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The devil exists, but God is my hero
20/08/2008 09:06
Chris,you obviously haven't seen people possessed by satan before and I can understand that,because if people do believe that satan exists,they will believe that Jesus exists.and that is the first step to being saved&be set free.that is why satan won't reveal himself to people who don't believe.I believe that God is real and I have seen manifestations and supernatural workings of both the devil and of God.I hope that you won't stop seeking for the truth.I like the fact that ur open-minded. - Rizelle |
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All hope is gone
20/08/2008 09:11
Chris Ropers commentary on the Krugersdorp tragedy hits right at the heart of the problem. I am sick of idle, self centred parents blaming eberyone except themselves for the appalling behaviour of their offspring. The two worst things that ever happened to this world are child psychologists and social workers. The third worst is self appointed, self opiniated, bigoted, ignorant religious nuts who like so many parents, seek scapegoats for their own failings. Lets try listening and not blaming ... - Mike Turnbull |
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Really !!!!!!
20/08/2008 09:13
I think the kid should be tried as an adult and given a life sentance! I think the talk about "the devil made me do it" is absolute rubbish!!!!!!!!!! - Ant |
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Goodness Me
20/08/2008 09:14
I read the lyrics and I am really shocked,slit a throat and have sex in the wound, thats evil,I cant imagine that a human being can even think of this kind of lyrics!I agree with the principal, how any song can really encourage slitting throats?this music should really be banned from the music stores. - Kolobe |
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Couldn't agree with you more
20/08/2008 09:16
It is clear in this case that all that the child needed was someone to talk to cos he clearly had problems. But what were the chances of that when his parents admitted to have not been in his room for a long time. That really shows the kind of family he comes from. If the parents had paid any attention to him, they might have noticed his weird behaviuor and swords. But he made the choice to kill. No artist from Slipknot held a gun to his head and told him to kill. It is tragic but true. - Leungo |
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Satan made me do it.
20/08/2008 09:17
Hansie Cronje also said that and he listened to Steve Hoffmeyer and Kurt Darren. - Avril |
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Spot on
20/08/2008 09:19
No discipline at home or at schools, no parental guidance and too much Liberalism. In the past we all had to do what we were told or else!!! used to work. - Rosemary |
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Good point
20/08/2008 09:19
Nice article Chris, it is refreshing to see that someone agrees with me that you can't blame people's actions on what they read, watch or listen to. People kill people not movies, books or music.
If you kill someone you are already unstable enough to do that, I will bet all the money I have that watching violent movies and listening to music does not suddenly convert a person from a law abiding person to a murderous idiot.
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True
20/08/2008 09:20
A good column Chris. I agree with you. What makes these children listen to this music in the first place? Besides, it's all to easy to blame this attack on a bunch of guys who sing and vomit on stage. And also, why are all Slipknot fans not rampaging killers? It's the parents and the friends who should be looked at. - Joe |
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100%
20/08/2008 09:23
Right on - You have the situation in one - Very good article - Baldy |
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i agree
20/08/2008 09:26
I agree 100 % , its never a person fault , its the music , its the games , its violent mobvies blah blah blah .
From this attack we can see this young man obviously had some problems , but to blame on music is just plain nuts
If he listend to rap or rave music would it even be msntioned in the news at all ?
and as much as i may like my new mwtal , well slipnot is crap inmo - hellbilly |
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Twisted lyrics
20/08/2008 09:27
If you look hard enough, you will find twisted words/lyrics anywhere. Even in whichever version of the Bible you choose. - Michelle |
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why is metal alwayse given the blame
20/08/2008 09:28
Why is "metal" given the blame but never rap and R&B? I am sure many of these gangster dress up like their role models and are inspired by their lyrics. But then again why give music the blame at all? - Anon |
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At last - thank you!
20/08/2008 09:32
Thanks Chris, for speaking out about this - I totally agree with every word written here, and I'm also glad you posted some lyrics of the band in question, especially the quote from Marilyn Manson... Kids today need that more than anything. Listen to them people, and get to know them! - J Cilliers |
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Interesting Article
20/08/2008 09:33
Society today tries to hide behind easy targets to divert the attention form the real problem, society itself!! All these fancy groups & such, Anti-HevyMetal this, Anti-Violent Video Games that, are all blinded by the fact that our kids are not given an oppertunity to speak & to be heard. Kids who have problems stem from families who have problems. Parents who would rather listen to some person slam violent games than listen to their kids, as Manson so clearly & logically pointed out. - stan |
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It's easier to blame others
20/08/2008 09:33
@Chris...I thought along similar lines when I read the news reports. I was appalled at some of the statements issued by so-called community leaders. The boy could very well have a mental illness, there might be drug abuse. What about his home circumstances? Instead of looking for exotic "answers" he should be properly assessed and the appropriate action and punishment must follow. Sensationalist statements do nothing to prevent future tragedies and the real problems and solutions are ignored. - Odette |
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nice
20/08/2008 09:36
good points all round, I wrote something on the influences of mainstream culture on my blog a year or so ago. Even the powerpuff girls have major influences on our youth which are not necessarily positive. - turbo_superboss |
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Clear thinking
20/08/2008 09:36
What would they have said if the boy was a fan of curt darren or jurrie els?.well probably the same if he was a jurrie fan? - BosV |
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It is within us
20/08/2008 09:38
Spot on! What more needs to be said. We have fell so deep into the analysis of our own problems that we have be come the problem. Demented heroes like snoop dogg have bocome idols, I mean I guy with a criminal record so long, the Australians did not even want him in there country! The example we set is the example we will get. Evil is just in us, waiting to be released in fury! Then some kind of Psychiatrist or psychologist will define it as differently. - Get Real |
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Excellent Article
20/08/2008 09:39
I agree with you wholeheartedly - Craig |
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I agree with most of your article, Chris
20/08/2008 09:40
What I've said previously I'll say again. The only people to blame in this incident, is the child's parents. Parents love to blame an external influence on their kids' behaviour, but they don't seem to realise that it is their duty and responsibility to bring their children up correctly.
I am a stalwart Christian, yet I do not care what you think music/movies or games do to influence your children. You are suppose to teach your kids what is wrong and what is right. Your responsibility. - Boesman |
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Top article Chris
20/08/2008 09:40
As a famous thespian once said."from of a mans thoughts come his deeds".In the global context we have also witnessed recent gruesome behaviour with that beheading and cannibalism in Canada and one of the eastern countries,random multiple stabbings in Japan.British kids stabbing each other to death daily.Images and words do infect young minds fertile with imagination with tragic consequences. - psycobabble |
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K'Dorp Killing
20/08/2008 09:42
Chris, some kids idolise these satanistic groups, particularly kids who have behavioural problems and/or are easily influenced or misled. The councellor's comments were contextually correct to a degree. Your negative comments regarding this guy, in fact, show up YOUR lack of knowledge of troubled/damaged children. Leave the psychological profiling to those who can. Also, a very cynical piece. It's rather obvious you live in Cape Town - Andrew |
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Blamestorming
20/08/2008 09:43
That's exactly it. People are great at pointing fingers because who really likes to be blamed anyway? I listen to My Chemical Romance, which (maybe not at depressing as Slipknot) can get pretty bleak! But everyone makes their own interpretations & this kid is probably so demented anything could have set him off. You can't shield your children from everything and he chose to be that way! He must take responsibility. Devil made him do it? I wish I could blame my mistakes on a mythical creature as well. Like... god. We may as well blame Eve for eating the apple and putting us in the world and exposing us to sin... you get the picture. - Clarence |
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SLIPKNOT NOT TO BLAME
20/08/2008 09:44
I cant believe that educated people believe that music is to blame for other peoples actions. This is plain and simple, the Goverment/Education System/Parents are to blame, all three of these institutions failed to see/ignored the problems this young man had. Stand up and be counted, dont hide behind others. Disgusted!!!! - Nick |
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Blame shifting
20/08/2008 09:44
Tend to agree with you Chris, this boy was out of control for a while and no one was there to help him. People are always looking to shift the blame from themselves onto something else. Great, objective article. - Sandelk |
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Good Point!!
20/08/2008 09:45
I especially like the quote from Marilyn Manson! I enjoy his music but does that make me a potential killer?? You cant blame the music, kids turn to these things once the damage has been done and twist it (the music) in such a way so as to use it as "fuel" for the anger! - Justin |
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hope
20/08/2008 09:46
Didn't know you had it in you, but I read this piece with awe. Hope the dominees/community leaders also read it. It is my opinion that if you want to know the state of a nation, listen to its artists. I think those lyrics All Hope is Gone are incredibly poignant. (Can't vouch for the music.) - taurus |
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Spot On
20/08/2008 09:47
An absolutely sensible and balanced article with a sprinkling of fun (which we all need). Unfortunately, there will be many out there who do not agree, because blaming something or someone else is a lot less painful than admitting to being a bad parent. Society and the world in general is a horrible place, so it is paramount that WE guide and prepare our children.. - SeanO |
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Ostrich syndrome - head in the hole, ass in the air
20/08/2008 09:47
In my teen years they said Rap was to be blamed for the violence at the time. Then I aged & mellowed and people said Aids was to blamed on sexy R&B. If music is the case then singing the National Anthem must be to blame for the Springboks poor performance. - gummibear |
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Scapegoats has always been the norm
20/08/2008 09:48
I am a Satanist! proud to be one and bloody pissed off at this crap being thrown on our doorstep because one freak psychopath has found his calling in the blood of another. Satan, music or whatever did not place the sword in his hands... you all look at one aspect of influence the the obvious I mught add.OMG people go watch Halloween the - the Rob Zombie version.it's damn near close to this freaks actions. If this was from Satan then he'd addmit it being him doing it. As Satan is the very Human! - Anti-Christ |
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bah
20/08/2008 09:48
Nice read,
I listen to slipknot and when I heard them being blamed I knew it is just a cop out. Blaming something else because people can't understand that they might be to blame.
People allowing their kids to be parented by TV and Radio? Lazy. It bad to listen to slipknot they say but it is alright to play grand theft auto and watch that new movie that makes Arnolds kill rate in Total Recall small by comparison.
I am sure the zealots will be here any minute to thump you for talking crap in their eyes. Anyway, earphones on, listening to Slipknot.
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Hear Hear Chris
20/08/2008 09:51
I agree with you Chris, blaming some musician for their warped take on life is ludicrous. If now 15 or 20 kids, all listening to the same music, went on the rampage, then I'd be worried but one isolated incident is hardly a generalisation. Therefore I say this is a tragic incident which sadly happened, if there is anyone to blame, blame the school for not having the security measures to prevent this. Blame the parents, however Ted Bundy was a saint practically, so that might be harsh on them. - realist |
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Grappling.....
20/08/2008 09:52
I think there are many of us searching for answers and yet again we will fail simply becos we all wanna shout and be heard and sneek off to our comfortable homes and pretend that we have "served" a commmunity.This is a very serious situation and I think that PARENTS must take the lead.It is only thru their strength and LOVE that we will begin to find ourselves. Also, music has a huge role simply becos it adds to the ritual. Dont be too dismissive of it. - Cape Town Kid |
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Music
20/08/2008 09:56
Music is neutral, similar to a TV...on it's own it is harmless, but it can be used in both a positive and a negative way. In my youth i listened to many metal bands and it did effect my mood in a negative way, but that is because of the lyrics, not really the music. I now have many heavy christian bands with positive lyrics and it now effects me in a different way. Its still our choice what we do in life though! - mark |
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excuses
20/08/2008 10:00
It is quite the norm nowadays to blame all your faults and shortfalls on somebody else, there isn't a drug dealers, rapist or murder in the US who's father didn't rape him, mother neglected or left him or was bullied at school, and then they listens to the chanting monks and slashed, shot or blow up a few innocent people.
It's time the murders took responsibility for their actions and its time the press stopped writing moronic phycho-babble to excuse the little sh*ts. - Craig |
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Well Said Chris
20/08/2008 10:01
Well said Chris,
It is so easy to blame the music and the band when this kid obviously had major issues with himself and those around him to do such a thing.
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@Kolobe and Andrew
20/08/2008 10:02
It is evident that the 2 of you do not have children. When I take my kids to school, I make sure they are neatly dressed, hair is combed, I pack their lunches every day and I check their bags. Now my question is: What is the size of a Katana? How the hell did he get that past his parents? Wait...how did he get it onto the schoolgrounds? Surely someone saw it and should've queried. No, adults turn a blind-eye - that's the problem! - Johann |
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Well said
20/08/2008 10:03
As more facts emerge it becomes clear that there were warning signs about this kid, a history of anti-social behaviour on his part, and a history of violence at that school. In fact the school seems like a basket case with a teacher carrying a stun gun and using it on learners! Pastor Pierre is doing everybody concerned a large disservice by blaming this tragedy on "satanic" music. The school and the counsellors working at that school have a lot of explaining to do. - Big Bad Bob |
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Ag please man...
20/08/2008 10:05
Millions of kids have it far tougher than this killer. Many don't even HAVE parents to "not listen to them", yet I don't see them slicing throats open with Samurai Swords.
This liberal claptrap is bullsh*t. This guy was just EVIL, with a capital E.
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Well said
20/08/2008 10:06
As more facts emerge it becomes clear that there were warning signs about this kid, a history of anti-social behaviour on his part, and a history of violence at that school. In fact the school seems like a basket case with a teacher carrying a stun gun and using it on learners! Pastor Pierre is doing everybody concerned a large disservice by blaming this tragedy on "satanic" music. The school and the counsellors working at that school have a lot of explaining to do. - Big Bad Bob |
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Some things never change
20/08/2008 10:06
I remember kids calling me a satanist at school for having AC/DC - Fly on the wall painted on my school bag (what a joke). Some people have sick ideas. Anyway great article. - TC |
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@ Anti-Christ
20/08/2008 10:08
I hope you are not talking about Alistair Crowley or Anton Lavey, they both form part of the Unholy Trinity. I urge all of you and please you as well Chris Roper do some research into these two people and you will find some answers to questions people have asking around this killing and its link to Satanism and Music. Anton Lavey has openly admitted that Marilyn Manson is doing his thing for Satanism. If we go back in history there are many links of muder to Satanism, guys like Ramirez(the Nightcrawler), Sam(Son of Sam). So don?t knock until we have all the facts in palce.
P.S. Anton Lavey was the High Priest and Founder of the Church Of Satan as well as wrote the Satanic Bible.
questions people have asking around this killing and its link to Satanism - Speedy |
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Disconnection
20/08/2008 10:10
It hasn?t been divulged yet, but I?d like to pre-empt any blame on the economic background this kid comes from. It has been insinuated that a lot of these kids come from poorer dysfunctional families. But I know of many teens who do who do not turn to unhealthy outlets to find a connection to. Why? Because their parents, albeit lower income earners, take the time to connect-listen and respect their kids, earning respect back. Remember the Columbine shooters both came from very well to do families and lived it a very wealthy neighborhood. However they were both disconnected from their families BECAUSE of the luxuries that the money provided and allowed for separate living, just as long as they stayed out of the way - Ann |
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Good Article
20/08/2008 10:12
It's true. Another thing about the media which is pathetic is that if someone listens to metal (or bad nu-metal in this case) that is what fuelled them. But if they were a Christian then all of a sudden it's the devils work and the boy is the victim. Sadly the world is run by a bunch of ignorant, blinded and backwards society of neo-conservative Christians. There is no God, there is only you. Take responsibility - Kane |
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@Boesman
20/08/2008 10:16
"You are suppose to teach your kids what is wrong and what is right. Your responsibility." - So once a parent has done that, and the kid still do the wrong thing, who is responsible? The parents or the kid? When does it end? When the kid is 12, 15, 18, 21, 30? I know of 45 year old people that still blame their parents for the wrong choices they are making now! When do you start taking responsibility for your own actions? - MC |
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First Slipknot, then Satanism, then Apartheid, and this morning the commies claim its capitalism
20/08/2008 10:16
But the fact of the matter is that there is not necessarily anyone to blame, even the parents and the teachers. Because in any community there are some people that are unstable. It happenes all over the world. Mostly no-one sees it coming because it isn't predictable. There is no why. Sometimes they aren't poor misunderstood individuals, they are just insane because they are, no-one's fault. - Bridget |
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Right on!
20/08/2008 10:16
Right on Chris! People always need something/someone to blame. It's never them! If it's not satan it's satans music(slipknot which I happen to enjoy, although I haven't hacked anyone to death!) or mxit is blamed for childrens bad school marks or pokemon. Have these people never heard of responsibility? All these christians here are probably of the opinion that if he were listening to gospel he would not have done this! Ha! - Monty |
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Taking responsibility
20/08/2008 10:16
It has become too easy to blame other people and events for everything that goes wrong. If it isn't people who don't understand the "direct" translation (which just happens to come out as "we will kill"), it is Satan, because really, what has he done lately? I do believe it comes down to the kind of upbringing he's had. Has his parents made it clear that he can always talk to them if there is anything that bothers him; have they laid the right foundation to distinguished between good and evil? - Syllable |
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Sick society
20/08/2008 10:18
People will always look for something to blame instead of trying to search for the main reasons,after colombine,there was actually no music by manson found in any of the two boy's rooms,but yet manson was blamed for it,people who say music is blamed for this,are dillusional foolsmmusic is just music,if you are already fu***d in the head,any type of music can "make" you do something like this,great article chris. - proud to be white |
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Think twice
20/08/2008 10:18
Good article-thx Chris. I would just like to add that people should think twice when having kids. Its a huge responsibility .We are living in a rushed society with people not feeling anything for anybody, and clearly not enough for their children .The fact is people are not spending enough time with their children anymore and their is no Christianity at home or at school. We should bring Jesus back into our lives and start caring and listening for our children and one another - Nico |
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... and another thing
20/08/2008 10:19
I listen to metal; my friends listen to metal, and for the most part we are well-adjusted adults. I do believe that a lot of things that is going wrong with the youth these days is the lack of discipline. Bring back corporal punishment, I say! - Syllable |
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SNOTKOPPE
20/08/2008 10:22
The fact is that the boy was influenced by SLIPKNOT and they as musicians should be responsible enough not to proclaim the killings of people. We as parents need to stand up against the media and entertainment industry and demand that music and movies of this nature be regulated with the toughest of laws and kept out of the hands of our children - I for one will not allow my children to listen to a stupid band like SNOTKOP (sorry SLIPKNOT) - colin |
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Lyrics
20/08/2008 10:23
Just a thought, If Slipnot is horrible for Thier lyrics is JZ horrible for his? Or maybe it is in the interpretation there of? I agree with chris, we do need to look more directly at our selves. - Tim |
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@ Chris
20/08/2008 10:24
Parents are to blame, end of story. Instead of spending time with their kids, and gettin to know them, they buy them playstations and cd's and expect that to take care of them. BTW, i listen to Manson on a regular basis, with my 18month old son, and he loves it, along with other bands my hubby likes, Steve hofmyr etc. as long as it has a nice beat, we have a great time dancing along....to all the pro-christians out there blaming this kids' death on Metal, grow up, pray 4 the victims left behind. - cvz - Manson Fan |
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People just ain't no good
20/08/2008 10:24
I think we should ban Vivaldi music, because Hannibal Lecter listens to it!
And remember, Heidi is satanic because she plays with goats!
How is it possible that people like this exist? It's the 21st century, not the Middle Ages! I think what Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds sing must be the truth: "People just ain't no good." Oh, and they also sing a very good song about a man killing everyone in his local bar, in graphic detail. That must be why I killed all those people. Oh wait, I didn't... - Oom_Kosie |
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Satanism vs music
20/08/2008 10:25
Although i agree with the fact that parents should except responsibility. Please bare in mind that satanism is very real, there are countless books about it, people who used to be involved in it. and yes, certain music is evil! - Mart |
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Hypocrisy
20/08/2008 10:29
I agree with you 100% Chris, just because heavy music comes into the picture, its seen automatically as an excuse.
Why wasn't there a witchhunt on 'groetste boere treffers volume 3' in the case of the Waterkloof 4??
That music is more closely linked to satan in my opinion :) - DJR |
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Expected it...
20/08/2008 10:31
Can't say I was surprised that music took the flak for this one. I've heard some of the riduculous claims made by the overly religious about music in general. No-one seems to rememeber that whatever is current gets the blame. The Eagles were accused of being satanic in their day. People looking for excuses will find them, wherever they want to. His tastes in anything had very little influence. A weak mind can be influenced but one cannot blame the influencing source for that - Brett |
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Blame game.
20/08/2008 10:34
I am a heavy metal fan, have been since 1982 and I'm almost 40 now. I have heard all the angst, read all the violent lyrics and put up with idiotic sub-genres like emo, nu-metal and the worst of all, grunge. All these genres needs one to be angry at someone; yourself, your parents and the establishment. These are just phases, like in real life, and the relevant musos know exactly what nerve to touch so that they can sell millions. I blame the parents and teachers and irresponsible preachers. - Krants |
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Parents wake up
20/08/2008 10:35
There is an old saying written a few thousand years ago - "as a man (human being) thinks so he will be". I have personally seen children of various ages mimicking actions they saw on TV to their own disaster. I have seen people of various ages acting to what they listen to constantly - even justifying it when what they did was wrong. The term we use for computers - "garbage in garbage out" is very relevant. Parents need to wake up and look and read (the lyrics) what children look at and listen to - Wolfgang |
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I beg to differ Avatar
20/08/2008 10:37
Grand Theft Auto cannot even come near to the kind of words which "Slipknot" use in their (poorly written) lyrics "I wanna slit your throat and f... the wound"! I mean c'mon people,even if this kind is music is not Satanic,it is evil,violent,irresponsible and serves no purpose but merely brainwashing these kids and turning them even more against any kind of authority. - The Truth |
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"Nothing. I would have listened, because no one else did."
20/08/2008 10:39
That says it all in my book. Another case where everyone did "chickens without heads". Odd how the one who was blamed showed the most sense. For those who are interested, look up the interview of Manson where Columbine came up. You will be enlightened to find that the man shows way more sanity than most folks. - Michael |
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This was not an adult
20/08/2008 10:40
It is disturbing that nobody worries about what our kids listen too. Everybody says blame the parents and take responsibility but nobody on this forum seems to think this music is morally corrupt. And many others openly support Satanism over Christianity. Isn't being responsible making sure kids stay away from this drivel, and accepting that it does influence bahaviour? - aj |
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Music
20/08/2008 10:41
I listen to all music but prefer the heavier stuff and to date... have not killed anyone. If you are a psycho fruitloop you will do what you set out to do whether you listen to marilyn or celine - although i must say celine would push me over the edge too. Its nothing to do with religion or music, when the chemicals in your head are off centre and you see kitties as fair game the chances are strong that you will do something ghastly and bizarre. Once again, brilliant article Chris - Buffy |
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RE: Grappling.....
20/08/2008 10:41
Cape Town Kid and Justin have good points: Music isn't the cause of the anger that so many of us feel or have felt, but it certainly can add fuel to an already raging fire. I can tell you from personal experience that putting on a metal CD when you are already pissed off or depressed, can send you into a violent rage. While it is not the cause, it surely is a significant part of the problem. - JP Strauss |
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Best article this year
20/08/2008 10:44
I fully agree. These musicians come from the same circumstances as this kid. Circumstances created by their families, community leaders, society in general. They choose to express their frustration through music & the kid did it through actual violence. Also half agree with an earlier comment that pschycs & social workers the worst thing to happen to this world... well I believe they're the best and the worst... just like leadership... - Warren |
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Killer Cop Out
20/08/2008 10:44
This is simply another cop out by a bunch of guulty people cause they missed all the signs, and never paid enough attention to their kids. Music does not drive anyone to kill, a lot of these musicians aren't even into satanism, their music is there to sell and provoke a reaction, if you're not making parents hate it you're not selling period. As far as blame blame should lie with the boy himself and his close support unit of friends and family. Pay attention to your kids, its not all that hard. - Mabs |
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@Kolobe & Cape Town Kid
20/08/2008 10:44
Hear hear! For once I fully agree with you both,very well said.The discipline and healing of a nation starts in the family home. - The Truth |
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good one
20/08/2008 10:47
Good article Mr. Roper. I, as many teens went through "the metal phase". Black eyes, lips and everything else to boot. But I never went out killing people for kicks. You can't blame the music. Blame those who are meant to shape the young minds, and instead hinder growth and personal development. - Ex-Metal Head |
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What??
20/08/2008 10:48
I grew up in a "house of heavy metal". My peaceful little christian family and I listened to Judas Priest, Ozzie, Pink Floyd, Iron Maiden etc. Can you imagine how ludicrous this "blame it on Heavy metal" sounds to me? These are kids who dont want to conform to the teeny bopper pop fans (dont blame them much) and then go completely haywire and place themselves into just another crazy fake stereotype, that was created for them by teacher and parents. - Priest fan |
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Satan
20/08/2008 10:49
Satan always gets the blame from the religious. They always end the analysis there never figuring out the real cause for the problem. Unless we determine the real reason for this child?s problem they will not be able to help other children in this situation. - ari |
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The real reason
20/08/2008 10:49
The youth of SA is in crises. If you're white and in matric - boy or girl - you probably won't be able to get a job even if you can afford to study. If you're black and in matric you probably have a family to support and in the process of making more mouths to feed. Our country is savaged by Aids, crime, despair and hate. It's a miracle that not more killings like this are happening. At least this time Slipknot's taking the blame instead of racism... - Jenny |
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DONT BLAME THE MUSIC !!
20/08/2008 10:50
MY HEART GOES OUT TO THE DECEASED, PARENTS, SIBLINGS AND FAMILY AND FRIENDS, NOTHING WILL BRING HIM BACK AND THE PAIN WILL ALWAYS BE THERE, HOWEVER I FEEL SORRY FOR THIS YOUNGSTER AS WELL, BUT IF HIS PARENTS NOTICED HIS WITHDRAW SYMPTOMS, WHY DIDNT THEY DO SOMETHING?? I SUPPOSE THERE ARE DOZENS OF QUESTIONS REGARDING THIS STUDENT, BUT THE BOTTOM LINE IS HE IS SCARRED FOREVER, IMAGINE LIVING WITH THAT PUNISHMENT !!! - Liz |
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Scary
20/08/2008 10:51
It is so easy to lay the blame elsewhere, we were all kids once and guess what we grew up, u cannot blame ur circumstances for the person that you essentially are and want to be...
The fact is this kid killed someone and hurt others, HE DID IT!!! And truly he should face the circumstances, I truly dont feel sorry for him, but for poor Jacques who is now dead, and way before his time.
RIP Jacques - Boitumelo |
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Chris Roper
20/08/2008 10:51
Well done Chris - smack on the head - but easy on the Punk Rock music, bru! There were many truly great punk bands out there like The Clash and I do not recall any doos ever killing for them. Wankers like The Sex Pistols were gone in no time. Music will not make you kill - your parents, shit religious views and idiotic community leaders should shoulder more blame. What else was their collective influence doing while Psycho IX was growing up? - Peter |
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What in Hell does...
20/08/2008 10:52
Slipknot have to do with some Kid on a killing spree..?Nothing!!(I'm slick/I reap ya neck quick/I reap out ya Jagular & take a sip/& never get caught i'm too slick/).Thats what i was listening to at age 17 But it never influenced me to even kick a neighbors Puppy.The school & his Parents need to be blamed for different reasons not Slipknot!!And Chris!!I'm an ANCYL member & as sane as 2PAC,not you! - Les-Maada |
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Games etc
20/08/2008 10:54
And they say violent games do not impact children in a negative way? Music you hear via your ears, these violent movies & games you watch with your eyes... how can they NOT affect these kids. They are de-sensitizing us. I don't think music is solely to blame though. The global society promotes violence through movies and games, as well as bullying (did you see last night's epi of Survivour?); sexuality at younger ages etc. - silverza |
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music !!
20/08/2008 10:54
As a youngster i was told not to listen to Black Sabbath, KISS, Deep Purple etc because it was the devils music. Did I listen? NO. And today I am a hard working , law abiding citizen who hasn't killed anyone.....yet, ha, ha, ha. - The fisherman |
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@ ANT
20/08/2008 10:56
Prison is too good for killers - nothing LESS than the death penalty will do. Quickly you will see the murder rate drop - no repeat offenders of those sentenced death and excecuted!! - True Blue SA |
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i hear you chris
20/08/2008 10:58
i'm quite sick of everybody blaming metal when someone committs such acts. He claimed to be a satanist and he was on drugs.He obviously hated alot of ppl.where was his parents?? couldn't they see that he needed help?! or were they too busy working to provide him with a good enviroment to live in?! what about the kids that go to school with guns that don't even listen to metal?? why aren't their cd collection gone through and why aren't 50c blamed? - Marlon |
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Blame Game - SA Could Win A Gold Medal
20/08/2008 10:58
It is so amusing to see how many people play the blame game in SA. If it were an Olympic sport, SA would probably win Gold, Silver & Bronze. I'll bet that those who blame Satanic music for the K'dorp incident are the same type of people who blame banks for their indebtedness or blame the teacher for the children's poor performance. - Cynical |
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so what's the verdict Roper?.......
20/08/2008 11:01
......if the problem is not the American band or it's "music", is it perhaps the fact that the boy was allowed (by his parents) to listen to the perverted filth? - Paul |
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Don't blame the music
20/08/2008 11:02
I listen to Radiohead, depressing and bleak on my way to work. But I take the steps to my office with a happy spring. If I'm out for a drink, Motorhead and Lemmy's bizaarly hilarious lyrics often keep me company. I thrash my head to Motorhead's music but the car's speedo stays at 60 and I'm home by 8 and asleep by 9. My trip to my weekly quiz competition, of which my team is a regular winner, is done to AC/DC's Highway to Hell or Back in Black. But neither Satan nor Jesus has kidnapped me... - Bern |
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Partial blame
20/08/2008 11:03
One does what one thinks, and you are more likely to think of harming others if you listen to music that describes such harm for hours per day. If a movie portrayed what is described in the lyrics, it would be banned or at least given a stiff age restriction. Lyrics must be screened and the music banned or restricted as appropriate, just as with movies. To say that the music played a role does not, of course, rule out other circumstances that also contributed to the event. - Timato |
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What about this...
20/08/2008 11:03
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)
IS THIS EVIL? No. Because obviously every Christian will retort that the New Testament has changed all that.
So don't quote Lyrics out of context, it's equally ridiculous. And stop blaming Satan. People are stupid, accept it. - Jack the Ripper |
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