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Judge not, lest ye be judged
24/07/2008 12:23  - (SA)  

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Georgina Guedes

My friends are a particularly opinionated bunch of people. We're generally OK on our own, or in couples, but I suspect that there are some homes in Johannesburg (and London) that a few of us have been invited to from which invitations will be slower to come the second time.

In fact, some of my friends are so enthusiastic about a good debate that they've been known, when everyone in a room is in agreement, to harangue their supporters just for the sake of a good argument. It's considered ill form to point out that everyone's on the same page and the argument is pointless.

Having strong opinions is a quality I've always admired. Wishy-washy people who don't know much or think much about anything tend to annoy me. I think that it's important to know where you stand on all the big issues - the death penalty, animal testing, abortion, gay marriage - and to be able to present your argument with clarity.

And of course, being an opinionated person, I think it's important for people to have the same stance as me, otherwise I will argue with them. But at some point in my late twenties, I started to tire of all the ranting. I have started to feel that I would far rather my dinners were punctuated with interesting stories and witticisms than people getting purple in the face and thumping the table.

I have also started to realise that most of the clearly misguided people who hold different opinions from my own are not likely to change them, no matter how much I browbeat them. So now, the few times when my social circle ends up overlapping with some idiot who makes a racial, misogynist or **** slur at the dinner table, instead of taking him to task and embarrassing everyone else, I signal my disapproval with a thin-lipped closed mouth and talk to someone else instead.

I started to wonder if perhaps there was something wrong with me, if I was slipping into complacency. Women have the vote because people were willing to chain themselves to benches. South Africa has democracy because people cared enough to blow things up. Sometimes those who are most fervent are making a huge and positive change in the world, even if their methods are objectionable.

Going too far

In the movie The Last Supper, six friends murdered those people who they felt the world would be better without. When their final nemesis - a far-right conservative - came for dinner, and the poison was prepared, they were surprised to discover that his philosophy was to make as much noise as possible about certain issues, so that the extreme liberals would have a counterpoint, and society would continue along its middle-of-the-road path.

I admire his viewpoint, if not his politics, but there's another viewpoint that I have recently internalised, which more comfortably supports my world view: Paul Saffo, director of the Institute for the Future says that those people that are most effective are those with strong opinions, lightly held.

His point is twofold - that we should have strong opinions is important, but we should also be open to other points of view. And when people disagree, we should be accepting of their rights to a different opinion, present our own clearly, but leave it at that, without disrupting the dinner table too much.

And so, without getting too het up, but almost certain of attracting fervent response, I state that Christianity is a religion of tolerance and one of its major tenets is "judge not, lest ye be judged", and people who feel that homosexuality is an abomination are welcome to refrain from homosexual acts, quietly and in the sanctity of their own homes, while the more tolerant among us roam the streets.

  • Georgina Guedes is a freelance journalist. Some of her best friends are homosexuals.

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      Maybe I have a lot to learn...
    24/07/2008 13:00
    At 26 there I certain things I can't stand: racists, whingers, homophobes and happy-clappers. If I'm at a dinner table and something blurts out some racist rubbish, or moans about the state of the country, makes an intolerable comment about some gay dude, or tells me about Jesus - I get up, call them a fool, and promptly leave. - Ryan Matthews
     
      Its great to know we are not alone.
    24/07/2008 13:08
    I really can relate to your article. Your friends sound like my friends. It gets heated really quickly, but once over, it is well and truly over. I love to debate/argue. As for the homosexual abomination: From a logic and reason point of view, intolerance is based on fear and ignorance! - Tim
     
      Are you so sure?
    24/07/2008 13:21
    To quote you, "..that most of the clearly misguided people..." You must really think you are something special if you believe that anyone who differs with your opinion is misguided. Please drop the holier than thou attitude!! - Werner
     
      a light jab?
    24/07/2008 13:24
    Could this be a subtle response to Jon "rent-a-rant" Qwelane's last article? Which interestingly enough has disappeared? I'll miss that misinformed moron... - tommo
     
      Religion is mostly to blame
    24/07/2008 13:30
    Since the beginning of recorded history more people have died in the name of religion than most other causes. Its a sad state of affairs when people kill others in the name of God. It must surely make Him cry when people misrepresent Him as is always the case. Religion is the main cause of intolerance, bigotry, racism and the like. Can anyone prove me wrong? - Clinton
     
      I hate sensitive people
    24/07/2008 13:34
    I love to be as controversial as possible, and I even go to great lengths to offend, to spark reaction. And the idiots are the ones who get offended too easily. These people irritate me. I love it when a person disagrees with me, but when some ppl cannot tolerate other?s opinions, they are the ones that need to be kicked out the house/restaurant/. And any person that disagrees with this..well youre an idiot!! - Soon-to be Aussie
     
      Judge not, lest ye be judged
    24/07/2008 13:44
    Some people have an opinion about everything, they wish to comment on issues they no little or nothing about. You find a lot of them on this forum. If I am not clued up on something, I would rather shut up then look like a fool. I also hate people who try and change your perception so that it is in line with theirs. There is a difference between an argument and a debate. - Rish
     
      good article
    24/07/2008 13:49
    like you, i learnt quite a while ago to accept and understand different opinions.what really bugs me are those people who think only their point of view is what matters. the bigoted type.a great debate is always good, but if it becomes bigoted, i get really pissed off! - the prophet
     
      When you hit your 30s
    24/07/2008 13:58
    you are more tolerant. and can realise that while it may not be right to you, opinions are just that: opinions. Which is why I can now sit back and read your pretentious articles with bemusement - Jenny
     
      Democracy? SA? Haaaaa ha ha ha !
    24/07/2008 14:13
    "South Africa has democracy because people cared enough to blow things up". So we have democracy, do we Georgina? It would appear that you may be a member of the group of "clearly misguided" people to whom you have referred if you believe that we have democracy. - Cynical
     
      @Ryan Matthews
    24/07/2008 14:15
    It takes a bigger fool to see another - marius
     
      Debate vs Name calling
    24/07/2008 14:19
    Most of what you say is true. One cannot change the world by oneself, but one can and should express opinions. If nothing else, it may change someone elses (or your own) warped ideas for the better. What I cannot stand is people calling those who differ from them idiots, morons, stupid etc. Sure sign of ones own weakness and immaturity. I do not engage in any debate with such like, simply because it serves no purpose. - TB
     
      Funny
    24/07/2008 14:30
    Your article is all about tolerance, and yet there are so many comments about getting angry / upset / insulting with small-minded people. Isn't that more of the same problem? Or are we to force open-mindedness on those who differ from us? There *are* things that we should not tolerate, like rape, but listening to someone speak their mind is not among them - no matter how narrow-minded they are. Pity them, for they cannot see. - Amused
     
      So Sanctimonious!
    24/07/2008 14:45
    Ag, you will get older and wiser. Age and children, the great levellers. I read your article with bemusement and wondered if I was ever like that. Just in case you did not get it, the world neither cares what you think nor heeds your pseudo intellectual debates. You are not going to change the world with your moralising, save it for when you have children!!. - johnson
     
      The ONLY way to get the best of an argument
    24/07/2008 14:45
    The only way to get the best of an argument is to avoid it. You can't win an argument because even if you win, you lose. You have made your opponent feel inferior. You have hurt his pride. He will resent your triumph. A man convinced against his will - Is of the same opinion still. [Excerpt from Dale Carnegie] - PierreS
     
      Yes Marius,
    24/07/2008 14:51
    I often feel like a doos when I behave like that, but I'm not going to be preached to by some fire-breathing racist homophobe. Rather remove myself than have to forcibly remove them. - Ryan Matthews
     
      Youth vs Age
    24/07/2008 14:52
    Debating 'methods' are like age. Perhaps the following will say it all: Young and old bull feeding. Cows walk past. Young Bull: "lets run there and 'have' one. Old Bull: 'Lets walk and have them all'. Thats live. Age gracefully and learn. - SM
     
      @Ryan Matthews
    24/07/2008 14:57
    I'll be sure to ask your view of permissable subjects to discuss should I ever find myself in your exhalted company lest I be called a fool, lose my cool and take your head off before I can regain self-control. Let's face it Ryan - at 26 you're only just out of your nappies and shouldn't be having an opinion on anything yet since you haven't experienced anything of significance yet. - Tuffy
     
      Good point
    24/07/2008 15:02
    Don't agree with some of your points, but a good read. - Charl
     
      Nearly there..
    24/07/2008 15:04
    Congratulations to Georgina, this time - not too many "I"'s in the article. Keep it up. Still room for improvement, but credit where it's due. - Steve
     
      Good article
    24/07/2008 15:18
    Just a pity there are always readers who don't get the essence of certain articles; the tongue-in-cheeck approach of this article is great. - Tuffy
     
      Tuffy, my point exactly...
    24/07/2008 15:24
    Give me four more years to throw my toys. Once I'm 30 and have accepted my life as nothing more than a day-to-day grind until the day I peg - then I will learn to tolerate racial slurs as nothing more than some person expressing their opinion. Nice one buddy. - Ryan Matthews
     
      @Ryan Matthews - its not going to be four years for you.
    24/07/2008 15:53
    I'm afraid there isn't some miraculous growth spurt in the brain at the age of 30. Maturity does not necessarily happen with age, it happens with the experience of life. Facing challenges and dealing with them over and over until you get it right. With your bright comments I think its going to be a whole longer than anothe four years for you to get there - sorry buddy. You desperately need some life experience. - Karen
     
         
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