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There you go girl....Brilliant 08/05/2008 10:51
I have always flocked your ignorance in the past..brilliant piece of writting and an excellent article..Looking forward to see you in Soweto..Give me a shout out when you are there so that I can organise Mopani worms, Mala Mogodi(tribe) for you...Now a toast to a well written article... - Kolobe |
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Super 08/05/2008 11:04
Good on you! Something I would just love to do a bus tour to Soweto. Visit a typical shabeen.Also maybe stop at a eatery and have a bite to eat, Mopani worms Kolobe? I dont know if I am that brave. Great article! - Carol |
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With Butter... 08/05/2008 11:13
Mopani worms with butter with a slight dash of garlic....Now thats nosh! I've been in Tembisa plenty times from the early hours of the morning to leaving around 10:30 at night and driving home. People should also, despite the hardships of crime, realise that people live there. They work with us day in and day out, just like Mr Kolobe and I do. And yes Kolobe, I'm white! - Win |
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eliminating risk. 08/05/2008 11:19
Being safe in SA is all about eliminating risk, as a white boy travelling alone in Soweto I think I'd just be looking for trouble - call me pessimistic. But I really don't want to be a statistic on the seventh page on some obscure newspaper that no-one reads. - Nick |
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Nick 08/05/2008 11:26
Typical swaart gevaar he nick??it is funny nick that all the tourists including 50 cents, Mike tyson go to soweto for a visit..but a south african that always debate issues with blacks(myself of course) finds my people dangerous..thats very nice coming from you nick...anyway its is your choice..it is a fact that none of the tourist were murdered in soweto but more than fifty on the table mountain in cape town..points to think about...Visit tourism south africa's website for your shock... - Kolobe |
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But what is there to really do? 08/05/2008 11:30
I've been to Alex recently, but I haven't been to Soweto for several years. I think is is morphing into just a typical mostly working call living space, but its terribly PC to wax lyrical about it as a tourist experience. Wow go to an informal market, wow, eat a few worms. Its not exactly pretty, the landscape is profoundly uninspiring, and its a bit of a drive from typical middle-class haunts, along roads that are renowned as highjack hotspots. So far from applauding you,..... - Kevin |
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Soweto 08/05/2008 11:35
@Nick soweto has become a diverse place,there are a lot of white people who live and work there,sowetans are revamping their township to become like other suburbs,so no need to worry. I suggest u ask one of yr black friends to take u for a trip.U will enjoy it. Great article! - Motho |
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Kevin 08/05/2008 11:42
Soweto has a five star hotel, Nelson Mandela museum,Desmond tutu museum,hector peterson memorial museum, freedom square...And if you want a night in the Ghetto my friend there is no better place like Soweto..call me for a trip around soweto then you will realise what you have been missing... - Kolobe |
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@Nick 08/05/2008 11:48
You're not an angel! stay in Brakpan its good for you.Who cares?There are many white people who visit Soweto and it's a beautiful place to socialise,Please throw away that nasty attitude!! - Mrabaraba |
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We are blind and deaf. 08/05/2008 11:49
Its pity that people from far fetched places will pay thousands of rands to tour SA yet South African born and bred dont know their backyards and surroundings. I'm from Limpopo and now reside in JHB. I have been asked by a South African as to how many border posts do I cross when I go to Limpopo. Lets expolure our beautiful land. - Nkhesani Maluleke |
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Kolobe 08/05/2008 11:53
I have no doubt that Mike Tyson and 50 cents had many people with them. Don't sit there and tell me that If I got on a taxi on my own and cruised into Soweto "just to have a look around" I'd not be exposing myself to any danger, coz I'd say you're living in a dream world. Crime is huge issue. I appreciate it's cosmopolitan and there's lots happening, but what's the huge tourist attraction? Apart from the PC aspect and the fact that "I'm white so I should feel guilty about breathing" - Nick |
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I fail to understand the obsession 08/05/2008 11:55
I really fail to understand why tourists are so obsessed with visiting Soweto and other black townships around the country. A couple of seasons ago, the Amazing Race took the contestants straight to Khyalitsha/Gugulethu. During another season, they went straight to Soweto and then on to Lesedi village near Hartbeespoort Dam! I mean WTF?? Are we so PC or is it plain liberal white guilt? - Sizwe |
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Soweto shopping mall 08/05/2008 11:56
You can also visit the beautiful shopping mall
there.I think Soweto is alive with possibility!
Lovely article. - Mary |
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Nick 08/05/2008 12:02
Drop me your email and I will cruise with you to soweto...I will lecture you with south african history.. - Kolobe |
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with company u will be safe 08/05/2008 12:02
take a bus or a drive with friends which are from soweto is safe.but a drive alone wonder around soweto you are looking trouble even if you are black - vladimar |
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@Mrabaraba 08/05/2008 12:06
You assume I live in Brakpan? Talk about stereotypical. I have no nasty attitude, the nasty attitude was from the 4 youths who stuck the 38 in my face going into Bara and took my watch, cellphone and cash, I've been there pal - many times. Don't assume. Think. - Nick |
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Kolobe 08/05/2008 12:09
Please include me as well! - carol |
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Soweto... 08/05/2008 12:18
I also have a hard time convincing people that we have some of the most incredible tourist highlights in the world...and I'm not talking about Kruger. I believe every south african should go to the Apartheid museum (how many even know where it is?), to Robben Island and to Soweto. If you take a reputable tour, it's perfectly safe, informative, it keeps the economy going, and it was an amazing experience for me as a South African. - Dee |
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Visit Soweto Nick 08/05/2008 12:19
Im not exactly black and I don't have any qualms visiting my friends in Soweto...and the mall is a nice shopping experience. Nothing has ever happened to me driving around Soweto alone, like you so fear. Im just saying..... - Observer |
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Nick dont act like a prick 08/05/2008 12:29
Do you not think that Joburg Africans also feel threatened by going to places like Wolmeraanstad etc but we do , WHy cause it's our f***n country bot black and white . Are you afraid to walk around your neighbourhood as well Nick cause you feel you might get robbed , think twice brother . You can get raped and killed in your own bed. - Sicelo |
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i enjoy the chesa nama now and again 08/05/2008 12:38
I grew up in Mmabatho in the then Bophuthatswana. I never thought Id set foot in Soweto because of what we read and saw on tv - taxi violence,etc. I've been living in Joburg since 2001 and I go to Soweto all the time (in my VW golf) to vist friends, for chesa nama, iv bin on a "soweto tour" organised by a Sowetan friend. I wont drive there at night thou so I make sure I leave before sunset. - charlz |
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Soweto... 08/05/2008 12:39
What is it that tourist can enjoy in big cities because they have that in their own contries..why would you want to come to africa and leave without understanding how africans live...Our culture,Food,Life styles can only be found in townships...not the so-called civilised surburbian life that many of us have...True African life is in the townships and then visit Kruger for wildlife expierience...then and only then can you say you have visited Mzantsi... - Kolobe |
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Reply to Sizwe 08/05/2008 12:40
Funny enough Sizwe ive asked myself that question y do tourists come to Soweto and take pictures of us darkies walking around as if we are caged animals.Someone said to me when you go to London , new york do you not take pictures of they neighbourhoods. - Sicelo |
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Tour guide Kolobe 08/05/2008 12:44
Hey Kolobe, maybe you can organise a tour and guide a few of us whiteys. - SB |
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Kolobe, can I join your growing group 08/05/2008 12:49
When I get there sometime! I live in the Eastern Cape and have been into local African suburbs on my own and with friends including some of the areas which I have been warned not to go into and into homes of wonderful hospitable people despite the little they have. It didn't take a tourist to make me break out of my little cocoon and I am an almost 60something woman who went in her own car. You just have to be sensible and that applies all over the world. Live a little. My 24yr old son has been 2 - GailC |
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Toursim Business.... 08/05/2008 12:49
Tourism in South Africa is quite bizarre..I hear in Durban..one of the tourism attraction is Zulu Polygamists that married Eight wives..and all the tourists look forward to visiting his home for interviewing his wives..I guess I should try out a racial intergrated polygamous marriage and make money out of it..I already have a black wife..If I can marry a white,Indian,coloured,chinese,brazilian wives then all the toursist will visit my house in Soweto..Money.. - Kolobe |
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SB 08/05/2008 12:53
Thats a great idea..How many of you guys are really interested?? - Kolobe |
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Visiting African suburbs 08/05/2008 12:54
Be cautious as to where you go and ask advice of those who live there. Take a jikeleza even. My son who is 33 actually slept over in the so called no-go areas way back in the early 90's with our permission. People are people and if your time is up it could happen in your own home as easily as the townships. In fact more likely to happen in your home than the townshp. - GailC |
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Get over it.... 08/05/2008 12:58
Let's be honest here, Soweto is a POLITICAL/HISTORICAL attraction, not a TOURIST attraction in the strict sense of the term.
Wandi's Place is massively over-rated, particularly the food. If it wasn't in Soweto, NO-ONE would go there (the fact that the locals don't eat there shows something...).
The Holiday Inn in Soweto Kolobe refers to has 4 stars, not 5.
And finally, objectively, Nic's security fears are justified. The question whether he's any safer in the Northern suburbs is moot. - Zee |
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Soweto Bus 08/05/2008 13:05
I have no fear of visiting any black township,provided my local black friends are with me.No problem.I notice the tv shows focus on black townships,also the foreign diplomats & dignitaries are invited by the ANC to black townships,BUT never to coloured townships.Never.
Why ? - GBOB |
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Maybe 08/05/2008 13:05
its a "white fear", but I'm too scared to visit any township. - Werner |
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Touring Soweto 08/05/2008 13:07
Hey Sizwe. Remeber most of these tourists don't have townships where a certain race of people live was designated to live. To them it's something they have never seen before, only heard or read about from the media, so hence the attraction. Why would they only want to see the cities or towns which look like where they come from if they are here to tour and explore. - The Watcher |
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I don't get it either?? 08/05/2008 13:14
Why do tourists want to come and see how our poor black people live? The things they are shown are not real anyway, its been adpated to show whatever it it is they want to show to the tourists. They aren't seeing the real people. I have spent time with rural blacks who still live life the old way. The old people are the kindest, gentlest people you could meet and their beliefs and culture is rich and interesting. The urban black man has become westernised to a degree and with that - boring. - Karen |
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Gbob 08/05/2008 13:27
yeah why not arla park ,dawn park,rege park,gelesdull,daggafotien but watch out might get stabed eish eldo's - angelo |
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Townships 08/05/2008 13:29
Have not visited Soweto but have been in many townships on the south coast. I volunteered for the work to help upcoming black businesses. I was first a bit reluctant but was surprised with how friendly the people were. Obviously the word was spread what I was doing and people went out of their way to make things comfortable and pleasant. Thanks you. The only bad thing I did not like was the condition of the poor dogs?. - EB |
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