around to record the results." - yeah well, you win some, you lose some. ;-)
Just because something is a theory doesn't mean that it's completely untested and unsupported by substantial evidence. There are plenty of experiments that support the theories that predict Hawking radiation. Scientists at CERN are looking for more confirmation. This isn't some first-try, stab-in-the-dark experiment. - Liam |
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science advancement...
08/08/2008 11:22
it didnt take long for religious fundamentalists to crush yet nother scientific experiment that could be worthwhile to mankind. If it wasn't for such experiments we would still be stuck in a bronze age flat earth. Judging from the comments in here, it's amazing that some people still believe the earth is flat despite all the evidence to the contrary... - theDriver |
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@rosemary
08/08/2008 11:23
In the beginning God particles created heaven and earth. - Bob |
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@TheTruth
08/08/2008 11:28
There is a small but significant philosophical law that states that the burden of the proof lies with the one making the positive statement. "God exists" is a positive statement. therefore it is up to you to prove it. See my post to Fouche above. IF I posit that there is a pink unicorn up your bum or a teapot circling Mars, then it is up to me to prove it. I am not saying there is a God, you are. Prove it. you can't. Therefore, I reject your hypothesis as unscientific. - biobot |
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"meh"?!
08/08/2008 11:35
And you have a problem with my name? It's not just my belief system? "Imaginery friends"?! Am I missing something here? Perhaps it is time for a stronger dose of whatever medication you are on,because you are completely missing the point of the discussion here. - The Truth |
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@theDriver
08/08/2008 11:36
One thing I don't understand with this whole God/science debate, is why people couldn't agree on this:
God created the universe. How? As the science theories suggest. We cannot deny the advancement in scicence in term of exploring the universe and everthing in it and "proving" some theories. One thing science will never tell you is why it all began. That is where "us religious fundamentalists" get the full picture.
My faith in God's majesty has been made greater by seeing His work...thanks to science. - Ed |
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wow
08/08/2008 11:37
This is really exciting.Imagine if we can go back in time.We could settle a lot of debates once and for all.We could also check whether Elvis was really dead.We could hide in the tunnel to wait for the Di accident,and we could hide behind the furniture while the arms deal is concluded.Just before I return to the present,I would tell my naive younger self to buy Google shares.I'll tell a few poor people to stuff Fidentia. - kwk |
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Missed my point
08/08/2008 11:38
I can't see any mention of religion in my post. That says a lot of the agendas of the people attacking me. My point is to keep an open mind, on everything... Remember that once upon a time you could pay cash to have your sins forgiven.... And it was all BS in the end. But back then people were burned at the stake for not believing "the truth"... - Fouche |
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flat
08/08/2008 11:41
Earth is a flat disc mounted on four elephants standing on a giant turtle called A'Tuin - TF |
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@biobot
08/08/2008 11:44
My friend,I don't have to prove it to you or any of your Popular Mechanics reading,science geek buddies who have tried to have a dig at me on this site.The proof is all around us.It is the very fact that you are alive and breathing now,along with a soul within you which gives you consciousness to ask these questions in the first place. - The Truth |
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I contradict myself just to differ from everyone.
08/08/2008 11:45
And it's proven if you read all my posts. - biobot |
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@The Truth
08/08/2008 11:49
biobot is spot on. He who asserts must prove - Philosophy 101.
As I posted previously. Education dude. Education. - Liam |
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Scientific Proof
08/08/2008 11:52
There is a lot of "Science VS God" bashing going on in here. For those of you whom are interested, go read "New Scientific Evidence for the Existence of God" by Dr. Hugh Ross at http://www.cosmicfingerprints.com/audio/newevidence.htm A bit technical but it made things very clear for me. - Believer |
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JO
08/08/2008 11:52
Additional to J.O's response in which he points out "with all these experiments going on at CERN, it might actually all fall into place and provide cures for AIDS, Cancer etc": In the worst case, bad-science-fiction, scenario of a created black hole growing out of control, that should STILL solve AIDS, poverty, global warming and other problems too numerous to list. As Gomez Addams once said, "either way, what bliss!" - zackmango |
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@biobot
08/08/2008 12:00
If you say there is a teapot circling Mars,the best I can do is to be highly sceptical about it, since we don't have the means to disprove it.The difference between that and God,is that nothing will happen if I'm wrong and there is a teapot.If, however the consequence of denying the teapot was something unimaginably bad,I, as a rational person,would have considered the possibility of the teapot's existence,even if I ranked the probability very low.It's irrational to reject God outright - kwk |
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$9.5 Million to build and 27km's in diameter
08/08/2008 12:03
for a miniscule result? Hardly seems worth the effort and money considering the starving millions in the world - The Truth |
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Stop worrying.... we have other worries
08/08/2008 12:08
Everyone gets scared of things they dont understand, you have some on the brightest minds on the planet that are working on this... and shock horror this is not the first colider to be built ( just not so big) They have been experimenting on nuclear fission,nuclear weapons, biological weapons and the world had Bird flu, SARS , Aids , super bugs , climate change and even asteroids: All of which may kill this planet, stop being paranoid and sleep well - ofcorsa |
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Query for Proctologist:
08/08/2008 12:09
Would your IPUE (Invisible Pink Unicorn Extractor) work on blue invisible unicorns too, or should a practitioner first throttle the unicorn until it turns pink prior to applying the extraction device? What are the contra-indications and risks of such a procedure? Often one finds, when extracting a large foreign object (usually a head) from this area in a patient, that a vacuum is created - any suggestions? - Another proctologist |
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What will they find?
08/08/2008 12:09
I'm guessing they'll find more than they bargained for. Let's hope it's of value. - Smee |
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Honest question
08/08/2008 12:12
Why does it take an airplane the same time to fly the same distance east and west, in windless weather? Shouldn't it reach it's destination quicker if flying against earth's rotation? - fouche |
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Honest question
08/08/2008 12:12
Why does it take an airplane the same time to fly the same distance east and west, in windless weather? Shouldn't it reach it's destination quicker if flying against earth's rotation? - fouche |
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John Titor
08/08/2008 12:13
Didn't John Titor mention that we will get this done in 2008? - Jan |
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To TF
08/08/2008 12:14
That's just what I was about to say. Are we the only two rational people reading this column? - zackmango |
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i'm a believer...
08/08/2008 12:17
@fouche - gotta love terry pratchett:-) and as a general comment: i don't see what all the fuss is about. the earth will not be wiped out by this machine. but knowledge will expand vastly and that's where the focus should lie. ps. time travel is possible. just not figured out yet - where humans can do it and not die. - mad scientist |
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To the other proctologist
08/08/2008 12:18
This is not an answer to your question, but it made me wonder... What color does a smurf turn if you choke it? - Proctologist |
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@fouche - Airplane
08/08/2008 12:22
No, the thime will be the same. The plane was already traveling at the same speen at which the earth is rotating. Therefore the flight time will be the same in either direction. Otherwise you should get more Km's per Liter if your car is traveling against the rotation of the earth. - Plane |
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To Proctologist
08/08/2008 12:28
Erk - excellent question... Say, d'ya think we can get funding somewhere for a secret underground testing centre to pursue the answer? - The other proctologist |
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@Fouche
08/08/2008 12:31
Same reason a fly doesnt go splat against the back window of a moving car. - Mike |
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@kwk
08/08/2008 12:46
If by "unimaginably bad consequences" you mean my soul burning in a fiery hell for ever and ever then I shake my head in shame at the notion of a god who needs to assert his existence through fear and punishment. I can say to my kid, "Do as I say or else I will spank you." And he will do as I say. But will he be doing it for the right reasons? - biobot |
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Anything is possible...
08/08/2008 12:57
Well, this could resolve all problems... Maybe thru this a unlimited power supply is found and thru that a way to increase productivity... and destruction if you wanna be negative about it... i think its all good... - Godly yet worldly |
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Another Theory
08/08/2008 13:01
I may be blowing this way out of proportion, but it is an interesting thought. If the scientists can create a black hole and controll it, we will have enough energy for the whole world, to run on 24/7. I can just imagine the amound of energy that tiny black will give off, and there we will tackle a few of the worlds problems. Polution and global warming will surely be a thing of the past. It might be a whack idea, but might the worlds greatest idea ever. - Dizz |
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Sigh
08/08/2008 13:05
For Time travel to be even possible you need to deal with another theoretical partical called Tachyons. Which according to Maverick Scientist has a negative energy value and travels faster than light. With our current understanding of physics you can, shadow experiments proved that. But don't know if it's possible in vacuum. The rest of you people are retards, if it was not for science we would still be stuck in the DarkAges, and if it was not for the DarkAges we would be a lot more advanced - Avatar |
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@Liam
08/08/2008 13:11
I refuse to bow to your's or anyone else's supposedly superior intellect in the matter of religion vs. science.The simple fact of the matter is that there exists sufficient proof to substantiate both arguments,without the one having to go all out to trash the other's beliefs in trying to prove a point. - The Truth |
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