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No jacket? No problem
18/07/2008 09:43  - (SA)  

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    After I wrote my column on online dating, I received a number of replies from men who mentioned that many women they had dated wanted (expected?) sex on the first date and that the majority of these women preferred to have sex without a condom.

    This came as a revelation to me as I would have expected the women to (a) be more reserved about immediate sex and (b) to insist on protection when having sex with a stranger.

    The no condom business startled me more than the sex on first date business; perhaps a part of me expected that in today's fast paced world, sex would become a commodity to be used and exchanged as soon as possible to establish some kind of control over a situation. But with the glaring, relentless exposure we have had to the Aids pandemic, I was amazed that anyone would consider not using a condom.

    I then began to wonder whether it might be a white person's perception that Aids is still a gay disease, or that it affects black people more than those of other races, because I could not find a reasonable explanation looking at the situation from any other angle.

    Unless these women got hopelessly smashed on the first date, to the extent we are no doubt all familiar with, where what was imperative before now becomes an option that can easily take the back seat, I can't see how they could wave away the condom. I mean that's sexual Russian Roulette. (This scenario would mean that the places these people meet are packed to the gills with drunken women staggering all over the show, doesn't seem likely).

    Then I questioned whether the vast majority of people are on a self-destructive binge and simply do not care whether they die of Aids, or whether the whole which-chamber-is-the-bullet-in thing might add a rush of sexual excitement.

    Careful

    I contemplated how careful most women seem to be when meeting internet friends for the first time, letting their siblings or best friends know where they are going and with whom, when they'll be back and other pertinent details of that nature; in case they meet another Bundy or some kind of lunatic that wants to eat them for supper. We are all familiar with the rules for Meeting Your Internet Crush for the First Time, I think.

    And I figured that this particular care for their physical person simply does not gel with their careless abandon when it comes to contracting Aids. Condoms are cheap, in fact they are free if you are really pressed for money.

    They make no material difference to the sensations of sex on the part of the woman, the men do not appear to be pressing for them not to be used, so why oh why are the women?

    I'll be happy to receive some answers from my readers, if you have been in such a situation or if you can shed any light onto this dangerous phenomenon, then please place your X in my box (anonymity guaranteed, this is the internet).

    Send your comments to Colleen.

    Disclaimer: News24 encourages freedom of speech and the expression of diverse views. The views of columnists published on News24 are therefore their own and do not necessarily represent the views of News24. News24 editors reserve the right to edit or delete any and all comments received.

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      I am far to self concious to...
    18/07/2008 10:03
    put out on first dates (or 2nd or even 3rd). "hooking up" with someone on the net strikes me as a revolting idea, you have no clue what that person has been up to (or into) in their life, and THEN to sleep with them on the first date with out a condom is just stupid. Hell I am into extreme sports, but even jumping off a bridge with a bit of elastic tied to your ankle gives you better odds of survival... - Sarah
     
      As a man...
    18/07/2008 10:03
    if a woman is prepared to sleep with me after only knowing me a short time, AND without protection, I would run a mile. Like the author mentioned, it's sexual Russian Roulette. I have a steady girlfriend of 4 years. She is the only one I sleep with, without protection. We are faithful to each other so there are no worries. The thought of unprotected sex with a stranger makes my skin crawl. - TruthBeTold
     
      Too many loose woman!!
    18/07/2008 10:14
    Unfortunately Colleen, nowadays we have too many loose woman in the streets that would do anything to control a man, women would deliberately fall pregnant just so that they can have a case to pin down a man, sexual predators with the instinct to kill the unsuspecting opposite sex victim - Kolobe
     
      No Jacket - no problem
    18/07/2008 10:18
    I must say that I am equally shocked but unfortunately not surprised. Besides the "modern" risk of AIDS/HIV there are still the standard old STD's lurking around, has everyone forgotten about those? The high number of teenage pregnancies I have seen lately are my personal worst. I know I should not judge but I know that all of these girls as well as the boys responsible have been extensivly educated on the subject of safe sex. - Jessie ten Velde
     
      ja no dissapointing
    18/07/2008 10:18
    i've had to turn down sex on the first date so many times. I mean really what kind of low lifes have sex on the first date pathetic i say and to have sex without a condom on the first date well all i can say is those people deserve to get aids or whatever other diseases are going around now days. Woman are absolute slappers, whores that want sex on the first date. Women like this and men must be eliminated from society. - MR T
     
      Sex & Condom
    18/07/2008 10:22
    This world is made of 'fools', white, black, yellowa and any colour you may imagine.Pretence and ignorance is the problem with many people.Even if you use a hammer of many pound in weight, you will never drive out idiocy, you may in fact hammer it in harder and even harder...poor earth ! - Tavengwa
     
      Kolobe
    18/07/2008 10:40
    I agree with you but also there are also men out there whom are the same. One shouldn't see it from one side. But I'm single and I would never go on a date and want to sleep with her the first time, no thanks, maybe after about the 6th or 7th then I know its serious and hoping it to develop further...Unless of course she's Sandra Bullock:-) - Win
     
      Just ignorance and denial
    18/07/2008 10:44
    Probably the only explanation is that AIDS is still thought of as either a gay or black disease. Have no problem with women wanting to have sex on the first date, it's an individual choice and their perogative. In the age of sexual liberation, shouldn't women be able to have sex whenever they want without social stigma? Don't really think it's fair to be calling them slapper or whores. Not using protection though, is a very, very stupid mistake. - Kay
     
      NO GLOVE NO LOVE
    18/07/2008 10:46
    Simple! If you are a man or a woman and you expect sex on the first date, you are a slut - and if you expect sex on the first date without a glove, you are physco and need to see a shrink. You have to be mentally challenged to believe that is acceptable. If you are trying to commit suicide, why not just use a gun and save the rest of mankind from your infestation! - johnson
     
      suicidal!!!!
    18/07/2008 11:04
    It is a sad reality to say the least, that someone can knowingly put their life at risk for a temporary pleasure, who in their right mind would do such a thing knowing that a short thrill can kill? And yes meeting some one on the web is scary but to take it a step further and have sex on the first date is suicidal, to have it unprotected is terrorism and mass destruction, you might as well put a gun to you head and pull the trigger!!! - Owens
     
      Some response completely out of order!!!
    18/07/2008 11:05
    Kolobe & Mr T your responses are just awful. Not all women are "loose""sexual predators""slappers" or "whores"!!! I regret to inform you that there are men involved in the "sleeping around" issue which currently plagues our society. Kolobe, eat your own words and do some damn research!! - Sarah
     
      PROUD married woman/mom
    18/07/2008 11:13
    Married for 7 years and knowing each other since primary school. I don?t even know how it feels to kiss a man. But having sex without a condom with a total stranger my skin crawl. Maybe they need the money because the government supports people living with HIV every month. - Candice
     
      No Jacket - pass it on
    18/07/2008 11:19
    There is the possibility that they may be aware that they are HIV +ve and would like to spread it to unsuspecting men as revenge for having had it passed onto them by another man. - Chris
     
      Damn
    18/07/2008 11:29
    I dont see any problem with sex on the first date, thats a very personal choice and we are not expected to be judging on this one! but come on people, first-date-sex without protection, this is ridiculous, we are a dying nation!! - odirilwe
     
      @CANDICE
    18/07/2008 11:31
    Are you saying in your 7 years of marriage you have never kissed a man? Can you perhaps elaborate on that please. - Owens
     
      Either way
    18/07/2008 11:32
    The issue here is not about being a man or a woman neither not about whether to have sex on a first date or not- PROTECTION. Both parties should be held responsible! Lide - Lide
     
      Awesome
    18/07/2008 11:33
    I like these girls - James
     
      No jacket
    18/07/2008 11:52
    yes its true some of my friends don't use condoms,pls sistas wake up this is the real world i've got 7 bags ea n evry bag has condoms they're free n cheap, men also don't use condoms when they r drunk i know,that is why i carry my friendly jackets with me wherever i go,use cndms AIDS KILLS - x
     
      The men in question
    18/07/2008 12:03
    should stop and think for a moment. Why would this woman be so eager to have sex without a condom? Maybe she does not worry about contracting STD's, because she has ten already? Aids is out there... - Career Dater
     
      Plain stupidity
    18/07/2008 12:06
    As a 25 year-old , I believe my parents would be shocked to even read an article like this. It is sad to see what values our culture has eluded too. To play with your life for momentarily pleasure is a sad reality. The thought of living and dealing with HIV is a sad truth , maybe these reckless people should see what HIV is really about,the aftermath of it and they will second-guess there premature decisions. - Amber
     
      sexs
    18/07/2008 12:07
    people make sexs dirty.what do you do if you are a woman and you fall pregnate and you tell your partner about it and he runs away. or he tells you it is not his. - marian van der walt
     
      Ya no
    18/07/2008 12:15
    this is life in JHB. Any players who play the northern suburbs know just how loose the young women are. It's very scary these days. my one buddy works all the locals and he's so surprised by how loose women have become. really scary. morally the world is declining. sin seems to be running it's full course ... - White_African
     
      @Sarah
    18/07/2008 12:18
    Why does meeting someone on the net strike you as revolting? Is it that different from meeting a total stranger face to face in terms of what you know about that person? I think you make some huge assumptions and generalisations here. I met my husband on the net, we didn't have sex until we decided to get married. Not everybody who meets people on the internet wants only one thing. The trick is to be intelligent and selective... - Maraai
     
      HuH...??? WTF???
    18/07/2008 12:19
    alrighty people. Some of you are seeing this in the complete wrong light. First of all having sex on the first date does not make you a slut. It means you have found a sense of deeper connection to that person and have gotten over last minute resistance. I personnally think its wonderful, however the condom situation is rediculous!! The topic is about practicing safe sex not whether you are a slut? Besides whats wrong with being a safe sex slut??? atleast your getting some and enjoying life. - The Man
     
      be responsible
    18/07/2008 12:23
    ..No wonder we have high rate of HIV and STD's. Sex on 1st,2nd date happens these days and if that makes you say women r loose then we could say that about a lot of men too. Having it without protection is irresponsible doesnt matter when! - Sweetchicks
     
      Still use the glove
    18/07/2008 12:25
    I have been married for 6 years now & still use a condom. The simple reason being that I dont want any more kids - I have 2 already. I should go for "the snip", but Im still gathering up more bravery for that! Anyway, not using a condom, especially if you dont know the person's sexual history is just plain stupid & careless!! - Werner
     
      Surprised
    18/07/2008 12:26
    I'm surprised that you are surprised. But that's the way it goes. Women are as much on the "prowl" these days as the men. - Robert
     
      No Jacket required
    18/07/2008 12:27
    Colleen - think you've had your chain pulled. - budboy
     
      No condom
    18/07/2008 12:28
    Good to hear we are in the Russian roulette era. Good for you who dare. We are overpopulated, so, go ahead! ps. Do us a favour, never complain when it stuck with force, to suffer is most certainly not lekker! - Krulkop
     
      Colleen
    18/07/2008 12:30
    Never underestimate how many idiots there really are out there. It is natural to assume most people possess a modicum of common sense but that is sadly a fallacy. - AJ
     
      Crazy
    18/07/2008 12:32
    I laugh at people who use condoms for a month with a new partner, then when they are 'happy' / 'settled' they switch to no protection, neither actually having been tested. As if magically protected because they now date. So what was the point then - morons! - AJ
     
      Crazy
    18/07/2008 12:33
    I laugh at people who use condoms for a month with a new partner, then when they are 'happy' / 'settled' they switch to no protection, neither actually having been tested. As if magically protected because they now date. So what was the point then - morons! - AJ
     
      Go to a "Lady of the Night"
    18/07/2008 12:34
    Some men are only looking for SEX out of the first date. They would be safer to go to a LADY OF THE NIGHT! - ~Brad~
     
      hey sarah baby
    18/07/2008 12:34
    why is that? have you ever had your cherry popped on the first night baby? - Mr T
     
      THIS ARTICLE IS CORRECT
    18/07/2008 12:48
    ive had a couple of my friends offered sex without a condom a couple ot times...obviously refused. But girls do offer this option on a first date. I've had sex on a 1st date a twice but gladly with a condom. so yes, sex on a 1st date happens often. - Dott
     
      Sex me
    18/07/2008 12:51
    The first date sex is not a problem as long as protection is used. However, most of the condomless sex happens after having one too many drinks unless your first date is Tyra Banks, Meagan Goode or Jennifer Love Hewitt then the condom might be forgotten. AIDS is real - Fresh
     
      No glove no love?
    18/07/2008 12:51
    I've read through the posts on here and all I can say is that there are way too many people on here who pretend to be so righteous.. Liar liar pants on fire! If you get it on a platter you'll grab it with both hands! - Sevendust
     
      Just being plain stupid
    18/07/2008 12:53
    To have unprotected sex these days are just plain stupid! What is worse is the amount of schoolkids hooking up at Shopping Malls and have unprotected sex with several different partners. And we are talking about 13 and 14 year olds of all spectrums of society. But isn't that what we get from movies and tv? How many programs/movies do they ever use condoms and/or ever get HIV after unprotected sex with several partners. Or maybe the mindset is that it will happen to someone else and not me? - KJ
     
      Can we all get real
    18/07/2008 12:56
    Nothing beats the warm moist inside of a turned on women. And furthermore who can deny the sense of fulfilment of that final gush. In addition boy meets girl, lets say they condomise, fall in love.... I can gurantee you six months later.... Those condoms are in the cupboard. - Rude Dog
     
      Viva Condom!!!
    18/07/2008 13:01
    It is really stupid for people not to use condoms as if they don't know that aids kills - Okay you can have sex on your first date but it must be safe sex. someone says maybe they need money - that's non sense what do you need money for if you gonna die. Come on lovely South Africans the future is in our hands, Pls Pls Pls let's not destroy it. Madiba and others suffered for us to be where we are today - Zet
     
      to rude dog and james
    18/07/2008 13:09
    AIDS is not a joke, ever seen someone suffering from the disease? i doubt, make some time and visit the government institutions looking after these patients. - Gift
     
      @Owens
    18/07/2008 13:18
    My mistake: never kissed a other man beside my husband ? and never even image doing it, - Candice
     
      Loose
    18/07/2008 13:26
    For those of you referring to woman as "loose"...YOU ARE SEXIST PIGS! I'm a gay man & cringe when I hear of & see married straight men screwing around behind their partners back, talking in the most foul language about the female body & who will have sex with anything that moves & if it doesn't move...they'll kick it until it does! So don't you DARE generalise & call most woman "loose"! IDIOTS! Another GREAT article Colleen! :) - Paul
     
      Impersonal
    18/07/2008 13:30
    Althouth sex on the first date and without a condom is a shocker. It is possible that woman don't enjoy sex with a condom because it feels different. (It does) For both parties. Not to mention the aweful smell of latex and lubricant. Having said that, if I was single to mingle, I'd insist! - Landa
     
      No jacket? No problem -Response
    18/07/2008 13:34
    I mean who doesn't use condoms these days , that's bieng irresponsible and stupid maybe both actually. AIDS is not a joke , it's there and affects everyone , it's either u r infected or affected by it so there is no one who can say they dont see the impact it has nowadays and besides STI's , I am shoched. - I can Not Blv
     
      Misperceptions....
    18/07/2008 13:35
    ....typical of South African journalists who always try and sneak something into their articles which portrays them as 'holier (or less racist) than thou'. Why doesn't she mention the certain 'misconceptions', for want of a better word, amongst certain communities about how AIDS can be cured ie fiddling around with someone not even old enough to talk, let alone say 'Would you like that with or without a condom?' As recommednded by the WCPCSA (Witch-Craft Professionals Council of South Africa) - Bob
     
      Meraai, & Mr T
    18/07/2008 13:40
    Meraai, read my post - I did not knock anybody for internet dating, I just said that it was not for me. Mr T, I pity the woman you lure to your seedy little lair, just glad it won't be me. - Sarah
     
      Sex with a stranger
    18/07/2008 13:41
    I've had unprotected sex with women I've just met a few times. I am embarressed to admit that I even had condoms readily at hand. I guess the reason I did it is because I was doing it with friends of my lady friends who "needed to get laid" It worked for me, get a phone call, go over to a friends house, head to the guest room, sort her out - go home, no questions asked, no strings attached. Sometimes I'd get "repeat business" with the same woman more than once. Never again though. - Never again
     
      Trust
    18/07/2008 13:44
    Sex without protection is ignorant. Make a date of when you get to that point in the relashionship of we are exclusive to go together and get tested together. It is a matter of trust, and yes, trust me when I tell you I'm clean, but respect me enough to go for the tests anyway. If it's true, neither have anything to loose. NO GLOVE, NO LOVE. LOVE LIFE!!!! - chillepeppa
     
      Fortune Cookie Say:
    18/07/2008 13:44
    Many eartling females are simpletons in womans' body. - Alien Sex Fiend
     
      The solution
    18/07/2008 13:51
    Is to have a shower right after sex to eliminate the possibility of contracting HIV. If that is good enough for the duputy president then it is good enough for the rest of the population. On a similar note don't forget to eat your beetroot and garlic sandwiches to stay in the health ministers good books. - veritas
     
      Doh
    18/07/2008 14:28
    lol @ veritas Thing is, never mind moralising about sex on the first date, how about thinking about what it might mean if the person is willing to do the do without a condom on the first date - i.e. they've probably done it before. Many, many times. The people most likely to take stupid risks are also those most likely to be infected. Reason enough to stay well away. - flim
     
      Dangerous
    18/07/2008 14:30
    It is totally irresponsible to have sex on the first date and more without a condom is suicidal.i am not taking any side but ladies of today are loose canons. - amos
     
      no condom no sex, that it!
    18/07/2008 14:32
    first date sex is not a new phenomenon,especially if you meet in a club, the people "dating" are the ones that go on date, in the club, everyone is looking for a rush, but does that mean you forget the condom? NO! I have been in a situation we were both willing but there was no condoms, and that was that, no sex period. The message is simple, unless you have a test, it doesnt matter how many months, years you know each other, condomise. simple i think. - x
     
      Mr T, Kolobeeee ...
    18/07/2008 15:00
    Mr T - no doubt you're just looking for a rise (pun INTENDED) ... but you really are a bit of a twat!

    Kolobe, welcome back bro! So nice to have you set the Idiot Baseline in any given discussion (though admittedly, Mr T has kinda outdone you!).

    That's right. Blame the wimmen ... Men are here to be served (NAH! but Mr T & Kolobe seem to feel thus). - Cynicus
     
      @kolobe
    18/07/2008 15:10
    I dont think that a woman will be looking at getting pregnant if she's on a first date with a stranger... - Pensive
     
      @white african
    18/07/2008 15:24
    Doesnt that make your friend loose too??? women are just catching up with what men have been doing for ages... so now instead of just having loose men "sowing their oats" we also have loose women having flings - Pensive
     
         
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